Let me put you somewhere just after the 2-hour mark in his conversation with David Lee Roth:
"I'd seen a bunch of factory farming video, and I was like, okay, I'm either going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter.... And so, I became a hunter. First of all, the nutrition that you get from wild game.... You just feel better. It feels amazing. Yeah, it's so nutrient-dense, and it's red and rich, and so what? You're eating an athlete. You're eating a wild athlete that's running away from wolves and mountain lions. I mean, it's just a different thing than a cow that's locked up in a cage...."
As for David Lee Roth, he says he eats like a crocodile.
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Deer had a problem for a while with the equivalent of BSE.
Chronic Wasting Disease map.
Rogan's a wimp. I eat the same way but most of the venison comes from deer I've tracked down then strangled with my bare hands. For variety, I ear bear meat from bears I've slain with my Bowie knife, after I've grinned them into submission, Davy Crockett style.
I've listened to a few snippets of Rogan's podcasts and I have to say he has some very interesting topics with some very interesting people. I have a 24 hour car trip to take in 2 weeks and I'm definitely going to download some episodes to take on the highways and byways of America.
Factory Farming is a cruel disgrace. It is. I'm not anti-meat eat, but it really is horrible and most people, if they knew, would stop eating meat. Or, at least, think twice about buying from mass-produced sources. I persoanlly never buy meat from massive mega companies like Tyson. I have nothing but *cools* for people who hunt-to-eat what they hunt. Not trophy hunting, but fill your freezer for much of the year- hunting. It's really a win-win.
I have client who is in the cattle slaughtering business. He consults with Temple Grandin on her method of keeping the cattle calm on their final death march, which is slightly less cruel at the very end.
Hunting is big here in CO, and I know people who do it the right way, and who don't. One of my favorite hunters hunts with a bow and he's very good at it. I'm not sure how it works, but he gets tags for deer and elk every year, and he hunts wild turkey. He and his wife and kids eat well. Healthy.
Dave would drive me nuts. I want to like him but he's too hyper. I can see why he drove his band mates to the brink.
A different kind of virtue signalling. I'm not sure how correct he is on the nutrient thing.
A vegetarian would eat bug, ant and fly.
I have client who is in the cattle slaughtering business. He consults with Temple Grandin
I do too! Their ranch manager is CO State- all very cool and interesting stuff...
Elk/venison jerky is the perfect food...
I don’t have very much use for Ted Nuget, aside from his early guitar playing (and even then not so much), but I’m always moved by the way he talks about hunting, giving it an almost spiritual dynamic. It makes a lot of sense that you would be immensely grateful, and revere the thing you’re killing because its sarifice is what brings you LIFE.
Just make sure it is properly and promptly bled.
Alligator itself can be pretty tasty.
"As for David Lee Roth, he says he eats like a crocodile."
That's bad, but not as bad as eating like a starfish. (https://ramdigestivesystem.weebly.com/starfish.html)
I came close to that once after drinking tequila with my brother.
I eat wild game too, and I think that anyone who eats meat should be willing to kill their food at least once. But unless I see some studies to the contrary, I'm not buying the idea that wild game is more nutritious.
Who has three hours for Rogan and Roth? Both bright guys but...
10 minutes in I'm thinking no.
If Rogan really cared about animal cruelty, he'd switch back to "factory farmed" meat. Arrow wounds don't kill the animal, they bleed the animal out. Once the animal is down, the hunter cuts the throat to kill them. Whereas slaughter facilities stun the animal before killing them. Much, much more humane.
I've read about factory farming as well and it is horrible. It's one of those topics that, if it got mass exposure, there would be a lot of people who would be in a quandary. And many others who would treat it as one of those things you understand, but you can learn to compartmentalize in the hope that after awhile, you'll barely ever even think about it. That's me. But I find that I think about it more and more.
I have, through the years, eaten a number of different wild game, none of which I killed personally. And wild caught animals do have a different taste. Some call it 'gamey', but I like the flavor of it. Rattlesnake. Elk. Bear. And of course deer and wombat. Well...not wombat. Wouldn't know how to cook it.
I've got another book that has sat on my shelf for years that's all about commercial animal food farms. I have resisted reading it for years because I know it'll nauseate me and push me over that line that I'm not ready to go over. I'm not ready to go Vegan. Or even vegetarian. By the way the book is called "Animal Factory" and if you've read it, I'd like to know what you think.
Gotta start listening to Joe Rogan's podcasts. He does seem to cover a wide range of stuff with wide variety of people.
