I was born and raised in Texas so I’ve seen it. Millions of people today are praying that Dorian turn away from land, and treating those people with mockery or condescension because they believe it could help is part of how the overly secularized Left has lost lots of voters.
— Marianne Williamson (@marwilliamson) September 4, 2019
That's after she deleted her own post after it was mocked. Here's a screen shot:
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Atheists and Foxholes.
Millions of people today are praying that Dorian turn away from land, and treating those people with mockery or condescension because they believe it could help is part of how the overly secularized Left has lost lots of voters.
Bingo. The "overly secularized Left" is the main constituency of the Democrat Party, and the number one domestic enemy in the USA.
Marriane's shrakas have hit the gnostic target.
Marianne is simply just too considerate and tolerant for the modern Dem party.
Well also, they are rooting for death and destruction so they can use dead Americans as props to bash Trump with. Just as they did with Bush during Katrina.
So they already know that God will not listen to them.
I work for The Other Guy, and we are getting blasted with Envy Awards down here.
Yeah - most of the candidates running for D-power-whore, want to ban the use of the phrase "You are in our thoughts and prayers"
Her post really is nutty. But she is right in her tweet. You see real hatred and animus over at for example Coynes site whyevolutionistrue about this all the time. My dad died a few weeks ago. People tell me about their thoughts and prayers. They are being nice and solicitous.
I'm telling yas', Marianne and Trump need to join forces. L-O-VEE-EEE. Love.
Lefties have stopped even pretending to believe in a higher power. John Edwards circa 2004 would be considered as bad as Jerry Falwell nowadays.
"overly secularized Left"
Pretty soon she is going declare herself a moderate centrist, like someone around here, who just wants boring seriousness. Who wants a party that, like, sort of doesn't believe in God, like, moderately, rather than one that rejects God.
Anyway, Marianne, what's appropriately secularized, by your standards?
I work for The Other Guy
No surprise there - tho, I suspect you get most of your teachings (if any) from Anton rather than Aleister.
The Judeo-Christian faith advises a separation of logical domains. Notably the observation of a scientific or near (past, present, and future)-domain, where observation, replication, and deduction are processed. The religious/moral philosophy advises faith, works, and a conservative temperament. These features set them apart from other faiths, religions, and ideologies, theistic and secular.
That said, tolerance, not divergence. Principles, not diversity.
A 19 year old know it all tweets: I'm not saying for people not to do it I'm saying it objectively doesn't do anything to solve a problem
It provides Hope. A very powerful thing.
and any public figure saying it does isn't fit for office
President Obama prays
Pharisee Bootyjudge knows he is the pure Christian.
Purple Chuck: No surprise there - tho, I suspect you get most of your teachings (if any) from Anton rather than Aleister.
Help I'm being stalked from thread to thread by a Purple LLR. LOL.
Release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me.
they are rooting for death and destruction
Just as they did at the border, and AOC and squad through their childish antics that denied funding, denied civil rights, harassed businesses and citizens, and endangered Americans, legal residents, and illegal aliens, too.
Let me try to defend MW:
"The Bahamas, Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas...may all be in our prayers now."
This is good. A nice acceptable sentiment. "Thoughts and prayers" may not work, may be insufficient, but it's a good start to show sympathy, empathy and good intentions.
"Millions of us seeing Dorian turn away from land is not a wacky idea; it is a creative use of the power of the mind."
Well......If she had stayed with the first sentence, it might have been better. If you have to deny the wackiness of an idea, you're behind the wacky 8 ball. "Creative use of the power of the mind" goes down a path most sane folks don't go.
"Two minutes of prayer, visualization, meditation for those in the way of the storm." Myself, I would prefer "prayer" to "visualization" or "meditation". The last two augment the wackiness factor.
At bottom, it's a good, positive sentiment -- tinged a bit with harmless new-age wackiness.
Of course, Democrats only see MW as a minor potential threat to their Dem candidate. Since their ego, religion, self-worth, and raison d'etre are all wrapped up in the singular, focused, narrow-minded cause to defeat Trump, well, that's why they trash MW.
It would appear that the left schism is progressing, and the various sects are, perhaps unwittingly, revealing their true nature.
As said in the previous thread, she’s the most sane D candidate, including the D candidate that’s not a D.
John Edwards circa 2004 would be considered as bad as Jerry Falwell nowadays.
Not so. Dems will always make allowances for those (like Obama) whose belief is a facade.
Aw isn't she just SO cute?
OK, Fen, flesh out the old "Atheists in Foxholes" schtick. Would that include foxholes full of Nazis and Red Army soldiers circa 1944? VC in their spider holes? Terrorists in Fallujah? (OK admittedly they worshipped a god that sucks ass, so that's not a good example.)
BTW Obama isn't fit for public office.
Narr
You been in one foxhole, you been in 'em all?
At bottom, it's a good, positive sentiment -- tinged a bit with harmless new-age wackiness.
A touch of the mystical, which is present in every secular, theistic, and other movement. Perhaps they are right, but it cannot be observed and replicated in the scientific (near) domain. So, when should scientific, historical, political, and social myths be taken seriously?
Anyone who expresses or believes her superstitious and childish ideas that humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying or using "powers of the mind" deserves to be mocked.
God protects drunks, fools and the United States of America.
"Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." Matthew 17:21, NIV
OK, Fen, flesh out the old "Atheists in Foxholes"
I'm just referencing the old adage that men who mock God suddenly pray like fervent monks when they find themselves in a foxhole.
Fervent Monks. Good name for a garage band. Oh... here's some interesting background:
The statement "There are no atheists in foxholes" is an aphorism used to argue that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as during war ("in foxholes"), all people will believe in, or hope for, a higher power (and there are therefore no atheists).
The origin of the quotation is uncertain. The U.S. military chaplain William Thomas Cummings may have said it in a field sermon during the Battle of Bataan in 1942, though scholars have been unable to find a firsthand witness to the sermon.
Other sources credit Lieutenant Colonel Warren J. Clear (or the anonymous sergeant he spoke with there), who was also at Bataan and published the usage in 1942; or Lieutenant Colonel William Casey. The phrase is often attributed to war correspondent Ernie Pyle; however, no such source published prior to Pyle's death is known.
