November 11, 2019

"I’ve been thinking about aging a lot lately because of Keanu Reeves and his rumored girlfriend, who is 46 and has gray hair."

"She’s gorgeous, of course, but the fact that she doesn’t dye her hair has caused an absolute cataclysm online. Everyone’s been congratulating Keanu on his age-appropriate date, — only nine years younger than him! So different from Leonardo DiCaprio! Some people have also confused her for Helen Mirren, which is somewhat reasonable because they do look alike, but also horrifying because Helen Mirren is 74. This supports my long-standing theory, developed the minute I turned 35, that people under the age of 35 think of all people over the age of 35 as 'old.' Once someone has crossed that barrier, it doesn’t matter if she’s 46 or 74 — the point is that she is not young.... I wish this were not the case, but I’m a little freaked out about turning 39. I liked being 35, right in the middle. Because let’s be honest — what we’re talking about, when we’re talking about women and aging, is losing status. Just by staying alive over the next decades, just by not dying, my value is going to drop. What a raw deal! It’s going to happen to me, and if you’re a woman, it’s going to happen to you, and it already happened to Alexandra Grant, which is why we’re all so proud of Keanu, a man with so much status, for allegedly dating her anyway."

From "Keanu Reeves’s Lady Friend Has Given Me the Courage to Turn 40" by Izzy Ginspan — which is a fantastic name for a humorist — in New York Magazine.

In a far less comic mode but on the same subject enough to keep me from making a separate post, here's Francine Prose, the 72-year-old novelist, in "Cruel jokes about the old are everywhere. When will we face our ageism epidemic?/We tolerate mockery of the elderly that we’d never allow if it targeted another group. But we’ll all be old one day" (at The Guardian):
It’s unsurprising that animosity toward the elderly has been profitably commodified... [T]he phrase “OK Boomer” is “Generations Z’s ... retort to the problem of older people who just don’t get it.” OK Boomer now appears on phone cases, stickers, pins, and sweatshirts and on a range of products that say, “OK boomer, have a terrible day.” “‘If they do take it personally’,” according to one 17-year-old quoted in the piece, “‘it just further proves that they take everything we do as offensive.’” And yet one wonders if the public would be quite so amused by a logo that said: “OK Jews, have a terrible day.” Given the losses and infirmities that so often accompany age, don’t the elderly have enough bad days without being told to have more?

The accepted explanation and justification for all this is that the old have ruined things for the young... [but] I think that the animosity toward the old is less economic than existential, less political than primal, less about student debt than about fear of one’s own ageing.... What’s striking is that the prejudice against the elderly is the only bigotry directed at the inevitable future of the bigot. Few misogynists, I imagine, fear that they eventually will turn into women, nor do racists worry that the passing decades will radically alter their ethnicity and the color of their skin. But the young will get old, if they’re lucky....
Maybe we can talk the young out of their mockery and aversion by telling them they're attacking their own future selves and magnifying their own fear of aging. I would add that we Boomers in our youth were very cruel to those who were older. We had the slogan "Never trust anyone over 30." Confront the young of today with the idea that they're acting like we did in our time. If you don't like what we are, you'd better work on being something else. And that goes right along with the cancel-culture fastidiousness about any mockery or aversion to any traditionally discriminated against group. Be that, kids, and manifest nothing but the celebration of diversity that includes the old people. OK, Zoomer?

128 comments:

rhhardin said...

Keanu Reeves has turned out some stinkers recently but it doesn't mean he wants to date morons and idiots.

gilbar said...
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tim in vermont said...

A: Reeves is right, grey hair is kind of hot on a woman who is kind of hot. I personally like it. Then I like women around my own age.

B: I don’t really identify as a Boomer, maybe somewhere in between there and Gen X, but I remember the Boomers cry of “Never trust anybody over 30.” Which even then I though was bullshit.

C: I can’t really care that much about what Millennials think about anything. They have been lied to so much though, and that is sad. They have no way to sort through the lies, and their educations have been subverted for the sake of lefty politics. It’s just kind of sad.

gilbar said...

i guess i should read the assignments to the end, before making snarky remarks :(

Paco Wové said...

The idea that the young have important things to say is a huge pathology of American culture that seems to be infecting much of the western world.

Ann Althouse said...

LOL Gilbar.

tim in vermont said...

Reeves should stop dying his own hair and get a haircut, BTW. Maybe he thinks she’s doing some kind of Dorian Grey thing for him.

iowan2 said...

I must be in the lucky minority. The minority that saw my parents respect our elders. Sought out advice from those years of experience. The combined wisdom of failures and successes. I suppose in small town Iowa, the 50's and 60's there existed a known, multi generational history. Those successes and failures, for the last 2-3 generations were known and defined the quality of the the elders of our community.

