May 1, 2019

"The ballot question, dubbed the 'Right to Survive,' would declare that everyone has the right to rest, eat and shelter in public places without being harassed."

"Supporters say it would shield people experiencing homelessness from unfair citations and arrests. But business, environmental and social service organizations fear it would proliferate dangerous encampments in parks and on sidewalks without helping to house people.... Cities nationwide have laws on the books intended to keep destitute people moving and out of sight.... About a quarter of cities surveyed prohibit sleeping in certain public places, and almost half prohibit sitting or lying down in public. Even if a person is just sitting outside or sleeping in a clean tent, they can be told to either move on or be issued a fine, said Tristia Bauman, a senior attorney at the law center.... The Denver City Council in 2012 passed an urban camping ordinance that prohibits people from pitching tarps and tents or even covering themselves with a blanket in public places. Other city ordinances ban aggressive panhandling, public urination, and sitting or lying down in a public right of way, among other activities."

From "This City Might Give Homeless People the Right to Camp Anywhere" (Pew). "This City" is Denver.

111 comments:

Yancey Ward said...

Except for city hall, and other city government buildings, of course. Can't have the homeless setting up tents there.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...
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Michael said...

Really cool idea to emulate Seattle

:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

And turn Denver into THIS

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

I know where Polis lives in Boulder. There's a big courtyard in the middle. I say we fill the courtyard with drug-addicted crazies. You know - it's only fair.

CJinPA said...

said Tristia Bauman, a senior attorney at the law center.

If it has "law center" in the name, the group is ideologically driven and not acting in good faith.

This has proven to be true 100% of the time, so far.

Known Unknown said...
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Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The wisdom of the left. Polis-KC-Becker Boulder idiots want to handcuff the police and tell law abiding property owners they have no power. and ruin our public spaces and parks. What's not to like.

btw - Watch the entire video when you have time. It's really interesting. The vast majority of homeless are drug addicts.

exhelodrvr1 said...

And poop. Don't forget about the right to poop. It's in the COnstitution, man!!

n.n said...

Except for city hall, and other city government buildings, of course. Can't have the homeless setting up tents there.

City hall, state capitol, courthouses, public universities, ...

YoungHegelian said...

The primary problem with the homeless isn't economic. It's a question of mental health (there are, of course, always exceptions).

You do not help the mentally ill by caving to their demands. You help the mentally ill by providing mental health services, which they can either cooperate with or they can go their own way at their own risk.

The subject of how to treat the uncooperative mentally ill is a fraught subject in a liberal democracy. There are no easy answers, and that "no easy answers" includes easy answers like letting them camp (and eat, and shit & piss) wherever they want.

Bay Area Guy said...

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

I have a distant cousin who sadly became homeless. Parents divorced, drug use, probably a bit of genetic craziness, more drugs, failed relationships, spotty work record, a few injuries, more drug use, unwise choice of friends, family fights, family abandonment, and then homeless by age 35 or so.

Kinda sad. I haven't seen him decades. His two brothers tried hard, but eventually they gave up. His Dad gave up long ago.

The City should open up a shelter and get them safe and off the streets, but the Left goes opposite from common sense.

Greg Q said...

Do I have a right to walk down a public sidewalk? If I do, then you don't have the right to camp out on one.

Do I have the right to go to the neighborhood park and play? And have my kids play?

Then you don't have the right to treat it as your personal campground.


Do you have to have a lobotomy to be a leftist, or is it just highly favored by leftists?

gilbar said...

you know, if you live in a gated community, and are driven in a limo; these people complaining about homeless people sound just like meanies! Why shouldn't people be able to turn parks into shanty towns? It's not like anyone is allowing them into the gated communities!!

n.n said...

Los Angeles, San Francisco, ... It's a question of reasonable accommodation, public health, and general Welfare.

You help the mentally ill by providing mental health services

And rehabilitation.

Infinite Monkeys said...

Banning public urination? How unreasonable!

Achilles said...

This is just democrats importing more voters.

They want homelessness. They want poverty. They want crime. They want misery.

Just not inside the walls of the compounds they live in.

Democrats are just terrible people.

wild chicken said...

A lot of them won't submit to a shelter, or won't sober up, toss the weed etc or otherwise abide by shelter rules

They would rather camp out by the river. Even here in montana. Hell it IS nice down there but now no one else wants to go near all those sweet camping areas..

Yancey Ward said...