It was also quoted by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in remarks broadcast from the White House as part of a February 7, 1954, American Legion Program. With slightly different wording, the statement appears much earlier in press reports dating from the end of the First World War... - wiki
"[T]he atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts." ~ Werner Heisenberg
"Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it." ~ Pascual Jordan
"When the province of physical theory was extended to encompass microscopic phenomena through the creation of quantum mechanics, the concept of consciousness came to the fore again. It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to the consciousness." ~ Eugene Wigner
"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment." ~ Bernard d'Espagnat
"Is it not good to know what follows from what, even if it is not necessary FAPP? [FAPP is Bell's disparaging abbreviation of "for all practical purposes."] Suppose for example that quantum mechanics were found to resist precise formulation. Suppose that when formulation beyond FAPP is attempted, we find an unmovable finger obstinately pointing outside the subject, to the mind of the observer, to the Hindu scriptures, to God, or even only Gravitation? Would that not be very, very interesting?" ~ John Bell
"In the beginning there were only probabilities. The universe could only come into existence if someone observed it. It does not matter that the observers turned up several billion years later. The universe exists because we are aware of it." ~ Martin Rees
There is nothing wrong with her tweet about prayer and meditation. The fact the cult-left made her feel as if she needed to delete it - wow.
Fen: "...we are getting blasted with Envy Awards". You crack me up!
That is a very legitimate observation by Ms. Williamson. I guess we'll see how large the disconnect between Democratic candidates and their putative voters is as we get closer to the nomination.
Thou shalt have no greater god before me and the State.
*Cult of Bernie, chapter 10 verse 5.
Didn't Hillary commune with Eleanor Roosevelt? Why, yes, I believe even Snopes called it "mostly true."
Didn't the Democratic Party recently embrace atheists? Why, yes, I believe they did.
Why would anyone vote for a Democratic politician?
By the way, I'd wager that the majority of the people in the Parish where I attend mass are Democrats. Hey, weren't the Kennedy's Catholic?! Is it really passe in "decent" society to pray?
better a vibe of well-wishing cast your way,
than the spiteful spirit of the Left.
It's better to "light a candle", than curse your adversary
such as "I hope Mar-a-Lago gets wiped out"
Benevolent Lib Batshit Beats Malevolent Lib Batshit any day.
Prayers of the righteous are not for evil to happen. That is a big waste of time to shamans.Their job is to cast spells ,!impose curses. and do whatever they can to stop the prayers of the righteous. But more and more refusing all power in either is looking like an attempt to remain neutral.
I don't understand mocking prayer. If you don't believe in prayer, believe in something else or just believe in nothing at all... why bother with what other people's harmless actions are?
That was a rhetorical question and the answer is (IMNSHO) that the mockers think that they are smarter, better and above everyone else. That inflated ego is going to get them in trouble.
Prayer. Can't hurt. Might help.
A scientist is a skeptic, but prayers require faith in a living God.
"Who is this, that even the Wind and Sea obey Him?"
My presumption is that many of those 'millions of people praying' have been in fact praying i.e. more or less practicing orthodox Jewish, Christian, and Muslim beliefs, and not attempting to use their minds to avert catastrophic weather (which I do find mockable). In my experience of leftists etc, they manage to suffer adepts of the Williamsonian and similar pagan New Age nonsense in the fold, for the present, anyway; useful idiots.
I have become more anti-anti religious the older I get. If you don't believe in the bible or think God as a construct is ridiculous, fine. No problem. But please can you stop acting virtuous and superior as you shit on people trying to provide some comfort in their own way. I think Tom Wolfe had pointed out in a lecture that we were probably a healthier society when we were still looking over our shoulder at an "imaginary" deity than the godless void we ushered in after we killed religion.
The left believes in the twin saints of Pelosi and Schumer. They are having a bit of trouble swallowing Nadler and Schiff as part of the choir of angels.
A lot of people in the world believe a lot of different things--there are the various major religions which, in most cases, have as much validity as the current cult of global warming. There is also a cult of the "consensus of scientists". But the reality is that science is not conducted by consensus. It's conducted by challenging and disproving conventional wisdom.
It is surprising how many different climate change/global warming cultists (okay "advocates for their theory") have predicted the end of the world in X, Y, or Z number of years.AOC and her crew aren't on to anything new. There have been numerous prophets of doom here in the USA in the last couple of hundred years predicting that--for one reason or another-- the world will come to an end on a specified date.
I'm willing to let other people have their religious faith, secular religion, cult etc without criticizing any of them too much But I don't want them imposing their views on me.
I know that praying that way, even if there is no one God in the form of a Father or a Mother receiving my prayer, I know that by this act of praying in the desert, out of love (because I wouldn't pray otherwise), something might be already good in myself, like a therapy in some way. I know that by doing this, I try -- not necessarily succeed -- to affirm and accept something in myself which won't do any harm to anyone, especially to me. The impression that I do something good to myself, that's a calulation, and by the same token to my beloved ones. If, through this prayer, I am a little better and reconciled, and if I give up any calculation, because of this calculation around the incalculable, I can become better for myself, narcissistically. But to become better narcissistically is a way of loving in a better way, of being more lovable for our beloved ones. That's a calculation; it's a calculation which strives to integrate the incalculable...
- Derrida (speaking extemporaneously)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyOWAcpIaB8&t=1480s
Fernandistein: “Anyone who expresses or believes her superstitious and childish ideas that humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying or using "powers of the mind" deserves to be mocked.”
Yeah, kind of like how anyone who expresses or believes superstitious, childish and pseudo-scientific doomsday ideas like Anthropogenic Climate Change — a theory claiming (amidst a bevy of other wild assertions) human beings have increased the frequency or intensity of “extreme weather events” like Hurricane Dorian. Such people deserve to be mocked, too.
The funny thing is that the people in the above example think they are really, really smart because they have computer models that predict the future trends of wildly complex meteorological phenomena. Kind of like those claiming clairvoyance using crystal balls, potions and chakras.
Both are bunk, yet Anthropogenic Climate Change is believed by Democrats using the powers of their magnificent collective mind.
The only prayer the secular cult left approve of is the prayer for the destruction of Mar-A Lago.
Power of prayer and power of the mind not the same thing.
Some of the most serious religious voices now are progressives who are deeply embedded in the Episcopal Church, the PCUSA, the seminaries, etc.
And some of the least serious religious voices are people like Marianne Williamson and Donald “The Fucking Evangelicals” Trump.
Chuck: “Some of them he most serious religious voices now are deeply embedded in the Episcopal Church, the PCUSA, the seminaries, etc.”
Which voices would those be, Chuck? Names, please.
Which seminaries would those be, Chuck? Names, please.
Because it seems to me that — as the Episcopal and Presbyterian churches have become so “serious” — the size of Mainline Protestant weekly congregations have diminished beyond repair.
A singular focus on a myopic form of “social justice” has a way of doing that. Evangelical churches don’t follow that recipe.
Fen: A 19 year old know it all tweets: I'm not saying for people not to do it I'm saying it objectively doesn't do anything to solve a problem.