Even without that, keeping an open mind when those with decades of experience speak, has a real value.

I think it was Henry Ford, that observed, a smart man learns from his mistakes. It takes a genius to learn from the mistakes of others.

DavidUW said...

Half you age plus 7. Anything older is age appropriate for a man.

Ralph L said...

I remember when I got the rotating sign that says "Over 40" placed on my head. Later that year, it hit home to me that I wasn't getting out of this life alive.

gspencer said...

There's a ready answer to ageism,

Remember me as you pass by
As you are now, so once was I
As I am now, so you must be
Prepare for death and follow me

The great and wise Hank Williams put it all to song,

I'll never get outta this world alive,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vApPwWqh8

iowan2 said...

I spent most of my life wanting to be older. Normal for a kid that wanted a life of less rules, but we never had many rules anyway. Never had a set bedtime. (maybe because we did have non negotiable, get out of bed time). But in early adult hood, I tended to gravitate to those 15to 30 years older then me. Wanted to be taken serious, despite my thin resume. But I was always comfortable in my own skin, no mater the age of that skin. (yes I know my skin is always young, because all the cells are constantly replaced)

Ira said...

Love your ending, Ann!

alanc709 said...

Never trust anyone under 30. They lack consistency and experience, and now often lack an education. Ok, Boomer?

Swede said...

Honestly not meant to be disrespectful but she does look older than 46.
An observation, not a criticism.

rehajm said...

They have been lied to so much though, and that is sad. They have no way to sort through the lies, and their educations have been subverted for the sake of lefty politics.

I started to write something like this bit this is it. There’s defiance if you try to dispel the political myths. No amount of evidence or history will penetrate. Good job propagandists I guess...

The good news for those youngsters is that groups of their peers weren’t indoctrinated. Hopefully those groups will prevail.

Anonymous said...

"What’s striking is that the prejudice against the elderly is the only bigotry directed at the inevitable future of the bigot. [...]

Maybe we can talk the young out of their mockery and aversion by telling them they're attacking their own future selves and magnifying their own fear of aging."


Won't work because nobody, when young, really believes in his bones that he's going to be old himself in due time. Just like we don't really believe we're mortal, when we're in our teens and twenties. Yeah, we know it, intellectually, as an abstraction, but we don't *know* it.

I've got a better idea - how 'bout we stop wailing about "bigotry" because we get the mockery we dish out to others? Everybody's always coming up with rationales for why *their* particular condition should not be mocked. But I have no intention of stopping ragging on the young for doing stupid young people things, and I'm a fair-minded soul.

I can also do without women whining about losing their social status as they lose their looks. You're dumb if you didn't see that coming, and dumb and boring (and pathetic) if you have no real interest or purpose in life beyond being sexually attractive. Honestly, I don't know why women like this just don't kill themselves at 40, if they're so distressed about it.

Hagar said...

The idea that the young have important things to say is a huge pathology of American culture that seems to be infecting much of the western world.

Read Jung Chang on Mao's Cultural Revolution and the Red Guards in China 1970+/-. There are some eerie similarities though of course the movement is not quite so extreme and widespread here - yet. Perhaps because we lack a Mao - so far.

rehajm said...

I recall a fashion trend a few seasons ago where young women were dying their hair gray. Maybe blue gray but still. It was kind of shocking to see on 20 somethings...

Jamie said...

At least the older generally aren't looking for approval from the younger. I mean, I'm about as approval-seeking as you can get without being a complete doormat, and I don't give a hoot what a 25-year-old thinks of me... I was 25 and I remember what a total doofus it turned out that I was at that age (as well as how sage I believed myself to be). I can easily discount the opinions of a kid who thinks he's got either life or career experience at that age.

It is a problem that sometimes we're dependent on younger people's decisions, both societally (as in, when silly popular girl AOC gets elected) and individually (as in, when your boss is twenty years younger than you are).

Laslo Spatula said...

My theory on generational decline:

When the combination of poor education and lack of social cohesion and responsibility reach their nadir, the few scientists left will finally find the secret to immortality.

And then the stupidest of modern history will roam the planet forever, never getting any smarter, and crying about the social injustice of climate warming as the glaciers of the New Ice Age crawl inexorably at them.

The Caveman Cometh.

I am Laslo.

john said...

I dont think it is their hair but their face proportions look really off. The optimal ratio of height to width for "beautiful people" is 1.6. Their's are more like 2 and now they look like the scary emaciated couple at the end of the block you never wanted to go to for Holloween.

Maybe the image was stretched to make them look thinner.

Otto said...

"Boomers in our youth were very cruel to those who were older?"
Worse generation in American history.
In reality their cowardice turned them into basement seekers.
I have to give Ann credit for admitting that.

