“I’ve seen the most beautiful fields, farms, fields — most gorgeous things you’ve ever seen, and then you have these ugly things going up,” he said of the wind turbines. “And you know what they don’t tell you about windmills? After 10 years, they look like hell.”There's a lot of laughing at Trump for saying things like that, but I think WaPo and other Democrats know that he's talking about the real-life experience of ordinary people who can't always be thinking about the climate of the distant future. You know they have a world — right? — a world now that they have to live in, with dishwashers and toilets and lightbulbs and straws.
The broad nostalgia encapsulated in Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan has become increasingly specific as he has zeroed in on consumer issues such as energy-efficient appliances, carbon-reducing fuel standards and plastic straw bans. Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence, the president has castigated Democrats’ environmental agenda as unworkable and counterproductive...
Trump has said he wants to campaign heavily against the liberal Green New Deal proposal, pledging to “rip that sucker” just two months before the election....
“I know windmills very much,” Trump said in his Saturday speech. “I’ve studied it better than anybody I know.... You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe...”
December 24, 2019
"Trump attacks on wind turbines, low-flow toilets and LED lightbulbs set up key campaign clash with Democrats."
The Washington Post notices.
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They're negotiating a series of commercials with Swalwell...and trying to buy license to rewrite "Hurt so good".
at first, I didn’t really like the term “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” I didn’t. But it is — it’s true. People actually go see psychiatrists.
I can tell you from professional experience that ALL of my depressed patients are Trump haters, 18 months into his term. One angry lady said that she wanted "a bullet put through his forehead." It started right after he was elected and ended when I retired 18 months ago. My colleagues strongly validated those hatreds because they felt the same way.
These folks tended to believe EVERYTHING they heard that was bad about Trump. He served a purpose in their lives because he was the more acceptable object of their anger.
Rusty said...
Whoa! You got the DeLux model. Menards has em for eight bucks.
Of course! A toilet is the one thing nobody should skimp on!
>> as higher priced models are no more durable or reliable than the cheaper ones <<
I heard the same advice last time I bought a laser printer. And the cheap version I bought was not as good as its previous iteration.
Bushman:
Planned obsolescence. Another sale. More profits. Crony capitalism.
"I can tell you from professional experience that ALL of my depressed patients are Trump haters, 18 months into his term. One angry lady said that she wanted "a bullet put through his forehead." It started right after he was elected and ended when I retired 18 months ago. My colleagues strongly validated those hatreds because they felt the same way."
What the TDS agitators have done to this country is reprehensible. It will have far-reaching consequences.
Part of the problem is our betters have traded in the Judeo-Christian deity of their ancestors for Gaia. And that is a one way ticket to autocracy. They have to resort to heavy handed government action because it is their environment that we lessers are threatening with our senseless actions. Except, of course, like any religion, they have their fair share, probably many more than their fair share, of charlatans and rent seekers. And they are they really dangerous ones, as they skim off ever larger shares of world wide GDP.
Windmills... A blight on the landscape in my opinion.
The Green blight, where solutions are burdens when the clean, green, renewable drivers are forcings outside the operational range of the Green converters, and, of course, the environmental impact, which has been exempted through social inoculation and political myths.
LEDs aren't bad. Pretty nice, actually. They make great cool stage lighting too.
It's the CFL bulbs that were awful.
It's the bad aftertaste from the forced normalization of the latter, a suboptimal choice in many consumer contexts, that lingers and taints perception of the former. Also, there are practical, both functional and aesthetic, uses for heat generating light bulbs in some limited applications and contexts.
low-flow toilets
Dual-flow toilets, hybrids vehicles, etc. are invariably the better choice. Toilets have also improved through designed reduction of turbulent flows. Ideally, they will create separation layers, which will reduce the need for additional forcing. What's good for us is also good for plumbing.
meeting green energy goals, and diversity in their workplace
So, it's to be Green, green, and green.
Diversity or color judgment (e.g. racism, sexism) that denies individual dignity is a progressive condition, one step forward, two steps backward.
Somebody could do a worthwhile service on this blog. Take narcisco's comments, translate them into understandable English, with grammar, punctuation and spelling for the edification of us all. And, while I am thinking of it, produce actual hyperlinks for him.
Part of the problem is our betters have traded in the Judeo-Christian deity of their ancestors for Gaia.
Mortal gods, Twilight faith, a Pro-Choice religion, and progressive liberal ideology.
Planned obsolescence. Another sale. More profits. Crony capitalism.
Planned Products.
Michael K: “I consider lawyers to be made up of people who did not want to take math in college.” Excellent!
