March 25, 2019

At the Monday Night Café...

... you can talk about anything, early enough in the evening for me to moderate you through. Talk to us!

71 comments:

stephen cooper said...

People who fought hard to help Trump get elected were robbed of the

goodfeelz that people who fought hard to get Obama elected got in the first 2 years of his presidency

when almost all the talk (From Democrats) was about how he was a great guy who the country was lucky to have as president or (from the Bush Republicans) was how we needed to let him show what he was worth, if he could handle the job

well Trump is more of a great guy than Obama, we all know that now

Trump is not going to throw in his lot with those who would encourage sedition or criminal treason against an elected president of the United States even if his chosen successor loses

but Obama did throw in his lot with seditious people

now all we need to know is if Obama did it knowingly or through ignorance

tell me I am wrong

stephen cooper said...

By the way the anti-Trump liars won, in the way they most wanted to win..

If they had given Trump the minimally decent respect they should have - the respect that Obama, as a duly elected President, got from the Republicans, Trump would not have nominated a centrist squish like Kavanaugh, we would have Gorsuch and another Alito on the Supreme Court, not Gorsuch and a second Anthony Kennedy squish. Getting another Kennedy on the Supreme Court, in their eyes, was worth all the lying, was worth the 500,000 lying stories in the once-respected, now ridiculed, media. They are not honest people, but dishonest people often win their tactical battles.

Hope I am wrong, but I usually am not.

roesch/voltaire said...

Frontline and PBS is doing a fair, balanced and informative program on the Mueller report and the two concusions revealed by Barr, but after all this I too want to see the full report.

Lawrence Person said...

Here's the Democratic Presidential Clown Car Update for March 25, 2019.

I picked the wrong day to drop it if I wanted anyone to pay attention to it...

Francisco D said...

Frontline and PBS is doing a fair, balanced and informative program on the Mueller report and the two concusions revealed by Barr, but after all this I too want to see the full report.

Concussions?

That seems about right.

traditionalguy said...

Our girl Kelleyann was taking no prisoners today. She is a co-genius serving Trump.

Meanwhile Savannah Guthrie on Today actually had a good point with Sarah Sanders.Trump should apologise to Robert Mueller for trashing his reputation

So he did. Later in the day Trump said his guy Mueller acted honorably.

Henry said...

Hope I am wrong, but I usually am not.

It's hard to be wrong when your hypotheticals are unfalsifiable.

Drago said...

r/v: "Frontline and PBS is doing a fair, balanced and informative program on the Mueller report...."

Full. Stop.

Not. Believable.

Why would you lefties stop lying now after 3 straight years of the most astonishing lies our nation has ever seen?

Ralph L said...

Those Dem candidates who announced in the last week or two must feel pretty stupid about now. Even when he isn't trying, Trump sucks the oxygen out of the room.

Bay Area Guy said...

Is it too late for Andrew McCabe to get a gig at CNN?

Asking for a friend.

Jaq said...

I saw a little pro Trump demonstration today. A couple of pickup trucks with Trump flags and a few people. It was nice to see.

rehajm said...

Ffom tgat Clown Car Update Story: “Nominating Biden atop the Democratic ticket is like giving the wacky neighbor supporting character on a beloved show his own spinoff.“

Like The Jeffersons?

Michael K said...

after all this I too want to see the full report.

Me, too, but I also want all the FISA warrants and the FBI 302 reports. The next GOP Congress should pass a law requiring FB I interviews to be recorded. Trump might be able to do it by EO but it needs to be a statute for the next Democrat president.

ex-madtown girl said...

roesch/Voltaire are you serious?? I had it on for about two minutes and it was like they stole a page out of the Dateline playbook. They were framing the president in the same fuzzy black and white stills, with the same ominous music in the background, as that show does when they’re introducing the audience to the rapist/murderer of the week. It is shocking to me what people on the left consider fair and balanced reporting.

Jaq said...

Now people who haven’t seen the Mueller report are calling the summary “deeply dishonest.” And apparently there are people out there who were seriously hoping that Trump would be hanged for treason.

Lucien said...

@Stephen Cooper: I think President Trump’s SCOTUS nominees have been pretty much the same caliber we would have got from a President Cruz or Rubio (or Pence). Mainstream Federalist Society textualists. I hope that will tamp down some of the crazy in the adult Democrats if the court packing issue comes up. Best would be if Justices Ginsburg and Breyer resign while President Trump is in office. That will cut down on the 5 to 4 decisions that get folks so riled up.

Quaestor said...