No, it doesn't, but how many people engaging in intercessory prayer think that it does? Is that what they think they're doing by praying? (I have no doubt that some percentage does.) I know sincere believers who always say they're praying for somebody with this or that affliction, but I don't get the impression it's because they believe that praying is going to turn hurricanes or cure a friend's terminal cancer. As a practice it's looks to be one part an attempt to come to terms with the first noble truth, one part an attempt at theodicy.
But I cut 19-year-old know-it-alls some slack, having once been one myself. For the most part they haven't lived long enough to understand the former, and in consequence, don't have any impulse toward the latter.
“Marianne is simply just too considerate and tolerant for the modern Dem party.”
Maybe she can be convinced to become a Republican.
The Episcopalians are some of the most serious voices??? You have out done the astonishment meter with that one.
Oh, and from the top of your head on those examples, Chuck... no Googling.
Left to Maryanne" - You're not helping us mock and belittle Christians who support Trump.
Fernandistein: “Anyone who expresses or believes her superstitious and childish ideas that humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying or using "powers of the mind" deserves to be mocked.”
That's one option. Perhaps even a good one. Let's set it aside for the moment, and consider the alternatives. Does she recognize a value in faith (i.e. trust)? Perhaps it has a placebo effect. Perhaps it engenders a productive union of individual hopes, dreams, thoughts, and actions. Does she conflate logical domains?
Trump Holds Up Map Suggesting Hurricane May Hit Coast Of Middle-Earth
"Some have been saying the hurricane won't threaten the Rohirrim or those in the Mines of Moria," said Trump. "But this is wrong. Totally wrong. You need to get out of there. Maybe go to Minas Tirith, there's a very good wall there. One of the best. Seven walls, actually. Tremendous country, Gondor."
Sources in the White House also claim Trump has offered to buy Middle-earth in the past but never received an official response as it is not a real place.
The secularized left prostrates themselves before mortal gods. That said, it's over, here's to progress, throw another baby... fetus on the barbie. Let us bray.
I would not attend a church that would insist on any political allegiance. Left or right, D or R.
The Episcopalian church made a progressive leftist turn. Yuck. What a turn-off.
A 19 year old know it all tweets: I'm not saying for people not to do it I'm saying it objectively doesn't do anything to solve a problem
We don't know that it (prayer) has no effect or that it does have an effect.
I would bet that this 19 yr old believes inQuantum Physics and Quantum Entanglements because it is Science....with a CAPITAL S.
If he can believe in the above, then why dismiss the belief in prayer and the energy of the mind.
(Note: I'm not advocating for prayer to turn a hurricane around....but....being the Agnostic that I am in life, I'm not dismissing it either)
good grief, the episcopal church is the cubix zirconia, of modern faith, it's what would make henry tudor, doubt his life work, wonder if calvin Wesley or luther would agree,
Paris is worth a mass - Henri IV
All of the Democrat candidates have bad ideas, based on erroneous views of human nature, the proper relationship between citizens and the State, and an o'erweening faith in the ability of government to improve human lives (or at least the lives of themselves and their henchmen). Several of them are just plain bad people as well, but I don't think that Marianne belongs in that group. I think her intentions are good, even if her ideas aren't. I can't say that for most of the rest of the Democrats.
Fen said...
"OK, Fen, flesh out the old Atheists in Foxholes'" -- Narr
I'm just referencing the old adage that men who mock God suddenly pray like fervent monks when they find themselves in a foxhole.
As someone was in harms way, I know exactly what you are talking about, Fen. While I was not in a foxhole, I was shot, but things were going on so fast and furious, and I, for the life of me, could not recite a prayer. Been a long time ago, and I cannot even remember what prayer I was try to say, but it was the first thing that came to me. Trying to stay alive will trigger all kinds of reactions.
So, if I say legitimately hope everything turns out for the best,is it not a simple non religious prayer?
Religions are sets of rules.
I prefer guidelines.
"tho, I suspect you get most of your teachings (if any) from Anton rather than Aleister.
9/5/19, 3:25 PM"
Crowley was a much better read. Also a way more interesting life.
(Note: I'm not advocating for prayer to turn a hurricane around....but....being the Agnostic that I am in life, I'm not dismissing it either)
That's a reconcilable position. It's worth noting that some of the most productive people in the world, in history, in science, in economics, in self-defense, in charity, with duck dynasties, would also pray. You can have your faith and secular achievements, too. In fact, the Judeo-Christian faith advises it, their religion tempers it. There is no intrinsic conflict. Principles matter.
A man can learn a lot about himself in those situations.
Anyone who expresses or believes her superstitious and childish ideas that humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying or using "powers of the mind" deserves to be mocked.
Great! Now do the people who think more laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
A 19 year old know it all tweets: I'm not saying for people not to do it I'm saying it objectively doesn't do anything to solve a problem
It already redirected the hurricane away from Florida.
Apparently those who prayed for a direct strike on Mar-a-Largo were overwhelmed by those praying for it to divert.
In short: Don't Pray Against Texas.
Once more, the savage thinks he can make the wind to blow or to be still.
C.S. Lewis said, “I pray because I can't help myself. I pray because I'm helpless. I pray because the need flows out of me all the time, waking and sleeping. It doesn't change God. It changes me.” (The script-writers used the last two sentences in the movie Shadowlands, which I just happened to re-watch yesterday.)
No thoughtful Christian believes that "humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying". They do believe that God could change the course of a hurricane, which of course is true (if there's God).
If you want to mock Christians or other believers for their beliefs, fine, go knock yourself out. If we conclude from your mockery that you are a shallow, thoughtless person, well, you're tough enough to take it, aren't you?
Well, she is an idiot: Storms know nothing of human prayers, or tears, for that matter. But then Marianne Moonbeam only recently discovered that the Leftists are mean. (Say what you like, but she does seem to be trainable, at length and with patience, unlike some other Dems.)
Chuck said...
Some of the most serious religious voices now are progressives who are deeply embedded in the Episcopal Church, the PCUSA, the seminaries, etc."
What a joke. The Episcopal Church, the PCUSA and other mainline Protestant denominations have been hemorrhaging members for decades now.
Since you're a leftist and also reliably wrong about everything, I can understand why you praise them.
Thanks, Fen. (Not all atheists "Mock God" but leave that be.)
Of course I'm pretty well aware of the origins and use of the phraseology, I just like to interrogate the presumptions that are built in to the formula. The old jibe is of course intended to insult those who lack faith ('S'OK we're used to it) as being naive, unworldly(!), and probably cowardly.
But there's scant empirical evidence that it's true--particularly since it's so common (we see it in the thread) to conflate belief in God/prayer with hoping like hell to survive a dangerous situation. Even I have done the latter.