All these cities have shelters, BAG, the homeless don't like the rules that go along with being in one, like not bringing drugs and using them on the premises, among other restrictions.

Jim at said...

Ask Seattle how that's turning out.
Or Olympia.
Or San Francisco.
Or ...

Ryan said...

Don't they need to start fires to survive outdoors in Denver? The fire hazard should be reason alone for this to fail.

Jim at said...

Except for city hall, and other city government buildings, of course. Can't have the homeless setting up tents there.

The city of Seattle actually DID allow the homeless to set up tents inside city hall.

Anonymous said...

If the people who pay for the parks and other public places can’t use them, they will stop paying for them. Just as some libraries have become a home for the homeless, taxpayers slash funding. Why pay for something you can’t use.

rehajm said...

Fortunately leftie cites are usually in leftie states and they will continue to smart from the loss of the SALT deduction. It will take more time and pain but they’ll get with the program eventually.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

sorry if you've heard this one before.
Witnessed by me at local Whole Foods. The Whole Foods in central Boulder is a big store and there are numerous open food bars where people can pony up and fill containers with endless choices of lovely salads and various hot and cold dishes of every sort and variety. It's spectacular.

I won't go near it.
why?
I saw that day, a woman, perhaps in her late 20's early 30's with a small paper sample cup. (you know the kind with the folds) She was shoveling food into the sample cup, lifting the sample cup to her mouth, using her tongue as a scoop to lick the food out of the sample cup. She then went back for more, dipping her saliva soaked sample cup right into the salad. (Insert Seinfeld - "that's like putting your entire mouth in the dip" sketch)
I confronted her. I forgot what I said to her, but I insisted she stop.
I then went to find a manager. It took a while for a manager to be found but once I did find him, I reiterated what I had witnessed.

You now what he said? and I paraphrase - He told me that the entire staff who work at Whole Foods don't touch the salad bars because they all know how gross it is. They see waht I saw all day long, and that they do nothing to stop it. They let it happen.


wow. I thought - so Whole Foods is telling all paying customers to F-off. Whole foods cares more about the thieves who are contaminating the food bar (which by the way is a health hazard) than paying customers.

I thought - this is the left in a capsule.

Every time I'm in there, I witness some level of theft. I confronted another girl who was taking whole fig bar cookies out of the bin and shoving them into her mouth. She pretended she was deaf. There is a cop in the store now, some days, but I still see blatant theft. One guy palmed an huge chuck of beef from the food bar, and the cop was only a few feet away.
I hate going in there.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

If Denver can be a combination of the worst of Seattle and the worst of Pelosi's San Fransisco, the ivory tower nanny mommy fascists one-party state rulers do not care.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

"right to survive" does not extend to the business owner who is forced to shut down because of the, layabouts on drugs, trash, urine, feces, and drug paraphernalia that have over-run his private property.

chuck said...

Downtown Denver is one of those "why go there" places.

Sebastian said...
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Sebastian said...

"this is the left in a capsule"

You sound surprised. Institutionalized theft has always been the left's MO.

gspencer said...

I'd support a Right to Survive in the Home of Any Democrat law.

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Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Sebastian - I am in a constant state of shock at the horror show that is the left, and how they keep gaining more power.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

There is a section in the "Seattle is dying" video what shows a giant - GIANT - pristine facility that can be used to do what they are accomplishing in Rhode Island. The facility is perfect, and it sits empty.
That that facility sits vacant in leftwing paradise Washington State - is more proof the left just waste our money right and left and then move on to the next giant soul sucking tax payer raping scheme.

Bilwick said...

This is where the old libertarian uber-solurion "Sell the Streets" might solve the problem.

rhhardin said...

CATO4321. Catalog of the homeless
Crazy - 40%
Addicts - 30%
Tramps - 20%
Out of luck - 10%

You can help the out of luck; the tramps like being outdoors, the addicts don't want to quit, and the crazy can't be helped in any case.

via radio derb

Milwaukie guy said...

I'm with Cher.

Taking the newly researched number, we have something like 22 million illegal aliens in the U.S. More than half of them come from Mexico or Central America. We have visa overstayers, millions also, from around the whole world.

So, California alone is trying to service 4 or 5 million spanish-speaking peasants with 2nd grade educations—from the schools to the emergency rooms—all while these illegal migrants hold down wages for unskilled labor, hurting America's most economically vulnerable demographic. An elite of this group will become personal servants for the bourgeoisie, especially the cute ones, and a ready supply keeps wages down.

