Those who are coming to terms with the wrongness of their belief in the Russia collusion may take refuge in the idea that the other side is delusional.
ADDED: One way to deal with the collapse of the big Russia hoax is to switch to all the many things, the "multiple fronts." I only looked at the headline. I just don't believe Greg Sargent's scattershot approach is anything but an attempt to recover from the devastating loss of the fantasy that the President of the United States is in some elaborate, nefarious collusion with Russia.
But I'll read the Sargent piece so you don't have to. The "multiple fronts" on which Trump is "floundering" are: 1. Trump's attempt to make health-care reform a central issue for the GOP, 2. Trump's threat to close the border with Mexico unless Mexico helps with illegal immigration, 3. Oh... I think that's it. Hm. 2 things. I don't think you should say "multiple" unless you've got at least 3.
Sargent concludes: "Trump is floundering around disastrously on multiple fronts. We need to see what’s right at the end of our noses." It is right at the end of our nose, and it stinks, like a rotten flounder.
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It's what their audience wants, nothing else. It's a business.
Those who are coming to terms with the wrongness of their belief in the Russia collusion may take refuge in the idea that the other side is delusional.
Twas always going to be the case.
"We're not so much wrong, but wrong about exactly what we were right about.
Best headline on the page: "The unspoken Barr memo travesty: Using two spaces after a period"
Wake up, sheeple! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE...!!
Same $h!t, different way...
They may have been wrong, but not wrong-wrong.
Certainly not delusional-wrong.
And most certainly not delusional-delusional.
The consequences are just too high for that to be true.
Quick, somebody look up Trump's golf handicap.
Whew! All is right again in the world.
WaPoo's predictable Trump doomcasting notwithstanding, one thing I will criticize Trump on is his continued insistance on the Fed lowering interest rates.
They're rearranging the goalposts on the Titanic.
rhhardin said...
It's what their audience wants, nothing else. It's a business.
The wapo loses money.
It is owned by someone who makes an order of magnitude more money in one year than his one time purchase years ago.
It is a tool and certainly not run by someone who wants profits.
It has a different purpose.
Questions people need to start asking:
Is the Democrat Party mentally healthy enough to wield power?
Or like it's guns, do we need to take away its ability to legislate until it can receive the requisite care?
Perhaps then it can regain control of its own affairs such that it doesn't pose a mortal danger to itself and innocent bystanders.
I don't think you should say "multiple" unless you've got at least 3.
One is a multiple of 1.
So is zero.
3. Oh... I think that's it. Hm. 2 things. I don't think you should say "multiple" unless you've got at least 3
That's Sargent's current Adderall dose speaking.
Years ago I saw a movie called "This Is England" about a kid who gets mixed up in a group of skinheads in the early 80's. Initially, the skinheads are a fairly harmless group of bored kids who hang out together. Then someone more radical joins and over the course of the movie he drives the group in a more radical direction.
What struck me about it was the way they radicalized in steps, and at each step, the kids for whom it was a step too far left. As they left, the group didn't just get smaller, it got crazier. The people who remained were, on average, more radical.
I see the #resistance in a similar way. As its reason for existing fades away, it does not. The more marginal people drift off, but the people who stay, far from coming to their senses, actually become more crazed, more irrational. And at some point they become legitimately dangerous.
Given the waves of “asylum seekers” at the Southern Border, the immigration issue is coming front and center.
Like The Socialism Issue.
And the MeToo But Not Joe Hypocrisy.
Jussie Smollet. The Desperate Housewives College Admissions Program.
The Russia Delusion.
Trump has them right where he wants them.
Trump is a Steady Hand on the Tiller. Good economy. No stupid wars.
The Left is Stark Raving Mad.
It is a tool and certainly not run by someone who wants profits.
It's run by someone who wants readers. He's got to supply what they want.
"an attempt to recover from the devastating loss of the fantasy that the President of the United States is in some elaborate, nefarious collusion with Russia."
Not to mention an attempt to recover from the devastating loss of the 2016 presidential election to this guy.
Probably also trying to recover from the sneaking suspicion that he's going to win again in 2020.
It would almost be sad if it weren't so funny.
I think the word wanted here is "founder" but it would seem to apply to Trump's opposition rather than to him.
It does not matter what Trump does, the sky is always falling and it’s Trumps fault.
The msm is in a death spiral, and I don’t think they even see it.
And the elite / deepstate / Democrats are in a cage fight with Trump to the death.
And they have a glass jaw having been so effective on using Alinsky tactics, especially accusations of racism and sexism to freeze the target. But, Trump Punches back using Alinsky tactics,and they have no defense.
The welcome back Joe video is a great example. Multiple Alinsky rules including make the other side play by their own rules, mock the target, freeze it.
I have a gut feeling the Herman Cain nomination is another...
Blogger Nonapod said...
... one thing I will criticize Trump on is his continued insistance on the Fed lowering interest rates.
That jawboning is simply going on record to make clear who's responsible for the consequence if rates are increased.
Yes, we are finally getting tired of Trump winning all of the time. But he cheats at golf, so that helps some. Next he will cut a great China Deal and secretly fix Venezuela while his son-in-law makes Middle East Peace and he makes the FED put working Americans first. And we are back where we started winning all the time.
Whether Trump is "floundering" or not right now, it strikes me that it is principally by floundering that Trump succeeds when he does.
The only criticism of Trump that I think is valid is that he was naive to think the Republican Congress actually meant what they said to the voters. He may have believed that having a GOP president meant that stuff would actually get done.
He skipped Angelo Codevilla's essay,.
Looking at the latest batch of crazy-talk headlines, I find myself strangely comforted by the "they're all meth-heads" hypothesis discussed earlier today.
