February 16, 2020

"The only outrage here is that a man who has lived a long life had to have his child consulted about whether he can 'have' contraception."

"Well, that and the urge to 'dry heave' simply because you've learned he's sexually active. There is a reason the elderly are fed up with the way they are treated. This was disturbing on multiple levels. None of them the ones the author intended."

That's the top-rated comment (among lots of other similar comments) on the NYT column "Having ‘The Talk’ With My 80-Something Dad/I was not prepared for the phone call from my father’s skilled nursing facility asking for permission to provide him contraceptives" by Stacey Zapalac.

"Contraceptives" is the wrong word. We're talking about condoms to protect from STDs.

The headline is also confusing for using the term "the talk" — especially with an illustration indicating that the father is black. I'm used to seeing the term "the talk" referring to black parents explaining to their child how to interact with the police.

Anyway, I don't think I've ever read a NYT column that got such a severe takedown in the comments. I read the column and went to the comments looking for this attack and was satisfied to see it.

From the column: "I always knew my dad was a needy man.... ... I informed the social worker my father was not to be given protection or conjugal visit privileges until I had an opportunity to discuss this matter with him.... [I]t is... cringeworthy to hear your father wants to be sexually active and that I need to have a conversation with him about safe sex."

What a terrible attitude! How ignorant it is about the feelings of older people. And what an invasion of privacy to tell this story in the NYT. I can't understand why the NYT published it — to see it lambasted?

56 comments:

Yancey Ward said...

"I can't understand why the NYT published it — to see it lambasted?"

Really?

Hari said...
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FleetUSA said...

Maybe the dad should ask for Viagra too.

The author's terminology begs for derision.

Hari said...

Biden,Sanders, and Bloomberg will all be 80-something in the next four years.

Narr said...

Author sounds like a little Pavlik Morozov to me.

Narr
He's not half the man his father is

Sebastian said...

"How ignorant it is about the feelings of older people."

But the cited text mainly referred to feelings about ignorance.

"And what an invasion of privacy to tell this story in the NYT."

Indeed. But then, most writers are cruel that way.

tcrosse said...

Does anyone call them prophylactics any more?

Ralph L said...

There was a fuss about STDs in nursing homes not long ago.

Does he have dementia (then The Talk is pointless)? What has he been doing the last few decades?

Narayanan said...

Would it not be Hailed as Great American Short Story if presentation had been faux-fictional
....
By the same community on NY Times

Bay Area Guy said...

Whenever the NYT writes about sex it literally drains the [delete] outta my [delete].

If Dean Baquet wants to boost circulation, they need to replace these writers with Laslo Spatula.

Narayanan said...

And recommended/required reading Text.!

The Minnow Wrangler said...

This is terrible! Just because someone is elderly doesn't mean they don't have sexual feelings and should be deprived of physical relationships.

I realize it's "icky" to think about older people having sex and enjoying it but if it gives them pleasure and comfort why is it anyone else's business? It's not like they are going to post a sex video on YouTube.

Ken B said...

I'd say the dad should have used a condom long ago.

Ken B said...

I collect Vyshinsky references. I give Narr my thanks and half a point for the Pavel Morozov reference.

gilbar said...

"Contraceptives" is the wrong word. We're talking about condoms to protect from STDs.

as tcrosse said, the word we're looking for is: prophylactics

The Minnow Wrangler said...

Bay Area Guy, "boost circulation" that is what the Viagra is for!

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Narr said...

Author sounds like a little Pavlik Morozov to me.

Hey! Give him a break! He's all tired out from spending a couple of hours lamely punching the back of someone's seat!

Temujin said...

We're in the midst of an elite class that does not like children or seniors. Just themselves. Just their youngish to middle aged selves. They will one day be seniors (if they are lucky to live to that point) and they will find that they still get horny, just like they have their entire lives. God help them.

Leland said...

I can't understand why the author, who has issues with just saying "yes" to the medical professionals, has to write a story for public consumption about his father having sex. But I fully understand why the NYT would publish such a story.

Mark said...

why is it anyone else's business?

Well, it certainly is not mine. Or anyone else's here.

etbass said...

Clicks.

something that Hardin would say but he's not here yet

Fernandinande said...

She's mad at Dad.

Narr said...