Dammit, we could be throwing at lot more money at the homeless, learning from the good work of Seattle and San Francisco.

You go Cher!

Gospace said...

Sounds like it established squatter rights to public property. This spot in Washington Park looks nice.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Denver,+CO/@39.6950109,-104.9705746,36m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x876b80aa231f17cf:0x118ef4f8278a36d6!8m2!3d39.7392358!4d-104.990251

mockturtle said...

As a child my family would sometimes go for picnics in public parks. Good luck finding a picnic table today that's not either permanently occupied or filthy. Parks are full of 'homeless', addicts, psychotics, needles, excrement, etc. Fine, let's just turn over everything to these people. Heaven know, as taxpayers, we don't deserve somewhere nice to take our kids. I like BleachBits suggestion of taking to the homes of county and city officials and dumping them in their yards. Denver has been crazy for a long time so this doesn't surprise me. I hope all those Californians who moved to Colorado are happy now.

Hagar said...

The mayor of Santa Fe proudly announced the City would budget $250,000 (?) for housing asylum seekers from the border in Santa Fe, but then hurriedly retracted that. They are still going to spend the money, but for housing them in Albuquerque, not Santa Fe.

I guess he was told: NIMBY you don't!

JaimeRoberto said...

So they are no longer bums or hobos or vagrants or even homeless. They are experiencing homelessness.

Jersey Fled said...

Well, time to cross Denver off my list of places I would like to visit.

I was involved with a program at my church for several years where we housed homeless men during the cold months of winter, fed them, tried to find them jobs and provided transportation for them to work, job interviews, counseling sessions, and so forth. During that time we helped about 60 people from the streets of Camden.

The problem these men had was not affordable housing, it was drug and alcohol abuse. Many had wives and families who had tried to help them for years, but finally gave up. They had homes they could go to, but no one who would take them.

During Tha time only one of the men got himself straightened out and found a permanent job. One out of 60. The rest are either dead by now, in jail, or back on the streets of Camden.

Anonymous said...

My son was asleep in his parked but rusty&old car early one Saturday when he was supposed to be awake and working on a rental property renovation. He was rousted by the local constabulary and issued a citation for "illegal camping" - and he paid a $120 fine.

My city is just up the road a bit, maybe 10 miles, from Austin, Texas, yet we have just about zero problems with the homeless. No panhandlers on street corners. No beggars in our downtown area. No campsites on sidewalks or under road bridges (which when constructed used rough 6" limestone rocks, not flat cement, for the underbridge fill).

I present these two correlated facts for your analysis of causation.

I'm Full of Soup said...

If so many of the homeless are truly mentally ill, wouldn't there be an equal percentage of them in both cold and warm climates? Yet they do seem to be more prevalent in the warmer states. I could take that as a sign they are not so crazy after all?

NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...

Portland. Come see how it's working out here.

Seeing Red said...

About 15 years ago my parents were on the East Coast and a homeless couple asked him if they could sleep in his truck overnight. So he got to talking with them and they guy wanted to work, he really did! But only if he could get a job that he wanted at the pay he wanted. So back under the bridge to sleep they went.

Lewis Wetzel said...

"The bad will drive out the good" used to be common sense. Now it is hateful bigotry. Bill Gates, in his mansion, decrees that mad men will rule the streets of Seattle.

Lucien said...

@JaimeRoberto:

I think the preferred term is “experiencing housing instability”. At least if you sometimes have a home.

Tommy Duncan said...

Homelessness is a symptom.

Drug addiction and mental illness are root causes of homelessness. Mental illness and drug addition are complex issues that are expensive and difficult to resolve. Fortunately, progressives can rebrand the issues as "homelessness" and create Right To Survive spaces, thus signaling their virtue but fixing nothing.

mockturtle said...

My comment at 2:52 has numerous grammatical breaches as well as other mistakes. Just saying: Don't think I didn't notice after the fact. ;-)

mockturtle said...

The mayor of Santa Fe proudly announced the City would budget $250,000 (?) for housing asylum seekers from the border in Santa Fe, but then hurriedly retracted that. They are still going to spend the money, but for housing them in Albuquerque, not Santa Fe.

I guess he was told: NIMBY you don't!


Hilarious! NM has become a shithole and Santa Fe is about all that's left to draw tourists.

Seeing Red said...

About 552,000 people

That’s all?

How much money are we spending on 1/2 a mill people?

Seeing Red said...

RI should be turned into the homeless district. Eminent Domain and de-state it.

