How about you wait and see what Special Prosecutor Mueller’s investigation results are? In the meantime carry on with the conservative counternarrative designed to protect Trump. We know you will.
The point of the lawsuit against the Washington Post was just to discredit it. It’s a hack rag staffed by lowlifes and owned by a scumbag.
Sandman already won the fight against the Post.
Same with Sarah Palin’s suit against the New York Times. She humiliated the Times. Made the paper, it’s reporters, editors, and owners look like hacks they are.
Fake News is the brand of the Post and the Times. Sandman’s suit was just to drive the stake in a little further. Put a clove of fresh garlic in the mouth of The Post.
What's up with the 9th Circus? Royal ass Inga says we should ignore them. And the very next day Trump wins a case there. And illegal aliens get removed to Mexico. San Fran Nan avoids Trump sending illegals to her district.
And yes, "The Phantom" is still published. (And he did just put something over on the US government with his President's help though 'Trump' is wrong about what happened).
@TickTock said... Sandman's case will probably turn on whether he is a limited purpose public figure; with the wild card being that he is a minor.
Jeff Bezos' high-price lawyers will quickly draw out the conspiracy invented by whoever dreamed up the fake Sandmann letter written by a hired PR firm and then the use of said letter as the basis for reinventing what happened; hiring the Atlanta fee-chaser law firm was one toke over the line. There was no right or wrong about the incident except the blaming of one American Indian when all three recognized groups and some bystanders overreacted. The whole thing was a nothingburger except for the obvious get-rich-quick lawsuits.
There's a loony meme on the internet that you can kill any animal if it is deemed a pest or if you plan on eating it to "feed your family." Hunters are great people who feed starving Africans with their kill is another false meme to fool the public into accepting the NRA and hunters as saints. I'm tired of all the lies!
Prof., I’ve asked this a few times, I apologize for badgering you if you responded and I didn’t see it. Do you have an Amazon.ca portal? You have a lot of Canadian readers and we probably all shop on Amazon.
I expect the Post’s motion to be granted. It’s almost impossible to win a defamation suit against a newspaper. Per gadfly’s comment, if Sandmann is held to be a limited purpose public figure, then the public/private figure distinction vanishes. We’re all public figures if the article that defames us can itself make us a public figure.
Unfortunately, the current law actually encourages irresponsible behaviour—if “I didn’t know it wasn’t true” is a winning defense, then why check your facts? A more rational standard would require some level of due diligence (just like what is required of every non-news outlet).
Unknown, I think the “meme” is that you can kill any animal it’s legal to kill. Eating it or ridding pests goes to motivation. I doubt the NRA has much to say at all about hunting in Africa other than that Africans have the same human rights Americans do.
Twitter pic of me in Fallon, Nevada. An eatery known as, "The Slanted Porch." OK this is me. I was referred to this restaurant for lunch by a young woman. It took all of my willpower to not make double entendre in front of her. It's possible that her wedding ring was a decoy, to make men wave off her, but why risk it? Anyway. Peace out.
dude, count your blessings! Nah. Meade is probably just tooling up for gardening season, or possibly, he's in his kayak, newly freed from the ice floes, and is just on his way to Starbucks. I miss the dog posting.
It’s not an excuse, it’s the underlying legal justification. The “excuse” is something entirely different.
Allow me to let you in on a little secret about nature: nothing dies of old age. Dying peacably in your bed is a fate reserved for humans and their pets. Nearly all wild animals are eaten by something else or die of starvation. A few die in accidents. To die by a hunter’s bullet is one of the better ways to go.
rehajm said... The Boston Herald built a paywall. Now they are dead to me.
Me too, disappointing.
57 degrees and rain this morning when I rose. Not unusual for this time of year here. I was trying to figure out if this is the hottest April 13th on record but they've changed the historical temperature record so many times, without explanation, that I can't be sure.
Museum of Science today with son, daughter-in-law, and the grandkids. I'm told there is an special exhibit that we'll be taking in. Doesn't matter, I love that place. Headed to the NorthEnd for dinner. Gonna be a good day.
Unknown said: "Hunters are great people who feed starving Africans with their kill is another false meme to fool the public into accepting the NRA and hunters as saints."
