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What if, in the end, you have to choose between Trump and Bernie Sanders? Who do you pick?
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 444 of 444Achilles sez: "66% of the federal budget is a check to an individual."
Yeah, but WHICH individual??
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My first 400-buster! Glad I jumped the line.
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@Phidippus:
Really? Do you really think that? Where do you think the "entire structure of Denmark's government" came from? Was it not from the Danes?
Sorry, that was a catastrophic typo. It should have read "Somalians would not start acting like Danes."
Thanks for the backup, Gahrie.
I think Sanders fear is a bit overrated when it's probable that even if he won the Presidency, he'd have a hard time getting much done because not many people really like him. Outside of AOC and the grrl squad, his House and Senate support has to be pretty soft. Of course, that support could harden over time.
Somebody needs to take an economics class but I'm not sure there are any more not taught by Marxists.
You are an idiot or a liar, or maybe both. Being from Chicago, you should know that the University of Chicago is so famous for conservative economics it has an entire fucking school of thought named after it (13 Nobel prizes). Economics departments at universities in this country are still overall quite conservative.
Of course, no one should expect you to be honest.
Somebody needs to take an economics class but I'm not sure there are any more not taught by Marxists.
You are an idiot or a liar, or maybe both. Being from Chicago, you should know that the University of Chicago is so famous for conservative economics it has an entire fucking school of thought named after it (13 Nobel prizes). Economics departments at universities in this country are still overall quite conservative.
Got a link?
As "Wall Street Pete" alluded recently, this notion of a Berno executive branch not going rogue police state-like after Obama era is "fresh" thinking!
Just think what his FBI, DOJ and CIA etc might look like.
Fresh!
Got a link?
Really?! I'm not going to give you a link, because I think you are not stupid, just deliberately being contrary.
This is as ridiculous as claiming that Berkeley is not liberal.
This is as ridiculous as claiming that Berkeley is not liberal.
I never said that. Berk been lib for decades.
As "Wall Street Pete" alluded recently, this notion of a Berno executive branch not going rogue police state-like after Obama era is "fresh" thinking!
Just think what his FBI, DOJ and CIA etc might look like.
Fresh!
I guess Nunes was on Fox News -the horror- and said those attorneys who left over the Stone case is just the beginning. They’re going to start peeling back the onion and there will be more leaving.
And then there’s this which I posted yesterday from Rantburg:
Government prosecutor Joycelyn Ballantine filed an unexpected motion Sunday in the case against Michael Flynn for the express purpose of seeking to protect Flynn’s former defense team.
Yes, it’s true and in the prosecutor’s own words: Government prosecutors said in their filing they want “to make certain and clear that counsel [Covington & Burling] may take the necessary steps to vindicate their public reputation by addressing and defending against the defendant’s claims of ineffective assistance of counsel, and equally to vindicate the integrity of this Court’s previous proceedings, the government asks this court to issue the attached proposed order.”...
Also according to Rantburg, there were a Iranians using fake Israeli passports, while they had Iranian passports, trying to fly from Ecuador to Spain.
J. Farmer @ 6:45 PM: Noted, with relief.
History will be kind to Obama - because the people in charge of "history" are the ones narrating the story.
just ignore this.
Freder Frederson said...Economics departments at universities in this country are still overall quite conservative.
This is false. Economics departments are about 60-40 left-right (including libertarian). But left wingers are so used to complete domination politically that even a material but distinct minority is so radically different they mark Economics as different.
Of course, no one should expect you to be honest.
I wouldn't be so rude as to say Freder is not honest though, he's just too stupid to understand his own inability to recognize reality.
On the whole, I've observed over the past 10 years, she continually finds her readers and commenters to be delightful, interesting, hilarious and lovable. Many are very very special to her.
Yes, yes I am. But hopefully, not in a special short bus sort of way...
Which of Sanders policies, if implemented, will result in the US turning into Venezuela?
State ownership of the means of production. And you can't say that's not a Bernie policy. He calls himself a Socialist, and that is the definition of socialism.
Bernie is not some naive college sophomore. He knows very well what the definition of socialism is. And so do you, J. Farmer.
Here is what a vote for Bernie will get ya.
But don't worry - history will be kind no matter how shitty that reality is.
I didn’t vote for Trump in ‘16 (I didn’t vote for any Presidential candidate).
I told myself some time ago that if Sanders was the Dem nominee I would vote for Trump. Sanders is our American Jeremy Corbin. He MUST. Be stopped.
Interestingly I find him a likable (if a bit humourly)
Abstinence, the first choice.
purplepenquin said...