There’s a lot I could say about Climate Change Crisis but I’ll settle for asking: when did these geniuses solve the Navier-Stokes equations that fundamentally characterize the climate system? Oh, they didn’t? So their models are just glorified spreadsheets, but cannot resolve features below 100 kilometers or so. And like any such model, the more steps it takes, the more certainly it will depart from “reality.” Their best models are so very good that they can’t even hindcast. But, sure, let’s trust them to tell us how many inches up the beach our great-great-great-children will have to move the beer cooler in 2100.
Good point about the fluctuating load of windmills (and solar). Once their grid contribution gets up to 20-30%, they destabilize the hell out of things. Your “standby” coal/oil/nat gas generator is going to do most of the actual work.
"Somebody could do a worthwhile service on this blog. Take narcisco's comments, translate them into understandable English, with grammar, punctuation and spelling for the edification of us all. And, while I am thinking of it, produce actual hyperlinks for him."
Yeah, but who's got the time (and besides, they'd just be guessing).
etbass: I'm completely happy with narciso's modes of expression. Every comment can be taken countless ways with multiple shades of meaning. He's a genius at instantly ferreting-out information and responding to the comments of others with on-point data.
Wind turbine blades are not recyclable and there are very few land fills which can accept them. Drive I-90 across southern Minnesota and you will see very little of the landscape that is not marred by those horrid white monstrosities. I wonder if any scientists have studied the impact those giant Cuisinart blades are having on the bird population?
“Michael K: “I consider lawyers to be made up of people who did not want to take math in college.” Excellent!”
I will have you know that my undergraduate degree was in mathematics. So there.
Actually, when I was an undergraduate, Mathematics was really the easiest major, if you had decent aptitude. No comps. No GREs. No thesis. Just take and pass enough high level classes. I used to explain some of my abstract match classes as a couple hours of “let’s pretend”. Much more fun than what most of my classmates had to do for their majors. I was tempted by a physics degree instead (my kid got both). But all the stupid lab work turned me away. But it would have been better, long run, for me. Many of the best patent attorneys I know were physics majors. They seem to do a much job at virtualizing and generalizing inventions than most engineers do. I was struck by how hard it seemed EE patent attorneys had to struggle to rise above the connectivity of the circuits inventors brought them. Physics and math majors didn’t seem to have this problem nearly as much.
rcocean said...
"Some of the most boring Historical topics:
The Dreyfus Affair
The Smoot-Hawley tariff
The United Nations
The quemoy and matsu crisis
Anything with Jerry Ford
The Locarno Treaties"
What about the Dingell-Norwood bill?
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But those low flow toilets have ended the drought in California, of which there is currently none.
Now, see, this is the perfect retort to Chuck's maniacal order to read the transcript of Trump's speech.
Without seeing the smile or twinkle in the eye, or hearing the inflection in speech, an obviously humorous comment can mistakenly be taken as idiotically sincere.
No doubt Rabel is a California native experienced in the drought/flood cycle.
the dreyfus affair is important because against all evidence, they blamed a jew for a leak of info to german intelligence, it sparked a rather nasty bout of anti Semitism that carried for nearly 60 years to the Vichy period,
Smoot Hawley, was a miscalibrated response to the expected downturn of 1929, that cut capital flow from Europe, and turned a recession into a great depression,
the united nations, serves no real purpose,
Quemoy and matsu, was the final extension of mao's grasp for Taiwan, it also illustrated the limits of the kuomingtang's defensive capacity,
Gerald ford was the top man, replacement for Nixon, mostly the same Keynesian light and détente policies that led the gop into a cul de sac, until Reagan,
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"He did warn me about a couple of brands to avoid, but otherwise recommended buying the cheapest model I can find with the features I want, as higher priced models are no more durable or reliable than the cheaper ones, and yeah, I'll probably have to replace whatever piece of crap I end up buying in about five years.
"So very green, eh?"
Nope. But, planned obsolescence is oh so capitalistic. Where's the benefit in making appliances that will last decades? That limits the profits to be gained from forced buys of replacement appliances every handful of years.
’That limits the profits to be gained from forced buys of replacement appliances every handful of years.’
I really hate it when the GE stormtroopers break down my door and force me to buy a new blender!! Cookie and I are finally on the same page...
Bloomberg had excons do campaign calls, what could go wrong?
That limits the profits to be gained from forced buys of replacement appliances every handful of years.
Cook, you are 10% right. The light bulb ban, which was put into law by a Michigan rep named Upton. May he rot in hell. The US makers were tired of a low margin product and got the law passed so the bulb manufacturing went to China where lots of politicians had investments (bribes). It zero to do with capitalism and 100% to do with corruption.
correction, actual prison inmates, yes kate upton's uncle is not the sharpest knife in the drawer,
I will have you know that my undergraduate degree was in mathematics. So there.