...but after all this [comma splice] I too want to see the full report.

But you ain't gonna, roesch/voltaire, and you should be ashamed to openly express such foul inclinations. Corrupt partisan witch hunts are no excuse to allow voyeurs free rein with people's lives. The innocent deserve their privacy more than you deserve a hot meal.

iowan2 said...

President Trump is a master at this.
Listing 6 Democrats that have made, and continue to make statements accusing President Trump and his campaign of treason, they have sent a message to the major news outlets.

“Moving forward, we ask that you employ basic journalistic standards when booking such guests to appear anywhere in your universe of productions,”

It's been a great week, and it's not even Tuesday yet.

Anonymous said...

The Russians did try to influence the US elections, but not in the way everyone thinks. It wasn't to help Trump, it was sow division between Americans. They unfortunate succeeded. Our country is more divided and at odds with each other than they have been in a long time. Wake up America, you are being played.

Anonymous said...

now the last twinkle of hope is "see the whole report" and all variations up to Mueller being in on it.

chillblaine said...

Today, March 25th, is known to Catholic faithful as the Feast Day of The Annunciation of Mary. I will tell you, that the desire to bond with this faith in general, and with Mary in particular, has been a blessing to me. She received the Word in a dream, and it has been revealed that hers was a life that was long prepared for this moment. So, I adore this day anew, and let it rest, and sleep with the understanding that the sun will rise tomorrow, and that it will bring all new grace to us. I know my road ahead is full of thorns, and I only ask for mercy, and to be able to walk through the next door, no matter how narrow. Adore all life, no matter how small and seemingly insignificant it may seem. No love lost.

Ken B said...

Quaestor
Interesting isn’t it how few Trump haters care that it would be against the law? Sanders has made plain he wants the AG to ignore the law. But it’s Trump who would politicize investigations ... *eye roll*

rhhardin said...

Japan is having a software Y2K, with the new emperor on Apr 1 beginning a new era (name not yet chosen) and Japanese years counted from the beginning of the era and era name. Many companies are not ready. It's worse than daylight time.

chillblaine said...

My fiction piece, entitled, "The Four of Us." This is a crime noir piece that felt correct to do at the time, even though I've left a very important piece out. I'll just say that the protagonist spent time, "inside," and learned how to see the sky, even though there were iron bars and a heavy ceiling. I won't re-write it; instead this part will go into some future project. Anyway, if you please, enjoy, and remember that I actually don't give a rat's arse if you enjoy it, because I got off making this.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Our girl Kelleyann was taking no prisoners today. She is a co-genius serving Trump.”

Such a shame her hubby doesn’t appreciate her the way she deserves.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“But you ain't gonna, roesch/voltaire, and you should be ashamed to openly express such foul inclinations. Corrupt partisan witch hunts are no excuse to allow voyeurs free rein with people's lives. The innocent deserve their privacy more than you deserve a hot meal.”

There’s spittle on your chin.

Jupiter said...

Huh. This one goes out to rhardin.

It's been 50 years since I passed puberty, and I have been dealing with women one way and another for most of those five decades, with what I would have to call qualified success. But I just this moment realized the answer to a question that has perplexed me the whole time; Why do they sometimes insist upon having a great big fight, which ultimately provokes you to say, "Look, that's how it's going to be. I have absolutely had enough, and the issue is closed!"? And having seemingly lost said great big fight, which you did everything you could to avoid, why does she appear to be completely satisfied with the outcome?

Well, it's simple. She has decided, after careful and painstaking calculation, that what you want to do is the best idea on the table. But she doesn't want to admit she was wrong, and allowing you to bully her into doing it "your way" lets her take the moral high ground next time. Besides, it's hilarious how you wake up the next morning, going "Oh, God, how mad is she?", and expecting a renewed battle, and she's just going about her affairs, humming. La, Te-Da. What would you like for breakfast, O my Lord and Master?" They must think we're the biggest saps.

AZ Bob said...

Keep an eye out on the Avenatti case for co-conspirator Mark Geragos's involvement. He may have rolled over to mitigate his exposure.

Jupiter said...

See, to admit you were right would involve climbing down from a whole lot of utterly ridiculous positions that were taken at one point or another during the argument, and would further provide an opportunity for a sickening amount of "So, you see, I was right!" on your part. Ick! Whereas, provoking you into a screaming match, hopefully one in which you say several things you deeply regret later and sincerely hope won't be brought up for future discussion, is without any serious downside. Plus, there is always the fundamental dynamic of "Johnny, Get Angry";

I want a brave man,
I want a Cave Man,
Johnny show me that you care, really care, for me!