I am a life member of the NRA and I haven't seen any info to your reference to feeding starving chil'ren in Africa. BTW, it's called the NRA, as in National Rifle Association, not the International Rifle Association. If it was the International Rifle Association, Nicholas Maduro might be in the pokey, or worse.
As an aside, I have personally donated my deer to a hungry family.
"To die by a hunter’s bullet is one of the better ways to go."
Strange final request of yours. Any hunters out there willing to grant his last, and I mean last, wish? You may have to don a deer costume to provide the deer hunter with deniability.
There's a loony meme on the internet that you can kill any animal if it is deemed a pest or if you plan on eating it to "feed your family."
True, I guess, since you can find the US Constitution on the internet. I am curious exactly where you would find the power to take away my right.
I assume the non-sequitur about Africa serves as an attempt to inject some sort of emotion into a fact based discussion.
Strange that leftists that absolutely cheer with a standing ovation, allowing 4th trimester abortions of humans, would blanch at the thought of feeding a child to keep it alive.
"Prof., I’ve asked this a few times, I apologize for badgering you if you responded and I didn’t see it. Do you have an Amazon.ca portal? You have a lot of Canadian readers and we probably all shop on Amazon."
Thanks for the prompt. I can see that there's a step I need to figure out to make this happen. Will look into it.
"I expect the Post’s motion to be granted. It’s almost impossible to win a defamation suit against a newspaper. Per gadfly’s comment, if Sandmann is held to be a limited purpose public figure, then the public/private figure distinction vanishes. We’re all public figures if the article that defames us can itself make us a public figure."
WaPo's motion doesn't argue that NS is a public figure. The argument is based on the particularity of each item, some of which are said to be not defamatory and some of which are said not to refer to NS. There's an overarching idea, if I remember the gist of it, that a newspaper needs to be able to report stories as they unfold and that WaPo was careful with the information as it became available.
"Old mother flipper flopper jumped out of bed. Out of the window she popped her head. She cried, "John John the grey goose is gone and the fox is on the town-o." (No clear explanation for why the fox drank all the vodka.)
WaPo's motion also criticizes NS for suing for $250 million. That's an amount that says, aggressively, I want to destroy WaPo, not I want recompense for the actual harm to my reputation.
No I disagree professor like when there is a product negligence suit the only way they will learn, thwrs was a case where Mobil sued the post and Ken Starr represented this as when he took up Dan moldeas case no good deed.
"a newspaper needs to be able to report stories as they unfold and that WaPo was careful with the information as it became available."
I agree with AA's analysis of the case, but -- isn't the job of a newspaper to check if information that "becomes available" is actually correct? Is the WaPo's theory that they should be able to publish anyone's slander about anyone else, in this case about the Covington boys, as long as it is "information" that "becomes available" about an event that happened in a public place?
"That's an amount that says, aggressively, I want to destroy WaPo, not I want recompense for the actual harm to my reputation."
Not that it's going to happen, but -- isn't that conventional prog lawfare strategy in squeezing righty targets by ruining them?
WaPo's motion also criticizes NS for suing for $250 million. That's an amount that says, aggressively, I want to destroy WaPo, not I want recompense for the actual harm to my reputation.
Two things occur to me:
You'd have to win a very large settlement to make a man as wealthy as Bezos feel it.
WaPo came at Sandman very aggressively and in a way that said, I want to destroy this kid, not I want to inform readers of the objective facts of the incident.
Sandman should win. You should not be able steal a young person's future and get away with it. Stories about this encounter will be on the Internet forever. Employers and colleges Google those who apply for jobs and admission. So these stories will follow Sandman forever and they could have damaged his life forever. But, despite this potential for damaging a young man's life forever, the Post did not try to find out if the story was true, they just "followed" it as if they were readers. It was the blogosphere that found the video that cleared Sandman. But someone did find it, showing that Wapo, if it cared about accuracy, could have found it. And Wapo must care about accuracy because in this era the stories they publish follow people around. This is a new hazard and young people are particularly exposed. So the Sandman case is trying to make Wapo and others careful about "following" stories, because such "following", in the case of a paper like Wapo, can do damage. Wapo needs to explain when they are "following" like a member of a flock of tweety birds and when they are reporting.