"Precautions", that's the ticket! One of my wife's friends was manager of an elder-care facility once, and told us she learned the value of knocking on doors the hard way--

She barged into a room to give an old gentleman his medication and found him masturbating the other old gentleman.

Narr
Wankers gonna wank

mezzrow said...

We're in the midst of an elite class that does not like children or seniors.

elite class: "just die, already..."

Ron Winkleheimer said...

On an episode of "Everybody Loves Raymond" it somehow comes out that Ray's elderly parents are having sex three times a week. This makes Raymond, his brother, and their spouses feel somewhat inadequate because they are only having sex once a week, at most. Of course the parents are retired and don't have young children living at home.

In any event, I agree with the professor. And the commentator at the NYT. It is nobody's business except the gentleman and his partner.

Bay Area Guy said...

If I wrote for the NYT, I woulda figured out a way to integrate 80-year old Nancy Pelosi into the article. She could be the Prom Queen at Leisure World...

rcocean said...

Nobody wants to hear or read about "old person sex". Go to porn site. you'll see every type of perversion and sexual activity. Even "Japanese midgets having anal sex". Except you won't see the category: "Old people sex". Because no one wants to see it.

So, who's the target audience for this article? Older Bourgeois women - The 50 shades of Grey crowd?

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Get up here, fatboy! Quickly! Move it up! Move it up, Pyle! Move it up! You climb obstacles like old people ****. Do you know that, Private Pyle? Get up here! You're too slow!" - Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket

Anonymous said...

This sort of thing is the inevitable consequence of younger people addressing older people by their first names.

rhhardin said...

Why doesn't he just order condoms on Amazon.

Freeman Hunt said...

"I have muddled memories of my parents’ closed-door arguments about my father’s extracurricular activities with other women."

Why would the author write about this? The genesis is here.

Francisco D said...

I suppose that everyone feels a certain uneasiness when contemplating their parents having sex at any age.

However, when they get into their 80's, it is something to celebrate. It's not like we stop living our lives when we age.

hiawatha biscayne said...

rubberjohnnies is the correct term, i believe. or jimmies.

Biff said...

Back when there was a big hullaballoo about the Ta-Nehisi Coates-style "Talk" about how to behave around the police, I remembered how my dad gave me almost the exact same talk when I was a kid, but instead of saying I'd be shot because of my skin color, he told me I'd be shot because I was acting like a fool and that I'd deserve it. (I look vaguely Scandinavian.)

YoungHegelian said...

"Waddya you young whippersnappers know about fuckin'? Back in my day, we couldn't afford rubbers, so we just cut up tire inner tubes! Or, we just went bareback! And ya know what, goddammit? WE LIKED IT!"

The Godfather said...

Andy Griffith's final (? I think) movie was about sex in an old folks home. As I recall, Viagra was involved. The movie was in favor of old folks sex. I don't think it did well at the box office.

Beasts of England said...

If I’m still knockin’ it out into my eighties, I’d like it to be reported in the newspaper. Really not seeing the problem here... You go, Gramps!!

Wince said...

Maybe I'm slow, but I finally got the up-take on that hearing aid TV ad where the daughter whispers "Did you bring the condoms?" to her newlywed husband.

Her elderly father with hearing aids helps the young man by saying, "she's asking you whether you brought condoms."

The punch line is at the end when the couple go into the first floor guest room of the darkened living space.

The father, still in his chair, is seen taking out his hearing aids because he doesn't want to hear them banging!

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/Zzf4/eargo-overheard

FullMoon said...

Don't know about you guys, but every once in awhile, I actually read the story Althouse links to. Not always, just occasionally, like, you know, when something doesn't seem quite right.
Anyway, author is a comedy writer. She might have made it up, for fun?
On the other hand, hope not, for the old guys sake..

Stacey Zapalac (@smzapalac) is a humor writer and satirist based in Chicago, IL tackling topics such as politics, family dynamics, and why the heck Eve depicted with a belly button if she and Adam were the first humans?


She is a graduate of The Second City Satire Writing Program and her work is featured by McSweeney's Internet Tendency, The Second City Network, The Girlfriend by AARP, The Belladonna Comedy, and many more.

Bay Area Guy said...

Bob Dole used so much Viagra that his right arm started to work.

FullMoon said...

"Waddya you young whippersnappers know about fuckin'? Back in my day, we couldn't afford rubbers, so we just cut up tire inner tubes!

With a rusty straight razor..

Wince said...