Narr
I hereby challenge any Satanist reading this: a fight to death-- you and your Big Lover Boy vs me and my 45cal.
The Godfather said...
C.S. Lewis said, “I pray because I can't help myself. I pray because I'm helpless. I pray because the need flows out of me all the time, waking and sleeping. It doesn't change God. It changes me.” (The script-writers used the last two sentences in the movie Shadowlands, which I just happened to re-watch yesterday.)"
That's it. To think of God as Santa Claus who will do whatever you want if you ask nicely enough is a child's view of religion. It's also childish to assume that all religious people think that way.
Exiled.. two fantastic posts. Thank you.
Contra Marianne:
"As residents of Florida brace themselves and begin to evacuate their homes in anticipation of a life threatening hurricane heading for Florida, radical leftists are taking to Twitter to pray that it destroys Mar-a-Lago.”
Oh Lord, smite mine enemies, is a timeless classic prayer, never goes completely out of fashion.
@ Full Moon So, if I say legitimately hope everything turns out for the best,is it not a simple non religious prayer?
It is a prayer if you feel that it is. There really aren't (or shouldn't be) any hard and fast rules about praying or belief. If YOU believe, or if YOU feel that you have prayed and that you MEANT it, then who is to say that it is NOT a prayer.
We traveled all the time and rarely went to church. I had a relative who was strict in her religion and critical of our family's nomadic lifestyle. She scared me and I asked my parents. I was told that God doesn't live in a building, and he isn't stationed up on an altar in a little golden box. God is in your heart and in the beauty of the world around us. God is in your beliefs.
I'm still agnostic, and prefer my parent's 'Laissez-faire' attitude to religion as opposed to my bible thumping rigid relative.
Exiled said: To think of God as Santa Claus who will do whatever you want if you ask nicely enough is a child's view of religion. It's also childish to assume that all religious people think that way.
That is very wise. It was also another thing my parents said when discussing religion, God and praying.
You can ask God, even whine annoyingly at God. Just because you didn't get the result you wanted doesn't mean that God isn't listening or answering your prayers.
Sometimes the answer us just No. Doesn't hurt to ask, if your belief is that there is a God who is listening. Just be prepared to not always get what you want.
(My parents always talked to us like we were miniature adults with functioning brains....well except for the "Don't make me come back there!!!" threats in the car when we were fighting) :-D
Then there are those who believed in Peak Oil.
The Episcopal Church, the PCUSA and other mainline Protestant denominations have been hemorrhaging members for decades now.
Spoken like a new line Episcopal like the bishop who sold the church to a developer because the congregation rejected the leftism of the PCUSA> He had it fenced off. It didn't matter that the congregation had built the church.
The Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles is wrapping up a deal to sell St. James the Great Episcopal Church in Newport Beach to a real estate developer.
Diocese spokesman Robert Williams said the church is nearing the end of negotiations to sell the church property at 3209 Via Lido and the parking lot across 32nd Street to Legacy Partners for about $15 million. The offered price is about double the property’s assessed value, Williams said. St. James’ turbulent history includes an Episcopal-to-Anglican switch and a lengthy court battle.
A Legacy Partners representative said the company had no immediate comment.
Church services likely will continue into the fall, Williams said; after that, parishioners probably will have to look for another house of worship.
Now I really am convinced Chuck is a leftist liar.
Now am i unfair in claiming Ann is a Christian basher?
Yes, the Left should wait until AFTER it gets enough votes to Mock them.
Alternate Williamson. Cool it with the OVERT anti-religion. Be more subtle. We want the LEFT to win. But, so don't be so honest. Lie a little about your hatred of religion. Wait till you got power.
Now am i unfair in claiming Ann is a Christian basher?
I don't know that I'd go that far, but she does appear to have a problem with Catholics.
This is where I come to read Christians slamming other Christians.
give sybill the soothsayer props for admitting there is a higher power, demerits for not being able to solidly articulate it,
$15 million can pay for a lot of LBQBT marriage ceremonies and Pastoral retreats to Maui.
Just sayin'
now the theological explanation, is that climactic turmoil, like death and illness, is a manifestation of our separation from god's kingdom, but that's too far removed from today's concerns, so it's easier to believe in the skydragon, which must be appeased,
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/cnn-climate-town-hall-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-nuclear-power.html
To be fair, many of us treat those who would ban plastic straws with mockery and condescension.
This may have been mentioned already, but the people of the Bahamas were themselves asking, "Pray for us."
Secular forms of prayer, like meditation, just aren't persuasive when championed in the public sphere. The person invoking spiritual powers isn't identifying or acknowledging any source of those powers that resides in the spiritual realm, because that would be God or at least a god.
Gaia was unavailable for comment. <-- sarcasm
Why do people pick fights over this stuff? If someone believes prayer is helpful, why condescend or criticize, there is no harm to you? Are you just trying to establish your own superiority or somesuch?
lolgf
I've never been in combat, but have been in several dangerous "Am I going to die?" situations. Auto accident and also a near fatal drowning. I can say, that I was too busy reacting and hoping to stay alive to think "Deep thoughts". I'd have prayed if, I had thought about it - or had time.
German soldiers, in WW II, were told that God was with them. "Got Mit Uns" was embossed on their belt buckles. Russian soldiers were told that the spirit of Mother Russia was with them. The Japanese believed that their Emperor was a god. No army sends their troops into battle without giving them some form of spiritual solace.
The Godfather asserts: No thoughtful Christian believes that "humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying". They do believe that God could change the course of a hurricane...
Yes. It is amusing to hear dignitaries announce that their 'prayers go out to the victims and their families'. The prayers should be directed to God alone.
Yeah, how many non believers have said "Please God, no traffic today"
Please God, No rain today.
Please god, no Vd tomorrow?
'prayers go out to god, for the victims and families' I don't think that's such a big deal,
readering: "This is where I come to read Christians slamming other Christians."
LOL
We have witnessed 3 straight years of leftists/LLR-leftists across the board attempting to Christian-shame republican voters and Pete Butty-whatever seems to be building his entire campaign around the theme of Trump voters aren't Christians and readering offers this one up!!
As with the Messing "mess", we find readering hopelessly ill informed and/or willfully blind as to what has been going on.
History began anew this morning. Again.
Mark said...
This may have been mentioned already, but the people of the Bahamas were themselves asking, "Pray for us."
9/5/19, 5:49 PM
And many of us did. The reality is, God is concerned with souls, not property, not even lives. The seeds planted this last week may take years to fruit.
...or even, an eternity.
At least Trump is not in a bidding war for the most extreme voters in his party the way the Democrats are. I guess they expect an Etch-a-Sketch shake for all of this nutjobbery they are being forced into by the Twitter primary.