The Resistance is melting down......fast.
Circle jerk
DougWeber - "I think the word wanted here is "founder"
Naa, he used "flounder" correctly. He purports to watching Trump floundering. His dream of course is that Trump's supposed floundering will ultimately result in Trump's foundering.
They do have hope; I saw a clip of Beto backing reparations..that's a winning combo!!!
I don't think you should say "multiple" unless you've got at least 3.
Here's the Only Thing i retained from Mr Thune's Eng 104 (back in 1983). Written on my paper was:
"Two is Not Several"
Russia “Hoax” Derangement Syndrome.
No greater gift to the Russians than the democratic pravda media. Rachel Maddow is king.
Un-named sources, those refusing to be named, who will not be named - but they say - and they are experts - that the Mueller report is really bad for Trump.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
Russia “Hoax” Derangement Syndrome.
You know, I agree, The people who believe in the Russia hoax are deranged. I hope they keep at it though. That last thing we need right now is a rational Democrat candidate,
Shall we roll the tape of Rachel Maddow actually saying - out loud, on her TV show, that the US government is secretly run by Russians.
Inga wrote: Russia “Hoax” Derangement Syndrome.
Well, aren't you special? Be sure to stick that one to the refrigerator door with a nice banana-shaped magnet.
"the devastating loss of the fantasy that the President of the United States is in some elaborate, nefarious collusion with Russia"
Was it:
(A) A fantasy.
(B) A reality that didn't violate any laws.
(C) A crime that the prosecutors couldn't prove.
Althouse is making what would once for her have been an uncharacteristic assumption about the content of a report that she hasn't been given the opportunity to read. She assumes A but it seems more likely from the convictions obtained and the Barr summary to have been somewhere in the B to C range.
But even if it was fantasy that does not prove it was a mass delusion. The simpler explanation is that the media has been administering payback for Trump's touting of the birther hoax. I'll bet even Trump understands that.
Floundering his way to re-election and a wholly-owned GOP legislature.
“We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.”
Trump says “Hoax!” His sycophants say “How high?!”
Even from those who should know better.
The Left Bank of the Charles hypothesized:
Was it:
(A) A fantasy.
(B) A reality that didn't violate any laws.
(C) A crime that the prosecutors couldn't prove.
(A) Fantasy? Not enough orcs.
(B) Huh? If B what was all the fuss about?
(C) Yeah. Those unproven crimes are a bane on proper government. Gotta have a Beria next time instead of a Mueller.
You left out (D) A failed treasonous plot against the Constitution
Keep chanting "Hoax!" while we frog-march Obama out of his Maui mansion in an orange jumpsuit.
"Never give up. Never surrender."
"I think the word wanted here is "founder" but it would seem to apply to Trump's opposition rather than to him."
This is a topic I've discussed on the blog ()here).
"Flounder" means to struggle, "founder" means to fail.
I think "flounder" actually is the better word, even though it makes us think of a silly image, involving a fish.
rhhardin said...
It is a tool and certainly not run by someone who wants profits.
It's run by someone who wants readers. He's got to supply what they want.
No. You're wrong. He doesn't want readers.
Well, if you want to be pedantic, they need a few readers, but those readers are the New York Times, the Gannett papers, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN. It's the old Hillary Clinton "vast right-wing conspiracy" (projection as of course this is what THEY do) transmission belt set up.
No actual human has to read The Washington Post at all. WP just has to publish, so that other media channels can infuse its purported prestigious premium content into their mix.
Here's an update on Inga's "hoax."
An FBI attache suggested he contact Misfud.
Misfud, out of the blue, informs him that Russia may have Hillary emails. (Something everyone was speculating about at the time -- hardly some kind of juicy RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE SECRET.)
He also says that Misfud himself has FBI, not Kremlin, ties.
Then Papadoplous mentions Misfud's gossip about Hillary's emails to an Australian diplomat named Alexander Downer, and Downer reports him to the FBI, and suddenly Papadopoulos is a spy being investigated by the FBI due the prompting of 1, and FBI attache telling him to take a meeting with Misfud, 2, the FBI asset Misfud dropping some random garbage gossip in his lap, and then him telling that to a 3, an Australian diplomat who's also in close contact with the FBI.
Sheesh! The only thing that would make this look more like a frame-up with the FBI providing the garbage gossip it would later claim to be Trafficking in Russian Intel would be if, say, Josef Misfud actually knew the diplomat Downer.
Which... he just might.
The plot thickens, just like Inga's soup.
He glommed onto what sid Blumenthal had conjured up against Obama Blumenthal having misrepresented how much europeam intelligence knew about curvenall he was their asset
the birther hoax
Clinton's calculated response to Obama factions' dirty tricks on the ground, which progressed under journolistic oversight as a cover-up for Obama spying, Clinton colluding (Water Closet), and DNC aborting democracy, and culminating in the eight trimester left-wing/establishment-sponsored Soviet hoax.
Looks like the beginning of the beginning of TDS 2.0.
This was tucked into a corner of Stephen gray's account on modern intelligence.
2 YEARS AND A pile of insider democratics - and they couldn't cobble together a crime.
Tax payer dollars well spent.
Meanwhile, the private server / Seth Rich is still dead left - march on.
Imagine for a moment that Trump was to suddenly die. How would they deal with that? They would certainly want to celebrate like it's VE day, kissing in the streets, huge font celebratory headlines, but they couldn't do that, could they?
No actual human has to read The Washington Post at all
Facebook, Alphabet et al bots driving page hits and perceptions.
I like the unintentional resonance of "flounder" with Animal House. WaPo readers are in the role of Flounder, and the WaPo is now telling them on the Russia Collusion narrative: "You trusted us. You fucked up."