Wall it up, they get free ranging but have all the services. You make good, you leave.

Anthony said...

It'll turn into a s***hole like San Francisco and Seattle, both of which have effectively decriminalized drug use and camping on the street. And defecating anywhere.

rehajm said...

I’ve noticed when I travel to wannabe leftie cities they have only wannabe homeless crises. Sure they have druggies living in tents under the interstate but they can only aspire to homeless pooping on police cars.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The Left is bound and determined to turn once beautiful cities into shitholes. I'm having a tough time caring, since the idiots in those cities keep voting D. Enjoy the diversity, assholes.

Retail Lawyer said...

Bleach Bit, there is chain of self-service food bars in San Francisco that is owned and run by Chinese. They are not constrained by the empathy of Whole Foods, so bums are immediately, loudly, and rudely thrown out. Wonderful to behold! Bums are very bad news anywhere - they consume any sliver of public space. And then they fight over it. I ride a bike past the proposed controversial "Navigation Center" in San Francisco to get to work. There is a tiny park always occupied by bums. I once saw a bum sleeping there with no pants, just a hairy ass in the air. Terrific place for children! What is the purpose of a park? Why do people like them? The end result is a homeless industrial complex with well compensated civil servants motivated to make the problem worse.

elkh1 said...

Ergo homeless problem solved. It is the homeless people's choice to camp out, to poo on the street, to eat from garbage cans.

Darcy said...

Come visit Colorado! Just not downtown Denver. I work here right smack in the middle of downtown Denver and it is literally a shithole. I've often thought about vlogging what I see as I walk from the train to work, but I don't know if I have the stomach for it. I am now doing my best to avert my eyes and step carefully. And I'll vote, but probably futilely.

We've gone full commie here in Denver.

But back to my "Come visit Colorado!"...I mean it. It is one of the most beautiful places on earth outside of Denver. That's the trade-off.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Newspaper had a story recently claiming Starbucks had removed many of its table and chairs so the homeless could not come in and linger in comfort all day. The story was critical of Starbucks even as it mentioned an area homeless shelter kicked out everyone for the day at 9AM every day.

IOW it's OK for the homeless shelter to put them out on the street but Starbucks was mean for, in effect, doing the same thing.

Milwaukie guy said...

In the entire homeless industrial complex, government and NGOs, how many Democrats have good-paying jobs and what percentage of the bread do they crush? What's the average hourly for consultants?

Jersey Fled said...


"We've gone full commie here in Denver."

The funny part is that Stalin and Mao would never put up with anything like this. It only exists in the liberal West.

Let's call it Compassionate Communism.



Krumhorn said...

The city of Los Angeles has become an endless encampment. Tents are pitched on the sidewalk all around the city. A drive down Central is a pestilence of tents on the sidewalk on both side of the street for blocks. MacArthur Park is an infestation.

One cannot walk the streets of San Francisco without having to step over the bums.

The lefties have done this to us. It's part of the purposeful disintegration of America. They will not be happy until we are all living in tents....except for the leftie apparatchiks who will certainly have their dachas.

- Krumhorn

Bruce Hayden said...

“Downtown Denver is one of those "why go there" places”

I actually liked it, esp in comparison with Phoenix where I spend part of the year, where there really never was much of a downtown. Denver started trying to clean up its downtown almost a half a century ago. About then, GF of one of my best friends was working in a boutique in Larimer Square, and ended up waiting on Katherine Ross a couple times. Then they turned 16th Street, the main drag through downtown (#1 cruising place in Denver when I was in HS) into a mall. About this time, they built the Auraria campus, which has three schools (UC Denver, Metro State, and Community College - I took classes at UCD during two different parts of my life). Built a performing arts center, moved basketball and hockey into the western edge, and moved Elitch Gardens into that area. More recently, they built Coors field (despite Mile High stadium originally being a baseball field) and ultimately the area between Larimer Square and Coors Field grew into what is known as “LoDo” (lower downtown), mostly through gentrification of early 20th century commercial and industrial space. LoDo, btw, is where former Denver mayor, CO Gov, and aspirant for the Dem Presidential nomination, John Hickendooper, has maybe the most famous brewpub in the Denver area. I can remember when LoDo was called “skid row”. Much better now.