I don't know if it makes a difference, but it seems to me that wild animals like deer spend their entire lives scared to death of being killed at any moment and having endless close calls to reinforce the fear, while cows on a farm just hang out in peace, eating and drinking with no fear of death like murdering scumbags on death row in California.
Doesn't a life of anxiety in the wild lead to a different taste in meat and a cruelty which our factory farms avoid for many animals. Imagine a factory farm with wolves running around the pens and shots fired over their heads all day. That's a life in the wild. Just sayin' there is always two sides to any argument.
Funny thing to me is that a lot of people want to hunt somewhere else from where they live. Know a guy in MT who goes down to CO every fall to hunt elk. The funny part is that I know another guy who lives less than 20 miles away who has an elk infestation problem, where he has a running war with a herd of >50 every year over the hay he has put away for the winter for his horses. Both he and his wife get tags every year for both elk and deer, and she takes hers out her kitchen window. Several times they have been able to get excess elk tags because there are so many elk. Guys I know in CO go to WY, and a friend of mine in N ID has a party from MI every year.
People in the big cities often ask why anyone would want to live so far from the nearest symphony or Broadway play. One reason is the quality of the meat. It isn’t just elk, but most everything else. We get grass fed beef and hand fed pork raised a couple farms down from her ex. They do a deal every year where they split the proceeds from his hay and alfalfa, with the other guy supplying the machines, labor, and a cow and a hog every year. For elk and bison, we know a guy who farms them. It is rare when the meat you find in big cities even competes with what you take for granted in rural America. And, yes, all that meat on the hoof causes global climate change, or whatever the latest scheme is to separate tax payers from their money, because of all the methane produced. But, somehow, I expect that I will survive it. And if I don’t, it will be after a satisfying dinner that includes a lot of good meat.
One theory is that we, as a species, wouldn’t have developed the brain capacity we have without eating a lot of meat. Meat has a lot more condensed energy than most plant food we eat. General health, including dentition, seems to have suffered significantly for our species, with the discovery of farming. And our health is only now recovering to the point that we were when hunting provided many of our calories.
60% of what Joe Rogan eats is meat from elk that he hunts with a bow.
Take a bow, Joe.
Wild animals sound so romantic, but their toughstuff. The best meat on earth is lamb from docile sheep. But in honor of Kosher rules and the warrior Jordan Peterson, Rib Eye steaks will do fine. Or just eat the whole Standing Rib Roast. Type O blood types need nothing less.
Less good food is preferable to more mediocre food.
"First of all, the nutrition that you get from wild game.... You just feel better. It feels amazing. Yeah, it's so nutrient-dense, and it's red and rich, and so what? You're eating an athlete."
"Halo Top has 240 calories per pint. But would you rather eat a pint of this than a quarter pint of ice cream that is made with normal ingredients — cream, sugar, eggs?"
Changed the way he lived after watching a couple of YouTube videos...sure it's a free country. I just shake my head at all the people that replace reason with emotion, and have no idea what they have done. Chickens are perhaps the least aware critter out there, rack em up in cages, they sure don't care. Hogs? Smart enough, but mistreated? Dry, warm, never hungry, seldom get even the sniffles, sanitary conditions. Cattle? conditions run the gamut. Outside all the time, have loafing sheds to stay out to winds, to inside structures that are much more climate controlled.
Animals aren't humans. STOP anthropomorphizing them. The health and survival of "factory" animal far exceed running in the wild.
"I have a 24 hour car trip to take in 2 weeks and I'm definitely going to download some episodes to take on the highways and byways of America."
This is one of the many branches that have shot off of The JRE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7bclsJfyuw
It's embarrassing to like it. To the point that I can't listen to YMH if others can overhear it. But, I have recommended it to folks in the real world, w/ lots of disclaimers re that I know it seems awful.
Also, re podcasts, I really like Exponent w/ Ben and James.
But back to the JRE, I'd recommend listening to the Fight Companions. The episodes that have all four guys (and Jamie) can be good even w/o the fight playing. IMHO.
Joe should buy himself a herd of cattle, and then shoot a cow whenever he needs the meat. Easy and peasy.
whether or not one eats meat a lot or only rarely, it is good to reflect on what you would need to do to be the tough son of a bitch a man might need to be sometimes if you had to survive on maggoty brown rice and puddle water for a few weeks.
if you are a woman, don't worry about it, nobody expects or wants you to think about things like that.
As for me I will never eat factory farm pork it is beneath my dignity as a human creature who is not a coward and who does not want to be associated with cowards. By the way, that applies to women too nobody likes female cowards much, although they don't take the SMV hit men do for being cowardly.
Sure it is nice if some woman talks and brags about being anti-SJW and carnivorous, and brags about being a good barbecue cook of just a good steak cook - trust me, I know many such women - but it must be done with honor, never with a lack of honor.