You can't damage young lives and then pretend that you didn't realize you were doing damage because you didn't realize that the internet exists. Not a big paper like Wapo. A tabloid story doesn't matter in the same way a Wapo story does as far as affecting a young person's future. Of course, as a Democrat operative, Wapo is free to damage any Republican, prolifer, Christian or other POS, and never say they're sorry or change their ways. But then Wapo is not doing news, it's doing "following" news or fake news and fake news is the enemy of real news. The country needs real news and so fake news, because it drives out real news, is the enemy of the people. Wapo has to be held accountable or else admit that what it does isn't real news, that it has no standards, that no one should listen and that, having explained this, it cannot damage people.
Unknown said... "There's a loony meme on the internet that you can kill any animal if it is deemed a pest or if you plan on eating it to "feed your family." Hunters are great people who feed starving Africans with their kill is another false meme to fool the public into accepting the NRA and hunters as saints. I'm tired of all the lies!" Depends on the state you live in. Here in Illinos it is legal to kill any vermin. There is no season. Coyotes, skunks, wood chucks, racoons, etc. Yoy are not required to eat them. I don't know about Africans, but here I can, or any hunter is allowed, to donate all or part of their deer harvest to any local food pantry. In fact, I've said it here before, if you want to protect wildlife purchase a hunting and fishing liscience and the corresponding stamps. By law all the money must go to wildlife and habitat protection nd the peoplewho do it. The NRA is primarily a gun rites and safety advocate. Not really about hunting.
WaPo was careful with the information as it became available.
No they weren't, because there was no actual story worth reporting on to begin with: a non-Indian kid stands there while some Indian plays a drum right in front of him.
That story isn't even worthy of being printed in a high-school paper, so the Wapo invented the rest.
Fernandistein said... WaPo was careful with the information as it became available.
No they weren't, because there was no actual story worth reporting on to begin with: a non-Indian kid stands there while some Indian plays a drum right in front of him.
That story isn't even worthy of being printed in a high-school paper, so the Wapo invented the rest.
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The Washington Post has filed a Motion to Dismiss in the Sandman case (not surprisingly to me after having read the Complaint when it was filed).
I wonder if Althouse has an opinion on the probability of success.
I think it's pretty high.
That’s ok a dismissal will just undermine the credibility of the judiciary among 43 states.
https://www.audubon.org/news/why-northern-cardinal-yellow
There's rabbits in my backyard eating the crocus flowers. I'd like to see a fox stroll by.
Those grapes were sour anyway.
Amazingly prescient Weekend Update skit from 2012. AOC on SNL
Handsome animal.
HaHaHaHa:
Inga said...
“What "collusion" did Trump do?”
How about you wait and see what Special Prosecutor Mueller’s investigation results are? In the meantime carry on with the conservative counternarrative designed to protect Trump. We know you will.
It. Won’t. Work.
1/14/18, 10:38 AM
Althouse Blog January 2018
The point of the lawsuit against the Washington Post was just to discredit it. It’s a hack rag staffed by lowlifes and owned by a scumbag.
Sandman already won the fight against the Post.
Same with Sarah Palin’s suit against the New York Times. She humiliated the Times. Made the paper, it’s reporters, editors, and owners look like hacks they are.
Fake News is the brand of the Post and the Times. Sandman’s suit was just to drive the stake in a little further. Put a clove of fresh garlic in the mouth of The Post.
Here's the Friday LinkSwarm, in case you missed it.
No make them accountable, so they think twice about doing something to someone else ever again.
Nobody links: https://www.audubon.org/news/why-northern-cardinal-yellow
Very pretty. I've never seen one, have you?
Nope.
What's up with the 9th Circus?
Royal ass Inga says we should ignore them.
And the very next day Trump wins a case there.
And illegal aliens get removed to Mexico.
San Fran Nan avoids Trump sending illegals to her district.
Win. Win. Win.
Trump is a liar.
I am not yet tired of winning.
Well this isnt worrying at all:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/04/report-white-house-on-lockdown-after-man-sets-self-on-fire-outside-of-gates/
"I was lied to! There is no hen house on this property!