If video had come out of Trump paid campaign staff pushing "white nationalist" "send the Mexicans home, doesn't matter how long they've been here, or if they're US Citizens" drivel, the staff member would have been fired.
Does it HAVE to be video? A link was just provided about paid campaign staff for Trump posting racist crap on their social media. Are you sure the folks who did that were fired? 'cause the link provided by J. Farmer didn't say they were...
Well, let's start with the basics: was it actually racist? Or just things the Left doesn't like?
Of course, no one should expect you to be honest.
Field Marshall Freder, no one expects you to be intelligent,. Thanks for the laugh, though.
Bernie will help this nation eat the seed corn a little more quickly.
The problem is not that he will bankrupt the country immediately or on some definitive timeline.
But it's quite likely that a Parks & Recreation-type show will laud American prosperity just a few years before the bottom falls out.
Anybody who does not understand this natural phenomenon - the one from which the Scandinavian countries withdrew when the costs of their brand of Collectivism became obvious - is a damned fool.
@Jeff:
Bernie is not some naive college sophomore. He knows very well what the definition of socialism is. And so do you, J. Farmer.
Here's the problem. There is no real single definition of "socialism." It is a big concept that encompasses a variety of different currents and thoughts. John Dewey makes a similar case about "liberalism" in his book Liberalism and Social Action. The fact that the Workers Party of Korea and the British Labour Party can both be described as "socialist" tells you everything you need to know about the elasticity of the term.
Even though it is unlikely (though not entirely unthinkable) that I will vote for Sanders in the coming election, here's why I like him: the Establishment hates him. It's an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend kind of situation.
@Phil 314:
Interestingly I find him a likable (if a bit humourly)
I do, too. But I have a soft spot for curmudgeonly old fogies.
Except he's also an enemy to you if you think about it.
Except he's also an enemy to you if you think about it.
True, but a temporary alliance with an enemy in the short-term can pay off in the long-term. So, for example, in 2008, I was stuck with Obama and McCain, both awful on immigration. But, since GOP Inc was itching to pass an amnesty, I figured the best way to prevent it would be to have Obama in the White House and a Republican-controlled Congress causing gridlock and keeping "comprehensive immigration reform" (ie amnesty) from getting done.
Trump is now polling at 91% among the Althousians.
Fidel Castro, Ayatollah Khomeini and Kim Il Sung might have all been a bit jealous.
@Chuck:
Trump is now polling at 91% among the Althousians.
Unsurprising given that commenters are primarily right-of-center types.
Fidel Castro, Ayatollah Khomeini and Kim Il Sung might have all been a bit jealous
I guess you don't get how condescending that statement is. And that's me saying this.
Trump is now polling at 91% among the Althousians.
You simply can't help yourself can you? That 91% isn't an approval rating, or a support rating. It is the results of a choice between Trump and Sanders...and that's all it is. In a better world, Trump would have 100% in this poll.
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I guess you don't get how condescending that statement is. And that's me saying this.
It’s more condescending than I think you can even imagine. And that is me saying this.
Trump is now polling at 91% among the Althousians.
Unsurprising given that commenters are primarily right-of-center types.
Over 2700 votes. Where they all come from? I'll bet 300 comment threads have less that 80 people commenting. Lots of lurkers Trump supporters, or JAC facebook link contributing?
Here's the problem. There is no real single definition of "socialism."
Yes there is, the standard definition is government ownership of the means of production. That's been the standard definition of socialism for over a century.
But even if there were some gray area here, the relevant question in this discussion is "What does Bernie Sanders think is the definition of socialism?"
And from his advocacy over the last five decades, it's pretty clear that Bernie's definition of socialism is the doctrinaire, standard definition. Bernie's never had a bad thing to say about socialist economies, like any good Communist, he blames the economic problems of socialist countries on either U.S. "oppression" or capitalist exploitation, not on the poor incentives created by state ownership. Even the contrast between the performance of privately-owned businesses vs state-owned enterprises in places like China does not make an impression on Sanders. He's not playing at being a socialist. He's been at this for a long time and knows exactly what he's about.
Fidel Castro, Ayatollah Khomeini and Kim Il Sung might have all been a bit jealous
Yep, their support comes from threat of death or incarceration. Trump's support comes from love of America.
Bulwark making a case for Sanders, eh? Pathetic.
Even though it is unlikely (though not entirely unthinkable) that I will vote for Sanders in the coming election, here's why I like him: the Establishment hates him.
Farmer, you're being ridiculous. The Establishment hates a lot of people. David Duke, for example. Is that a reason to vote for him?
I will almost certainly vote for Trump. Judges alone are a good enough reason. Klobuchar might not be the disaster as President that some of the others would be, but she'll appoint pretty much the same judges that the other Dems would appoint.