My grandparents and parents all worked in downtown Denver, starting in the mid 1920s. And probably wouldn’t recognize it today. I spent a year in the mid 1970s working for the City and County as an auditor, on the southern edge of the downtown. Very different today. . But a bit over a decade ago we were given Rockies tickets by friends of my parents (who were in Europe at the time). We parked by where Larimer Square and Auraria meet (just north of Larimer off of Speer Blvd). Everything looked nice Neil we were walking back to the car after the baseball game, we stumbled off the edge of the green center of Speer, and found the area was a homeless encampment, with belongings and cardboard houses packed in closely, hidden inches from the nice picturesque area in Denver that the tourists see. The residents were rousing after the mid afternoon stupor of 100 degrees and no clouds, in mid July, and were a bit aggressive.

Darcy said...

@Bruce Hayden

I liked it too. I work near Larimer Square. It's changed a lot just in the 2-1/2 years I've been here. It's so sad. And a little scary. A lot more crime. My husband worked for the Rockies for 20 years and used to walk around downtown at night after a game. We walked recently from a game to the train and he said "Please don't walk around the city at night again unless you're with me". He's usually pretty laissez faire. This was a strong statement from him.

I don't really blame the street people, but the "fix" is very complicated, and yes, will require a lot of mental health resources, but all the politicians (Democrats) can come up with is throwing money at it and allowing more camping/living on the street and everything that comes with it. I blame those politicians and the stupid voters here. They're clearly high.

Tomcc said...

If only it were possible to limit the behavior to eating, resting and sheltering. The other activities- crapping, peeing, using IV drugs, pilfering, arguing, harassing, panhandling are also part of the human experience, and a lot less benign. I think that will be a hard sell for the citizens of Denver.
I don't pretend to understand all of the reasons that people become homeless. Certainly, as Tommy Duncan mentioned above, mental illness and drug addiction are rampant among many, but not all. There's also, what a friend of mine used to refer to as "feral humans". Those who are simply unwilling to conduct their lives in a manner consistent with that of the rest of society.
I'd be curious to know whether the "core" homeless population has been consistent over the last 50 years or so. I would guess that the component that is growing are those with mental illness, who might have been institutionalized previously.

Bruce Hayden said...

“But back to my "Come visit Colorado!"...I mean it. It is one of the most beautiful places on earth outside of Denver. That's the trade-off.”

I would have to qualify that, at least for me. East of I-25 we call Western Kansas. Much of it is just flat brown grass. And the western edge from maybe I-70 to the WY border is also pretty desolate. What has always been weird to me though is that in several directions, the terrain deteriorates within a couple miles of the CO border. Weird because the state borders are along longitude and latitude lines. In any case, what I love are the mountains. NV claims to be the most mountainous state. But most of their mountains are brown, covered with grass, and look almost identical, mile after mile. WY, with their Grand Tetons, and MT with Glacier, May have more spectacular mountains, but in CO, they just go on and on. Much of the western half of the state is, on average, spectacular. Over 50 peaks over 14,000 feet, and hundreds over 13,000. For much of that part of the state, no one bothers to count the 12,000 foot peaks - the tops of which are still well above timber line.

Yes, I am highly prejudiced. My grandfather homesteaded in SW CO right before the war (WW I). My grandparents brought my father to Denver in maybe 1924, and he died in the mountains west of Denver over 90 years later. My grandparents took my father all over western CO growing up, and our parents did the same for us. I tried to do the same for my kid. Last year, after grad school innUlder, they moved down to Golden. And I get new pictures of them and their friends weekly, mostly skiing, or on some mountain top looking over hundreds, if not thousands, of square miles of mountain tops. Wish I were back there more often, but gave up my last CO residence two years ago. This part of MT has decent mountains, which helps, but it isn’t the same. Just not nearly the volume of spectacular scenery.

Darcy said...

I think the homeless population has grown and I think it has to do with a culture, lenient cities and a lot of drug use. Homeless people are given drugs by dealers so that they can obtain fraudulent prescriptions. It's a lucrative business and growing.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Last year, after grad school Boulder, they moved down to Golden.”

Darcy said...

But I love the plains too! The eastern plains have their own beauty, to my eye. The people of the plains of Colorado are (from the two dozen or so that we know) rugged, salt of the earth types. Living off the land and praying for a lot of seasonal rain and snow.

Spectacular sunsets because it's so flat the horizon looks endless. The plains are being littered with those God-awful turbines, though. Harvest time is fun out there. So are the rodeos.

Richard Dolan said...

Local democracy in action is a wonder to behold. So, now the good citizens of Denver get to decide how this will come out, and then they get to live with the results.

jimbino said...

