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December 21, 2019
In the last 7 days, President Trump's approval rating has improved by more than 2 percentage points.
In the Real Clear Politics average of many polls, Trump's approval number has moved from 43.9 to 44.5 and disapproval has moved 53.4 to 51.9. The gap between the 2 numbers has narrowed from 9.5 to 7.4, a 2.1 percentage point improvement in Trump's favor.
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...but ‘impeaching’ him was so fun! Totally worth two points...
well?
Wasn't this THE POINT of Impeachment?
Weren't the democrats TRYING to get President Trump reelected?
Meanwhile congressional approval has dipped below 20 percent, from its normal half of the President’s approval...
We are the bastards we’ve been waiting for.
I think more Trump supporters are willing to be polled, though they're still underestimated.
A majority of US citizens disapprove of the President and have disapproved of him throughout his entire tenure as president. A majority of US citizens did not vote for him and a majority think he should be impeached. Yes, the polls look good.
A majority of US citizens did not vote for him
That hasn't happened to a President since ever.
‘Impeachment’ has made the President more popular.
^^^^The Point^^^^
this is my shocked face
Reasonable Man- I think what you meant to say was that a majority of Californians did not vote for him. Well and good. I'll give you that, and toss in Seattle, Portland, and New York.
Oh wait...there's more to the country than that?
You're going to have to find a new system that does not allow all those living in between CA and NY to vote. I know you're trying (eliminate Electoral College, pack the Supreme Court with 21 year old grads from Oberlin, hire hundreds of young people with Journalism! degrees to talk and write about things they know nothing about), but you're going to have to try harder. You are seriously staring at a huge landslide for the Orange Man in 2020. Next Thanksgiving could provide us with the most articles in history on how to talk to our family.
The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP.
The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP.
You stupid bastards! You can't vote for Trump.
He's stupid! You're stupid! You're a lazy, toothless yokel!
We impeached him, you stupid fucking racist bastards! You can't for vote for him.
You're incredibly persuasive, ARM. This tactic has been incredibly successful for the past 3 years.
They'd better make lots of money--their cost of living is 60% higher.
’The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP.’
How do you maintain your level of stupidity?
"The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP."
And pray tell what percentage of the produced goods and services is actual twaddle? Wall Street comes to mind.
So half the country, like ARM, disapproves of prosperity, low unemployment, Israel, lower taxes, exposing Deep State/Democrat corruption, actual foreign policy (as opposed to toadying/ dithering), etc?
We are well on the way to becoming a nation of morons who deserve a Biden or a Bernie or some other Democrat loon.
The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP
Of course that GDP is a lot bigger under Trump.
And will be a lot smaller if a fucking Democrat should ever get near the controls again.
I don’t know about 60% of the GDP, but I know those regions produce 75%, or more of our crime and virtually none of our food.
Imagine there's no Lefties.
It isn't hard too do.
hombre said...
So half the country, like ARM, disapproves of prosperity
Comprehension is not a strength, apparently. The prosperous parts of the country voted against Trump.
You're repeating the Deplorables argument, ARM, you stupid ass.
There's nothing reasonable about you. You're a loon.
ARM with his made-up “facts” again. He and his fellow lefties are mostly angry about the way Trump’s policies provided jobs for blacks and Hispanics. Those demographics were such much easier to manipulate when they were broke and their kids were going hungry.
The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP
Personal means testing for voting is bad, but it's different when it's for a region, right?
‘The prosperous parts of the country voted against Trump.’
I recognize that you’re more emotionally unstable than usual due to the shampeachment failure and Trump’s rising popularity, but you’re repeating grossly generalized bullshit that is not on topic. Grow up, pussy.
43.9, 44.5, 53.4, 51.9, 9.5, 7.4 and 2.1 are all very fine percents.
Here's the thing. The right is angry that the most prosperous parts of the country, as well as a majority of the country's most successful business leaders, are no longer reflexive right wingers. It is a remarkable change. Instead of trying to understand why this is, they act out by voting for a nihilist like Trump. It is the kind of self-defeating behavior that lead to this situation in the first place.
A majority of US citizens disapprove of the President and have disapproved of him throughout his entire tenure as president. A majority of US citizens did not vote for him and a majority think he should be impeached. Yes, the polls look good.
Polling is nothing but narrative management. Polling is commissioned by entities that have a message to sell.