Laslo Spatula said...

If Keanu and Helen Mirren had a child that child would be _________________.

I am Laslo.

Michael The Magnificent said...

Generation Zippie, known for eating Tide Pods and voting socialist. Not the brightest bunch.

Laslo Spatula said...

The thinking of this column runs counter to some wise advice I once received from a older guy at a bus stop: you're only as old as the women you bang.

I am Laslo.

whitney said...

It's causing a "cataclysm" online. She is apparently shocked that attractive people are more attractive than unattractive people in their youth and in their old age. It seems like such a small life she has. I thought about going gray but I know that it makes you look older so I decided to wait. That was about all the thought I gave it

Sally327 said...

Look at the people who are in charge of this country, average age is what? 60+ easily. Whether it's government or the media or industry, the people running the show are easy to ridicule and seldom deserving of much respect. The taunting isn't due to fear of aging (which isn't something that kicks in until you're 50), that's just a typically condescending and narcissistic rationale. We who are old are so terribly wise! We understand all! Ok boomer.

stevew said...

When my kids were in their teens they acted up and treated mrs. stevew and me with a certain amount of disdain bordering on contempt. We had a book, "Get out of my Life, But first could you drive Me and Cheryl to the Mall?". The author, Anthony E. Wolf, a clinical psychologist that works with adolescents, explains that this behavior is a rite of passage for the teens. At some level they understand they must leave the people they love and that love them in order to become free adults. Wolf argues that the disdain and contempt they feel and exhibit makes it easier to accept leaving.

Those younger folks that don't trust anyone over, what is it, 35 now?, are stuck in this stage of development it seems.

I work at a company where the average age is 35 and frequently work with people closer to that age than mine (62). If they are disrespecting or making fun of me they are doing it when I'm not around. I treat them with respect, including listening to and accepting their ideas. I never assume the worst because they are Millennials. Perhaps that helps.

Deb said...

I am lucky to be old. I'll be 70 next March. Too many people I loved didn't make it this far. My father died at 56. My best friend at 14. Another friend was barely 60. An aunt at 46. The fact that I made it this far makes me very happy and grateful.

henry said...

we can crush them simply and easily by not paying off their student loans.

Bob Boyd said...

Grant's a "text-based" artist. I checked out her stuff just now, but it doesn't appeal to me.
She's asking 5 figures for her pieces though, so some people must like it.


Captain BillyBob said...

She looks like she could be his mother.

exhelodrvr1 said...

First they came for the old farts, but I said nothing ...

William said...

I bet when they're seventy there will be some kind of glucasominthingy injection that gives instant relief for arthritic knees. Those bastards will never suffer the way I have suffered.

pacwest said...

Boo hoo boomers. You got old. Live with it. Or not.

*Disclaimer: I'm the same age as Althouse, so that places me squarely in the boomer generation. How's that for cruel neutrality?

traditionalguy said...

Silver fox nails Keanu.

William said...

The plus side of the seventies is that your libido is as diminished as your sexual magnetism. That's not exactly wisdom, but it does help to keep you out of trouble. That's not true for men in their forties or fifties. I suppose that's true for women in those years, but they get less of a chance to act out their foolishness. Movie stars, what with their trainers and nutritionists, keep their good looks into their fifties and are able to believe that shit about age being just a number.....I respect Keanu's judgment and maturity, but Leonardo looks like he's having more fun.

Rory said...

"Keanu, a man with so much status,"

Heh.

Beasts of England said...

I can’t decide if his girlfriend’s hair is gray or grey...

Bill Peschel said...

Thank you for identifying her as a humorist. I wouldn't have known otherwise. It must be the New Yorker kind of funny that's not really, but it shows you're in the know.

Fortunately, Izzy has two kids, so she's fulfilled her function as a woman. That'll give her some comfort as she gets older. In the meantime, she should develop her brain, maybe her wit. Offer something of value to the conversation. That's how people will appreciate you. Be more like Althouse!

TerriW said...

One of the upsides of not having been a particularly "hot" woman in my youth is that the decline of age really hasn't been very steep, and not at all jarring.

So I got that going for me, which is nice.

Lurker21 said...

A cynic would say that Keanu is the kind of guy who looks like he needs mothering, but his girlfriend does give hope -- not only to older women and older-looking women, but also to art school graduates. Take that, boomers who thought art school was a financial dead end!

Francine Prose is a real Debbie Downer. She should try harder not to write articles that invite the kind of "Okay, Boomer" response that she dislikes.

Watching Saturday Night Live over the past few seasons, I’ve noticed the increasing number and frequency of jokes about old people: the feebleness of the aging brain, the repulsiveness of the elderly body, particularly the elderly female body.