I had a relative who was strict in her religion and critical of our family's nomadic lifestyle. She scared me and I asked my parents
Yeah, mom asked why I was crying:
"The nuns say I am bad and am going to Hell"
Mom tells me, "Don't worry, that's a long time from now".
Once again, I make the argument:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SHEPMJS/status/1169740228992499712
Zogby found 21% support for Trump among black voters.
Harvard Poll 25%
HarrisXSR 23%
Tell me again how Trump loses in 2020.
God protects drunks, fools and the United States of America.
And I am thus triple qualified.
I pray daily for my God to remove the obsession to drink alcohol from me. So far, so good. It wasn't until I asked Him to do that that my daily drinking ceased. I didn't ask anyone else.
The C.S. Lewis quote is spot on.
THEOLDMAN
I left the Episcopal Church years ago when it went Hard Left. I currently attend a mega church, Christ Fellowship, which is non-denominational Christian. I enjoy it.
German soldiers, in WW II, were told that God was with them. "Gott Mit Uns" was embossed on their belt buckles
That was mainly a holdover from the Prussian days. According to the regime at the time, there is no God, just as many today proclaim. Rather, they professed "Hitler is our salvation" (which is the translation of "Heil Hitler").
Blogger rhhardin said...
I know that praying that way, even if there is no one God in the form of a Father or a Mother receiving my prayer, I know that by this act of praying in the desert, out of love (because I wouldn't pray otherwise), something might be already good in myself, like a therapy in some way. I know that by doing this, I try -- not necessarily succeed -- to affirm and accept something in myself which won't do any harm to anyone, especially to me. The impression that I do something good to myself, that's a calulation, and by the same token to my beloved ones. If, through this prayer, I am a little better and reconciled, and if I give up any calculation, because of this calculation around the incalculable, I can become better for myself, narcissistically. But to become better narcissistically is a way of loving in a better way, of being more lovable for our beloved ones. That's a calculation; it's a calculation which strives to integrate the incalculable...
- Derrida (speaking extemporaneously)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyOWAcpIaB8&t=1480s
"Narcissistically." Yes, that's the word I should be searching for whenever I think about Derrida. I prefer rhhardin.
No! No, no, no! It’s not about treating Christians with “mockery or condescension.” Or at least it’s not only about “treating those people with mockery or condescension.” It’s the raw, mindless, hatred coming from the left in general and the gay component of their identity group politics in particular towards Christians that turns lefties who proclaim their “tolerance” to be at best idiots and at worst outright liars. I’m an atheist, but given a choice between living among devout Christians and intolerant (not to mention intolerable) lefties, give me Christians ten days a week.
DBQ: It is not a question about whether you "believe in" QM or not. It is a matter of making some sense of what the instruments tell us when we do experiments.
Some interpretations of QM (a few examples from Roy Lofquist above), or layman transcriptions of such interpretations, seem to suggest that there is no "reality" unless we are there to observe it. No one, even scientists, seriously believes this. It is a way of expressing frustration at our hard-won but incomplete knowledge of Nature. We think we understand some things very well, but the whole thing doesn't quite add up yet with the ideas we currently have.
QM is very successful at predicting the statistics of experiments done on so-called "entangled particles", including many that have been set up to carefully avoid any possible "classical" explanation. OTOH, QM has no notion of space-time or the odd things that happen when observers compare notes on some event when moving relative to each other at high speeds. We know that relativity cannot be BS because the GPS system, which is known to work, cannot work unless we make relativistic corrections due to the motion and position of the satellites (both matter, but the motion is more important, if I recall correctly). Einstein's General Relativity in a sense makes the GPS system possible. QM makes the transistors in the chips in your GPS receiver possible. But they are two (somewhat) disjoint ways of looking at the world.
The bottom line is, Nature is what it is, and if we have a problem with it, too bad.
No sane person would claim that either GR or QM is a complete description of Nature, but better theories and more precise experiments are always possible. That is the difference between our always imperfect science and nonscientific belief.
Claims that human prayers affect storms, volcanoes, incoming asteroids, or the stock market for that matter, cannot be falsified even in principle. They are a dead end, futile, a waste of time and effort, and rather undignified, really. Even though harmless, if not taken too far.
When there's nothing else we can do to change the world, we can at least be nice to each other. That is always under our control.
Leftys believe they can turn aside all the consequences of their misrule in the big cities by talking loudly about Trump. Then they say Christians are fools engaged in magical thinking.
Hey I just realized that in Marianne Williamson's Sep. 4 tweet, she forgot about the suffering people of storm-ravaged Alabama.
Had my usual Wednesday lunch with a friend. For 10 years we met for prayer and read a chapter from the Bible. He got married and moved 10 miles away. Now we only meet once a week.
He told me:
Sunday at midnight his son came in to and told my friend that he broke a glass. It needed to be cleaned up. My friend swept up the glass. Then took a comforter outside, next to the garage, to shake it out. As he shook, he heard a familiar meow from the garage. Their cat was accidentally locked in the garage. If his son had not broken the glass, the cat might not have been found for days with no food or water. We saw the hand of God, for others just coincidence.
Right after my son was diagnosed with the cancer that killed him, I offered my grief to God as a gift. During the dark months of trial, I knew God was with me. I saw divine appointments along the way, as i was blessed and blessed others. He does not promise easy. He does promise He will be with us.
Be careful what you pray for. Your prayer will be answered, just not the way you think it should be. The most important part of prayer is listening, but most churches do a terrible job of teaching how to hear God.
’...she forgot about the suffering people of storm-ravaged Alabama.’
Well, it is a little windy here at the moment, but nothing that my healing crystals and a pimiento cheese sammich can’t ameliorate.
This is it. 100%
ie, praying It doesn't change God. It changes me.”
The proper attitude for prayer is for the knowledge of Gods will, and the courage to carry it out.
Marianne needs to create the Unicorn Party.
heh, beasts, lynyrd skinner was thinking of chuck,
lol, narc - glad it missed y’all, as well. :)
Prayer saved Alabama..
Hey I just realized that in Marianne Williamson's Sep. 4 tweet, she forgot about the suffering people of storm-ravaged Alabama.
The left has a God they believe in, their God is environmentalism. People have a need to believe in something, for liberals it's environmentalism.
#StrongBrianStelterFanboy Chuck: "Hey I just realized that in Marianne Williamson's Sep. 4 tweet, she forgot about the suffering people of storm-ravaged Alabama."
On both Aug 29 and Sep 2, the National Hurricane Center published maps that showed southern Alabama in range for high winds, storms and potential flooding.
LLR Chuck is lying for his democrat allies again.
As always.
Unexpectedly!
LOL
So. Much. Winning.
Well organized I like your writings. Its very informative thanks for sharing.