It's the beginning of the end. It's the pre-founder flounder!
Trump was to suddenly die... huge font celebratory headlines, but they couldn't do that, could they?
Yes, they can. There are a diverse assortment of scapegoats, including: the video, National Socialists, White [masculine male] Hispanics, warlocks (and witches), and the perennial favorite, unplanned babies. Off with their heads!
Someday they will sit around the fire in front of the cave and ask "Do you remember where you were on VT day?"
frog-march Obama out of his Maui mansion in an orange jumpsuit
The magic eight ball shows: not bloody likely. Too many overlapping and converging interests, foreign and domestic, and Democrat present-day leverage of diversity, to permit that sacrifice. Perhaps an Orange Hispanic with European labels will suffice.
No actual human has to read The Washington Post at all. WP just has to publish, so that other media channels can infuse its purported prestigious premium content into their mix.
^^ I came here to write this. Yes, the primary goal is that of agitprop. To influence. To tell people how to think.
Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.
Five is not right out, however.
Hunter: "They're rearranging the goalposts on the Titanic."
and sticking their head in an ostrich.
Fan mail from some flounder?
No! This is what I really call a message!
There are actual journalists on the Left who haven't succumbed to TDS. Check out this Bloggingheads for an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfMwXsWbvuk
Mate is doing actual journalism here, and reporting the facts as he knows them. He's not wishcasting Trump's impeachment.
You can really see Bob Wright struggling on this one. He's still tossing out the talking points, but you can sense that his heart isn't in it.
Compare and contrast these two with the mass of crazed TDS sufferers on the MSM.
A good follow-up is Mate's piece on the subject: https://www.thenation.com/article/rip-russiagate/
Source tell Dillboard magazine that Jick Magger is resting comfortably after a successful heart operation.
Watching the news last night over dinner a report came on about Trump postponing the closing of the US/Mexico border. My wife, who is not the cynic in the family, turned to me and said, "How long do you think it will be until all the people that were howling about Trump closing the border start howling about Trump not closing the border?". I, being the cynic, said, "It has already happened", just in time for some video of Pelosi making a statement critical of Trump for flip-flopping on the border closing.
This may not yet have reached the level of Althouse Boring™ but it sure is perfectly predictable.
The 'Laundry list'!!
Now- how much do you need for a barrage?
Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...Looking at the latest batch of crazy-talk headlines, I find myself strangely comforted by the "they're all meth-heads" hypothesis discussed earlier today.
--
i.e. "There's a meth-head to their madness."
By the way, are Mueller and Rosenstein precluded from commenting?
Fish lips are succulent.
"Flounder, you're such a guppy!"
I still say it looks like fugu.
The end of TDS? How can they give it up? It doesn't appear that they have anything else.
Left Bank of the Charles: But even if it was fantasy that does not prove it was a mass delusion. The simpler explanation is that the media has been administering payback for Trump's touting of the birther hoax. I'll bet even Trump understands that.
Yeah, birther hoax put about by private citizen conspiracy-mongers, and a hoax put on by organs of the state, abetted by the fourth estate, to overturn an election. Sure, makes perfect sense. Perfectly understandable tit-for-tat from responsible journalists.
Reading posts from the resident progs these days is like watching the progress of pathetic junkies as they descend further and further down the scale of degradation. Just yesterday, champagne-commenters riding high with the mighty, intoxicating victory at hand, today, all self-respect gone, reduced to posting idiotic revisions and exculpations, the posting equivalent of winos drinking sterno in that last, desperate attempt to revive that high.
(They no longer feel embarrassment or shame; the people watching them feel if for them.)
Very few Dems are able to admit that one of the main reasons Trump won in 2016 is that Hilllary Clinton was a terrible candidate who ran a bone-headed campaign. Taibbi wrote a recent piece in Rolling Stone enumerating the many ways Trump won, absent Russian Collusion, but he left that part out.
Last night at the WaPo editorial meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzhb3U2cONs
Hippogryph said...
Whether Trump is "floundering" or not right now, it strikes me that it is principally by floundering that Trump succeeds when he does.
People like to talk about political smarts in terms of "29-D chess", but Trump's main skill seems to be an ability to "read the room". It's why Twitter works so well for him: he can throw out a lot of different little lines and whichever ones get the response he's looking for he can follow up. He doesn't really commit himself to one line of attack. Ditto with his policy stuff. He'll push something, and if it isn't working he'll back off and try something else.
I actually thought some of this nonsense would end with the Mueller report.
Now I find that it just made liberals stupider.
But even if it was fantasy that does not prove it was a mass delusion. The simpler explanation is that the media has been administering payback for Trump's touting of the birther hoax.
Once again, how does one even address this level of insanity?
Greg Sargent has always been a dishonest piece of shit anyway. It's not surprising he can seamlessly pivot and complain about something else Trump did, didn't do or is powerless to change. What else can he do after the collusion scam went away? I remember Greg chortiling about Trump's "Failed NAFTA reboot" just days before he signed a new agreement with Mexico.
Ann Althouse said...
"Flounder" means to struggle, "founder" means to fail.
"May I have 10,000 marbles please? "
Joeseph Mifsud was GCHQ's and MI6's go-to guy for smearing people with having "Russian connections." They did that multiple times with British citizens. Who had no Russian connections. Ironically, GCHQ and MI6 is filled with Soviet fan girls and boys.
Imagine for a moment that Trump was to suddenly die. How would they deal with that? They would certainly want to celebrate like it's VE day, kissing in the streets, huge font celebratory headlines, but they couldn't do that, could they?
Of course they could. And they would.
But what they don't understand is that Trump is a symptom. Not a solution.