There's her problem right there. Don't be watching TV alone at home on Saturday nights.

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Howard said...

Ageism is nothing, try living @6'4" in a world literally constructed for small people. I fucking have to sit in the front seat of an Uber. To get leg accomodations on an airplane, it costs extra. Imagine the outrage if they charged for handicap accessible accommodations. You have no idea how many times short women remind me of my disability by requesting I grab an item for them off the top shelf. Thanks to Gaia the comments"how's the weather up there" is finally going by the wayside.

RK said...

C'mon, we're all ageists. We were back in the day, and we still are. Keanu is only dating that old lady to 'be edgy' and get written about in some New York magazine.

Michael K said...

What is truly sad is how poorly educated the kids are. They are flocking to mental health services while in college. Suicide rates at MIT are 50% higher than average college students. Life is a banquet and they don't see it.

RNB said...

If your "OK, Boomer" t-shirt is in the wash, you can wear your "Hi! I'm an Asshole" shirt.

Mark said...

Progressivism inherently teaches people to despise what has gone before. The young have been indoctrinated in progressivism.

Wince said...

Reeves played a "young" doctor interested in an older woman played by Diane Keaton in "Something's Got to Give", a move written/directed by Meyers that eventually brought playboy Jack Nicholson into an "age appropriate" relationship with Keaton.

Mark said...

About the attractiveness of people over 35, if you look at photos through the decades, it is pretty clear that people are aging better today than they used to. Today's 50 could pass for 40 or younger. In the past, someone 35 could look like they were near 60.

Howard said...

Her hair looks gley and has a bit of a horseface. Pretty smile. She's no Jane Tennison at 46. Must be true love.

Tom said...

I”m a Gen X’er so the OK Boomer line is pretty funny until someone says it to me. Don’t worry, though, like a true Gen X’er, we’ll just hold it all together.

As for the boomers, as a group they’ve run up a tremendous national debt. They’ve basically lived like no one was coming after them and they raised the kids and grandkids who do all the stuff they don’t like. What the boomer’s fail to recognize is that we’re exactly what they should expect. We’ve raised a couple of generations who want to change the world but can’t bring order to their own house.

Now, I gotta go because my wife and I have to figure out how we’re going to accommodate Thanksgiving and Christmas with two sets of divorced boomer parents who all want to be the center of attention. It’s like a damn LSAT logic problem coupled to Gen X’er angst and using us for our practical know how. Let me crank up some Rage Against the Machine!

Big Mike said...

But the young will get old, if they’re lucky....

All single payer plans ration healthcare delivery based on age, and Warren’s plan will be no different. The kiddies of today will die in their 60’s while waiting for a hospital bed.

Roughcoat said...

Two observations.

If you don't an older woman with white hair can be sexy/attraction, ladies and gentlemen I give you ... Emmylou Harris. Woof!

The John Wick movies are rank high on the list of greatest action movies ever made. Keanau deserves a star on the Walk of Fame just for those.

mockturtle said...

She’s gorgeous, of course

Really??? IMO, Helen Mirren looks better at 74.

Howard said...

Doc Mike presenting facts like a holistic homeopathic Naturopathy. Get off my lawn, Sonny.

Darrell said...

Grant's a "text-based" artist. I checked out her stuff just now, but it doesn't appeal to me.


I did some research, and it looks like she dipped her toe in every scam art genre of the last couple of decades--like the spray of trash on the gallery floor. Although her "trash" looked manufactured like ceramic pieces of crumpled "paper." Nevertheless, she looks like a great piece of ass--just my type tall and thin. Size 10 feet, too. Which could come in handy.

Mark said...

There once was a wisdom that appreciated the wisdom of the ages and saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Today's progressivism says, "It's all broke." Even the "fundamental transformation" they insisted we needed and imposed upon us just a few years ago, they will say today is broke and in need of changing, e.g. ObamaCare. It is a never-ending process of fixing, of constantly "progressing" from the old and the present to the new.

Don't think that the young of today think like the people of yesterday thought. They don't.

jaydub said...

People should not become too attached to youth or to old age because neither condition lasts very long. Nor should young people be looked down on just because they are too inexperienced and uneducated to be able to realize that they know nothing. As a senior citizen one should just rest secure in the knowledge that we old folks tried and proved unworkable most of the Millennial's brilliant solutions to life's challenges half a century or more ago, and we should take solace in the fact that we will not be around to live in the utopia they are creating.

Mark said...

I bet when they're seventy there will be some kind of glucasominthingy injection that gives instant relief for arthritic knees. Those bastards will never suffer the way I have suffered.

The world that they are building for themselves (and for us) is systemically destined for a lower standard/quality of life.

