"I’m a skeptic by profession, an Irish Catholic by baptism, culture and upbringing — lapsed but listening, like half of all Americans of my family’s faith. But I was no longer comfortable in the squishy middle; it was too easy. I’d come to believe that an agnostic, as the Catholic comedian Stephen Colbert put it, 'is just an atheist without any balls.'"
Nugget extracted from "One Cure for Malnutrition of the Soul" (NYT) by searching the page for "Trump." The column, by Timothy Egan, is subtitled "We are spiritual beings. That’s why I joined the millions of people who make some form of religious pilgrimage." We're told Egan has a forthcoming book “A Pilgrimage to Eternity: From Canterbury to Rome in Search of a Faith.”
I also searched the page for "global warming," "climate change," and "environment," because why does the cure for malnutrition of the soul have a big carbon footprint? Why not take your pilgrimage beginning at your own front door and walking to some American shrine?
Hey, I like my idea! What would your pilgrimage be? Egan's classic walk is 1,000 miles. Start at your door and walk a distance long enough to count as a "pilgrimage" that ends somewhere that you can conceptualize as a spiritual destination. Where do you go?
October 20, 2019
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Holy Hill...I like this idea
I'm sure I'd end up at some fabulous restaurant, like Franklin's BBQ or Per Se.
But, I'm a simple person.
If your carbon footprint is your main concern, the obvious thing to do is lie down and kick up your feet. You're already there, pilgrim.
The local library.
At first glance I mistakenly thought your idea of a pilgrimage was searching for the word “Trump” in the Times.
Art Garfunkel walks across America. He will walk for several days and then mark where he stopped - go back to his "life" - and then when able he returns to his stopping point and continues his walk. Which begs the question: are you walking to find faith, desire, health or to satisfy wanderlust. The Australians have a good term for it - they call it having a "walkabout". Where to and what for...does there have to be a reason?
And here's the site...
https://www.artgarfunkel.com/america_walk_quotes.html
But how do you get back?
Several years ago, my wife took the "El Camino de Santiago Pilgrimage" in Spain. Drove, hiked and biked for almost two weeks along a traditional Christian pilgrimage route ending at St. James Cathedral. She was editing a reference book on Jesuit history, got a lot of great photos for the book, did lots of original research. I was a little envious of that trip, but not at all jealous of a similar trip she took to India a year later. I don't think I could handle India for two weeks.
A journey of a dozen feet starts with a single step.
Down to the corner bar.
an agnostic 'is just an atheist without any balls.'"
Pretty much, and inwardly they are still a bit superstitious and afraid of what might happen if they commit a thought-sin against their society's dominant religion(s), so those religion(s) get an unwarranted deference.
For me not believing in the Semitic/Christian god is equivalent to not believing in Zeus, never having believed in either, the biggest difference being that there aren't a bunch of people emitting slogans like "If you don't believe in Zeus you'll believe in anything!"
Pilgrims are young folks seeking a home where God fellowships with them by faith. The Religious leaders try to sell them an amusement park and call that their duty. But the Great awakenings draw crowds to Camp Meetings like Trump does to KAGA rallies.
I play Bach or Allison Krauss during my afternoon naps. I'm not really informed by the presence of God, but I find it comforting to hear lullabyes sung or written by those who have religious faith. My place of pilgrimage is my bed. Very small carbon footprint beyond the odd fart.
i made mine last July 3, when i went to Gettysburg...
And stood where the 1st Minnesota Volunteer Infantry regiment stood,
when they decided (Immediately, and Without Question) to give their lives to save the Union
If you're an Iowan like me, that always thinks poorly of Minnesotans, go to Gettysburg
and see that sometimes, even Minnesotans are (were?) ready to pay the price
“Every man realized in an instant what that order meant–death or wounds to us all, the sacrifice of the regiment to gain a few minutes time and save the position” recalled Lieutenant William Lochren adding “And every man saw and accepted the necessity for the sacrifice”
A person can honestly believe that there's no way to know if there's a god or not, and believe it firmly. That's not any kind of weak atheism. Someone could also simply be undecided on the question, and therefore agnostic. I'm an atheist because I believe there is no god. That doesn't mean that agnostics are wishy-washy eunuchs afraid to take a stand.