Two polls. One with President Trump approval below 50%, (Just like Obama, right) A second showing President Trump defeating each of the Democrat hopefuls.
The Greatest statesman of current history declared, "it's the economy stupid" (leftist ignore because reasons)
Obama was president for over 400 weeks.
In how many of those weeks was his popularity above 50%?
In how many weeks was Obama's popularity above pdjt's for the corresponding week?
Answer to both questions:not many.
John Henry
Vegas odds on Trump reelection actually improved after the impeachment!
"But after the House voted to impeach President Trump on Dec. 18, his odds to win the 2020 election actually improved to -125. The impeachment itself has rallied and activated his base, which is common going back to Bill Clinton in 1998."
(Theline.com)
The left lectures us about what a rotten statistic GDP is. The superior measure is 'happiness' or something.
The happy parts of the country voted for Trump.
Blogger Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said..."The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP."
But probably not a smidgen of food and of the energy to run your life. Moron. Eat your code!
little of
What's the significance of 44%? Looking at the chart, 44% isn't even the President's peak approval rating in the last three months. His approval has been hovering between 40 and 46% for almost two years. Probably since it became obvious the Mueller investigation wasn't producing any evidence of wrongdoing.
rehajm said...
The happy parts of the country voted for Trump.
Not based on the endless whining on this site.
ARM's posts remind me of a drowning man.
Polling below 50%.
Now THAT surely is a high crime or misdemeanor!
The only reason those parts are still "prosperous" is because lefties in charge haven't totally gutted the work of former Republican and sane Democratic voters.
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP.
12/21/19, 6:44 AM
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Yes, Trump represents the poor and dispossessed.
Unknown said...
Trump represents the poor and dispossessed.
Trump uses 'the poor and dispossessed'. He couldn't give a fuck about anyone else's actual best interests.
"A majority of US citizens did not vote for him..."
An entirely true statement. With a voter participation rate of around 56% you can't say that a majority of US citizens voted for either candidate.
Interestingly the turnout in California was pretty high....75.3%. Inefficient voting to be sure, when a simple majority nets you those sweet, sweet 55 EVs. More evidence of foolish campaigning by H. Clinton. Running up the score in places that don't matter. Would visiting a dozen diners in Ohio and Wisconsin have been a more sensible notion?
Looks to me as if the same Wile E. Coyote level consulting geniuses are still finding gainful employ...
TW
The majority of Americans did not vote.
2016 US population: 323m
Hillary votes: 66m (~20.4%)
Trump votes: 63m (19.5%)
Americans who did not vote for Hillary or Trump: 194m (60%)
So, if you want to talk about some sort of vast approval or disapproval, I would recommend you refer to percentage of voters, not of Americans.
It is the holiday season, instead of listening to endless negative news lots of us are decorating, gift shopping and busy getting together with family and friends. All those things that make Christmas time special. Much harder to feel angry at some man you don't personally know who Democrats are blaming for destroying the country when you feel happy and content.
Plenty of Republicans in NYC don't vote because they are so outnumbered it is a waste of time for them to go to the polls. I am sure lots of Democrats who live in solid red areas do the same. If the Presidential election was decided by a national vote rather than the electoral college - those voters might vote. So complaining HRC won the national vote is ridiculous because we don't know what the outcome would be if voters knew their vote would count.
"A majority of US citizens disapprove of the President and have disapproved of him throughout his entire tenure as president. A majority of US citizens did not vote for him and a majority think he should be impeached."
Lest anyone think this means that President Trump is pursuing bad policies, I offer a refresher on the logical fallacy of "argumentum ad numeram," which Logicallyfallacious.com describes as:
"Using the popularity of a premise or proposition as evidence for its truthfulness. This is a fallacy which is very difficult to spot because our 'common sense' tells us that if something is popular, it must be good/true/valid, but this is not so, especially in a society where clever marketing, social and political weight, and money can buy popularity."
That is all.
I do not understand why people discuss polling. That is not a discussion of facts. It is a discussion of narrative management.
In other words, it is not only a waste of time, but a mistake to believe what the pollsters tell us - good or bad for Trump.
You’d better Learn To Farm, ARM...
Trump uses 'the poor and dispossessed'. He couldn't give a fuck about anyone else's actual best interests.