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Prayers to God to affect a hurricane are but an example of asking for a miracle. Miracles are never scientific. Well, they ARE; they are God overriding some scientific laws with another set. We do it all the time; consider a plane flying. That violates the law of nature that says heavier than air objects must fall through the air to the ground. But we override it via Bernouli's laws.
If God were to answer a prayer such as "please don't let the hurricane hit me!" how would we know? Of course we can't. Indeed, how does science deal with miracles in general, such as "this person should be dead, or did die, but is now alive." Mostly by sweeping under the "It's a coincidence!" rug.
"We know that relativity cannot be BS because the GPS system, which is known to work, cannot work unless we make relativistic corrections due to the motion and position of the satellites (both matter, but the motion is more important, if I recall correctly). Einstein's General Relativity in a sense makes the GPS system possible. QM makes the transistors in the chips in your GPS receiver possible. But they are two (somewhat) disjoint ways of looking at the world."
Actually, what we know is that Schroedinger's Equation is not relativistically invariant, which means that it is not compatible with Special Relativity. But I think I've found the answer to that problem. I'm writing a book about it.
I call it the skydragon, after all the effects depicted in that national geographic 2025 special
Is it possible to believe in religion without believing in miracles?
why encourage free, voluntary prayer
when raising taxes and Govt programs will do the trick?
Rush identified belief in global warming with disbelief in god.
The man is an idiot on morality, math and economics. Worse, it's not entertaining. You can't do larger-than-life self-deprecating humor when you're doing morality.
Let's be serious: the Democrats are throwing away lots of voters for a wide variety of reasons because they are unreasonable assholes.
This is like the Red Cross: they have a lack of blood supply, in great part, because they are Ridiculously picky.
So I am not interested in fixing their self inflicted wounds.
They should throw her and both her voters out.
Quantum mechanics deals in small things, like how the loose beads got under the sofa cushions. Classical mechanics is about how cannon balls got under the sofa cushions.
So Chuck decided to die on his molehill in Alabama. What a moron.
Narciso at4:48. Good one!
So Werner Heisenberg is speeding along the Autobahn on his way to his Uranverein collaboration and doesn't notice that he's entered a section of the Autobahn with a speed limit, and he gets stopped by the police.
The officer berates him "You were going exactly 165 kph in a 100 kph zone!"
Heisenberg replies, "Where are we?"
++
For extra credit - did Heisenberg come up with the uncertainty principle before he worked in the Nazi atomic bomb program?
Swedish liberals have a name for the shame they heap onto pious believers: Gudskam or "God shame," pronounced like "good scam."
Did Heisenberg come up with the uncertainty principle before he worked in the Nazi atomic bomb program?
Yes
Yeah, kind of like how anyone who expresses or believes superstitious, childish and pseudo-scientific doomsday ideas like Anthropogenic Climate Change — a theory claiming (amidst a bevy of other wild assertions) human beings have increased the frequency or intensity of “extreme weather events” like Hurricane Dorian.
Real atheists don't give a shit about the climate because they don't have any morality.
Such people deserve to be mocked, too.
Even more so if they claim to be able to change the weather or the climate by praying or thinking about it.
The State is the Lord, thy god. Thou shalt have no other God before it
who will be the Left's 'Moses', and what will be their 10 Commandments?
Williamson intentionally or not points to a larger demographic divide that the secular Democrats ignore at their own peril: the two most religious groups in the US are Blacks and Latinos.
One of these days, the secular Left will cross a line. They won't know they've crossed it until it's too late. But, cross it they will, and the Democratic Party will take years & years to recover, if ever.
And that line may be coming up real soon. The next 7 hour forum that CNN will subject the Democratic candidates to will be on LGBTQ issues, and I'm sure it'll just provide oodles & oodles of material to endear the candidates to the believing black & Latino community. I'm sure the RNC is rubbing its hands in glee even as we speak.
You have no idea how much good money I'd pay to see our dear Laslo ask Joe Biden from the audience: "Vice President Biden, do you think you'd be a faggot if you sucked Girl-cock?"
Fern@733-- Ja!
Narr
1927
I only pray to Obama. Slick Willie could feel my pain, but Obama hears my prayers.
Packers still looking for first first down at end of first quarter. How about throwing a few prayers their way?
Anyone who expresses or believes her superstitious and childish ideas that humans can change the course of hurricanes by praying or using "powers of the mind" deserves to be mocked.
Whatever happened to Live and Let Live?
Why do atheists - like Ron Reagan junior - always sound so stupid? Or do they all have Asperger's?
Anyway, the train is fine dude. The train is fine.
"Whatever happened to Live and Let Live?"
Shut up and bake me a cake.
"Why do atheists - like Ron Reagan junior - always sound so stupid?"
We aren't the only ones who sound stupid.
The prayers worked! Thanks all
Regarding miracles:
If you have trouble with Jesus changing water into wine, you will have real trouble with him coming back from the dead. The empty tomb is just as important as the cross. I find the shroud fascinating. It contains microscopic "seeds" only found in Israel. Yet if it is a 13th century French fake, how did they get there? It has real blood. A real negative 3D image. It seems certain to be a real burial shroud of a dead body. If not Jesus, who? Who would ever save a used shroud. It would rot along with the corpse. Christianity is based on a miracle.
God seems to delight in being subtle. He is obvious and illusive at the same time.
The problem is that you need both quantum mechanics and God. There are very few who have a clue about both. Both are paradoxic.
The more you understand a paradox the more mysterious it is. Easy to say Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. The deeper you go into that paradox the more your head hurts. The same with the many paradoxes of quantum mechanics. The electron going thru the slits changes from wave to particle depending on how you look at it. 100% wave, 100% particle. Never seen as both at the same time. Easy to say, hard to understand.
The left has a God they believe in, their God is environmentalism.
A lesser deity, for sure. Also, mortal gods, goddesses, and transgods. In Stork They Trust.
One of many failings of the current crop of atheistic Democrats is that they have so destroyed education (their own included, not just their urban plantations), they could not enunciate a humanist, atheist philosophy that would be compatible with American society, as they have never learned about such. It is the province of the even longer dead white men of the Greek and Roman empires. And all they know about that is that the Greeks liked to bugger boys.
chickelit: "So Chuck decided to die on his molehill in Alabama. What a moron."
He had no choice really. It's either lie and smear or he has to defend his racist deadbeat dad Joe Walsh and his democrat candidate allies!
And there is nothing there to work with, thus, our admitted Smear Merchant retreats into complete Smear Mode.
Drago said...
#StrongBrianStelterFanboy Chuck: "Hey I just realized that in Marianne Williamson's Sep. 4 tweet, she forgot about the suffering people of storm-ravaged Alabama."