Once I get me that damn battery to tune the mando you ain't never gonna be the same.
Not never.
narciso,
The effects of CAGW are unpredictable..
Sandman's case will probably turn on whether he is a limited purpose public figure; with the wild card being that he is a minor.
Maybe the first "Trump" tweet on the comics page?
And yes, "The Phantom" is still published. (And he did just put something over on the US government with his President's help though 'Trump' is wrong about what happened).
I haven’t seen a Meade post lately, did I just miss it or has he been banned? Love the Althouse Fox.
Error continually was it something I said?
@TickTock said...
Sandman's case will probably turn on whether he is a limited purpose public figure; with the wild card being that he is a minor.
Jeff Bezos' high-price lawyers will quickly draw out the conspiracy invented by whoever dreamed up the fake Sandmann letter written by a hired PR firm and then the use of said letter as the basis for reinventing what happened; hiring the Atlanta fee-chaser law firm was one toke over the line. There was no right or wrong about the incident except the blaming of one American Indian when all three recognized groups and some bystanders overreacted. The whole thing was a nothingburger except for the obvious get-rich-quick lawsuits.
There's a loony meme on the internet that you can kill any animal if it is deemed a pest or if you plan on eating it to "feed your family." Hunters are great people who feed starving Africans with their kill is another false meme to fool the public into accepting the NRA and hunters as saints. I'm tired of all the lies!
Prof., I’ve asked this a few times, I apologize for badgering you if you responded and I didn’t see it. Do you have an Amazon.ca portal? You have a lot of Canadian readers and we probably all shop on Amazon.
I expect the Post’s motion to be granted. It’s almost impossible to win a defamation suit against a newspaper. Per gadfly’s comment, if Sandmann is held to be a limited purpose public figure, then the public/private figure distinction vanishes. We’re all public figures if the article that defames us can itself make us a public figure.
Unfortunately, the current law actually encourages irresponsible behaviour—if “I didn’t know it wasn’t true” is a winning defense, then why check your facts? A more rational standard would require some level of due diligence (just like what is required of every non-news outlet).
The Boston Herald built a paywall. Now they are dead to me.
Walls work.
Unknown, I think the “meme” is that you can kill any animal it’s legal to kill. Eating it or ridding pests goes to motivation. I doubt the NRA has much to say at all about hunting in Africa other than that Africans have the same human rights Americans do.
"You can kill any animal it’s legal to kill." That's a miserable excuse to kill any animal.
Twitter pic of me in Fallon, Nevada. An eatery known as, "The Slanted Porch." OK this is me. I was referred to this restaurant for lunch by a young woman. It took all of my willpower to not make double entendre in front of her. It's possible that her wedding ring was a decoy, to make men wave off her, but why risk it? Anyway. Peace out.
"haven't seen a Meade post lately"
dude, count your blessings! Nah. Meade is probably just tooling up for gardening season, or possibly, he's in his kayak, newly freed from the ice floes, and is just on his way to Starbucks. I miss the dog posting.
It's a foxtrot.
It’s not an excuse, it’s the underlying legal justification. The “excuse” is something entirely different.
Allow me to let you in on a little secret about nature: nothing dies of old age. Dying peacably in your bed is a fate reserved for humans and their pets. Nearly all wild animals are eaten by something else or die of starvation. A few die in accidents. To die by a hunter’s bullet is one of the better ways to go.
rehajm said...
The Boston Herald built a paywall. Now they are dead to me.
Me too, disappointing.
57 degrees and rain this morning when I rose. Not unusual for this time of year here. I was trying to figure out if this is the hottest April 13th on record but they've changed the historical temperature record so many times, without explanation, that I can't be sure.
Museum of Science today with son, daughter-in-law, and the grandkids. I'm told there is an special exhibit that we'll be taking in. Doesn't matter, I love that place. Headed to the NorthEnd for dinner. Gonna be a good day.
Unknown said: "Hunters are great people who feed starving Africans with their kill is another false meme to fool the public into accepting the NRA and hunters as saints."