Really? You have evidence for this, besides that fact that his economy generated jobs for the poor?
A majority of Americans may not have voted for Trump, but he's still their President. A few more Americans are coming around to his way of thinking.
And this is why Pelosi is holding onto the Articles -- because she knows they are a losing cause.
All the boodle he’s raised.
Trump represents the poor and dispossessed.
Trump uses 'the poor and dispossessed'. He couldn't give a fuck about anyone else's actual best interests.
Your best interests might not be my best interests. But one of my best interests thinks Americans should be working.
Those AA and Hispanics who work numbers are good. It’s in all our interests that those numbers are good.
Another of my interests is to have a healthy retirement account so I’m not a burden to my children or my country.
I’m in the market. I’m content.
Another best interest to me is that for the first time in my lifetime, the US is a net energy exporter.
I think these are good things.
You disagree.
500k names are coming off the rolls in 2 states.
That does not mean all those 500k names are in other states.
Imagine if the voters’ rolls in all 50 states were more accurate.
The money that the US would save.
ARM is tedious.
Trump will be re-elected.
Government control leads to poverty.
Free people.
Free markets.
Birkel said...
Government control leads to poverty.
The left-wing states are doing better economically than the right-wing states. You might want to review your assumptions. Communist China is doing much better than all of them if you limit your view to GDP growth.
The majority of Americans did not vote.
2016 US population: 323m
Hillary votes: 66m (~20.4%)
Trump votes: 63m (19.5%)
Americans who did not vote for Hillary or Trump: 194m (60%)
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323m-#of residents <18 = about 250M. Subtract out illegals and non-citizens, at least some of whom follow the law and don't vote:
~200M.
Voila, you get to the rough 60% of voters who participated in the last election.
If I limit my view to fake, state controlled statistics then I would be as big a fool as you.
When the CIA is totally surprised by the collapse of China, where will ARM be?
Interestingly the turnout in California was pretty high....75.3%. Inefficient voting to be sure, when a simple majority nets you those sweet, sweet 55 EVs. More evidence of foolish campaigning by H. Clinton.
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Including illegal votes or not?
Because if you don't think at least 1M of those "California votes" were illegally cast, I have lots of things to sell you.
I live here. 1) there is no checking up on the box you mark on your drivers license application/renewal for whether or not you're a citizen. 2) there is no ID check of course at the polling station anyway. 3) ballot harvesting pays no attention to legal status.
so. Democrat machine makes sure you check box for voting. Sends out absentee ballots to non-citizens. Harvests ballots as needed.
Birkel said...
If I limit my view to fake, state controlled statistics
There are independent external assessments of China's growth that, while less rosy than the communist's own assessment, are still much better than all western countries.
You just have to look at who makes stuff to get an overview on how things have gone.
The left-wing states are doing better economically than the right-wing states. You might want to review your assumptions. Communist China is doing much better than all of them if you limit your view to GDP growth.
Kind of reverse effect but that's ARM's reasoning. He hasn't heard about the Murray Gell-Mann amnesia effect.
Tech bubbles create a small group of very rich people, mostly nerdy men. They don't make anything tangible so it is easy for them to adopt left wing politics out of guilt and a desire to look less greedy. They are very susceptible to scams like Theranos, in which a young attractive girl who imagined herself to be the female Steve Jobs, got lost of rich men to invest in vaporware.
California is the example of left wing economies. All manufacturing has left. The state contains three groups of residents. Older white people who bought homes when the economy worked, abject poverty and a small group of tech workers being exploited by a few tech billionaires.
There is also a group of state employees who will rely on pensions in a few years that are also vaporware.
The young demographic is leaving for Texas and Arizona.
As for China, I assume ARM also believed the USSR's economic statistics like the CIA did,.
The zeitgeist is a changing.People are suddenly no longer afraid to support the Bad Orange President who has been 100% on their side for 4 years. They know how muchy owe him.
Like Winston Churchill so eloquently stated , "Never was so much owed by so many to so few."
That statement also applied to Wade McCluskey SBD Squadron at Midway and to Donald Trump at the nearly impossible war to save the USA. And everybody knows it.
Correct, ARM, and they show China in recession.
What else have you?
Reading material for ARM.