As the man said to the mule, "That's one." Just kidding but the probability of Howard taking college math is just below an asteroid hitting us next weekend.
I heard the same advice last time I bought a laser printer. And the cheap version I bought was not as good as its previous iteration.
My wife bought me a new inkjet printer for Christmas. I could not get it installed. No manual. The online manual was unintelligible. It seemed like it was supposed to install itself. I gave up and took it back to Costco.
My old laser printer./combo works fine. There was no new driver for Mojave but there seems to be one for Catalina. I didn't care about color anyway.
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Robert Cook
I gather you are not a consumer of appliances. Historically capitalists build sturdy and long lasting dishwashers and washers and dryers. Along came the govt. who fixed these awesome and long lasting machines by making them get dishes not quite clean and clothes not quite clean and clothes not quite dry because the planet. And these new machines, dictated by the govt were less sturdy, more expensive and wore out quicker because they had to work long and hard to produce the not quite clean clothes and dishes. Planned obsolescence was not the program. I have a washing machine and gas dryer that have lasted 20 years. They could not be replaced today at any cost.
Wow, where to start?
My lefty buddies, all 3 of them retired docs, so not IQ dummies, are ardent, one would say religious, believers in CAGW. They are convinced that wind and solar will obsolete fossil fuels soon.
I said "The wind doesn't always blow and the sun is gone half the day at least. Often there is more electricity generated than the grid can tolerate, to make matters even worse."
Them: "That's why they have batteries"
Me: "Uh, no they don't, there is no battery technology that exists to effectively store excess energy from these things."
Them: "Bullshit, fossil will be gone in 20 years max!"
Me: "Don't make any investment decisions based on that."
They actually tried to convince me that CO2 is bad for plants. They believe the old, bogus claim that "97% of scientists agree, the science is settled."
I am convinced that an otherwise bright CAGW believer's intellectual capacity is cut at least in half when speaking/thinking about CAGW, Trump, and Trump voters, and Hilary (whom they consider a victim of false accusations and slurs).
They are impervious to facts, and believe things that aren't true and disbelieve things that are empirically true. There is no trying reason on them, in this mode it is beyond their ken.
As for low flow toilets, we recently lived in gun confiscating New Zealand for 4 years. They ONLY have low flow toilets (Other than "long drop" holes). LITERALLY multiple flushes required routinely, and must keep a plunger and bowl brush handy, even in 7 figure homes. Yet they have more fresh water per capita than anyone but Canada. 4.5 million people in an area 80% the size of California.
Nice people, but loony green, almost ALL of them.
Back to the original topic, you have to be willfully ignorant to believe the "science" these so called "elites" foist on us.
Nope. But, planned obsolescence is oh so capitalistic. Where's the benefit in making appliances that will last decades? That limits the profits to be gained from forced buys of replacement appliances every handful of years.
Yeah, that Soviet brand of lightbulbs worked so much better...
smh...
>> I used to explain some of my abstract match classes as a couple hours of “let’s pretend”. <<
I thought of it as spending years learning to speak a language that few could understand.
My lefty buddies, all 3 of them retired docs, so not IQ dummies,
Psychiatrists, perhaps? If not, definitely not surgeons.
Reminds me of my surgeon joke. 3 docs duck hunting. Internist, surgeon, pathologist. They decide they will take turns shooting. The internist first. Duck comes over, the doc asks the others is that a duck? Worries about shooting a hen. By the time he decides the duck is long gone.
Surgeon has next turn. A duck flies over and BLAM BLAM ! He turns to the pathologist and says, "Make sure that's a duck."
If they aren't psychiatrists, they are internists. Of course, pediatricians are lefties but mostly women now.
He's a cranky old man when he is not worse.
Future generations will look back on Trump’s latest wind turbines rant in awe and horror
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/23/21035132/trump-wind-turbines-turning-point-usa-speech
It is amazing how much ignorance wbfjrr2 wrote when writing about arguing climate change with his doctor buddies. They are right and he is just dead wrong. Dangerously wrong for the future of human life on the planet. Believe the doctors, not your obsolete false propaganda from those with an interest in promoting fossil fuel.
Gary. There are a lot of inefficiencies you have to solve first before you can get rid of fossil fuels. Question. What do we get from fossil fuels besides motive power and heat?
It is amazing how much ignorance wbfjrr2 wrote when writing about arguing climate change with his doctor buddies.
OK, enlighten us with your brilliance. Which of the statements are "ignorant" and why?
For example describe the existing battery banks capable of storing wind or solar when production is high for use later.