With or without Trump, the underlying problem remains. They will be forced to reckon with it whether they want to or not.
"Ditto with his policy stuff. He'll push something, and if it isn't working he'll back off and try something else."
For years, I had this FDR quote on my bulletin board at work:
"Do something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.”
Blogger Ray - SoCal said...It does not matter what Trump does, the sky is always falling and it’s Trumps fault......4/5/19, 11:00 AM
I agree 100%! Read another article today from HuffPost where Stephen King (a TDS afflicted moron) said the "College Bribery" scandal was due to the Trump era. This despite the fact that the first bribery occurred in 2011 under the sainted Obama era.
Our culture has pushed to the MSM the elements of all the tabloids like "The Enquirer". What a sad state of affairs.
Actually on the "flounder" vs "founder" I fear I was making a subtle point. While one may try to describe Trump as "floundering", I think it is appropriate to describe his opposition as "foundering". Note the continuation of the the statement.
Objectively, Trump’s immigration and health-care efforts have been utter fiascos marked by own-goal incompetence, but don’t expect either side to notice: They’re both too invested in the myth of the All-Powerful Trump.
Objectively, Trump’s immigration and health-care efforts have been utter fiascos
The only things that have stopped Trump's agenda are Never-Trump Republicans and Resistance Democrats--along with Lefty judges and the sword of the Mueller investigation hanging over his head. FOAD, Earnest.
"They would certainly want to celebrate like it's VE day, kissing in the streets, huge font celebratory headlines, but they couldn't do that, could they?"
They could and they would, though with oft mentioned and extreme reluctance.
Oh, great. Just as weather begins to improve here, Trump announces a visit.
Now, it starts raining again.
Bastard!
Objectively, Trump’s immigration and health-care efforts have been utter fiascos marked by own-goal incompetence,
Why, bless your heart. You might read the Constitution about where legislation begins. Trump was naive, as I posted elsewhere today, because he thought the GOP Congress was interested in having a GOP president who would sign all those bills that Obama vetoed. Guess what ? They were lying about all that stuff. At least the Democrats weren't lying. They hate Trump and will never pass a bill to fund a border wall or to reform health care.
It is "insurance care," not "health care," they are diddling around with.
Blogger FullMoon said...
Oh, great. Just as weather begins to improve here, Trump announces a visit.
Now, it starts raining again.
If Al Gore came, it would have snowed.
More hypocrisy. Nadler, Holder, now Feinstein:
Washington Examiner
Dianne Feinstein's blue-slip flip-flop
April 05, 2019
"...On March 6, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., accused Republicans of “ongoing disregard for Senate norms and traditions.” In particular, she said that the majority was essentially casting aside the blue slip courtesy, holding hearings over the objection of home-state senators."
'...In 2001...Feinstein argued that “the blue slip should hold no place in this body.” The Judiciary Committee’s duty, she said, “leaves no room for a secret block on nominees by any Member which prevents their hearing and confirmation.”
Feinstein continued, explaining how “the rationale behind the blue slip process is faulty” because it has become a way to “stop nominees for political or other reasons having nothing to do with qualifications” and the “blue slip process as it now stands is open to abuse.”'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dianne-feinsteins-blue-slip-flip-flop
Seems like you can't be a politician without talking out of both sides of your mouth.
"Objectively, Trump’s immigration and health-care efforts have been utter fiascos marked by own-goal incompetence,"
Maybe it's my lack of imagination, but what can he do? Congress won't act, and if he does it on his own they find some Obama judge to stop it anyway. He has two branches of government and the press determined to stop anything he does. He might win at the SCOTUS, but I assume you want action now.
Worst Hitler ever..
Let’s hear it for Herman Cain. He is going onto the FED Board to help Trump shepherd the new Trump Gold Standard in to make the USA into an independent Nation again.
Thanks for the Bullwinkle, Fernandistein. A welcome addition to any day.
Has Dianne Feinstein replaced her Chinese spy yet?
20 years makes a tradition, right?
Trump made two big errors. He trusted Paul Ryan and he trusted Mitch Turkey McConnell.
He should have have traded border security for the tax cuts. That's what Ryan and McConnell really wanted because the Koch Brothers and the C of C wanted it. Instead he gave them tax cuts and accepted Ryan's promise that he'd get border fencing.
We know how that played out. The bottom line is McConnell wants open borders - he just won't say it out loud. Instead he says everything regarding immigration can be filibustered, therefore giving Schumer the veto. Notice that Mitch waited till after the Mueller report to stop Schumer from delaying lower level judges and cabinet jobs. And he's still keeping Trump from making recess appointments.
Here's Trump needs to do in 2020. Tell Schumer/Pelosi he'll support raising the minimum wage - big time, if they pass border security and reform immigration laws. 100-1 Schumer/Pelosi will refuse. And Trump will have a GREAT campaign issue. It will prove the Dem's really hate the working class.
Healthcare reform failed because of one man. John Foster McCain. The war hero - who ran on getting rid of Obamacare. And Trump fucked up, he trusted McCain to vote the way he said he would and not stab everyone in the back at the last second.
Fishy resemblance
Why, bless your heart. You might read the Constitution about where legislation begins.
We’re in violent agreement, sad to say. Like Obama, Trump entered office believing the general spin of the American media that the President is a kind of quasi-Emperor who can rule by decree; in reality an American President isn’t even king of his own party. But if Trump had devoted himself immediately and diligently to building a wall, holding other legislation like tax reform hostage, he would have forced his own party and Senate Democrats in swing states to compromise. Instead he negotiated against himself and got nothing.
“ FullMoon said...
Oh, great. Just as weather begins to improve here, Trump announces a visit.
