December 28, 2019

"The Islamic State’s project to establish a proto-state and expand its domain across a broad swath of Iraq and Syria attracted tens of thousands of foreign fighters from at least 80 countries..."

"Some security experts say it is crucial for countries to repatriate and prosecute their nationals if the jihadist movement is to be prevented from rising again. They add that due process also requires this. But the difficulties are many. Some governments don’t even know how many of their nationals are being held, who they are or how deeply they were involved in Islamic State atrocities. Many countries lack the laws to prosecute alleged fighters, and even if the laws are on the books, it is often unclear whether evidence from the battlefield would hold up in court. If they are convicted, they could radicalize others in custody and then be released after sentences as short as three years, leaving already overburdened police to keep unrepentant militants from turning to violence again. Western European countries, in particular, have been resistant to bringing the prisoners home, citing obstacles ranging from national security to domestic politics...."

From "After the Caliphate: Disarmed but not defused/The defeat of the ISIS caliphate left this Moroccan militant and about 2,000 other suspected foreign fighters detained in northeastern Syria. Will they pose a greater threat there or back in their home countries?" (WaPo).

37 comments:

tim maguire said...

They add that due process also requires this.

Given that, as everyone knows, “due process” simply means the process that is due, it is not some immutable natural set of rights. The only process these people are due is the process set down by law in the land where they are captured.

So, does the article go on to spell out what sort if process the Caliphate says is due? I suspect they would prefer they NOT get their due process.

brylun said...

Of course, they are a serious danger to their home countries, and ultimately to the rest of the world. Sympathy should be reserved for their numerous victims. Let's be real about this. They are trained killers highly motivated by religious zealotry.

Anonymous said...

Doesn’t the Geneva Convention permit summary execution without trial when an irregular combatant is caught fighting while not in uniform? I don’t know why my tax dollars should go to house these vermin in Guantanamo Bay for decades, when we’d be within our rights to use them to grease our tank treads the same day they’re captured.

gilbar said...

were they in uniform? were they fighting for a national army? or were they pirates?
we HANG pirates, or, at least, we should; if we don't want MORE PIRATES

David Begley said...

Those people are totally fucked up. And it will never change. Those countries will remain shitholes forever.

Josephbleau said...

There is precedent. When Americans formed the Lincoln Brigade and fought for communism in Franco’s Spain they repatriated to bolster US communism without any problem or legal issue. I think the real current issue is that if a family is offered refuge in a western country due to human rights, it is unseemly for the kids to go back to that country and take the human rights of those who did not get that sanctuary, and then want to go back to the haven they left.

gilbar said...

Josephbleau said...
I think the real current issue is that if a family is offered refuge in a western country due to human rights, it is unseemly for the kids to go back to that country and take the human rights of those who did not get that sanctuary, and then want to go back to the haven they left.


there's a story about a pretty western girl, and a frozen snake; that explains this all perfectly

tim maguire said...

Blogger Skookum John said...Doesn’t the Geneva Convention permit summary execution without trial when an irregular combatant is caught fighting while not in uniform?

You are correct. Geneva protections extend to all soldiers of signatory nations and all soldiers who follow the Geneva conventions. Anyone who does not fit under either category does not receive its protections.

Fernandinande said...

Will they pose a greater threat there or back in their home countries?

I sure hope so.

TJM said...

Nuke Mecca and Medina. Problem solved

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I think there is a long-standing sense that Jews in Europe (the Ashkenazi) were ghettoized and brutalized. Their lives were limited, but they made the best of the limitations: rabbinical teachings, intellectual and sometimes artistic pursuits (Joseph Epstein has been funny on the fact that not all Jewish kids in Chicago took violin lessons), and yes, money-lending, banking, growing certain kinds of business. All of this prepared them well for success in professions including law and medicine when this was "permitted." It was not true that in 1939 the Jewish population of Europe was wealthy--collectively they were poor; but it was true that in certain fields, where incomes were high, Jews showed up disproportionately. I don't know as much about the Sephardim--expelled from the Holy Land, but living for centuries close by, mostly around the Mediterranean. Not as stigmatized or brutalized? More likely to fit in as "Levantines," or living in the Ottoman Empire, an urban population, like the Greeks, focussed on trade and shipping? The Old Testament teaches that God first tried to make human beings in general obedient; this didn't work, so he chose a people. It's not surprising that this leads to a sense of having a noble calling, potentially of benefit to all humanity, but expecting that there will be a lot of hardship along the way.
This phrase, "to see the absurd in the mundane and the sublime in the absurd," reminds me of Jonathan Swift--not a Jew.