Colbert is simply a partisan, compelled by his nature to choose a side. You can see him do that every night. He not only always anti-Trump, he takes the anti-Trump side on EVERY issue ahead of time, and that decides what he believes. I'm not convinced that he has balls, figurative or physical.
Egan seems to be not a pilgrim, but a tourist. He took a hiking trip and wrote a book about it while pretending to be religious.
Maybe a lapsed Catholic is someone who wants to go to Heaven, but not enough to give up Saturday night or Sunday morning to go to church.
"Art Garfunkel walks across America. He will walk for several days and then mark where he stopped - go back to his "life" - and then when able he returns to his stopping point and continues his walk."
I know about that, but my question is the carbon footprint. He has to keep getting back to the spot, walking some, then returning home, using fossil fuels for 2 long journeys so he can take a short journey on foot in a specific spot. Isn't that unconscionable elitist privilege? I visualize Greta Thunberg staring hatred at him.
"...an agnostic, as the Catholic comedian Stephen Colbert put it, 'is just an atheist without any balls.'" Good grief. I wouldn't take Colbert's recommendation for a good brand of toilet paper.
Lincolntf:
What’s the title of your wife’s book?
My last pilgrimage was to Nebraska’s Niobrara river where I could have been killed in the Norden Chute. My other pilgrimage was to the Conversion Chapel at Loyola on Easter.
I think Art Garfunkel gets Social Justice Offset Credits from the SJW/Green crowd, and his own conscience/ego, for years of being a proper Leftist.
Ooh, a teenage girl staring hatred at you: not particularly scary if you've ever had a teenage daughter, rather something you get accustomed to.
I live in a small town. It is the kind you see in the movies MGM use to make in the 30s and 40s. From here, as the crow flies, is the place where the turning point of the American Revolution began. All around, in the countryside and the towns, are signs and monuments dedicated to those who gave their all to establish a new nation.
In my town is a church that has a wall in front of its cemetery. It is said to be where the Hessians exercised their horses to keep them in shape for the pursuit of Washington's rebels.
I think about those men, far from home, fighting as mercenaries for their wages to suppress an insurrection.
Then I think about "the rebels," a ragtag bunch, ill equipped and putting everything they owned on the line for a dream.
In a world full of tumult, then as now, we have to remember what we are fighting and living for.
Tommy's on Beverly and Rampart in Los Angeles.
I visualize Greta Thunberg staring hatred at him.
Before or after she got on a plane to travel to her next appearance?
Timothy Egan wrote "The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl", which I read several years ago. It was outstanding.
@gilbar. I walked the entire battlefield of Gettysburg by day July 1st - 3rd one year. Stood exactly where my great great grandfather and namesake stood when he was wounded by artillery in the Peach Orchard. He was a private in the 2nd South Carolina Co A of Kershaw's Brigade of MacLaws Div of Longstreet's Corp. He made it from April of 1861 all the way to April of 1865 and was at Appomattox. It was a great 3 day walk unencumbered by shouted commands or lethal missles.
The Lincoln memorial, but why not drive?
David Begley, The Cambridge Encyclopedia of the Jesuits.
No relation, I suppose, to Cardinal Egan, although I confused them for a moment.
I seem to be missing something. What is wrong with having a decent sized carbon footprint? And, I would think that it was a good thing. For the most part, plants grow better with more CO2 in the atmosphere. During recent cold periods, the atmospheric CO2 got dangerously low. And, of course, with more plants growing better, humans do better as a species. What I don’t understand is why the Warmists and CAGW hoaxers like people starving and dying. Isn’t the moral position the one where the most people live comfortably and not hungry?