Now, it starts raining again.
Bastard!”
Lucky it wasn’t Gore. Then it would be snowing.
"It is "insurance care," not "health care," they are diddling around with."
Hagar is exactly right here. I've been saying this for years: There is nothing, nothing, wrong with the health care per se (aside from the inevitable effects of flawed human nature) in this country.
That is why wealthy Canadians and Brits, and others, come here for their knees and heart valves.
What needs reform is the payment system. Chiefly, getting the government and insurance companies out of the transaction in most cases. Price transparency. One price for all, readily available for inspection by all. While you're at it, make it all tax-deductible too.
The rent-seekers in government, hospitals, and insurers are dead-set against against this, of course, for reasons too obvious to repeat here.
You don't insure your house against getting it painted, or cleaning the leaves out of the rain gutters, right? You don't insure your car against the need for oil changes or new wiper blades, right? Then what the hell do you need insurance for, for going to the doctor for an exam or a flu shot, or your dentist for a cleaning or cavity repair?
Insurance, properly speaking, is for expensive, rare, unforeseeable catastrophes: Tornadoes and fires for your house, collision or theft for your car.
Cancer, heart disease, major trauma, untreatable metabolic disorders and the like, for your body.
The left deliberately elides this distinction because no one likes buying insurance, but everybody wants to be able to get medical care when they need it. They want people to think that the alternative to the present system is "no medical care".
There is no end to the lies they are capable of. And there has never been a time in this country when the truly indigent could not get basic compassionate care, to anticipate the next objection.
We spend so much more on health care in this country than many other civilized places mainly because there are so many people making such a good living off of it, and I'm not talking about the docs or pharma execs when I say that. It's the non-value adding filter feeders in the system that cause the bloat. Time to get smart and cut them loose.
My own Republican Congresswoman lost, badly, last fall. In 2016 she ran against Obamacare, and won re-election. In 2017 she voted against AHCA. She was always open about being for open borders. In 2018 she lost. Not a coincidence, I believe. With respect to Obamacare and controlling the border, if the RNCC wants this district back they will have to consider putting up a candidate that differs from the Democrat on those issues. Otherwise why bother?
According to the BIPM
1 = single
2 = couple
3-5 = a few
6 = half dozen
7-11 = several
12 = dozen
Multiple refers to Michael Jackson and kids. Or Joe Biden and sniffed heads. Or my wife and her...well, you know...
"Those who are coming to terms with the wrongness of their belief in the Russia collusion may take refuge in the idea that the other side is delusional."
Wrongness in my belief? Facts are on my side. For example, Judge Amy Berman Jackson concluded in her hearing on Paulie Manafort's agreement breach of plea on February 4 that Trump's former campaign manager's sharing of polling data with Kilimnik was a key question in Mueller’s inquiry, as it was an intentional link to Russia. She establishes this by noting that Manafort knew the polling data would be shared with someone in Russia (Oleg Deripaska) and two other Oligarchs who turned out to be Ukrainians.
So William Barr lied - out and out lied.
“They no longer feel embarrassment or shame; the people watching them feel if for them.)”
Everyday I say something very similar to myself about Trump Cultists. I then have to ask, what the hell is wrong with them, poor benighted souls.
“Wrongness in my belief? Facts are on my side. For example, Judge Amy Berman Jackson concluded in her hearing on Paulie Manafort's agreement breach of plea on February 4 that Trump's former campaign manager's sharing of polling data with Kilimnik was a key question in Mueller’s inquiry, as it was an intentional link to Russia. She establishes this by noting that Manafort knew the polling data would be shared with someone in Russia (Oleg Deripaska) and two other Oligarchs who turned out to be Ukrainians.”
Don’t confuse them with the facts.
Inga, if you’re going to lie... and you can’t help yourself... at least lie in a more convincing manner than my 3 year old grandson.
Gadfly and Inga to revise Mueller final report. Because polling data.
2-1/2 years of repetitive and outrageous lying on this board about the Russia collusion hoax, Inga, and you aren’t even ashamed of yourself.
You must be one of those sociopaths lefties are always yakking about.
They were his former partners Deripaska had been contracted years ago, to find agent Levinson through his resources klimnik had worked for a state department outfit only a few years earlier.
Now berman Jackson once had a client who took 500 k from Nigerian oligarchs in cold hard cash, and I'm not being metaphorical.
That Paul Manafort shared some polling data with a likely Russian agent (some of which was apparently public anyway) is hardly some great act of treason, let's be honest here. If after the better part of 2 years, with an army of determined investigators and infinite resources, if that's the best evidence for "Russion collusion" Mueller uncovered, that's pretty weak gruel and Barr was absolutely correct to not categorize it as such.
“My colleagues may think it’s OK that the Russians offered ‘dirt’ on a Democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government’s effort to help the Trump campaign. You might think that’s OK,” Schiff said to Republican lawmakers during the hearing. “My colleagues might think it’s OK that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the president’s son did not call the FBI, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. No, instead that son said that he would ‘love’ the help of the Russians.”
Schiff went on: “You might think it’s OK that he took that meeting. You might think it’s OK that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience at running campaigns, took that meeting. You might think it’s OK that the president’s son-in-law also took that meeting. You might think it’s OK that they concealed it from the public.
"You might think it’s OK that their only disappointment from that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn’t better. You might think it’s OK that when it was discovered, a year later, they then lied about that meeting and said that it was about adoptions. You might think that it’s OK that it was reported that the president helped dictate that lie. You might think that’s OK. I don’t.
“You might think it’s OK that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a Russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness. You might think that’s OK, I don’t," Schiff continued, referring to reports that Manafort had offered briefings on the campaign to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska.