Which was written by a man, but a man who understood women.

walter said...

Ken B said...Sanders has made plain he wants the AG to ignore the law. But it’s Trump who would politicize investigations ... *eye roll*
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That's because he knows his request for "transparency" will be publicized while the legalities will be smothered.

Michael K said...


Today, March 25th, is known to Catholic faithful as the Feast Day of The Annunciation of Mary.


Fra LIppo Lippi has a magnificent painting of the Annunciation.

The fact that his model was a nun and the mother of his famous son, Filippo Lippi, also called incorrectly,. Fillipino Lippi should be ignored,. Lippi, the father, was raised in a monastery by monks from childhood. Eventually, he and his model were released from their vows and married.

It has been said that the pope granted Lippi a dispensation for marrying Lucrezia, but before the permission arrived, Lippi had been poisoned by the indignant relatives of either Lucrezia herself or some lady who had replaced her in the inconstant painter's affections.[7]
'
His paintings are magnificent.

wildswan said...

"now all we need to know is if Obama did it knowingly or through ignorance

tell me I am wrong"

I think you are wrong. People are sick of investigations and they don't want to investigate Obama. It's called a bridge too far. What I think people would accept is investigations looking at exonerating and paying damages to General Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone and the others. In other words look at FISA abuse and look at how admissions were extorted in relation to achieving justice for these citizens, not in relation to "It's out turn now, get Comey, Brennan et al."

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

" Frontline and PBS is doing a fair, balanced and informative program on the Mueller report and the two concusions revealed by Barr, but after all this I too want to see the full report."

Surely you jest. Judy Woodruff so obviously, so desperately, wants to glean any sliver of hope from any possible spin of the Mueller report. It's kind of awe-inspiring to watch. So many important people so irrevocably severed from reality. I've always poo-pooed any of the overwrought civil war/End of the Republic talk but, jeez, watching these people you realize that it's going to require something seriously cathartic to restore these people to sanity.

walter said...

Matt Taibbi guest on Jon Batchelor show....

FullMoon said...

OK now, let's all sing along with President Trump (C'mon Inga, let 'er rip):

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
I can't wait to look in the mirror
Cause I get better looking each day
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man
Oh Lord It's hard to be humble,
But I'm doing the best that I can

BJM said...

Heh.

"Let the cymbals ring
Lets play the songs of happiness
Oh my in such a bad way
Oh my in such a bad way
We have crushed the enemy"

eddie willers said...

By the way the anti-Trump liars won, in the way they most wanted to win

They also won the house at the last election. Something I do not believe would have happened with an honest media.

readering said...

Winners continue to whine.

Hunter said...

I took time to read the Matt Taibbi piece mentioned in another article mentioned here today.

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD

A truly excellent and thorough takedown of how most of the news media have covered this story for the past 2+ years. It's so good that I had to bookmark it for posterity.

narciso said...

They don't care about the law, which was the character who would employ every trick to fight what he considers evil.

Bay Area Guy said...

Glenn Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson tonight - hammering the fuck out of MSNBC for fueling the Russian Hoax with lies and propaganda for 3 years.

Anybody here watch MSNBC? Anyone? Bueller?

etbass said...

Don’t know the extent to which the departed have any knowledge of the goings on in this life. But if Mary knew the worship given her by so many misled by the Catholic Church, she would be horrified, being the saint she is. I am grateful for so much truth about God I got from the Church in my youth as a Catholic but so very glad to have been born again into real life in Christ who was born of Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost. She might well be honored but is not to be worshipped.

Big Mike said...

Interesting isn’t it how few Trump haters care that it would be against the law? Sanders has made plain he wants the AG to ignore the law.

Socialists don’t believe in stinkin’ laws. Socialism means never having to say you’re sorry.

Kevin said...

“I need to see the report,” is the new “who won the popular vote?”

Neither is going to change anything, because that’s not how the system works.

Denial is just the first stage of grief and two years into Trump’s Presidency our nation needs to finally get past it.

Obstruction was a pretext. The investigation was the real crime.

How deep it went isn’t in Mueller’s report.

Ron said...

What I like about the new comments policy is it seems to be creating a hybrid form of both Twitter and a blog! Twitter, in the stress on brevity, and a blog in the stress on more thoughtful responses. Perhaps this can mutate into something better than both.

Kevin said...

I’m enjoying all these street interviews about what average Americans think about Mueller’s findings.

Also the polling showing how people’s minds have changed about Trump and the Democrats as a result.