Eating an athlete seems like an appropriate way to serve mankind.
Hunting with a bow requires sufficient strength to draw, and to hold at full draw, an appropriately-sized bow that will power the arrow into your targeted game, and great accuracy to place the arrow where it will mortally wound the animal. Remember Ed Gentry making the shot of his life following the rules of Lewis Medlock?
Meeting both conditions is difficult under the best of circumstances. If the animal is hit, it's more likely that it's only wounded. What animal drops on the spot? Which obviously is the worst for the animal as the animal, if able, will run off with its wound to suffer, and worse for the hunter as he/she comes up empty.
Best to always carry a gun with you to finish the job. And even then.
I understand the he-man mentality that Rogan is spouting here, man without a high-powered weapon v. animal, in an feel-good attempt at trying to even up the odds. But even with a gun a hunter can wound the animal and the animal runs off to suffer.
Iowan2, I hear what you're saying. And that's where the compartmentalizing of my brain kicks in. I think some of those things you mentioned. Or I just don't think about it at all. But I came from the restaurant business years ago. I remember when Provimi veal was the thing. Many places would even state it on their menus, much like today's restaurants list the 'local' ranch that your lamb came from. But I researched provimi veal and didn't much like what I was reading. I love veal, but I took it off of our menu after I had read enough.
Don't get me wrong. I love a great steak, bottle of red wine, and a good podcast, just like anyone. But sometimes I have to think about where/how that steak came from. Or that podcast.
My son, my grandson and myself hunt deer on my 38 acres. My grandson (age 13) has been successful the last two seasons. We had a roast from his deer last weekend. Two things. One, he now knows how to shoot and track a deer. And two, it was the best venison roast I've ever had. A crockpot, with the right ingredients, can do wonders.
Nugent learned from Fred Bear. Bear Archery. A legendary hunter/outdoorsman. Met him when I was a pup when dad and I stopped in his archery "factory" in Grayling, MI. in the 50s. Read about him and his adventures. Truly binary guy.
"Arrow wounds don't kill the animal, they bleed the animal out. Once the animal is down, the hunter cuts the throat to kill them"
And that's considered a CLEAN kill.
I'm a compettition archer, I don't hunt but about half of my competitors do. And they are always telling stories of the near-miss that resulted in chasing down a wounded and terrified animal for hours.
It's weird too, the hunters in my group are usually in the lower 50% of competitors. My first day they were all talking trash about shots I considered routine. My first round turned their chatter to an awkward silence.
I think its because while I'm out on the practice range, they're sitting in a tree stand all day. Also, we shoot recurve, and tbeir compound bows teach really bad habits.
What bagoh20 @3:45 PM said. People, specifically urban/suburban Americans, have little or no real knowledge or experience of wild animals in nature, and what their (the animals) lives are like.
In addition to predation, there is always starvation as a threat. Especially in populated areas where the predator animals (e.g. wolves, coyotes) have been eradicated. Their populations blow up, they wreak the local ecosystems with intensive browsing, not to mention their depredations on my hydrangeas and hostas. I'm looking at you, Odocoileus virginianus. Here in the NJ Pinelands, we have to build fenced-in plantations to give the Atlantic White Cedar (Chamaecyparis thyoides) saplings a chance to grow some branches too high up for the deer to defoliate.
I won't even start on the plague of the god-damned Canada geese. Payback for all the draft-dodgers we sent them during the Vietnam war, I suppose, but hardly commensurate, unless the latter are equally given to public defecation.
I eat my factory-farmed steaks with a clear conscience and a fine appetite, and usually some sauteed mushrooms.
In the comments on moderation someone suggested that this was just what Dissenter was made for. I've had a Gab account since the beginning but, after trying it out, pretty much left it alone. I signed up for Dissenter a few weeks back but never tried it.
Here we go. I've created a "Dissent" to this post.
Ann, not that I disagree with anything you said in this post, just trying to figure out how dissenter works.
Ann, if you are not familiar with Dissenter, it is a comments section for any URL.
Info at dissenter.com
John Henry
The worst thing I ever ate was Zebra. The meat tasted great, but it failed to masticate. I quickly learned to cut smaller pieces.
I went to Burgundy Farm School in the early 50's. In Alexandria Virginia, not far from downtown.
One of our class field trips in 3rd grade was to a slaughterhouse. Probably in Alexandria, certainly nearby. We saw the whole process from stunning to hamburger. Very impressive.
My wife, a schoolteacher, can't imaging taking young kids to something like that. She is sure that I must be secretly traumatized by the experience.