"You might think it’s OK that that campaign chairman offered polling data to someone linked to Russian intelligence. I don’t think that’s OK," Schiff added, referring to court documents demonstrating that Manafort had met Konstantin Kilimnik, a suspected member of Russian intelligence, in Madrid and gave him polling data on the 2016 presidential election.
"You might think it’s OK that the president himself called on Russia to hack his opponent’s emails, if they were listening. You might think it’s OK that later that day the Russians attempted to hack a server affiliated with that campaign. I don’t think that’s OK," Schiff said.
"You might think it’s OK that the president's son-in-law attempted to establish a secret back channel of communication with the Russians through a Russian diplomatic facility. I don’t think that’s OK," he added.
"You might think it’s OK that an associate of the president made direct contact with the GRU [Russian military intelligence], through Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaks, that is considered a hostile intelligence agency," Schiff continued, referring to Trump associate Roger Stone's communications with a hacker of Democratic National Committee data named Guccifer, as well as WikiLeaks." You might think it’s OK that a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say in terms of dirt on his opponent.
“You might think it’s OK that the national security adviser designate secretly conferred with the Russian ambassador, undermining U.S. sanctions, and you might think it’s OK that he lied about it to the FBI,” Schiff said, referring to Michael Flynn. “You might say that’s all OK, that’s what you need to do to win. But I don’t think it’s OK.”
Schiff added: "Now I have always said that the question of whether this amounts to proof of conspiracy was another matter. Whether the special counsel could prove beyond a reasonable doubt the proof of that crime would be up to the special counsel, and I would accept his decision, and I do. But I do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is OK. And the day we do, think that's OK, is the day we look back and say that is the day that America lost its way."
https://www.newsweek.com/adam-schiff-trump-collusion-russia-1378232
Inga lashes out that everyone is a cultist, while she desperately clings to the big lie that Trump is a Russian agent who stole the election from its rightful owner.
-The Russian conspiracy is as cult as you can get.
Meanwhile - democratics use their high ranking government power positions for their son's international pay-to-play money-grubbing schemes - in real life.
Where's team Mueller on this ? --->
Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare
Now Michael cohens atty Lanny Davis also worked for Dimitri firtash hes a bigger player, who also retained Michael Chertoff a big cheese with general Hayden in the deplatforming effort.
LOL - Adam Schiff has ZERO credibility. None.
Lisa page tried to extradite firtash from Austria based on bribery charges in india?? But she screwed it up.
rhhardin said...
It is a tool and certainly not run by someone who wants profits.
It's run by someone who wants readers. He's got to supply what they want.
The only readers Bezos cares about are in DC.
The Wapo is a tool he uses to gain leverage in his negotiations with Washington DC and the regulatory beast.
Pushing deep state narratives for the deep state is an inducement to good will for his much larger and much more important endeavor.
He also uses it to bash people in DC. It is a carrot and a stick but it has nothing to do with anyone not in the regulatory state.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
“My colleagues may think it’s OK that the Russians offered ‘dirt’ on a Democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government’s effort to help the Trump campaign. You might think that’s OK,” Schiff said to Republican lawmakers during the hearing. “My colleagues might think it’s OK that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the president’s son did not call the FBI, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. No, instead that son said that he would ‘love’ the help of the Russians.”
The dirt was offered by people the Hillary campaign literally paid for.
A campaign did collude with the Russians and the English and the Australians.
The democrats and the Hillary campaign.
They are all traitors and so are people who still support them knowing all this.
“LOL - Adam Schiff has ZERO credibility. None.”
LOL, says you, one of the biggest TrumpCultists and sycophants here. For people to throw shade at Schiff yet continue to believe what Trump says after his daily lies, is truly not normal. But what is is new?
Inga...Allie Oop said...
Schiff went on: “You might think it’s OK that he took that meeting. You might think it’s OK that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience at running campaigns, took that meeting. You might think it’s OK that the president’s son-in-law also took that meeting. You might think it’s OK that they concealed it from the public.
That meeting was set up by Fusion GPS who coordinated every part of it working with the Russians in question.
Fusion GPS was a paid adjunct of Hillary's campaign.
What did Hillary know and when did she know it?
The coup failed.
It is time for consequences.
Shes free to consume those magic beans but apelbaums analysis tells us different, she shows not only the connection but the tools he used to discover them.
“LOL - Adam Schiff has ZERO credibility. None.”
LOL, says you, one of the biggest TrumpCultists and sycophants here. For people to throw shade at Schiff yet continue to believe what Trump says after his daily lies, is truly not normal. But what is is new?
Schiff is a traitor.
So is anyone who supports him and his efforts with all publicly available knowledge.
It is time for the Stalinists to pay.
“Schiff is a traitor.
So is anyone who supports him and his efforts with all publicly available knowledge.
It is time for the Stalinists to pay.”
You see? This is your brain on Trump.
Actually - Inga - you know I'm not a Trump cultist.
We all know you are a democratic progressive corruption excusing liar who watches Rachel Maddow as you blink and nod in mesmerized cult-like idiocy.
“Actually - Inga - you know I'm not a Trump cultist.”
Hahahahaha!
He, its dense work, Krugmans remaining grey matter would exit.
My God! It really is an illness. It's not a misunderstanding, or lack of knowledge or facts, or even confusion. It's a sickness that needs some kind of therapy, medicine, or hospitalization. I've never seen such clear impenetrable delusion. Just seek help. This is embarrassing.
Yes, you folks should be embarrassed.
'member that time when Rachal and Inga saw the Russian Oligarchs talking, on a Yacht. They were certain the conversation was all Trump. Proof! or treason! or proof!