Roughcoat said...

Kill them all.

Jersey Fled said...

So WaPo admits that Isis was defeated. Props to DJT!

Leland said...

This was the purpose of the prison at Gitmo.

chickelit said...

No worries. Rep (D) Rashida Tlaib will repatriate them. All of them.

Michael K said...

I think the atomic bomb was created to fix this problem.

Wince said...
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William said...

We need to get a Death Pool going. What country do you think will be the first to suffer a massacre at the hands of a re-patriated Islamic warrior. My instinct says France or England, but I wouldn't want to bet against Germany or one of the Scandinavian countries either. Maybe it will be a dark horse like Belgium or Italy. Italy doesn't seem to have had a terrorist attack yet. Maybe the Islamists are afraid of the Mafia or the Red Brigades.

Wince said...

I thought one advantage of the Syrian pull-back was to have the Russians execute these prisoners, at least from the standpoint of the European countries that refuse to take them back.

Dude1394 said...

2000 bullets doesn’t seem like a big problem.

Temujin said...

No worries. They're all being replanted into Germany, Britain, Italy, France, Canada, and the US.

Love those open borders and lax immigration laws. When the next attack happens here and they find it was a former ISIS idiot, they'll all get on TV and decry our gun laws.

chuck said...

Some security experts say...

Who? This is right up there with "Scientists say..." and other BS signifiers. What is written may be right, it may be wrong, but I'm not going to trust a newspaper famously filled with fake news.

chuck said...

repatriated to bolster US communism without any problem or legal issue.

I knew one who complained that he was refused enlistment in the Army when the US entered WWII.

JAORE said...

"So WaPo admits that Isis was defeated. Props to DJT!"

Yeah but WaPo throws in there are thousands Trump missed just itching to be a problem.
Not like when Obama got Bin Laden and all the problems disappeared.

hombre said...

“Many countries lack the laws to prosecute alleged fighters, ....” So even the use of “alleged” doesn’t free the assholes at WaPo to refer to the ISIS assholes as “terrorists.”

There’s a kinship there, assholes and terrorists. Just different weapons.

Mark said...

Some security experts say it is crucial for countries to repatriate and prosecute their nationals

These are the same September 10 "experts" who still think that the war being waged against humanity is a criminal justice issue and that the answer to stopping this evil is to send in a bunch of lawyers (and everyday people as jurors) to tie up courtrooms for decades to come.

Mark said...

They are rightly deemed unlawful enemy combatants for a reason. They have placed themselves outside the law and to be treated under the war power instead.

Ray - SoCal said...

I thought the Syrian Government was going to take care of the problem in their country, since they now have forces in the area.

Or is this in the Turkish controlled area?

Only 2,000?

Sounds like a lot were already taken care of, Permanently...

Unless somebody, either Syria or Turkey, see the 2,000 as a way to embarrass or pressure other countries.

BarrySanders20 said...

WWGKD? What would Genghis Khan do?

Narayanan said...

Let's be real about this. They are trained killers highly motivated by religious zealotry.
_____&&&&&-----
Which raise the Question:

How can they be used?

There must be a bidding war going on and smuggling.

Clyde said...

The mistake was taking prisoners. Dead men have no recidivism rate.

dwshelf said...

Historically, there were two types of decisive victory in war:
1. The enemy was killed.
2. The enemy was enslaved.

Any other result left the war as unresolved, and the enemy was likely to rebuild and attack in due time.

This common sense equation was well understood up until the 20th century, but became near totally obscured by events following WWII.

narciso said...

so this is another sob story, like the ones the Elois who were massacred on London bridge fell for,

narciso said...

the real story is the Syrian rebels we paid for two years, who have been redeployed by turkey in Syria,

Achilles said...

There are 2000 of them?

Make a map of the world. About the size of a football field.

Then make a pin map with pins in the respective positions of all of their home countries. Take a picture and give the picture wide circulation.

Each pin will be a head on a pike.

Make sure there are some close up pictures.

Ambrose said...

Wait! We have a remedy. Guantanamo Bay.

mandrewa said...

If we are going to go down this road then it is better that it comes from both parties than from the president. Essentially the whole country, and both political parties, should be behind the idea of punishing China, if we are going to do it.

Of course both political parties were behind the invasion of Iraq as I recall. Somehow that didn't stop the Democrats from rewriting the history though.