Or,perhaps you think the wind ALWAYS blows and the sun is ALWAYS out.
Or do you include the statement about excessive production in the "ignorance"?
Otherwise you are just covering your ears and crying "Nan-nah-nah-nah". But that's OK that is par for the course.
I do love me some LED lights though. Incredible improvement in efficiency and lifespan over incandescent and florescent. The rest of it is what you get when enviroweenies do their version of "operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence".
Gary quotes the science journal VOX. HAHAHAHAHA
When I renovated my old house in Connecticut back in '95, I had to import illegal toilets from Canada. To this day I have no idea what interest the federal government had in what toilets I used in a house with a septic tank and a well. I still have a stash of incandescent bulbs that I purchased before they were outlawed. Yes, the LED lights are good, but I like incandescent light and sometimes I like the heat they generate, too. Leaving it to consumers to decide what they need or want is an excellent idea.
>> They are right and he is just dead wrong. <<
Hats off, gentlemen. A genius.
@Owen wrote: "And like any such model, the more steps it takes, the more certainly it will depart from 'reality.'” The bias/variance tradeoff rears its ugly head.
On the AC equipment changes that supposedly are reducing global warming, the changes in refrigerant are not as safe, higher pressure, and not as reliable.
And the refrigerants keep on getting banned / phased out. So you will be forced to buy a new AC, if your old one needs refrigerant. Or you can buy the refrigerant off eBay...
wbfjrr2 said...
I said "The wind doesn't always blow and the sun is gone half the day at least.
Far worse.
In Madison, the sun shines 4.85 hours per day in summer, 3.28 in winter average 4.29 over the year. About 18% of the day.
" shines"in the sense that it is high enough to generate any solar energy at all.
Miami is 5.62 hours average.
This does not count clouds or overcast. That comes out of the average.
https://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-information/sun-hours-us-map
It is impossible to run even a primitive eindustrial economy on an energy source that is available less than 25% of the time even in perfect ciircumstances.
But that seems like the entire point of the exercise, doesn't it.
John Henry
Trumps comments on low flow shower heads were what attracted me to him as a candidate, back in the primaries. I’ve been disappointed so little has been done on this so far.
I regard a lot of the green requirements as basically a religious ordeal / sacrifice, Like a hair shirt, a way to show your green credentials. What frustrates me is forcing me to buy junk.
The stupidest one is gas cans that don’t work.
Perhaps of topic but I'm reading Dan Carlin's book "the end is always near" I've been a fan of his Hardcore History podcast for 10-15 years and this is a worthy addition to his oeuvre.
Something in the book caused me to look up smallpox deaths. I knew it was a lot but was flabbergasted by what I found.
500 million smallpox deaths just in the 20th century.
This even though the last case of the disease was in 1967.
John Henry
And the refrigerants keep on getting banned / phased out. So you will be forced to buy a new AC, if your old one needs refrigerant. Or you can buy the refrigerant off eBay...
I am hanging onto my 20 years old AC unit until it dies dead. I get a sales pitch every year in the spring.
Cookie, I used to hear about "planned obsolescence" decades ago in terms of car manufacture. But I don't believe it. Cars then had a typical life of 100K miles, you had to replace tires, shocks, mufflers, spark plugs, points every few thousand miles. Now, the muffler shops have gone out of business, there are no points anymore, no one replaces shocks anymore and on and on. Cars now go 200k miles without a major repair and many last even longer.
It's not planned obsolescence, it is capitalism in another form, competition. Imported Japanese cars beat the pants off US models and forced American car makers to respond to the competition.
Are mechanical appliances made more cheaply than they should be? Yes. It is competition for market share by an overbalance of cost cutting over quality. Eventually the pendulum will come back and with proper trade relationships, American manufacturing will be more cost effective and you will see quality return. But you will have to pay for it.
500 million smallpox deaths just in the 20th century.
Malaria has killed about as many, especially since Rachel Carson killed DDT.
Between 150- million and 300 million have died in the 20th century of malaria, but the mortality rate is not as high as smallpox. Smallpox has varied a lot in mortality rate from 20% to 80% of children.
As I look at the lighting disaster in my wife's kitchen (we remodeled in 2009) where we were required by local code, California law and bushels of "good intentions", I curse them all.
The original lighting was very good. The new code requirements promised better lighting at much lower energy figures, with very long lives for the new "energy efficient" bulbs.
One say to spell horse manure is "Sacramento". Four long fluorescent tubes in a "light box" had provided adequate light for years--with good service life as well.