Granting homeless persons "the right to camp anywhere" is a joke. As the Declaration of Independence points out, human rights are natural rights, not dependent on a grant by gummint.

A person has a natural right to self-preservation and self-defense, which include the right to sleep and pee, regardless of what the gummint might think and might express in its laws.

For that reason, every woman has the right to kill an unwanted and life/health threatening growth in her body, regardless of what the Supremes do with Roe v. Wade, and the homeless person has a natural right to walk or recline or pee on this earth, especially when the life/health of others is not compromised.

Michael K said...

especially when the life/health of others is not compromised.

Like fetuses near term ? Don't get me wrong. I am pro-choice until about 12 to 14 weeks. From 20 weeks on, it's a baby. Look at an ultrasound.

mockturtle said...

Yes, I am highly prejudiced. My grandfather homesteaded in SW CO right before the war (WW I). My grandparents brought my father to Denver in maybe 1924, and he died in the mountains west of Denver over 90 years later.

My great, great grandparents settled in the area around Boulder. They became cattle ranchers, mainly, with some mining interests. I spent a lot of lovely summers at their ranch in the foothills. My parents were born there [my mother's from Fort Collins] but moved to the west coast after WWII, as he wasn't interested in ranching. They moved back to CO after retirement. None of them would be pleased with what has happened to the area now. In fact, they loathed Boulder when they lived there. But yes it's a pretty state and I always enjoyed the nightly thunderstorms over the Rockies. Maybe I'm prejudiced but I think Washington State has the most beautiful mountains.

Michael K said...

My grandparents took my father all over western CO growing up, and our parents did the same for us.

I remember a long, long time ago, driving for miles and miles along the eastern side of the Rockies and all alongside the highway was signs that the property was "The Running W Cattle Company." It went for miles and miles.

I have friends who have a huge ranch south of Tucson but this was right along the highway. My friends' ranch is isolated.

mockturtle said...

My grandparents and aunts and uncles climbed Longs Peak many times and my grandmother wore a dress. I have photos. Mid-1920's.

Michael K said...

yes, will require a lot of mental health resources,

I used to take my medical students down to LA's skid row so they could see their county patients in the wild, so to speak.

There were half a dozen shelters at the time. The shelter directors told us that 60% of the homeless were psychotic and 60% were addicts. Half of each group is both. About 10% were "situational homeless" meaning living in their cars for a month.

It's an interesting subculture. I have many stories. I have no idea what is going on now.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

oh FFS! "Right To Survive"??? This from the Abortion Party??

n.n said...

Right to Survive... Right to Life. Losing their ethics. A moral change at the twilight fringe?

This from the Abortion Party??

It's a Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice, Pro-Choice Party, and they'll change their minds when it is opportune, convenient, profitable.

n.n said...

Week 5

Week 5 is the start of the "embryonic period." This is when all the baby's major systems and structures develop.
The embryo's cells multiply and start to take on specific functions. This is called differentiation.
Blood cells, kidney cells, and nerve cells all develop.
The embryo grows rapidly, and the baby's external features begin to form.
Your baby's brain, spinal cord, and heart begin to develop.
Baby's gastrointestinal tract starts to form.
It is during this time in the first trimester that the baby is most at risk for damage from things that may cause birth defects. This includes certain medicines, illegal drug use, heavy alcohol use, infections such as rubella, and other factors.

Weeks 6 to 7

Arm and leg buds start to grow.
Your baby's brain forms into 5 different areas. Some cranial nerves are visible.
Eyes and ears begin to form.
Tissue grows that will become your baby's spine and other bones.
Baby's heart continues to grow and now beats at a regular rhythm.
Blood pumps through the main vessels.


Fetal development

gilbar said...
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jimbino said...

@Michael K

You seem to think that a woman does not have a natural self-defense right kill a fetus threatening her life and health once it reaches 20 weeks gestation or so.

Do you realize that in this country you have the right to kill an adult person (even the president or an Adolph Hitler) in self-defense if you reasonably feel him/her an imminent threat to your life or health, and you don't even have to be a White cop?

And self-defense law countenances doing what you need to do to stop mere touching by another person (like Biden) against your will, if necessary.

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Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

oh FFS! "Right To Survive"??? This from the Abortion Party??

Really. These people are that Orwellian

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Jimbino - catch up. The latest and greatest is to kill an unwanted baby after it is born. ya know - with the doc and mother there, making the decision. It's very kind.

JackWayne said...