The Stone Pony, Asbury Park NJ.
"an agnostic 'is just an atheist without any balls.'""
Must everything be done "with balls."
What if there is a God and He doesn't like when you're doing "with balls" thinking? What if His favorites are the agnostics? How do you know they're not? I guess because you have "balls."
"For me not believing in the Semitic/Christian god is equivalent to not believing in Zeus..."
Our black Labrador is quite real. I am sure of it.
Taking the question seriously yet realizing I'm never walking 1,000 miles, so I might as well go big: My pilgrimage would be from Michigan to St John's Newfoundland. Whether I go via the Saint Lawrence Seaway (maritime-y route) to Labrador or via Boston and Cape Breton (friends and music route) depends on my mood. Maybe one route there and the other on the way home.
For Wisconsin Catholics, there are several interesting shrines one could walk to, including the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help, which is a site of confirmed Marian apparitions which I didn't know about until just now.
Christians straining to think of their religion as especially manly is an old tradition.
"Muscular Christianity is a philosophical movement that originated in England in the mid-19th century, characterised by a belief in patriotic duty, discipline, self-sacrifice, manliness, and the moral and physical beauty of athleticism. The movement came into vogue during the Victorian era as a method of building character in pupils at English public schools. It is most often associated with English author Thomas Hughes and his 1857 novel Tom Brown's School Days, as well as writers Charles Kingsley and Ralph Connor. American President Theodore Roosevelt was raised in a household that practiced Muscular Christianity.[1] Roosevelt, Kingsley, and Hughes promoted physical strength and health as well as an active pursuit of Christian ideals in personal life and politics. Muscular Christianity has continued through organizations that combine physical and Christian spiritual development.[2] It is influential within both Catholicism and Protestantism."
Kiawah (Cassique). By the time you’ve reach the 12th hole, you know where heaven is.
- Krumhorn
Well, as Nietzsche wrote, Christianity tends to make men wimpy and weak.
I could hardly believe this was a pilgrimage post -- when I have a nugget from my recent trip. This man's pilgrimage was to lick (yes I wrote lick) every cathedral in the UK: link
The Crusades were the first awakening of muscular Christianity. An armed pilgrimage to the Holy Land. Richard the Lionhearted and the Tuetonic Knights would've shrugged off concerns about carbon footprints: "Hoseshit!"
What luck that I have a pilgrimage story from my recent trip. This man vowed to lick every Cathedral in the UK. Yes, I did write lick.
Mount Shasta. 60 miles. Much of it on the Rails to Trails project.
Mt Shasta is a phenomenally beautiful and spiritual mountain. I love that I can look at it every day from the front of my property. See it daily as I drive around where I live. (Took this photo a few years ago from a lava bluff nearby while on a small drive around the area)
If I don't feel like walking anywhere I can sit on my back deck and look at more peaceful, restful, beautiful scenery and yet another volcano. Surrounded by volcanoes. Live dangerously I say :-)
Also...I don't give any thought to my "carbon footprint" because I think the whole thing is bullshit. However....My carbon footprint is actually quite small, just because that is how I live. Plus if those who lecture us about it really cared they would stop flying around the world, live in a small house and grow their own food. Until then......I don't care what they say. Put up or shut up.
"What I don’t understand is why the Warmists and CAGW hoaxers like people starving and dying. Isn’t the moral position the one where the most people live comfortably and not hungry?"
The environmentalist religion isn't about preventing global calamity. They're fervently hoping for it. They don't want "the most people to live comfortably and not hungry". They want humankind to die off, or at least they want to reduce the population enough to drive us into a new stone age. The apocalyptic visions of Paul Ehrlich and others were not warnings; they were their fondest dreams and wishes.
I’d come to believe that an agnostic, as the Catholic comedian Stephen Colbert put it, 'is just an atheist without any balls.'"