We also visited, in addition to museums, a brick factory and a WonderBread bakery. Probably some other stuff as well but that is what I remember.
I had a client who made me go with him to a chicken slaughtering plant to see some machinery he wanted to buy back in the 90s. Not THAT traumatized me.
Not quite but it was pretty gross and it took me a while to not think about it when I ate chicken.
John Henry
These guys need to link up with the Inuit. I've heard the Inuit are pretty cool with sharing their wives, too. David Lee Roth should like that.
My dad hunted elk in Montana. As a child I ate elk steak, burgers and jerky. I no longer eat red meat.
I was talking to my mom about a field trip she took to Oscar Mayer when she was a child. They saw a pig slaughtered. They pulled the pig up by its tail and a guy stabbed it to death while it was screaming. She said it took 30 minutes to kill the pig. Oink oink
Rogan's pot debate episode is interesting.
He undermines his own position at some points.
Yes, everyone should grab a bow and arrow and head out to the forest to bag some game! Three things will happen, drive elk and deer down to extinction levels in weeks, Darwin's Law of Natural Selection will work it's magic on some of those erstwhile hunters, and we'll all be back to buying those cows.
Not all cows are raised humanly. Like Dairy cows --some of the worst conditions imaginable. The cows that hang out in giant fields, roaming and eating grass all day - yeah - that's a good gig. The happiest cows on earth must live in Switzerland. or perhaps Ireland. Grazing the green lush and the tasty flowers. mmmm - good eats.
Large scale factory farms for diary cows, and pigs and chickens -- total hell.
It could change but the prices would go up. People want cheap but with cheap comes poor quality. My cousin raised her kids forbidding them to eat any fast food. Convinced it sends kids into early puberty.
I think mass produced chicken tastes terrible. Same with pork. Most beef isn't good unless you pay a premium for grass fed. The cow slaughter person I know suggests only eating grass fed beef.
"Dave would drive me nuts. I want to like him but he's too hyper. I can see why he drove his band mates to the brink."
He's better on the podcast version, without the visual. His intense, excitable voice sounds -- to my ear -- like Carol Channing.
I don't know that I need my meat to be an erstwhile athlete. But I certainly don't want it to have entered my freezer via the hospital. And, knowing people who work in turkey and hog confinement buildings, I'm not at all confident of that. So we eschew both athletic and sick animals and buy locally from small farmers. Joe Rogan gets a feeling, a rush, from hunting his meat. We get a feeling, of neighborliness, from buying ours.
Although this strategy of hunting to eat meat certainly works for Joe, it really isn't a scalable solution to the problem of so many people wanting to eat meat.
E.g. If everybody who eats meat suddenly decided that they would only eat hunted meat, we'd all quickly become vegetarian.
I would think the elk would prefer a gun to a bow. If you are a little off target it will take days if not longer to die.
Fen said... I think its because while I'm out on the practice range, they're sitting in a tree stand all day.
Good points. I know my father-in-law, who is a very careful hunter, bow hunts in a stand and only shoots if he has a point-blank shot.
On other topic, I apologize for the snark the last two days. I don't agree with you, but there was no reason for the snark.
I am confident in stating Joe Rogan is full of it.
A time ago, I used to hunt. Rifle with scope, a $2,000 setup (that would be over $5,000 current day. I ate everything I shot, because I love game meat. I became very bored, me with a range scope, rifle with scope vs. a dumb animal, I always won (brain and equipment always prevails over sense of smell and hearing). So I quit and went to bow hunting, that was a mistake. An arrow or a bolt (cross-bow hunting in the latter case) rarely kills (hell, an arrow rarely kills a thin-skinned human). As someone said above, you must track the prey until it bleeds out or until it can no longer run, in which case, one must perform the "kill" once again. Meat of prey that has felt pain and has run the hell out of its life does indeed taste different than meat of quickly killed prey.
That said, I am pro-hunting and I still eat game meat of all kinds. My daughters grew up on game meat and when I quit hunting, they refused to eat any store-bought beef, which leads to another story for some other day.
Fortunately, I live in West Texas, where game meat can be had very easily. Also, goat and lamb (both "farm-raised", as they say in the city). One can buy that here, even in the restaurants. I do miss the seafood however, we have no ocean nearby. I digress.
Final point, bow hunting sucks, unless one needs meat or die.
My late step-monster claimed she hunted deer with a pistol when she was a young single mother, but we learned she was full of droppings, not from deer.
Along the lines of not immediately seeing typos; I first read the headline as "Joe Rogan drinks milk from elk that he hunts with a bow" and I wondered how he efficient it would be to get the milk after killing the elk; so I reread the headline and noticed my error.