Oh, my, my. What a coincidence.Policraticus posted this comment at the poll the same time Chuck made his comment here. Busted! Chuck a convert .
Posted by Policraticus 23 minutes ago. From: (US) Report Abuse
I HATED Trump and I DESPISED Clinton.
So, in 2016 I didn’t vote for president.
I can’t say that I am now a Trump fan. He hasn’t converted me. But he hasn’t been a total disaster as a president, despite the relentless efforts of the Democrats and the Media to cast him as such. Bernie is an actual, unrepentant, earnest socialist, which is really saying something when you consider the history of the 20th C. So, yeah, I’ll hold my nose and vote Trump.
@Chuck, there are a lot of successful, accomplished people commenting here and presumably voting in that poll. What have you got to be condescending about?
FullMoon said...
“Fidel Castro, Ayatollah Khomeini and Kim Il Sung might have all been a bit jealous”
Yep, their support comes from threat of death or incarceration. Trump's support comes from love of America.
Bulwark making a case for Sanders, eh? Pathetic.
So I think that of the 43% who can actually tolerate Trump, most of them just hate Barack Obama, the New York Times, NPR and Yale University. More than anything. There’s a small batch of America-lovers. Many more who really hated the idea that Trump was ever their party’s nominee.
@Jeff:
Farmer, you're being ridiculous. The Establishment hates a lot of people. David Duke, for example. Is that a reason to vote for him?
Sure! Though I said that's "why I like him," not why you should vote for him.
I will almost certainly vote for Trump. Judges alone are a good enough reason. Klobuchar might not be the disaster as President that some of the others would be, but she'll appoint pretty much the same judges that the other Dems would appoint.
Any progress on judges will be undone by mass immigration anyway.
Trump vs Sanders is a bit like asking whether you'd rather drive off a cliff in a Porsche or a Pinto. Well, sure, I guess a Porsche. But we're still going off a cliff.
I get your son's point about 'legitimizing the lowest common denominator' of politicians. And its a valid point. But, I think legitimizing the lowest common denominator of ideologies (socialism) is far far more dangerous. Trump is ultimately temporary. He's gone in 2025 at the latest (and remember, he's no spring chicken). He doesn't (currently) have any proposals that would be multi-generational in impact and create such an embedded bureaucracy that rolling it back will prove impossible. Basically all of Sanders proposals would last for decades (probably forever if FDR or LBJ is anything to go by) and they are truly damaging to the fundamental freedoms of this nation. This isn't a choice between two terrible people with controversial but ultimately mainstream-ish ideas like what we had in 2016. Its a choice between a gross and terrible person and a gross and terrible ideology. I voted libertarian in 2016 and felt fine doing so. But, Sanders is dangerous in all the ways liberals THINK Trump is (and many conservatives mistakenly thought Hillary was in 2016).
So I think that of the 43% who can actually tolerate Trump, most of them just hate Barack Obama, the New York Times, NPR and Yale University. More than anything. There’s a small batch of America-lovers. Many more who really hated the idea that Trump was ever their party’s nominee.
I must be overly tired as am having difficulty deciphering that comment.
Anyway, fortuitous that most of those haters, and other anti-trumpists,appreciating and have evolved into supporting Trump due to his remarkably numerous , although unexpected , accomplishments.
What the fucking fuck, Chuck!
Maybe this isn't the blog for ya.
Anybody watch Lewandowski on Fox breaking down Iowa and N.H.? Fantastic. Insightful.Seriously interesting as to the depth of his knowledge and ability to explain all in minute detail. The guy is amazing, some kind of political savant.
I Callahan,
Social Security was SOLD as a retirement account - you put money in, and when you retire, you get it back.
FIFY.
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purplepenquin said...
Does it HAVE to be video? A link was just provided about paid campaign staff for Trump posting racist crap on their social media. Are you sure the folks who did that were fired? 'cause the link provided by J. Farmer didn't say they were...
Well, let's start with the basics: was it actually racist? Or just things the Left doesn't like?
No link, no answer. So I guess it was "racist" rather than racist
Bernie or Trump. Let's see. What would Bernie do? Well. Lets look at what the last progressive did while in office. President Obama. He weaponized the federal agencies to go after his political enemies. What has Trump done? Has he weaponized federal agencies? Why. No. He hasn't. In fact he has done a lot to strip them of their arbitrary power. That's a good thing.
Bernie would forgive college loan debt. Some Fulbright scholar above said that it wouldn't make any difference since that money would be used for other things. This is an economic fallacy. The lenders of the money could have used the money for other things too. More mportant things than someones poor life choices.
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