When they're seventy there will be some kind of injection that gives instant relief for arthritic knees -- but it will be a lethal injection.

Peter said...

It's futile for us Boomers to get defensive about this or muse about some golden age when the young respected their elders. After all, we have had it fairly easy, have always been mouthy and are hanging around for longer than our ancestors. Gen Z may be the most humour-challenged generation in history, but that quip is pretty clever. Better to just chortle at their jibes and then tell them to suck up that student debt because we marched at Selma and our Old Age Security comes first.

tcrosse said...

During my last years of working I had to deal with some young women who had Daddy Issues. As a grey-haired gentleman I had to make it plain that I wasn't he.

Roughcoat said...

To all you younger-than-Boomer people:

"Don't trust anyone over thirty" was, like most catchphrases -- including negative one directed at you guys -- largely a media phenomenon, one promoted, promulgated, and exacerbated by the dumbbell media. I think maybe Jerry Rubin or Abbie Hoffman invented it. I didn't feel that way and I didn't know anybody who did.

Although we (I mean, boys from my age cohort) were plenty pissed off at the Greatest Generation civilian and military leadership who botched the Vietnam War and made it impossible to win.

Mary Beth said...



I hope you're being funny here by realizing that the world isn't built for short people either.

****

Ask reddit: It’s the year 2050 and the term “ok millennial” is trending. What are the reasons the young generation is using it?

I liked an answer where someone said the younger generation would be saying, "Okay, Lenny" (as a nickname for millennials). Every generation thinks the one before didn't do enough to improve the world in ______ category and ignores the improvements that were made. Then that generation goes on to improve some things but mess up in a new way.

I'm a boomer and I think "okay, boomer" is funny but it's becoming overused. If it's already being printed on stuff, it's almost past its use-by date.

If you think old people are the only group that it is okay to mock, try living in the southeastern U.S.

tim maguire said...

She looks much older than 46. They both have long thin faces and the wrong haircut for someone with a long thin face--they are not a good-looking couple. At least based on that picture.

I found turning 39 much harder than turning 40. When I was 38 and complained that I was almost 40, everybody said, "you are not!" When I turned 39, nobody said that anymore. When I did turn 40, I was already settled into it so nothing changed.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

I’ve been thinking about aging too as I turn 40 soon. Been paying attention to women who are older whom I think are attractive. It’s basically the same as what I’ve always thought lead to attractiveness: mind your weight, dress tastefully, drink lots of water, get enough sleep, manage your stress and mood like an adult, have a positive attitude, find humor in things, and don’t overdo it on makeup/jewelry/hair. Oh and for God’s sake don’t get cosmetic surgery; it always looks absurd. Women who all or most of the above look great into their old age.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

"...the Boomers cry of “Never trust anybody over 30.”

Weren't the "Boomers" who said that actually just one hippie, or yippie, who was about 35 at the time?

Unknown said...

It only took a week for “OK Boomer” to go from clever put-down; to a desperate retort employed by poorly-educated triggered millennial's.

Gospace said...

My wife is 62 and doesn't dye her hair. Has never dyed her hair. And doesn't have any gray in it, just brown.

I have all my hair, none of it brown anymore, but it's all there.

TNT320 said...

@Roughcoat right on with Emmylou Harris - here she is last year at the age of 71: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcWeYq9R8Uo

HoodlumDoodlum said...

The example of "OK Jews" is interesting, but probably not in the way the author meant.

Remember when the NYTimes hired Sarah Jeong and there was some controversy over her many anti-White tweets (saying white people should be cancelled, that she enjoyed seeing cruelty towards old white men, etc) but she kept her job and was defended by the Left and Media on the grounds that it's not possible to be racist against the dominant group. Prejudice, you see, is either only bad or only possible by the dominant/more powerful group against the less powerful. Since Jeong's target was white people she wasn't being racist and she got to keep her high-profile job.

Why doesn't the same reasoning apply here? "Jews" are usually seen as a less-powerful, less-dominant group so prejudice against them is wrong and grounds for social execution. Ok. But "Old People" as a group are the dominant ones, the more-powerful! It's supposed to be just fine for us to make fun of the powerful since that's "punching up."

The author tries to steal a trick by implicitly arguing that "Old People" occupy the same moral space as "the Jews" as a traditionally-oppressed group dominated by other groups and deserving of protection due to that status. But they're not; they're the dominant group and they shouldn't try to claim protection they don't deserve.


A dumb rube like me would have argued that irrational prejudice is wrong no matter who the target is and that we should all try to address people as individuals and not groups to the greatest extent possible...but our enlightened elites have made the rules and now ought to abide by them.

Mark said...