On both Aug 29 and Sep 2, the National Hurricane Center published maps that showed southern Alabama in range for high winds, storms and potential flooding.
...
Nobody's buying that shit. If Alabama was threatened, then why did the Birmingham NWS put out a tweet within 20 minutes of Trump stating that "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east. #alwx."...? That was September 1. Birmingham NWS knew. They knew better than Trump.
But of course the real point isn't the weather warning. The real point is Trump's fanatical desire to try not to be wrong, and shown up by anybody. The real show was in how Trump fumbled around trying to explain it away.
It's the Sharpie show now.
Judge Elihu Smails.
That is all.
Gahrie
Althouse has hot buttons and reacts predictably. The RC church pushes three of them: abortion, gays, subordination of women ie women priests. There are a lot of us here who agree with her stands on these issues, but do not react in quite so Pavlovian a way as she does.
YoungHegelian
I cannot buy you a beer but I have used my mind to bend the universe so that a free beer reaches you.
Let me know if it works.
This is probably the only blog on the internet where you'll find laymen making quantum mechanics jokes. Very good thing there. Makes it worthwhile to slog through the pop culture stuff Our Hostess seems to find so endlessly fascinating, which I find more mysterious than quantum mechanics. Neither of which I understand very well.
Jupiter, let us know when the book comes out and I'll read it and let you know what I think.
Separately, it appears that Chuck (who appears to be a bit of an excitable fellow, for all his merits) is off probation now and is back in the free fire zone, again. What, did he cut off his ankle bracelet, or something?
Sad!
@Ken B,
Let me know if it works.
You bend the universe to send me a beer and it's a Budweiser! Good God, man! Have you no sense of proportion at all?!
Try again, and this time make it a decent microbrew or at least a Dos Equis!
YH
I tried for Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA. Must be the hurricane.
Phiddipus
Yeah but he muffed the punchline. Heisenberg should ask the cop “ Now just *where* did you say this happened?” Heisenberg lost isn’t as funny as Heisenberg beating the ticket.
Althouse has hot buttons and reacts predictably. The RC church pushes three of them: abortion, gays, subordination of women ie women priests. There are a lot of us here who agree with her stands on these issues, but do not react in quite so Pavlovian a way as she does.
It is not only the RCC that opposed these things. Conservative Baptist churches do, as well, and many others, I'm sure.
With the help of thoughts, prayers, a black sharpie and a low yield tactical nuclear weapon Trump saved Florida from a category 5 hurricane.
And Chuck is hung up on the sharpie?
I have cousins who have exodused from our familial Wesleyanism to a brand of Presbyterian that would give the RCC and a lot of Baptists a run for their collection money on those topics.
Narr
I sauntered away ages ago and don't worry much about the rules of clubs I don't belong to
Cs lewis said eithet its true or im a lunatic, if you dont believe in the first element, about his death and reaurrection what is the point, moslems dont say mohammeds just a guy with some nice thoughts
Narciso, IIRC, Lewis said something along the lines of: You have to believe that Christ was a liar, a lunatic or the Son of God.
#StrongCNNDefender Chuck: "Nobody's buying that shit."
Listen up li'l Brian Stelter fanboy and admitted smear merchant, no matter how much you and the rest of your little dem/lefty allies wish it away, you cannot change the FACT that on both Aug 29 AND Sep 2, the National Hurricane Center produced storm path maps that clearly included portions of Southern Alabama!!
LOLOL
Better crawl back under your covers with your Maddow blowup doll and write a few more therapeutic fan letters to your pals Durbin and Stolen Valor Blumenthal, both of whom you have vigorously and passionately defended.
Reid Hoffman Fake conservative Chuck is not handling the utter collapse of his preferred candidates racist deadbeat dad Joe Walsh and senile Creepy Sleepy Joey "bloodshot eyed war hero" Biden very well.
And...it...is...glorious!!
at the end of this life,
when you turn the last card over, it's Jesus.
"Every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord"
...whether gladly or begrudgingly
Purple Chuck: If Alabama was threatened, then why did -
Hang on, I forgot what this was about. Again.
Trump said: "Hey look out Bama! You're threatened by Dorian!"
And Bama was all like: "New update! We're good now. Dorian went the other way!"
Pretty much it?
Well you get the gist, what applies to Him appiles for his followers, consider there 300 years most of which plagued by horrible persecutions
Drago: Chuck is not handling the utter collapse of his preferred candidates
Chuck has a ream of "Trump Lied Florida Died!" talking points he was looking forward to battering us with for 3 weeks, but Hurricane Dorian didn't give Chuck the death and devastation he wanted.
What you *never* hear the Left say is:
"Aw shit---maybe they're wealthy and smart, but they moved down there into Frequent Hurricane Territory, so they *deserve* to be blown to smithereens every now and then."
No, it's "climate change", caused by humans everywhere but especially in the US, that's destroyed the lives of these poor, poor innocent people".
Fuck that.
And fuck the Left.
Purple Chuck: The real point is Trump's fanatical desire to try not to be wrong
So what?
Angela Foster ftw.
I want to hear MW sing The yeller rose of Texas.
Pence staying at the trump resort at the suggestion of trump I think is one of the clearest examples of corruption so far by this administration In essence, pence directed taxpayer funds into trumps pocket. How is that remotely defensible? But alas the media is obsessed with the Alabama non story.
It's summary time:
1) LLR Chuck, who has proudly admitted to lying and smearing, is now claiming the National Hurricane Center did not produce Dorian Storm Path Projections that showed Southern Alabama as a potentially impacted area, even though the National Hurricane Center did precisely that both before and AFTER Trumps tweet
2) LLR Chuck has boldly asserted the obama economy was "dream-perfect"....he literally wrote those exact words
Reasonable inferences regarding Chuck's true political affiliations may be drawn.
steve uhr: "Pence staying at the trump resort at the suggestion of trump I think is one of the clearest examples of corruption so far by this administration In essence, pence directed taxpayer funds into trumps pocket. How is that remotely defensible? But alas the media is obsessed with the Alabama non story."
Leftist advancing latest BS corruption lies is upset that his lies cannot get airtime on leftist propaganda channels due to leftist propaganda channels focusing on other leftist BS lies.
Discuss.
@wholelotasplainin'
check this out:
Greenpeace Co-Founder: AOC’s Claim That Hurricanes Hit Vulnerable Communities First Is ‘Ridiculous’
“This is what climate change looks like: it hits vulnerable communities first. I can already hear climate deniers screeching: “It’s always been like this! You’re dim,” etc. No. This is about science & leadership. We either decarbonize&cut emissions, or we don’t & let people die,” AOC tweeted Tuesday.