I prefer to keep my mind open to all possibilities. We don't know the answer to the questions of:
Is there a God?
Many Gods?
Is there a purpose to life?
Are there consequences for what we do in life?
....... then the BIGGIE
What happens after death?
We don't know. We might find out at the "end of the line". Why make up my mind or take sides on something that is just pure speculation.
Makes me think of Voltaire who on his death bed when asked by the Priests to renounce Satan said “Now, now my good man, this is no time to be making enemies."
Why was Jesus so muscular? He did cross training.
Turn off your TV, computer, tablet and whatever other electronic you own, and go outside and take a walk. Then sit outside at a bonfire. You don't have to be fixated on what they do EVERYDAY
"I was lookin' for love in all the wrong places"
You can look for meaning on the mountain or in the depths or in all the corners of the earth but you search in vain until you look within.
Atheism is an alternative, but you don't get as many holidays.
I'm about a thousand miles from New Orleans. My dream pilgrimage would be to awaken there with no idea how I had gotten there or what I had done, and penniless so that I would have to walk home a beggar.
I doubt that there's much difference between a pilgrimage and any other display of fitness. Genes are stubborn little things.
Easy question --
Every Sunday morning, I walk in the door of Grace Church Cathedral in Charleston. There, I—and my faith—are renewed, restored, and re-calibrated. EZ PZ.
I feel as if I'm setting out with others on the great annual climb into the regions of eternal snow and icy winds. We're passing through the bright forests of the lower slopes, right now. And I'm the whiniest member of the expedition - "I just don't see why the climb has to last from November to what? - March? - when we're coming down the other side and see a few snowdrops in the snow? April? - when, due to melting, you get to see that special snow that forms at the bottom of six foot drifts? Months above the snowline! I mean, that's excessive." The real Wisconsonites look away - what's the use of talking that way. Even I know it. So I'm trying to plan a short voyage to a sunnier spot. Call me runaway, call me pilgrim. Somehow, I'll slide right down the US of A from pine to palm. Damn the carbon - full speed ahead.
Agnosticism is the only logical starting point. You only move from that if you are 100% convinced that there is or isn't a God. I don't see how you can get to 100% either way without discarding reason.
My idea of a pilgrimage is to read Belloc's "The Path to Rome" - so much easier on the feet.
God is within all us; we don't have to fly anywhere to find him.
BTW, I've always found it weird how people talk about "The Trump era" "The Reagan era" "The Bush Years" like the POTUS somehow decides the culture or how people think about the world. Would Egan have gone on a pilgrimage if Hillary had won the election? What if trump had resigned, would he have gone in "The Pence Era"?
“Hey, I like my idea! What would your pilgrimage be? Egan's classic walk is 1,000 miles. Start at your door and walk a distance long enough to count as a "pilgrimage" that ends somewhere that you can conceptualize as a spiritual destination. Where do you go?”
Somebody should write a song about that! (Ear worm alert)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otXGqU4LBEI
“And if I haver up, yeah I know I'm gonna be
I'm gonna be the man who's havering to you
“But I would walk 500 miles
And I would walk 500 more
Just to be the man who walks a thousand miles
To fall down at your door”
Knoxville to Key West - 1000 miles, but I'd have to swim parts. Doubt they'd let me walk the bridge. Key West is simply a place my soul responds to. So is an obscure set of rocks in the middle of a river in the Smokies, but its only 25 miles away. I did make the pilgrimage there every Saturday in 1975 when I could drive it in 30 minutes. The map app tells me that it is now just over an hour.
Yes I attend a small church in the area, that is strong in the Word, they regard the Times as holy scripture, but it's mostly 'blank pages,'
Althouse said...
Must everything be done "with balls."
"I like you. You have balls. I like balls."
"In the vacuous tumult of the Trump era, I was looking for something durable: a stiff shot of no-nonsense spirituality."
When you start with that premise do you long for the durable spirituality of the Obama era?