So far nobody has thanked the appropriate government entity for this awful mess. TSCOTUS, who all live in gated communities and are protected by the Secret Service. It’s not all a Democrat thing, it’s a globalist elite thing.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

MockTurtule - Longs peak is a tough climb. I've not tried it and I do not plan to. In a dress is very impressive. I've hiked about 10 other 14ers with perhaps a few more to go. One re-do.
Anyhow, Longs is appropriately named, for the hike itself is very l o n g. I have a cousin who lives in Ft Collins who climbed it. He was shocked to find out it's flat on top.

Bruce Hayden said...

“My grandparents and aunts and uncles climbed Longs Peak many times and my grandmother wore a dress. I have photos. Mid-1920's.”

Only climbed it myself twice. Kinda defeats the purpose of you can drive or take a cog railroad to the top. Don’t remember the actual year, sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, but the song America the Beautiful was written after a wagon trip to the top of Pikes Peak on 4th of July. Before I learned it’s history, I had my suspicions, with the spacious skies over the wide open prairie running east from there, visible for hundreds of miles, across the grain fields of eastern CO, and if you see Pikes Peak in the right light, it is a bit purple.

Given your family’s background in Ft Collins and Boulder, I think it likely that we know people who knew each other from back then. Sister- in-law’s ancestors came from just east of Ft Collins and from Steamboat Springs. And the family of neighbors growing up had a brickyard in E Boulder that had started in the 19th Century in nearby Longmont. I spent a half year working there in the mid 1970s, mostly in Boulder, but once a month they would fire up the pug mill and ovens in Longmont to keep their grandfathered status.

My four brothers and I were all born in Denver, but emigrated from there to the western suburbs (Lakewood) when I was five, and then to Golden at ten. Golden has mesas on either side, effectively separating it from the Denver suburbs. We lived on the north side of the southern Mesa, and had horses up through junior high. We would get up on the Mesa after school and ride for miles, rarely seeing anyone else. It was weird, being so close to suburbia, yet having that much open space so close. Walked up there some when we lived on the other side of the Mesa several years ago, and it hasn’t changed that much. It is mostly now JeffCo Open Space now, paid for with lottery money. Though civilization does creep in. For example, NREL covers the slope up to near the top on the NE corner. I remember riding through where NREL now is on a number of occasions in the early 1960. We would range as far south as the Denver West shopping center, right across Colfax from Colorado Mills.

MB said...

Seems like a great blackmail opportunity. You cannot force the homeless to move, but maybe you can mollify them.
Eventually, any business that's not yet inside a mall would go there.
For now, malls are still allowed some discretion. So the next proposal should be that, as long as you are running a public facility, whether it's really public or it's in fact private, you have to allow homeless people to use it as well.
Let them pitch their tents inside the malls! How long can we, as a society, put up with such discrimination? This is not who we are.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

I grew up in CO and I've watched Downtown Denver change a lot from decade to decade. The 1970's oil boom - and the 1980's bust. I used to work in LoDo in the early 1990's - on Wynkoop Street near Union Station. Back then, Wynkoop street was the edge of the universe. What sat beyond Wynkoop to the north were creepy old viaducts, with dark underbellies, vacant wasteland of dirty lots and chain link fences and old railroad tracks. and dead bums.
Now it's all built up shiny and new and revitalized to the hilt. Union Station is a bustling station again. Parts of the newer sections of town are probably cleaner and safer than the tired 16th street mall.
When I visit Denver, it's usually highlands, (Little big man/Linger) with a walk over the bridges to LoDo. You can walk to the Ballpark too. It's a hike but pretty safe. I agree with Darcy's husband - never do it alone. But that's true of any city. Denver used to be a lot safer. Not any more. Drugs and creepy zombies all over... and that smell.

Tho nothing compares to San Fransisco near Civic Center. poo and pee are the potpourri.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

oops

LittleManIceCream

mockturtle said...

I was in CO last spring visiting my parents' grave. Was surprised by the traffic in Boulder! Whizzed through Denver. When we were little, my grandfather used to take my brother and me to the museum of natural history in Denver. Plus Elich's [?] gardens or Lakeside amusement parks. We went to Estes Park a lot. [It used to be a small village]. Fished in the St. Vrain River.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The old Elich gardens was the BEST. So many good memories. I confess I've never been to Lakeside.
Mock - are your folks buried on their old ranch?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The newer Elich gardens is a hot mess. The rides are terrible and its location makes Denver look stupid. That land is really valuable and I guess in about 20 years they might move it. I wish they would move it now and create a safe green belt for commuters making the connections and trekking to Mile High for a football game. Right now the walk to so screwy.

mockturtle said...