“So hurricanes caused by climate change ‘hit vulnerable communities first’? Ridiculous. Do you think that’s why Dorian missed West Palm Beach? Only defence is better infrastructure, evacuation, & don’t build on sand beaches,” Moore tweeted Wednesday in response to AOC’s tweet on climate change.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-arter/greenpeace-co-founder-aocs-claim-hurricanes-hit-vulnerable-communities-first
She lives in queens, did she pound shots to the skull.
I understand Drago. If trump does it then by definition it is okay if not godly.
steve uhr: "I understand Drago. If trump does it then by definition it is okay if not godly."
LOL
Its not my fault all your russia collusion lies and hoax dossier and hoax pee tape lies and hoax gang rape lies failed and everyone is finding out how your side weaponized the govt against domestic political opponents like a commie banana republic/Stasi crew.
But I am sure you believe that's all good if not godly because your side did it.
According to NPR, Trump has lost a boatload of money because half the country refuses to stay at his properties.
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...
at the end of this life,
when you turn the last card over, it's Jesus.
"Every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord"
...whether gladly or begrudgingly
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Not me. Nor any Hindu, Taoist, Jain, Buddhist, animist, atheist or agnostic.
I've seldom seen such an unaware view of what human beings believe/think at the ends of their lives, as you've posted here.
It's almost like the Glenn Beck ads where he proclaims that he will never instruct his daughters to call Bruce Jenner Caitlin, "because it's not science".
The man is a MORMON.
For the record: I don't mock people for being religious. Life's full of mystery, wonder and dread about its end, and I can't fault people for trying to make sense of it via a belief system that attributes everything to God's plan.
Even Richard Dawkins, an avowed enemy of religion, has conceded that he supports Judaeo-Christian moral precepts being taught to Britain's youth. Why? Because they foster the kind of civilization that allows science, individual freedom and responsibility ,equality under the law, and many other aspects of Western life to produce the wealth and ultimate well-being prevalent today.
But assuming that EVERYONE is or should be Christian really gets under my skin.
We know know that there are BILLIONS of planets in our galaxy alone. If even a tiny percentage of them harbor intelligent life, what then: did the Son of God come down to redeem them all, too?
It's a kind of parochialism that should have gone away a hundred years ago.
You want religiosity?: walk into a Hindu temple on any day. You'll get more heart-felt religious feeling than you'll ever get (to use a very old phrase) in a "month of Sundays" in today's wheezy old Christian churches.
I wonder if the boatload of money Trump has lost is equal to or greater than the boatload of money NPR has lost because half the country refuses to donate to a biased public broadcasting system.
Well its not science, its a disorder called dyaforia, how else are you going to fix this world,
@wholelottaspalinin'
we didnt invent that verse. It is a description of the future.
Are you saying YOU know the future disposition of yourself, plus EVERY Hindu, Taoist, Jain, Buddhist, animist, atheist and agnostic when face to face with God,
but God does not?
Saw this just before bed and I am sorry I haven't read all responses so far but I will catch up tomorrow.
I am NOT religious and haven't been since the age of six (I'm 67 now). But I have also never been so arrogant as to be an atheist. They are as cock-sure as my holy rolling old maid aunt was. Brrrrr. Let's say I'm an agnostic with too much education to take things with no proof. But also smart enough to know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Keep in mind that when I first became agnostic there were maybe six computers in the whole world. Part of becoming that agnostic was reading things like "He counts every hair own your head and sees every sparrow that falls to earth".
Whooeee, what nonsense!
But I have now seen how computers have advanced in the 60 years since. We now know that the government can keep a record of every phone conversation in the US. And things like facial recognition of whole crowds at a stadium or airport. Looking 60 years into the future and counting hairs on heads and knowing what falls on the earth no longer seems silly. Extrapolate a few centuries and we see that miracles do exist. Clarke's "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" rings true and rings both ways.
Despite her not exactly Texan accent, she has let slip some hints she could be a yodeling prez in our lifetime.
Such people deserve to be mocked, too.
Even more so if they claim to be able to change the weather or the climate by praying or thinking about it.
Yes, but can you change the weather by observing it and collapsing the wave function, thus selecting a state from the probability distribution?
Obama halted the rise of the oceans enough to buy a home on one.
Not religious; but praying for people threatened by hurricanes seems more rational than your average "liberal's"
ideas on economics.
“Packers still looking for first first down at end of first quarter. How about throwing a few prayers their way?”
It worked! Thank you, Rev. Steve Uhr!
It’s the raw, mindless, hatred coming from the left in general and the gay component of their identity group politics in particular towards Christians that turns lefties who proclaim their “tolerance” to be at best idiots and at worst outright liars.
Marx made it clear religion and leftism are incompatible.
Gays were just a pretext.
When they’re no longer useful, they’ll be thrown over like the blue-collar factory worker.
rhardin.
Then I'm reminded that last night was a seven hour "town hall" on climate change. Which sounds more like a cult than science and makes Marianne's belief in prayer rather innocuous.
It never hurts when your back is against the wall and all options seem limited to send one out to the big man upstairs. If only to remind him/her/it that you really don't appreciate his sense of humor. Couldn't hurt, right?
Owen Glendower I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur Why, so can I, or so can any man, But will they come when you do call for them?
@Meade, I saw about a quarter of the game. It looked like a preseason game. Pity they couldn’t both lose.
If the hurricane did bend its path in response to prayers instead of in response to meteorological conditions, then the people who prayed are responsible for a lot of deaths on Abaco and Grand Bahamas islands. Just sayin’
Man, that was some dull football last night; at least the first half was. I see it ended at Packers 10, Bears 3. Not much going on in the second half either it seems.
Should we to expect a more defensive oriented game plan across the NFL this year?
I've never understood why high-scoring games are, supposedly, more exciting than low-scoring ones. Defense is fully half the game. I found last night's game to be thrilling.
I wonder how the NFL fanbase breaks down on preference for defense vs offense oriented contests? Must admit that I'm a fan of my local NFL team, not a fan of the broader NFL, so I had nothing invested in the goings on and outcome of last night's tilt. I very much enjoyed this past Superbowl which was a low offense affair, but I'm a Pats fan. Lots of tension. Wiki says it had the lowest television rating of Superbowls in the last 10 years.
"Must admit that I'm a fan of my local NFL team, not a fan of the broader NFL,..."
Yeah, me too. But when I am watching other teams there's nothing that will get me to turn off the TV faster than back and forth scoring with no defense. Judging by how the NFL structures their rules, I gather I'm an outlier.
Original Mike: I agree. Great defense is even more satisfying than great offense and when I see a high score I assume poor defense. This is true in baseball, as well. A well-turned double play is a thing of beauty.
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