What is truly sad is how poorly educated the kids are. They are flocking to mental health services while in college. Suicide rates at MIT are 50% higher than average college students.

When their world-view comes crashing down following the inevitable clash with reality, but they cling to it enough to continue to reflexively reject age-tested traditional ideas of humanity (and God), they end up in nihilistic despair.

Char Char Binks, Esq. said...

Garner ye rosebuds while ye may

Ann Althouse said...

"Honestly not meant to be disrespectful but she does look older than 46."

True, but only because you're used to seeing women in their 40s (and way beyond) who dye their hair (and do other things to look like the young rather than the stereotypically old).

Ann Althouse said...

"Thank you for identifying her as a humorist. I wouldn't have known otherwise. It must be the New Yorker kind of funny that's not really, but it shows you're in the know."

I thought some of you would launch into criticizing what she said because you wouldn't see the humor. Men tend to expect women not to use humor and to miss everything that isn't beat-you-over-the-head-trying-to-be-funny.

Mark said...

So you have an article in the NY Mag demeaning old people followed by an article championing the killing of human life at the beginning of the spectrum.

Progressive mentality is inherently anti-human. It has contempt for everything.

mockturtle said...

Hoodlum asserts: "Jews" are usually seen as a less-powerful, less-dominant group

By whom?

Tank said...

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
I’ve been thinking about aging too as I turn 40 soon. Been paying attention to women who are older whom I think are attractive. It’s basically the same as what I’ve always thought lead to attractiveness: mind your weight, dress tastefully, drink lots of water, get enough sleep, manage your stress and mood like an adult, have a positive attitude, find humor in things, and don’t overdo it on makeup/jewelry/hair.


I would add: do not get a haircut that screams I am closed for business down there. Luckily for Meade, Althouse does not have such a haircut.

Mark said...

As for the boomers, as a group they’ve run up a tremendous national debt.

A lot of those boomers would reject you trying to shove them all into a single group.

Many of them have shouted until they are hoarse about the seeds of destruction that have been sown. If you want to credit anyone for the coming bankruptcy and economic crash, it is the Establishment types, which include oligarchs from both parties.

Ken B said...

Howard
OK Green Giant.

Mark said...

Now, I gotta go because my wife and I have to figure out how we’re going to accommodate Thanksgiving and Christmas with two sets of divorced boomer parents who all want to be the center of attention.

Boo hoo. Welcome to the club. Too many boomers are themselves children of divorce who have had to deal with divorced parents for the past 50-60 years.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Angle-Dyne said: I can also do without women whining about losing their social status as they lose their looks. You're dumb if you didn't see that coming, and dumb and boring (and pathetic)

Truly!! Your status changes all the time. Sure. You are no longer young, nubile, attractive, sexy, whatever. You lose that "status"/aspect of your life as you age and you gain another status/aspect. You will never be the YOU that you were at 18...32..60....and so on. This is normal. Accept it and use the strengths of each aspect.

The sad thing is when women refuse to acknowledge that the bloom is off the rose Instead of accepting the natural progression of life..... They try to cling to youth and become sad caricatures of themselves.

Having daughters is one of the best ways to face this "wake-up" call.

You see your young child growing into young womanhood and then into a full blown woman. You might even be jealous because she is what you used to be. It isn't a competition!.You can fight it or be proud that you have raised this beautiful young soul.

When my daughter was in that full bloom of youth stage, I knew that the limelight was no longer on me as the young ingenue. Time for me to step to the side of the stage. Her turn to shine in the spotlight.

My job is to be the supporting actress and help her to be the success that she should be. I still have roles to play on the stage. They are just different ones.

Mark said...

Regarding Keanu's girl -- she has a young(er) face than her hair gives her credit for. And it doesn't just look gray, it looks prematurely gray/silver. Never been a fan.

She'd look much better with a dye job.

Wince said...

Don't want to watch the whole series... so does anybody know what episode of "Katherine the Great" Helen Mirren fucks the horse?

My guess would be the last episode.

mockturtle said...

DBQ observes: You will never be the YOU that you were at 18...32..60....and so on. This is normal. Accept it and use the strengths of each aspect.

I would never trade what I know now for how I looked at 30.

tommyesq said...

[but] I think that the animosity toward the old is less economic than existential, less political than primal, less about student debt than about fear of one’s own ageing....

[S]he's just making that up. How could [s]he know that [the young] feel []vulnerable?.. This is the inside of [Prose]'s head, if I can judge by what [s]he's writing. I don't really know. Maybe [s]he's bullshitting, going for clicks...

My experience in discussing this, at least with Millenials, is that they are bothered by the particular policies of the Boomer generation that seemed to involve destruction of societal norms when they wanted personal freedom and an increasing clamp-down on freedom (both societal and economic) when aging Boomers decided someone else should pay the financial cost for the breakdowns they brought about.