I am a life member of the NRA and I haven't seen any info to your reference to feeding starving chil'ren in Africa. BTW, it's called the NRA, as in National Rifle Association, not the International Rifle Association. If it was the International Rifle Association, Nicholas Maduro might be in the pokey, or worse.
As an aside, I have personally donated my deer to a hungry family.
It’s almost impossible to win a defamation suit against a newspaper.
Which is why the Post can lose by winning.
"To die by a hunter’s bullet is one of the better ways to go."
Strange final request of yours. Any hunters out there willing to grant his last, and I mean last, wish? You may have to don a deer costume to provide the deer hunter with deniability.
More Fox News!
You have a lot of Canadian readers and we probably all shop on Amazon.
Because it's too damn cold to leave the house.
They're still publishing Mary Worth and Prince Valiant!
Why is Trumpit posting as Unknown?
Meat is tasty and I will eat some in your honor.
Blogger Unknown said...
"To die by a hunter’s bullet is one of the better ways to go."
Strange final request of yours.
I see I wasted my time engaging you in good faith.
Noted.
Kevin said...
“It’s almost impossible to win a defamation suit against a newspaper.”
Which is why the Post can lose by winning.
Care to explain? Normally one wins by winning.
There's a loony meme on the internet that you can kill any animal if it is deemed a pest or if you plan on eating it to "feed your family."
True, I guess, since you can find the US Constitution on the internet.
I am curious exactly where you would find the power to take away my right.
I assume the non-sequitur about Africa serves as an attempt to inject some sort of emotion into a fact based discussion.
Strange that leftists that absolutely cheer with a standing ovation, allowing 4th trimester abortions of humans, would blanch at the thought of feeding a child to keep it alive.
"Prof., I’ve asked this a few times, I apologize for badgering you if you responded and I didn’t see it. Do you have an Amazon.ca portal? You have a lot of Canadian readers and we probably all shop on Amazon."
Thanks for the prompt. I can see that there's a step I need to figure out to make this happen. Will look into it.
About 2% of my readers are in Canada.
Sanctuary cities: Political virtue signaling without the messy immigrants.
The weak in revisw:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/the-week-in-pictures-tactile-nukes-edition.php
"I expect the Post’s motion to be granted. It’s almost impossible to win a defamation suit against a newspaper. Per gadfly’s comment, if Sandmann is held to be a limited purpose public figure, then the public/private figure distinction vanishes. We’re all public figures if the article that defames us can itself make us a public figure."
WaPo's motion doesn't argue that NS is a public figure. The argument is based on the particularity of each item, some of which are said to be not defamatory and some of which are said not to refer to NS. There's an overarching idea, if I remember the gist of it, that a newspaper needs to be able to report stories as they unfold and that WaPo was careful with the information as it became available.
Don't want to let fox days pass without a hat tip to Burl Ives.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-Lkry-SF01&hsimp=yhs-SF01&hspart=Lkry&p=youtube+fox+went+out+on+a+chilly+night+burl+ives#id=1&vid=543cba39972828934a6635ac5c364745&action=click
"Old mother flipper flopper jumped out of bed. Out of the window she popped her head. She cried, "John John the grey goose is gone and the fox is on the town-o." (No clear explanation for why the fox drank all the vodka.)
I feel for NS, but WaPo should win.
WaPo's motion also criticizes NS for suing for $250 million. That's an amount that says, aggressively, I want to destroy WaPo, not I want recompense for the actual harm to my reputation.
Rabbits and foxes are not big problems. Beavers are the big problem. They come in at night, cut down and remove your small trees.
No I disagree professor like when there is a product negligence suit the only way they will learn, thwrs was a case where Mobil sued the post and Ken Starr represented this as when he took up Dan moldeas case no good deed.
"a newspaper needs to be able to report stories as they unfold and that WaPo was careful with the information as it became available."
I agree with AA's analysis of the case, but -- isn't the job of a newspaper to check if information that "becomes available" is actually correct? Is the WaPo's theory that they should be able to publish anyone's slander about anyone else, in this case about the Covington boys, as long as it is "information" that "becomes available" about an event that happened in a public place?
"That's an amount that says, aggressively, I want to destroy WaPo, not I want recompense for the actual harm to my reputation."