In truth, the Golden State is becoming a semi-feudal kingdom, with the nation’s widest gap between middle and upper incomes—72 percent, compared with the U.S. average of 57 percent—and its highest poverty rate. Roughly half of America’s homeless live in Los Angeles or San Francisco, which now has the highest property crime rate among major cities. California hasn’t yet become a full-scale dystopia, of course, but it’s heading in a troubling direction.
"The left-wing states are doing better economically than the right-wing states. You might want to review your assumptions. Communist China is doing much better than all of them if you limit your view to GDP growth."
Should we discuss the poverty rate in California (cause I'm sure we're always concerned about the poor and minorities)
Per USA Today (that rightwing rag) states with the top economic growth in 2018 are:
S.C, Colo, Utah, AZ, Nevada, Florida, Oregon, Wash..
Clearly all "left wing states"
And a big reason why AZ is one the list:
-because it's next to California and therefore an easy place to flee to when trying to avoid high taxes, insane regulation, crappy roads, shit on the sidewalk. etc.
Phil 314 said...
S.C, Colo, Utah, AZ, Nevada, Florida, Oregon, Wash.
But which part of those states are thriving? It is the left-leaning cities not the right-leaning countryside. This is the point, all over the country some regions are thriving but those regions tend to be blue.
Don't take my word for it, read one of the numerous articles on this:
The less-than-500 counties that Hillary Clinton carried nationwide encompassed a massive 64 percent of America’s economic activity as measured by total output in 2015. By contrast, the more-than-2,600 counties that Donald Trump won generated just 36 percent of the country’s output—just a little more than one-third of the nation’s economic activity.
Trump will win a majority of votes this time, something Hillary didn’t do and neither did Bill.
It makes some sense to get rid of the electoral college and require the winner to get 50% + one vote.
But why should the president be elected by a plurality of voters? How is that better than the Electoral College system?
A majority of voters did not vote for Trump. And a majority of voters did not vote for Hillary.
Same in 1968, 1992, 1996, 2000.
Samuel Tilden is the only person to win the Majority Vote but lose the Electoral Vote.
And he didn’t whine about it.
A majority of US citizens disapprove of the President - Nope
and have disapproved of him throughout his entire tenure as president. - Nope
A majority of US citizens did not vote for him - Nope
and a majority think he should be impeached. - Nope
But other than that? You're absolutely correct.
ARM's comment about GDP is dumb. [Reposted, as ARM did on this thread.]
The U.S. GDP of about $20T has the durable goods sector [$4T], government "value added" [$2T] and services [$14].
Things like government work, universities, social work, hedge-funding and banking, etc., make up a large segment of blue county GDP. All necessary in a complex society.
The red counties do the agriculture [i.e., everyone's food, ICYMI], resource extraction, much of the heavy transportation, much of the manufacturing, cantoning the armed forces, etc. Also, all necessary in a complex society.
But, one is the base, one is the superstructure and I have no idea how government value-added is calculated. You can keep your blue counties.
Hunters vs. Hairdressers and one side's got all the food.
“The regions that voted against Trump produce 60% of the country's GDP.”
That Progs like to trot out this factoid merely confirms their profound ignorance about how the world works. Almost certainly the majority of the people doing the producing in those regions are conservatives, not government employees, not government dependents.
I've often felt like I'm the guy in that YouTube video, "Stop Making Me Defend Trump!" But these days it's hard to see how you could not like Trump when you compare him to his enemies--the scummiest, stupidest gang around: i.e., the "liberal" Hive.
It is ironic, but historically constant, that the producers must support the people who want to destroy them.
Shorter ARM...
been a year since she ran away
guess that guitar player sure could play
Look at the last two years. This is just noise.
2018 total GDP of the 50 states and DC. $18.5 trillion. Total GDP of states Trump won in the electoral college: $8.7 million or 47%.
Not counties, but states that voted in the electoral college - our system for electing a president. Arms numbers are bogus.
It's official, Clinton's popular vote came entirely from CA.
That 60% thing could be another way of saying that they are parasites sucking 60% of our national income without producing anything actually valuable. Can anyone outside of LA eat, drink, wear, or use anything produced in LA?
ARM sides with the wealthy against the poor who support the president.
"The left wing states are doing better economically than the right wing states."
Which is why California has the highest poverty rate in the US.
But lets do a little test. Remove the financial sector from the blue states. I think you'll find that they rapidly come down close to par. Financial trading no longer needs to be done from a central location.
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