Tina Trent said...

Francine Prose never really earned that name.

Mark said...

It has been true for a LONG time, but won't be appreciated until society, now in free fall, comes crashing down -- but tradition is the true counter-culture.

Meade said...

"Howard
OK Green Giant."

LOL

Bob Boyd said...

Don't want to watch the whole series... so does anybody know what episode of "Katherine the Great" Helen Mirren fucks the horse?

My guess would be the last episode.


Haven't seen it, but I was thinking she'd fuck a horse in every episode. It's kind of her signature move isn't it?

Mark said...

Biden is running for the same reason as Jurassic Hillary -- hubris and the fact that each has been in politics for so long that they don't know how to do anything else.

Both were tempted for a time to recede into retirement and enjoy life. Both for a time accepted that it would take a great effort that they really were not up to giving. But then their inherent arrogance and narcissism reasserted themselves. They both got in, but neither has/had the strength to endure, much less the humility of realizing that they actually have to earn it and not have it be handed to them.

Mark said...

I'm not sure that the Dems will want to fight one rich white guy from New York with another rich white guy from New York (after losing the last fight when they ran a rich white person from New York).

wildswan said...

Old age ain't for kids. When you understand what that means, you're in trouble and won't emerge alive. But you are free as you walk toward the execution - not rich, powerful or famous type of free - just free to look back at how you spent your life. Maybe clean up the place a bit before you leave. "Oh, be careful," they say at my elbow. "Well, one way or another," says death at the other elbow.

mockturtle said...

Per Laslo: The thinking of this column runs counter to some wise advice I once received from a older guy at a bus stop: you're only as old as the women you bang.

Per Katherine the Great: "You're only as old as the horses you fuck".

Meade said...

"Haven't seen it, but I was thinking she'd fuck a horse in every episode. It's kind of her signature move isn't it?"

Happy trails to you, Trigger!

Bob Boyd said...

"You're only as old as the horses you fuck".

She left the colts alone though, I'll give her that. She didn't have like, Epstein Barn Syndrome or anything.

Bob Boyd said...

Wow. There's a portrait of Catherine the Great over at Ace's mid-morning thread right now.
Coincidence?
No horses in the painting, but she's smiling, her cheeks are flushed and she looks a little dazed.
And she might be holding a riding crop.

JML said...

I'm embracing it. Maybe not so well...but a man's gotta do want a man's gotta do. I have this t-shirt I wear on occasion:

I never dreamed that one day I'd be a grumpy old man, but here I am, killing it!

When people tell me they love the shirt, I tell them to get off my lawn.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

"Rumored girlfriend?"

Howard said...

"Fee fi for fum" is better than the "you rang?" slur, but the pain is still real

Darrell said...

"Rumored girlfriend?"

The sextapes haven't come out yet.

There is always suspicion of "fake" in Hollywood.

Darrell said...

Somebody hand Jack a running chainsaw when Jack steps off the beanstalk.
Howard needs a good fall.

Bruce Hayden said...

“My wife is 62 and doesn't dye her hair. Has never dyed her hair. And doesn't have any gray in it, just brown”

Ditto here, and she gloats about it. But, at least her face is starting to get some lines. I think that she honestly believed that she was immune from that, since her father’s face never got lined and his hair stayed mostly black as he hit 90. But she is a woman, and they get lines more than en do.

The problem is that I am almost 7 years older, and grayed a bit prematurely. She keeps bringing up that the woman next door asked her, when they first met, if I were her pappy or some such. I tell her that anyone who sees us together assumes that I am rich enough to buy a trophy, and assume that she is that trophy.

It was almost 20 years ago, and I turned 50. One of the perks was a free AARP membership. So, I addd her to my policy, and gave her her very own AARP card. She was 43 at the time, and was not amused. I still drag out her replacement card (she destroyed the original, of course) when the occasion merits. (AARP being fairly far to the left, I never renewed my membership for actual money. Instead, I get mostly the same discounts with AAA, where I also get free towing).

Night Owl said...

Let's sit back and enjoy watching the insecure, emotionally stunted boomers argue and name-call with the insecure, emotionally-immature "zoomers" -- (is the what we call them now?). Which generation will out whine the other?

It's not instant karma, but if there's any generation that deserves to be mocked for being old, it's the insufferable "talkin' 'bout my g-g-generation" crowd.

BTW not all boomers are insecure and emotionally-stunted; it's just the ones who vote Democrat.

And finally, I'm reminded of the words of wisdom from my father regarding aging. In his waning years, he'd look at his child or grandchild lovingly, smile and say, "It's called gravity, and it's coming for you too."