Not that it's going to happen, but -- isn't that conventional prog lawfare strategy in squeezing righty targets by ruining them?
They had seven times to get the story right.
WaPo's motion also criticizes NS for suing for $250 million. That's an amount that says, aggressively, I want to destroy WaPo, not I want recompense for the actual harm to my reputation.
Two things occur to me:
You'd have to win a very large settlement to make a man as wealthy as Bezos feel it.
WaPo came at Sandman very aggressively and in a way that said, I want to destroy this kid, not I want to inform readers of the objective facts of the incident.
Sandman should win. You should not be able steal a young person's future and get away with it. Stories about this encounter will be on the Internet forever. Employers and colleges Google those who apply for jobs and admission. So these stories will follow Sandman forever and they could have damaged his life forever. But, despite this potential for damaging a young man's life forever, the Post did not try to find out if the story was true, they just "followed" it as if they were readers. It was the blogosphere that found the video that cleared Sandman. But someone did find it, showing that Wapo, if it cared about accuracy, could have found it. And Wapo must care about accuracy because in this era the stories they publish follow people around. This is a new hazard and young people are particularly exposed. So the Sandman case is trying to make Wapo and others careful about "following" stories, because such "following", in the case of a paper like Wapo, can do damage. Wapo needs to explain when they are "following" like a member of a flock of tweety birds and when they are reporting.
You can't damage young lives and then pretend that you didn't realize you were doing damage because you didn't realize that the internet exists. Not a big paper like Wapo. A tabloid story doesn't matter in the same way a Wapo story does as far as affecting a young person's future. Of course, as a Democrat operative, Wapo is free to damage any Republican, prolifer, Christian or other POS, and never say they're sorry or change their ways. But then Wapo is not doing news, it's doing "following" news or fake news and fake news is the enemy of real news. The country needs real news and so fake news, because it drives out real news, is the enemy of the people. Wapo has to be held accountable or else admit that what it does isn't real news, that it has no standards, that no one should listen and that, having explained this, it cannot damage people.
hiring the Atlanta fee-chaser law firm was one toke over the line
Apparently gadfly has no grandchildren. Encouraging what happened to those kids is something only a leftist could love,. A childless leftist.
I assume you are also pleased that Richard Jewel died young.
Unknown said...
"There's a loony meme on the internet that you can kill any animal if it is deemed a pest or if you plan on eating it to "feed your family." Hunters are great people who feed starving Africans with their kill is another false meme to fool the public into accepting the NRA and hunters as saints. I'm tired of all the lies!"
Depends on the state you live in. Here in Illinos it is legal to kill any vermin. There is no season. Coyotes, skunks, wood chucks, racoons, etc. Yoy are not required to eat them. I don't know about Africans, but here I can, or any hunter is allowed, to donate all or part of their deer harvest to any local food pantry. In fact, I've said it here before, if you want to protect wildlife purchase a hunting and fishing liscience and the corresponding stamps. By law all the money must go to wildlife and habitat protection nd the peoplewho do it.
The NRA is primarily a gun rites and safety advocate. Not really about hunting.
The fox went out on a chilly night...
WaPo was careful with the information as it became available.
No they weren't, because there was no actual story worth reporting on to begin with: a non-Indian kid stands there while some Indian plays a drum right in front of him.
That story isn't even worthy of being printed in a high-school paper, so the Wapo invented the rest.
Beavers are the big problem.
Our dogs fought with a San Juan River beaver for about 20 minutes and came out exhausted and with 1" wide gashes on their faces.
When Your Owner Is Richer Than God, It’s Easier to Get Uppity
Ann Althouse said...Thanks for the prompt. I can see that there's a step I need to figure out to make this happen. Will look into it.
If you succeed, I promise to use it.
Fernandistein said...
WaPo was careful with the information as it became available.
No they weren't, because there was no actual story worth reporting on to begin with: a non-Indian kid stands there while some Indian plays a drum right in front of him.
That story isn't even worthy of being printed in a high-school paper, so the Wapo invented the rest.
4/13/19, 10:13 AM
It's like she didn't even remember the vuvuzuela.
Well at least now he has his socks on.
It's cold out there.
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