You want to see Putin/Pravda's real poodles? They are Rachel Pravda Maddow and Adam Pravda Schiffty(D).
The simpler explanation is that the media has been administering payback for Trump's touting of the birther hoax.
Wow. That's the best you can come up with? Do you honestly believe they would have treated Trump differently if not for that?
It's because he's the boy shouting they are wearing no clothes, they are the enemy of the people. Whores don't lose it when they are called whores, because they know they are whores and that it's silly to pretend otherwise. Whereas a suburbanite mother would go to war if you called her a whore while she was pretending for everyone that she wasn't doing tricks every afternoon.
The MSM is the propaganda arm of the Democrats. And Trump is the Democrats worst nightmare.
Trump is going to appoint an immigration Czar. If that isn't a clear indication of Trump's collusion with Russia I don't know what is! A Czar!! Run with it Inga.
Inga keeps me supporting Trump and voting for him. Great job! I wonder how many other people will vote for Trump because of Inga?
Prof Althouse,
I haven't seen this mentioned here yet. It's a column by Byron York in the Washington Examiner a couple of days ago that explains quite a bit of how Trump's legal team handled the Special Counsel investigation. I know you're kind of sick of the whole thing, but I think you'll find it interesting.
The Media gave away the last of its credibility long ago. They should fire everyone and just start printing the actual Democrat Press Releases. On TV they could get a smaller version of the waving man figures that they have at car dealers and scroll the press releases below.
Several hours from now this stupid old hag, Inga, will still be humiliating herself here. What an odd thing to do to yourself in a public forum.
It's a fetish. She's carrying too much guilt and shame so she uses degradation to balance herself out. Tell everyone what a naughty girl you have been, Inga. When Cuck gets back from watching his wife's threesome he can join in.
More reports of the Parkland Anti-gun activists turning up dead. Turns out that Lefty activism, self-loathing, self-abuse, drug abuse and suicide are correlated. Who would have thought, eh Inga?
It's amazing how the two of you (multiples!) have managed to inure Trump against any legitimate criticism. There may indeed be a Wolf, but because of folks like you, no one will believe in it till half the village is savaged. Nicely done, Trump appreciates your work on his behalf.
it's sad really:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/05/mueller-grassley-innuendo-papadopoulos/
People whose ideological kin are currently running around the nation chanting and singing from hymnals have no business being 'embarrassed' for other people.
None.
Maybe, as you say, it's a sign of the end of TDS, but what I see is a desperate attempt to find an alternative way to hate Trump 24/7.
To paarphrase Clausewitz, Continuation of TDS by other means.
Hmmm, he may be onto something.
Probably meth.
Boring...someone had to do it, right?
Althouse, any thoughts on states handing off their electoral college votes to other, more populous states? Is it constitutional?
Althouse, any thoughts on states handing off their electoral college votes to other, more populous states? Is it constitutional?
Any state that sends its electoral votes to a candidate other than the one the voters of that state chose, can expect a shit storm, constitutional or not.
"Trump to skip "boring" White House Correspondents' Dinner for third year in a row" reports CBS
Adam Schiff..of that classic Russian prank call. The poor guy had to change his underoos after that.
I'm not interested in exchanges with Inga
This , however, is important. I see narciso put up the link but it is worth discussing.
Sen. Chuck Grassley accused the special counsel’s office of mischaracterizing Trump campaign emails in a way that suggested Trump advisers were eager to meet with Russians.
In a newly released letter from 2017, Grassley accused Robert Mueller’s team of feeding “speculation and innuendo” in court filings in 2017 in the case against George Papadopoulos.
The letter takes on new significance in the wake of reports that Mueller prosecutors were upset over Attorney General William Barr’s characterization of the findings of the 22-month long probe.
The special counsel’s office fed “speculation and innuendo” about possible collusion with Russia by withholding key details from emails cited in a court filing in the case of former Trump adviser George Papadopoulos, a top Republican senator alleged in a newly released letter.
More at Ace of Spades.
In the letter to Mueller, Grassley pointed to two sections of the Papadopoulos "statement of offense" that quoted from emails sent on May 4, 2016 and Aug. 15, 2016.
In the May 4 email, Papadopoulos wrote to others on the Trump campaign that Russia "has been eager to meet Mr. Trump for quite sometime and have been reaching out to me to discuss."
Mueller's team quoted from an email response from Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who wrote: "We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal."
Numerous news outlets reported that the passage showed that Manafort wanted a low-level campaign adviser to meet with Russians. But Grassley said that other emails sent by Manafort’s deputy, Rick Gates, show that he was asserting that a low-level adviser should be the person to reject requests to meet with Russians.
"Agree. What if I get our correspondence coordinator to do it. This is the person responding to all mail of non-importance. It would be a general letter," Gates wrote.
Manafort replied: "good."
Grassley also faulted Mueller's team for misrepresenting email exchanges involving Sam Clovis, another Trump campaign official.
The statement of offense quoted from an Aug. 15, 2016 email in which a campaign supervisor, later identified as Clovis, told Papadopoulos that "I would encourage you" to "make the trip, if it is feasible."
But Grassley said the rest of the email makes clear that Papadopoulos asked Clovis to join him on conversations with representatives from several foreign governments, including "the UK, Greek, Italian and even Russian government."
Clovis declined the invitation and wrote in other emails that any potential meetings with Russians would have to follow meetings first with Western allies.
"My thought is that we probably should not go forward with any meetings with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies, especially France, Germany and Great Britain," wrote Clovis. "We need to reassure our allies that we are not going to advance anything with Russia until we have everyone on the same page."
Poor Schiff and Inga. Chasing shadows that are only in their own minds.
Inga & ST: Well, that degenerated quickly.