Skippy Tisdale said...

"We had the slogan "Never trust anyone over 30."

Back in 1984, I was dating a woman who was just finishing up her business degree. Her emphasis was in finance. She used to say, "Never trust anyone under thirty. Thousand."

Amexpat said...

I think the "OK Boomer" phrase is great, even if directed at me. It's healthy that these fragile snowflakes come out of their cocoons and challenge the older generation. As long as they don't fold too quickly when we boomers push back.

Yancey Ward said...

Mockturtle wrote:

"I would never trade what I know now for how I looked at 30."

But would you trade it to be 30?

n.n said...

Our parents were right, whether it is color, sex, or age, diversity (and exclusion) breeds adversity.

Ralph L said...

I would add: do not get a haircut that screams I am closed for business down there.

Calling peter iron rails....

Freeman Hunt said...

My husband most enjoys talking to me. The two women my husband most enjoys talking to besides me are several decades older.

Getting old is fine as long as you're not a bore. On average, old people are a lot more interesting than young people. But young people take heart! You will one day be interesting too!

Freeman Hunt said...

zoomer: ok Boomer
boomer: no $ 4 u
zoomer: :(

Dan said...

WHEN YOU ARE OLD

When you are old and grey and full of sleep,
And nodding by the fire, take down this book,
And slowly read, and dream of the soft look
Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep;

How many loved your moments of glad grace,
And loved your beauty with love false or true,
But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you,
And loved the sorrows of your changing face;

And bending down beside the glowing bars,
Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled
And paced upon the mountains overhead
And hid his face amid a crowd of stars. ~ W. B. Yeats

Chris N said...

And yet another deeper question still tugs at me:

'Who gives a shit?'

Caligula said...

"What a raw deal! It’s going to happen to me, and if you’re a woman, it’s going to happen to you."

What's cruel is not so much women's declining sexual attractiveness with age, but that women start from such a high post-puberty peak and, after that, there's nowhere to go but down.

Whereas although most young men find competition for women their own age so intense that only the most attractive can expect much success, as men age they can look forward to increasingly high attractiveness relative to women their own age.

No doubt feminists would insist this is socially constructed, but I'd bet on Darwin.

FullMoon said...

Boomers gotta make a rule,
no using the phrase unless you are paying taxes and rent/mortgage.

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Maillard Reactionary said...

I have a sticker on my car that reads "I Used To Be Cool".

I cope with getting older in my usual fashion: Not giving a shit.

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Night Owl said...

What's cruel is not so much women's declining sexual attractiveness with age, but that women start from such a high post-puberty peak and, after that, there's nowhere to go but down....

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Attention from men dropped quickly after age 50--not all of us lose it after puberty, for your information-- and at 57 I'm quite relieved to be met with indifference from the opposite sex. I can sit alone and eat or read in public w/o some hero feeling the need to rescue me from my solitude. It's a cliché that women of a certain age are all desperate cougars on the prowl. Some women just vant to be left alone

mockturtle said...

But would you trade it to be 30?

No, Yancy. I would not. Every year I've lived is precious to me and I value every one.

mockturtle said...

I've read several biographies of Catherine the Great and not one has even hinted at equine involvement although they are quite up front about her active sex life and a Russian friend told me that in Russia there are numerous jokes about her appetites. I strongly suspect this horse thing is a rumor without foundation and I would certainly like to think so.

ken in tx said...

In the Bible, 2nd Kings, the elderly prophet Elisha, was taunted by young boys. Bears came out of the woods and ate them. A valuable lesson for all young whippersnappers through the ages.

Jupiter said...

'We had the slogan "Never trust anyone over 30."'

I recall that well, and have thought about it a lot over the years. At 18, it seemed a pretty good rule, although the limit was a bit high. In my 20's, I came slowly to understand that 30 was actually neither very "old" nor all that remote. By the time I was 32 or so, I had realized that it was not always a good idea to trust me.

"Age and guile beats youth and good intentions, every time."

mockturtle said...

In the Bible, 2nd Kings, the elderly prophet Elisha, was taunted by young boys. Bears came out of the woods and ate them. A valuable lesson for all young whippersnappers through the ages.

IIRC, they were mocking his bald head.

JamesB.BKK said...

The Professor's black pilling the girls? You as a girl lose value as you age? How sad, and incorrect. How about advising younger people to avoid some of the colossal errors you made, assuming you've correctly identified them. Helping others avoid hardship is invaluable. Your stock would be rising.

mockturtle said...

One thing I never do is let others put a value on me.

JamesB.BKK said...

But admittedly different conduct has different value. Hence actors conducting themselves better deliver better and therefore relatively more value, increasing their value. Letting this occur is not an available option. It's what makes the world go round.