"... for $35,000 a night per person, a pittance considering that any customer will have paid someone else tens of millions of dollars for the trip by rocket. A Japanese billionaire, Yusaku Maezawa, has booked a putative voyage around the moon with Elon Musk’s SpaceX company. 'I will be heading to the moon,' he claims, 'just a little earlier than everyone else.' He’s calling it an art project. You might call it thrill-seeking for plutocrats. Looked at coolly, the moon doesn’t seem promising as a tourist destination. If it were on earth, no one would want to go there. I say leave it alone for a while. When we looked close up, we found barren sand, inanimate rock of indeterminate color, and no urgent reason to stay. The moon abides. It rules the firmament. Waning crescent, waxing gibbous, it raises the oceans and tugs at our thoughts. 'It still holds the key to madness,' E.B. White wrote fifty years ago, 'still controls the tides that lap on shores everywhere, still guards the lovers who kiss in every land under no banner but the sky.'"
So ends "Moon Fever" by James Gleick (in The NY Review of Books).
July 29, 2019
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If it were on earth, no one would want to go there.
Really? The Antarctic is pretty damn close, and lots of people want to go there, both as tourists and to live.
Sahara desert? Empty Quarter?
Not a lot of demand for those places. People go to Antarctica in part to see the wildlife. There's none on the Moon.
I'm in the camp that believes life in space will resemble living in the shittiest parts of Earth in pre-fab housing. The romance will be gone pretty quickly.
I lived in the Arctic for a year. While sometimes scenic, mostly it was squalid.
I love looking up at the moon. But don't plan to travel there.
Why not charge $350,000 a night? They can afford it.
Pretty soon it'll be:
No one goes to the Moon anymore, its too crowded.
In other space news - big meteor shower coming tonight.
"Gleick is a man-made global warming nutter and a fabulist."
You are referring to a different Gleick. This one has written a few good books.
Going to the Moon at first won't be glamorous as it has sometimes been thought of, but that doesn't mean much. The ISS and Antarctic research stations aren't as glamorous places to live but there is plenty of reason to go. Mining, a stable staging/transfer place and practice space for missions to further places. We should go and the free market will find the reasons from tourism and adventure to more practical ones as we do.
I'm very glad some billionaires who can are working on ways to make it much more reasonable. The key is to find ways to manage things at scale.
@Paul Mac
Thanks for getting to that before I did. As you can see I've deleted the inadvertent smearing of James Gleick.
If really rich guys (and gals!) want to help fund the development of cheaper, safer space travel by paying hundreds of thousand or millions of dollars to go to the moon, or party on the ISS, I'm all for it. Or as Larry Niven (who inherited a a fortune before he ever became famous as a science fiction writer once said at a con panel, "Rich people exist to act as guinea pigs for technology that isn't safe enough or cheap enough for everyone else yet."
I can't imagine paying that much to be miserable.
I'm on the other side of "Go West, young man"........and I'm pretty sure going west was cheaper.
I'm with Mark Jones. Although I agree that robots are the way to go with space exploration, there is a place for human trips, and if private individuals want to contribute there is no reason to dump on them for that.
Sad to see this from Gleick. Nearly eveything was once for plutocrats only. Cars. Refrigerators. Color TV. Three week vacations. Dentistry. They become available as a result of being created for the wealthy first. Nothing wrong or shameful.
But I also wonder why more effort isn't being place on exploring the ocean beds, which are inhospitable but a lot closer. Is it the pressure?
Send the rats. I hear they are hardy, will eat about anything, like to travel and we have plenty.
There was a time when air travel was the sole domain of rich people who could afford it, too. They paid for development of the aircraft we fly in today, and for the growth of the airlines that fly those planes.
Do they charge extra for a Full Moon view?
Craters of the Moon National Monument idaho
If it were on earth
It's not. If it were, I'd rather go to that Moon Desert than to NY City.
The moon abides? The dude abides.
I make several trips every year to my tiny cabin in a very empty and desolate area in Nevada. Some friends get it, others say it looks like the moon. There's little wildlife, beauty comes from the sky and the changing shadows. I might like the moon.