I "get" the "Trump lies" idea though. He is very careless with details, moreso than I would prefer. Guys like him in business hire people to take care of the details. People who are good with details are, if not a dime a dozen, certainly no more than $1.2M a dozen, more if lawyers are involved.
OTOH, Adam ("Pencil Neck") Schiff, who actually resembles one of those Edvard Munch "The Scream" punching bags you could buy from the Signals website some years back, intentionally lies about important things (e.g. treason) for reasons which are obscure to me, but which I suspect have some kind of personal psychological reason (possibly related to regrettable experiences on the playground, or with relatives, in childhood-- but I speculate).
So there really is a distinction here: Carelessness with insignificant details (which are cleaned up later by the hired help) vs. intentional defamation. And on balance, for Trump: Getting the big things right vs. for Schiff.... I hear crickets.
Trump might be a jerk in every direction but the idea that he colluded with "The Russians!" to steal the election is laughable on its face and after 2+ years of "Wait for the Mueller-god to release his report!" lectures - at this point it's desperate delusional cult-like delusion.
Adam Schiff should be thrown out.
Add to the mix that we all witnessed 8 years of Obama appeasing Old Mother Russia, with his flexibility and re-set buttons. Now suddenly they are the enemy? Because Rachel and Schit say so?
poll numbers from the Ukraine! Oligarchs! Obscure and lame facebook spam! They all tricked voters into not loving Hillary as they should. Yeah - wow total collusion. Trump didn't even know it.
As long as they have supporters like Inga, the Democrats are going to double down on their delusions.
The Russian Collusion Hoax is just like the Kavanaugh sexual assault hoax - a brazen attempt to manipulate feeble minds with outright fabrications.
No wonder Hollywood is a Democrat outpost. They all live in a make believe world.
I'm just amazed Barr turned Rosenstein into a "Trump cultist".
Fact 1: Prosecutor Mueller investigated the Russian -Conspiracy Charge re 2016 Election.
Fact 2: Prosecutor found no evidence of a Russian Conspiracy.
Fact 3: Based on 2, Prosecutor Mueller declined to indict Trump, or Trump, Jr or Kushner.
Any questions? This ain't hard to understand, is it?
If you type in "Retreat From Moscow" in Google images you get a whole page of images showing the retreat of Napoleon's Army from Moscow. So sad. Here is my personal favorite showing an MSNBC producer, I mean Napoleon, here is Napoleon during that retreat.
https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Napoleon---Retreat-from-Moscow/CD5CF14396C80EF3
And you can see the famous graphic showing how the size of the Naopleon's Army grew and then shrank during the Retreat From Moscow at
http://nowscape.com/star_city/map_napoleon_moscow.html
As time goes on the same will happen to the Grand Army of the Moscow Hoax.
Qi've got a life of our own,
so go to Hell, if you're tinkin' is not right.
Then be loved.
Don't let them change ua. Go to Hell, if what you're thinking is not right.
Could you be loved?
Be Loved.
Don't let them rearange ya, we gota micrah phone,
SO GO TO HELL IF WHAT YOU'RE THINKIN' IS NOT RIGHT.
Love, would never leave us alone.
Against the darkness, there must come out the light.
Yeah.
Bob Marley Author and Bob Marley much more too.
John Brennan, the Russia lie ringleader?
I find it terrifying how the power of the deep state was weaponized to try to take Trump down.
Looks like entrapment.
Continuing tds is just noise, compared to what was done. How Papadopoulos was convinced to plead guilty is terrifying.
Ray - SoCal: "I find it terrifying how the power of the deep state was weaponized to try to take Trump down."
Indeed.
Whats amazing is how anxious the vast majority of the relatively small in number, and now with zero ability for public persuasion, establishment LLR's and GOPe-ers completely, totally, bought into these most moronic and ridiculous lefty smears and weaponization of the State against a republican President.
We all knew these GOPe-ers were stupid, but I guess the dems knew even better than we the true level of idiocy and cowardice prevalent amongst the LLR's.
Well, we all know now, dont we?
Inga:
Does being a supporter of Trump's presidency (now, or before the election, or both) constitute being a Trump Cultist?
-- Largo
Michael K @ 5:17
The belief in conspiracies is red meat for less than stellar intellects.
Drago-Ray - SoCal: "I find it terrifying how the power of the deep state was weaponized to try to take Trump down."
It's as if the FBI has no institutional memory of J. Edgar Hoover and the "files" he kept on everyone from the Kennedys to Martin Luther King, Jr.
Michael K: Thanks for converting those links. Too bad more people here don't take the trouble, on initial posting much less for somebody else afterwards, to supply real (html) links. It's really just about the easiest thing in this world to learn how to do.
After Trump was elected the International Socialists / Deep State invented the "collusion delusion". Mueller did his job by keeping the pot boiling through the following election cycle, handing the Democrats the House. Now that we are between elections, they are letting the pressure bleed out of that pot, while firing up another one for the 2020 election. Mueller and the Press did their job, and they won. And for all the sound and fury now - about the lies, and the treason, and the cover up; so far the only people to be prosecuted are Trump's.
Today I am reading responses to a thoughtful and interesting opinion piece,written in a non-confrontational manner. While I do not agree with much of what Sargent is suggesting I am deeply disappointed in what I am reading here. Are these responses representative of the majority of Republicans, or just the right wing fringe? I was a Republican for over 50 years and I cannot recognize the moderate, compassionate, patriotic party that I have loved.... one that frequently reached across the aisle, and could find value in opinions from the "other side", and worked tireless with both parties for the betterment of our country. If Republicans cannot see that our president has some disconcerting shortcomings then what hope do we have of avoiding the pitfalls resulting from them?
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