Because that’s exactly what we’d be getting if the conclusions had gone the other way.

Oh, wait....

Mr. Groovington said...

1) A line from a Federalist piece today: “the media and Democrat Party have dug themselves so deeply in a hole, they must keep on digging.” Strategically that might be the only choice they have.

2) An outsider (I’m not American) wonders at this point what retaliation looks like, whether it will come, and whether it’s the smart thing to do.

jaydub said...

"Final Fur Tournament Returns to Science Museum of Virginia April 5 during Science After Dark

What:

The Science Museum of Virginia’s Rat Basketball Association is preparing for the March Ratness tip off with the 11th annual Final Fur Tournament. New this year: the games happen during Science After Dark, the popular monthly after-hours event.

Museum educators have trained female Norway Rats to pick up a small plastic ball and put it through a simulated basketball hoop. Whiskered players will represent the final teams of their college compatriots as they go head to head in this unique tournament. Just like the NCAA version, the Museum’s Final Fur Tournament has the potential for exciting shots, stunning upsets and unlikely champions.

Demonstrations during the event, happening at 6 and 7 p.m., include announcer commentary, crowd-pumping music, rat trivia and more."

Professional lady said...

Mary is not worshipped by Catholics, she is honored.

Professional lady said...

I think Obama and Hillary knew and approved what was going on. I would like to see that made clear. That being said, I don't think either of them will be prosecuted. Their underlings might be and this would have the effect of discouraging such willing cooperation in the future. I want this abuse to have some consequences - even if, in the case of Obama, it's a loss of reputation.

Paco Wové said...

“I need to see the report,” is the new “who won the popular vote?”

The return of the Collusion of the Gaps. It's got to be in there – obscured by ellipses, or hiding under that comma.

iowan2 said...

Glenn Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson tonight - hammering the fuck out of MSNBC for fueling the Russian Hoax with lies and propaganda for 3 years.

Anybody here watch MSNBC? Anyone? Bueller?


I watched msdnc yesterday morning early, but just for 3 hours. I turned it off... more then 4 hours seek medical treatment right? I needed the hour for the residual effect to abate.

Tommy Duncan said...

Blogger Big Mike said...

"Socialists don’t believe in stinkin’ laws. Socialism means never having to say you’re sorry."

23 million Russians were unavailable for comment
65 million Chinese were unavailable for comment
1.3 million Cambodians were unavailable for comment
...

exhelodrvr1 said...

sodal ye,
"whether it’s the smart thing to do."

Unfortunately, the Democrats and the media (I know, I know) and the government bureaucracy don't seem to care how their unlimited cooperation over the past 50(?) years has corrupted our system, and if they aren't made to suffer an appropriate amount of consequences for it, they will continue along the same path.

Drago said...

readering# "Winners continue to whine."

Coup plotters and attempted assassins of our constitutional republic want to "move on" quickly and not dwell on the massive and systematic weaponization of the federal govt against domestic political opponents by the dems/left/LLR's.

Yeah, I bet you do...

....not gonna happen.

Team Dem spent over 3 years going Full Stasi and now you'd better buckle up for the next 18 months as we peel this treasonous onion apart.

Hagar said...

We are the biggest saps.

Jaq said...

There’s spittle on your chin..

That was the entire original content of her post. Just sayin'

Jaq said...

Actually Bleachbit, that post was pretty prescient. In fact it was dead on. What you didn’t realize was that she was talking to all of the imaginary friends in her head.

Jaq said...

An outsider (I’m not American) wonders at this point what retaliation looks like, whether it will come, and whether it’s the smart thing to do.

A special counsel is more than called for, with this clear abuse of the Patriot act. There was no evidence of any collusion, so whatever they used to convince the FISA judge to allow surveillance on the Trump campaign was a lie.

Big Mike said...

An outsider (I’m not American) wonders at this point what retaliation looks like, whether it will come, and whether it’s the smart thing to do.

@sodal ye, high-ranking members of the Obama administration abused a legal apparatus put in place to protect the citizens of the US in order to spy on at least one campaign by the opposite party, then spent two years trying to oust a duly-elected President. That may be par for the course where you come from, but clearly people need to be punished in order to deter this from ever happening again. That may look like ”retaliation” to you, but laws were abused and people have been abused and other people who imagined themselves above the law need to learn otherwise.

Ralph L said...

An outsider (I’m not American) wonders at this point what retaliation looks like, whether it will come, and whether it’s the smart thing to do.

Peace through strength has a better track record than rolling over and taking it like W did, but it is a little scary.