I'd rather die on the moon than on Mt. Everest. As pointless, expensive deaths go, it has novelty value and is probably quicker. The moon death costs a little more, but it's worth it.....El Capitan has some allure, but you really have to be in top shape to die there and there's not that much snob appeal in falling off a domestic cliff.
"it would rent out the International Space Station to private parties for $35,000 a night per person"
Sure, that's how government recoups $150B in costs.
But we'll finally get some useful research out of it: how much quicker do partiers puke in space?
ignoble? Are we sad about that?
Do we now stop and think about dignity in our endeavors?
Space Truckin’
Deep Purple
We had a lot of luck on Venus
We always had a ball on Mars
Meeting all the groovey people
We've rocked the Milky Way so far
We danced around with Borealice
We're space truckin' round the the stars
Come on let's go Space Truckin'
etc.
John Lynch, 8:07:
"I lived in the Arctic for a year."
Can I ask where in the Arctic? I've been awfully close to the Circle but not crossed it. I would love to see more.
"But I also wonder why more effort isn't being place on exploring the ocean beds, which are inhospitable but a lot closer. Is it the pressure?"
Readering, James Cameron has personally been down to Titanic something like two dozen times. I suspect there are plenty of deep sea billionaires around.
There are a lot of celebrities I would like to see visit this space station. Just don't bring them back, please.
Plutocrats tired of women.
It's a vacation without mosquitos anyway.
Remember when only the filthy rich could afford trans-Atlantic air travel? Then trans-Pacific? Now, it's like taking the Greyhound to Cleveland.
I was 7 years old when Heinlein published The Man Who Sold The Moon. I assumed that Greyhound-like travel to the Moon (at least!) would be available in my lifetime. No such luck. I just hope that we get a significant number of folks well-settled on Mars before the next big asteroid surprises my descendants here on Earth.
Can we use the funds to fill some potholes?
Can Jeffrey Epstein be far behind?
Yes, that is a pun.
"Waxing gibbous"
gibbous:
(of the moon) having the observable illuminated part greater than a semicircle and less than a circle.
convex or protuberant.
were "Jessica" Yanik's balls gibbous when he/she demanded them waxed?
Wait!
it is my right as an american who saw the moon landing that I get to see the earth from outer space.
I am going to be pissed if i dont get to.
just 40 hours orbiting from a space spa, how many dawns and sunsets might i enjoy?
the only hard part would be getting up there and going back down. (come on, elon!)
is it so much to ask after 50 years? 40 hours in a space spa!
come on, america!
So many people who don't have purpose.
Exploration is purpose. Expanding our horizons and doing something new is laudable.
Being comfortable is not.
The first billionaire to die during such a trip will probably be the last one to go.
People with limited mobility might enjoy living in 1/6g.
Seems if it were for James Gleick we would still live in caves in Africa
Okay with me if some tourist wants to go, except for the likelihood my taxes end up subsidizing the trip or a rescue (did they require rescue insurance?) Also I won’t want to be subject to the obligatory documentary ad nauseum- we’ll all be lectured on the ‘importance’ of some rich dork doing it ‘for the sake of humanity’ , followed by a political lecture.
Democrats soon after will announce space travel is a Constitutional right so it should be free for important voting blocs.
Setting aside the fact I cannot afford to go, I don't want to. Hours and days locked up in a tiny tin can would bring out severe claustrophobia in me.
When that first billionaire that Yancey Ward mentions dies, will we start talking about how stupid these people are, like the woman that died attempting to visit the Into the Wild bus? If so, let's call them stupid now.
It's their money and time - enjoy the trip!
The deaths on the way of something like 25% of the (rich) people who attempt Mt. Everest doesn't seem to deter hordes more who follow.
"You might call it thrill-seeking for plutocrats. Looked at coolly, the moon doesn’t seem promising as a tourist destination. If it were on earth, no one would want to go there. I say leave it alone for a while. When we looked close up, we found barren sand, inanimate rock of indeterminate color, and no urgent reason to stay."
Don't expand the game... don't give people hope...stay right here...where I matter.