With a rusty straight razor...

"That's the way it was, and we liked it."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut3jqRlElOM

(Dana Carvey at one of his funniest.)

Richard Dolan said...

Kent Haruf, Our Souls At Night. Short novel looking at a similar thing, and doing it far better than this NYT writer.

Ann Althouse said...

“ Stacey Zapalac (@smzapalac) is a humor writer and satirist...”

It’s presented as true and is in the newspaper.

If it is somehow a satire, it’s only funny if you think of the author as the butt of her own joke. I guess that could work...

FullMoon said...
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FullMoon said...

"If it is somehow a satire, it’s only funny if you think of the author as the butt of her own joke. "


Self deprecating humor. And flattering to her dad, who is portrayed as so attractive and virile in his eighties to be hooking up repeatedly.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

A friend who works in a nursing home told me that the elderly men there who are still mentally alert and spry have quite an advantage, since the widows far outnumber the widowers. They receive a lot of female attention and some of them become real "playas' among the Geritol set. I suppose that's something to look forward to, if you're a man. I'm a woman and I find it rather depressing to think that at the end of my life, I might once again find myself in the same situation I was in when I was 16 - competing with other females to get the attention of some guy.

veni vidi vici said...

So the author of the article has a Jesus complex.

"I need to lecture my FATHER on how to have sex and its consequences" -- why, because you were immaculately conceived, you arrogant pile?

Dad ought to respond with, "Yes kid; I know the consequences can be devastating: I've been reminded of and had to live with them every day that you've been in my life. Now fuck off and let me get some action over here in this place you've exiled me to."

YoungHegelian said...

"I need to lecture my FATHER on how to have sex and its consequences"

Like, what? The ol' geezer's gonna end up dead a month sooner or sumthin'?!

I'm sorry, but if you're a guy, there are a lot worse ways to die than expiring in the saddle, so as to speak.

Not a lot of fun for yer date, but, hey...

FullMoon said...

Maury says: "Stacey, DNA results say,he is not your father"

Narr said...

No joke about the competition (Olympic CLass!) of old ladies for the attention of old men in those places. My mother spent a lot of time in rehab in her last five years or so and it was hysterically (hehe) funny to see how some of those old dollies would paint and primp themselves up at dinner time when a new guy arrived.

So this 90 y.o. guy lives in the nursing home and has a daily assignation with one of the lady residents. They meet every day on a secluded bench where he pulls his pecker out and she holds it. They just sit there for a while and then go about their business.

That goes on for about three months when the old lady strolls out for the daily and finds him sitting with another woman, a newcomer. She's jealous of course and yells out at him, "You twotiming bastard! What's she got that I haven't got?"

"Parkinson's."

Narr
I never promised good taste

Steven said...

The author should be dragged into the street and stoned to death. The editors who ran the piece should be branded with the words "SHUN ME" on their face (plus a QR code so people can look up their specific crime on the web). And the New York Times should be forcibly dissolved, the dispossessed stockholders permanently prohibited from owning any shares in any other publisher ever on pain of execution.

Then this sort of shit wouldn't happen again.

Leland said...

"I need to lecture my FATHER on how to have sex and its consequences"

Maybe she's worried Dad will knock-up one of the staff and cut her share of the inheritance.

Narayanan said...

Stacey is published in The Girlfriend by AARP

jaed said...

I have so many questions to which I am not at all sure I wish to know the answers.

Questions such as:

- Why is a social worker calling his relatives and disclosing highly personal information to them?

- Why do relatives need to give their permission before this man is allowed to have sex?

- Why am I using the verb "allowed" in relation to consensual sexual relationships of a grown man? Is "skilled nursing facility" being used as a euphemism for "prison", or what?

- Why does his daughter(!) feel she needs to "talk" with him? And why is her attitude one of discouraging him to use condoms during sex? And WHY ON EARTH does she think this is any of her business in the first place?

Finally:

- Why do I get the unsettling feeling from the first sentence that her basic attitude toward her father is "Oh, just die already"?

NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...

The only way I see this as an issue would be if father were senile. Then I get it. I'd still wonder why the hell the home was bothering me about something I have zero control over. Either give out the condoms or lock everyone in their room at night.

Otherwise, consenting adults, etc. If it were my parent and some outraged social worker called, I'd tell them to take it up with Dad. None of my business. Then I'd laugh.