Henry said...

Michael K said, "His paintings are magnificent."

Agreed.

Fen said...

An outsider (I’m not American) wonders at this point what retaliation looks like, whether it will come, and whether it’s the smart thing to do.

1) Cooler heads will support some legal or investigative remedy. That will fail because the system is corrupt and the Deep State will subvert the Rule of Law. Does anyone think the "Lightbringer" will serve a day in jail?

2) Republican Cuckholds will support "taking the high ground" because it's "time to move on". That will only ensure that the Dems will do this again (as per Kavanaugh and Covington), but that's with the Republican Cucks get off to - being shamed and humiliated.

3) So I support vigilante mobs chasing down the culprits and hanging them as they find them. Because that's the only thing the Left will understand. They've been playing outside the rules for quite some time, and they will continue to cheat until they are reminded what that actually entails. Better yet, execute their immediate family and leave them alone wandering in despair as an object lesson for any who would even consider doing this again. Unfortunately, Republicans are pussies who take for granted that Trump stood fast and the attempted coup scored some own goals that handicapped their effort.

So what will really happen? A combination of 1 & 2, leading to nothing, no consequences. And 4 or 8 or 12 years from now, the Democrats will launch a smarter coup, a weaker Cuck Republican President will resign (see: Sessions, recusal) or bumblefuck his way into impeachment & removal from office (see: Bush, Katrina) and a senile Pelosi will be sworn into office, appointing Hillary as VP to ensure a 12 year "transformation" of America. And I will be surrounded by "principled" Republicans in the gulag all lamenting "Gosh darn, what else could we have done?".

Fen said...

Drago: Coup plotters and attempted assassins of our constitutional republic want to "move on" quickly and not dwell on the massive and systematic weaponization of the federal govt against domestic political opponents by the dems/left/LLR's.

Yeah, I bet you do.......not gonna happen.


The little shits are in the "cooling the mark" phase. Don't let them up off the mat.

They should be decorating the trees. But aren't hanging them - THAT is the compromise position, not MoveOn.org

Mr. Groovington said...

Big Mike said.. That may be par for the course where you come from, but clearly people need to be punished in order to deter this from ever happening again. That may look like ”retaliation” to you, but laws were abused and people have been abused and other people who imagined themselves above the law need to learn otherwise.

I’m aware of the details, been following it closely for 3 years, a dozen hours plus a week, never miss a McCarthy piece, etc. My preference would be for very hard retaliation at an official level, aggressive confrontation at the street level. But my fear is neither will happen.

Mr. Groovington said...

And of course wondering what the impact of aggressive action would be on 2020.

Mr. Groovington said...

Fen said...So what will really happen? A combination of 1 & 2, leading to nothing, no consequences.

Agree 100% with that analysis. I watched too much Gowdy blither to believe otherwise. But we can hope.

wildswan said...

You can't say: now we are going to retaliate and conduct a fair and impartial investigation which we intend to implicate and prove the guilt of the former President and the losing Presidential candidate.

But you can say we are going to investigate the process by which Michael Flynn and others pled guilty when we now know they were innocent because there was no Russia collusion; we are going to investigate why there were assault rifles trained on Roger Stone when there was no Russia collusion; we are going to investigate the unmasking of citizens and the consequences to them when there was no Russia collusion. People who had to spend hundreds of thousands to defend themselves from Robert Mueller's tactics are going to get a chance to explain those tactics and get justice for the abuse of power those tactics represent. The networks should be apologizing to them. And so should Mueller for dragging out the investigation. Why did he take so long and harm so many? Don't for get that sixty-three million people, Trump voters who supported Trump the whole time, were never taken in by the Russia collusion lie. It wasn't impossible to see through it almost at once. It was improbable like the Jussie Smollett thing and the evidence was weak and silly. John Brennan, head of the CIA couldn't see through that ever, but Sundance at Conservative Treehouse could. James Comey, head of the FBI, was too incompetent to see through it ever but Catherine Herridge could.

Jaq said...

I still think you should think about Portsmouth NH. I think that city has everything you want, and it’s incredibly blogable for 18 months out of every four years.

Big Mike said...

@jaydub (5:36AM), I posted this clip from a past tournament on the March 20th Althouse Rat Cafe thread. The white and brown rat is pretty good!

wildswan said...

Ever since Trump won yet again, the whole spectacle of the response of the public Gullibles - the media, John Brennan, Nadler, etc. - is like watching concussed weasels who can't remember what they did before the blow and don't really know what hit them but who are still trying be be very tricky.