Nope, the cemetery. Their old ranch [or, rather, my grandparents' ranch] is now wall-to-wall subdivisions.

JackWayne said...

Meanwhile, NYC homelessness is really bad.

Michael K said...

Do you realize that in this country you have the right to kill an adult person (even the president or an Adolph Hitler) in self-defense if you reasonably feel him/her an imminent threat to your life or health, and you don't even have to be a White cop?

Yeah and you have the right to go to prison unless you have a very good reason.

Look, I know you lefties want infanticide to be legal but there are laws, or should be even in blue states.

Just be happy your mother was not as "Woke" as you are.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

@ Bruce -
We lived on the north side of the southern Mesa, ..

Where Rolling Hills country club is now?

jimbino said...

@BleachBit-and-Hammers

The latest and greatest is to kill an unwanted baby after it is born. ya know - with the doc and mother there, making the decision.

Right, and self-defense would be both necessary and sufficient defense.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

I grew up just east and north of the North Table Mesa. Unincorporated Arvada. a stone throw away from Golden's outer bounds. In the sticks. It's now all built up and suburbia.

Greg Q said...

jimbino said...

You seem to think that a woman does not have a natural self-defense right kill a fetus threatening her life and health once it reaches 20 weeks gestation or so.


No, you do NOT have a "self defense right" to kill someone for threatening your "mental health."

You can kill someone who is threatening you with "great bodily injury." Look it up. It means something on the order of losing an eye. NOT "feeling bad" which is all you need for a "threat to health."

Do you always shoot your mouth off without doing any research? Or is abortion "special"?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Self defense? Are you serious or high on meth? Once the child is born and the mother lives, the baby must die?

This is why your party is so f^%$ing scary.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

If the mother dies in child birth - hopefully the democrats will claim self defense and murder the baby.

This is what passes for ... meth or Fentanyl, dude?

cacimbo said...

Remember Occupy Wall Street. Their free food for all quickly attracted a large homeless contingent. Years later one of the original occupiers admitted to me that by the end of the two month occupation the original occupiers were terrified of their homeless co-occupiers.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...
If the mother dies in child birth - hopefully the democrats will claim self defense and murder the baby."

Well, jimbino knows how terrifying and dangerous newborn babies are. Those little demons.

Michael K said...

Right, and self-defense would be both necessary and sufficient defense.

Jimbino you are a riot. Try that in court sometime.

The Babylon Bee is hiring, I hear,

Lewis Wetzel said...

Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London is highly recommended. You can probably read the ebook free if you search on Gutenberg Australia.
Orwell catalogs what we call the homeless and that he called bums or hoboes. It's a hard life. No women, lots of violence, lots of drink. It's fair to say that any money not immediately needed for survival was spent on booze. Being moneyless and creditless is like a prison, in a way, you have very few options that lead to survival, and none of those options are pleasant.
In England Orwell described a loose army of hoboes. You couldn't stay anywhere for more than a night because then the police would arrest you for vagrancy, so they were always on the move. Some towns would let you stay the night in a sort jail-shelter. You would get a meal and a place to sleep, but they lectured you, deloused you, and shaved your head. And you could only stay one night.

Fen said...


Inmate #4555621 said "And self-defense law countenances doing what you need to do to stop mere touching by another person"

Noooooooo. Please read the relevant laws. To use lethal force in self-defense there must be a reasonable threat of grievous bodily harm and that threat must be imminent.

I'm currently snarly with Legal Insurrection, but Andrew Branca has given the best analysis on what the law says about the right of self-defense.

Andrew Branca has given the best analysis on what the law says about the right of self-defense.

(I know, you're an idiot and won't watch, but others will and maybe it will save their life)

Fen said...

a natural self-defense right kill a fetus threatening her life

How can something not "alive" threaten anyone, Slow Jim?

funsize said...

Bleachbit-n-hammers, McNeil island isn't exactly pristine. It's where we keep our sexually violent offenders apparently (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Commitment_Center). HOWEVER it is an excellent opportunity, and the fact that they won't take it tells you everything.

funsize said...

also, for those of you who do Facebook, check out the page "seattle looks like shit" and consider making one/contributing to such a page for your area. This sort of problem needs to be dealt with, and being in-your-face about it may be the last option.