Now we wound up with 13 "can" light fixtures buried in the new ceiling. The promised service life of 5 years a bulb-- was more like five weeks in some cases, and never more than 5 months. Worse yet, the fixtures themselves fail. Right now it's Christmas cooking time and half the kitchen is in no light because four--count 'em four fixtures have failed. In two cases it's impossible to extract the failed bulb. The electrician will be here on December 29, albeit the service call was placed on December 19. These fancy new light fixtures are good business for electricians--but miserable for people working in the dark.
Trump knew what he was doing when he told the LED requirement to take a hike.
I think Gary went home.
Merry Christmas, gary.
Well.."capitalism" allows products to compete on reliability/longevity.
Of course, if the maintainable part of the product, such as refrigerant, is subject to dictated change, one might favor a shorter lived product at a lesser price.
I wonder what Berno, desirous of fewer deodorants, might say on this.
Does he compost his shit in any of his 3 homes?
Gary said...
It is amazing how much ignorance wbfjrr2 wrote when writing about arguing climate change with his doctor buddies. They are right and he is just dead wrong. Dangerously wrong for the future of human life on the planet. Believe the doctors, not your obsolete false propaganda from those with an interest in promoting fossil fuel.
*****************
Typical warmista: make dogmatic and unsupported assertions, argue from "Authority" and not facts, and denigrate those you disagree with as captives of the fossil fuel industry.
I predict Gary won't be back to argue anything "on the merits".
Skeptical Voter - on the can lighting some guesses:
Since you mentioned energy efficiency, sounds like a cfl. It could be incandescent. I would replace them with led types.
The lights may be the screw type, or the type you plug in. There is an adapter to make it the screw in type.
Once they are changed into led’s you can make them dimmable by replacing the switch with a dimmer.
99 cents in the last area has sold led’s for can lighting that works well.
Or if you are near riverside the city subsidizes led bulbs sold in the city.
I’m thinking about changing the fluorescent tubes I have in my kitchen to cans, I already changed the to electronic ballasts and later led tubes that got rid of the annoying hum (magnetic ballast) and flicker.
Cans vs tubes is a completely different light experience.
Recessed cans with reflective interiors will bake the bulb.
AllenS, you need one of these. Last of their kind. Has an agitator, and you can actually fill it up:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/GE-4-5-cu-ft-High-Efficiency-Top-Load-Washer-White/1000757220
Michael K said...
Between 150- million and 300 million have died in the 20th century of malaria,
I've got as book on the history of malaria that claims 50% of all humans who have lived ever died of malaria. He shows his calculations and resources and I don't see anything obviously out of whack.
It seemed high so I looked at some other sources that say 25-30%.
Both are of everyone that's ever lived going back 10,000 years or so.
25 or 50, who's counting. Either way that is still one hell of a lot of dead people for something controllable by a cheap chemical like ddt.
For those who think malaria is a tropical disease, one of the major outbreaks last century was in Archangel in 1922 with 10,000 deaths out of 30,000 cases.
Archangel is almost on the arctic circle.
John Henry
Led tubes to replace florescent tubes work well. A lot of my clients are putting them urn their plants. They seem nice to me.
In my home office I had a fixture with 2 8' tubes. I replaced it with a 2 "tube" led fixture I bought in Costco for @ $35.
It was not quite bright for the Greenscreen videos i shoot so I added a 2nd. Other than when I'm in front of the camera, I almost never use the 2nd.
I also like led flashlights. Ultra bright and batteries last forever.
John Henry
Fwiw, My father grew up in Chicago and remembered running behind the ddt sprayer trucks in the summer for fun/cooling.
His demise had no connection to that.
LED flashlights are convenient. However, essentially disposable compared to tungsten flashlights.
For those who think malaria is a tropical disease, one of the major outbreaks last century was in Archangel in 1922 with 10,000 deaths out of 30,000 cases.
The reason why the Mayo Clinic is in Minnesota is that malaria drove old Dr Mayo that far north to avoid it.
The Union had a monopoly of Quinine in the Civil War. It did not exist in the western hemisphere until Europeans and slaves arrived.
I don't see much of an issue with LED's for this:
>Recessed cans with reflective interiors will bake the bulb.
The LED fits on the end, so nothing to reflect.
A nice product available on Amazon, when you have little space, combines the can with the LED. Little bit more money.
I was really trying to think of the most boring topic ever and came up with:
The Valarie Phlame affair. how the old-time Althouse commentators would battle over that! . . . And now, no one cares.
I care and so should everyone else. Why? Because of who was at the center of the Plame fraud of an investigation -- one James Comey, who appointed Patrick Fitzgerald as another dishonest Javert out to get someone all the while already knowing who had "outed" Plame, the supposed reason for the appointment.
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