Ah, crapping-on-things journalism. My favorite. Snoots with keyboards explaining why conventionally exciting or valuable things are so not cool, omg.
For more information on CoT journalism, consult any major publication at any American holiday.
"$35,000 a night per person"
What was the rate when the Clintons were renting out the Lincoln Bedroom?
We all secretly want to be Bond villains.
The author thinks small. I'm sure he was there when the first plane flew, when the first computer was built, and wrote articles about how primitive they were.
Always annoyed by those that insist other places remain pristine for their satisfaction. The moon isn't yours. If you don't want to go, don't go and don't insist others can not go.
Cost of ISS stay needs to offset cost of expendables (food, water, air) and opportunity cost of other science that could have been performed. Then again, the primary science is learning to live in space for future space travel.
Mark Jones, Godfather, exactly. SOMEBODY has to go besides the steely-eyed missile men, in order to prove that more or less ordinary (but brave) schlubs can make the trip. Because we are sitting here here, every single one of us, in this one little basket, waiting for the big rock to land on us.
I'm also put in mind of the many places I wouldn't go on Earth, except for the specifics of their location. Any beach at all, for instance - the beach an hour from me holds so little charm for me that I never go, but I'll hold my nose and visit a beach in another country just to say I went there (and because half of my family likes beaches). The West End of London - I'll go because it's London and I love London, but otherwise it's just another urban district where people half my age go to get drunk. Sacramento - my ONLY reason ever to go there is that my parents and siblings all settled there.
I feel certain that the pioneers didn't load up their wagons and set off on the promise of beautiful scenery and fabulous restaurants.
Readering, was it you suggesting the deep ocean? Problem with that is that it's still in this one little basket. I mean, there are important things about colonizing other planets to be learned by visiting the deep ocean, so I support it for that reason, but it's not a long-term hedge against extinction the way extraterrestrial colonization could potentially be.
Like climate change, asteroid impacts are INEVITABLE. Unlike climate change, a major asteroid hit may not be survivable as a species, if we're all still here for it.
Sacramento - my ONLY reason ever to go there is that my parents and siblings all settled there.
Sacramento is an embarrassment as state capital. It's a cow town.
But I also wonder why more effort isn't being place on exploring the ocean beds, which are inhospitable but a lot closer. Is it the pressure?
It is the fact that if we tried to exploit the ocean floor the way we intend to exploit space, the watermelon Left would explode. Hell, they're actually starting to protest the exploitation of the Moon and space.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colors from our sight
Red is gray and yellow white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion...
Moody Blues, Peter Knight songwriter.
“Sacramento is an embarrassment as state capital. It's a cow town.”
I guess California was trying to outdo New York State.
"life in space will resemble living in the shittiest parts of Earth in pre-fab housing. The romance will be gone pretty quickly."
I've read a lot of accounts from the astronauts who have gone up there, and yes, it is shitty. But the view is magnificent. Truly awe-inspiring, akin to a religious experience.
And, yes, I'd go up there in a heartbeat. The best I can do now is write about it.
And yes, "Pants," "crapping on things journalism" is an accurate phrase for this story, and a lot like it. It's akin to the "you're doing it wrong" articles, like, "Breathing: Top 10 Tips for Improving Your Respiration."
There isn't going to be any human presence in space unless there are things to do there that economically make sense.
That's a statement of economic reality, and it has nothing to do with the world as it is portrayed in movies or the world that most people are taught to believe in during 16 plus years of indoctrination they received at the public schools.
And yet economics still rules, even though it is poorly perceived and rejected as a reality by many.
Economics rules even in space, which means to repeat myself, nothing much is going to happen unless people can make money doing it.
And so what can people do that makes money in space?
Well there is some hope that we will eventually discover a product that needs to be manufactured in space.
For example there's an experiment launching this week that will try to see if it works better to manufacture human organs (from human cells) in space.
And there's another also being launched this week that has to do with mixing silicon and rubber, which don't mix all that well in a gravitational field.
But aside from experiments like these, none of which as far as I know have yet found the right product, there seems to be tourism. There are people willing to pay a lot of money to go to low-earth orbit to see what it's like.
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