"Is there a God?"
Sure. Why not.
"Many Gods?"
Just the one. Don't need any more.
"Is there a purpose to life?"
You give purpose to your life. god gave you instructions.
"Are there consequences for what we do in life?"
Yeah. but usually you pay for your sins and non-sins on an as you go basis
....... then the BIGGIE
"What happens after death?"
You'll find out
"stiff shot of no-nonsense spirituality"? Really? Was he a buggered altar boy as a child?
some heartless atztec wrote...
. It was a great 3 day walk unencumbered by shouted commands or lethal missles.
It was interesting, this July, to see crowds of people
wearing shorts
carrying cold drinks
walking from their cars a few hundred feet to an overlook on Little Round Top
Complaining about How HOT it was!
I bet it seemed a LOT hotter in July, 1863
wearing wool pants, jackets and hats
carrying rifles and ammo boxes (and haversacks)
walking from Virginia, and being shot at for the last two days
I would go to the redwoods, ancient trees that are also continuously renewing. I felt a spiritual continuity of life the two times I've been there. I noticed the new trees grow in a circle around the old trees and it let me to wonder just how old the mother tree of these circled tree was, and what tree did the mother tree circle. Or perhaps it came from a seed a thousand years ago. Who knows how old some of the mother trees were. That's where I would go, I would walk among the redwoods.
A teenage girl staring hatred at you: not particularly scary if you've ever had a teenage daughter, rather something you get accustomed to.
Indeed, a teenage girl staring hatred at you should be considered a badge of honor, especially if you want her to become a strong, independent adult.
Must everything be done "with balls."
Speaking for myself, “yes”
If the pilgrimage is meant to find a God then I would refer you to Matthew 25:37-40.
Not a lot of travel required.
I did the Camino de Santiago from Saint Jean Pied de Port to Santiago de Compostella in 2017. 480 miles. I walked every step of this pilgrimage as an athiest. It was a recurring thought along The Way how much more meaningful it would have been as a practicing Catholic.
Irishmen are always looking for a stiff shot of anything.
On Dec. 2, 2002 I walked about 6 blocks from my home to the former site of Stagg Field, where 60 years before, on Dec. 2, 1942, Enrico Fermi and his team achieved the first controlled nuclear fission chain reaction.
Not religious or "spiritual" (a word that I loathe), but giving honor to those who once did great things.
Well, in that context one certainly can't accuse Colbert now having balls. He certainly seems a total balls-to-the-wall true believer in the Cult of the State.
Must everything be done "with balls."
Well, not the girly things. Even then you should put your back i to it.
What if there is a God and He doesn't like when you're doing "with balls" thinking? What if His favorites are the agnostics? How do you know they're not? I guess because you have "balls."
Babe, we've covered this.
Revelation 3:16 KJV - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Lukewarm = no balls. Maybe you are such a howling cultural illiterate that you really HAVEN'T read the Bible?
I bet it seemed a LOT hotter in July, 1863
wearing wool pants, jackets and hats
carrying rifles and ammo boxes (and haversacks)
walking from Virginia, and being shot at for the last two days
10/20/19, 1:41 PM
Plus I bet their shoes were 100%.
Plus I bet their shoes were 100%.
10/20/19, 5:20 PM
Meaning, the Confederates' weren't. We moderns have shoes for this and that, shoes for style, shoes to throw away. The South, and the CSA, were desperately undersupplied with footwear. It has been suggested (some say it's myth: see https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/shoes_at_gettysburg#start_entry for more) that one reason that the CSA turned for Gettysburg was because there was a stock of shoes there from which the Rebel soldiers could be resupplied.
Anyway, if any of our hot moderns there had ever ever been forced to walk a mile barefoot, I'll carry them a mile.
Wanna commune with god
Wanna commune with god? Learn how to fly fish.
I can't think of anywhere that would be a destination which would change me spiritually. "Wherever you go, there you are."
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