I think that anyone who eats meat should be willing to kill their food at least once.
I think anyone who wears clothes should make their own clothes, at least once. (I was going to say anyone who lives in a house should build their own home, but that requires a lot of time and effort dealing with the government, making sure everything is up to code, and I don't wish dealing with bureaucrats on anyone.
Titus said...
I was talking to my mom about a field trip she took to Oscar Mayer when she was a child. They saw a pig slaughtered. They pulled the pig up by its tail and a guy stabbed it to death while it was screaming. She said it took 30 minutes to kill the pig. Oink oink
3/18/19, 5:04 PM
That's a big story. Why would you make your mother out to be a liar?
PB at 5:13.
If everybody went out bow hunting, there probably would be no extinction of anything, except for lost humans, chasing shot prey or simply binding the way back to base. A new breed would spring up -- we follow those, they shoot, lose the prey, we pick up from there. Also, there would be tons of useful arrows and bolts for the taking in the grass or dirt.
Well into her 80's, my grandmother still talked about seeing the kitchen help at her mother's hotel grab a chicken by the head and swing it around to break its neck. Later, her husband and FIL had 3 small commercial chicken houses in the adjoining back yards. After cooking some chicks in the incubator, she had nothing more to do with it.
John Henry, I grew up in the 60's and 70's about 2 miles north up Seminary Hill from Burgundy Farms School, which is still there, but never heard of it because the RR and Beltway largely cut us off from that area (and we thought that part of Fairfax County was uppity for calling itself Alexandria).
I suppose Joe Rogan is to be praised for his ability to properly nourish himself using a bow, but his high-mindedness is rather facile and transparently self-congratulatory. I've done some hunting and fishing in my time, and I've eaten everything I've ever caught or shot except some trout which were under the size limit, but I do not pretend to morally superior to someone who buys his meat from Safeway.
Fishing and especially hunting is hard work, and if the labor theory of value means anything I was fully entitled to those wild meals despite the machinations of government gamekeepers. Just two years ago I wounded a doe out of season. While I was setting up my shot on a nice young buck that looked like 40 lbs of delicious venison just waiting for my .300 AAC to liberate, a small doe got herself just downrange of my target. I didn't see her for the standing corn the deer were browsing on, but my shot when clear through the buck's vitals and into the female's spine. The buck ran about seventy feet and fell stone dead, but the doe collapsed immediately in paralysis. I finished her with a shot to the head. Next, I called the authorities to report the unintentional and unlawful kill. I was issued a waiver immediately, but they refused my request to take the carcass. By law, such kills are collected and dumped in a landfill. A waste, but a necessary one, I suppose. That's gubmint for ya.
[The buck graced the Thanksgiving table, btw. Soon I hope to serve an authentic feast with nothing on the menu but what was available to the Pilgrim Fathers — everything shot, caught, grown, or gathered by my hands and implements. I haven't worked out how I'll get the lobsters, however. I suppose real authenticity would require 17th-century accouterments as well, but I'm not trading my AR for a matchlock scattergun.]
Rogan's conceit is the fact that hunting is expensive compared to farming, especially hunting big game like elk, moose, or pronghorn. To be successful most big game hunters must travel long distances and pay big fees to game managers, guides, and property owners. They also need guns, ammunition (a dollar a shot or more for the good stuff), and the time and facilities to practice marksmanship. That's nothing to sneeze at. I suppose I have fired a thousand rounds in practice for every shot I have taken in earnest. Granted, Rogan is a bowhunter, but responsible archery — shooting with sufficiently effective weapons often enough to get a clean kill — is no minor investment of money or time. Most people can't afford this. To condemn the agricultural system that allows 350 million people to prosper in a land that supported barely ten millions in 1600 is atrocious. I have few complaints about veganism, if an adult wants to damage his health by eating only "organic" raw fruits and veg, that's his business. (It's entirely something else when children in their ignorance refuse animal-sourced foods, or, most horrendously, have such a diet imposed on them by the likes of Mayor Dee Blah-zee-oh.) However, I am highly amused and contemptuous of the high faluten moral laurels many vegas have placed on their own brows. I expect normal omnivores and hunters to be more rational and selfless than the typical man-bunned vegan twerp self-righteously masticating uncooked arugula, but when they're not it frosts me.
I currently live in colorado. You do realize that there are more applications for elk licences than animals available? You have to pay for preference points each year to be able to hunt in favorable area's. So every few years, you can draw your tag. These animals weigh hundreds of pounds. If you are by your self, it can take several days to pack just the de-boned meat out. ATV's are limited to only certain area's. How many people have pack horses? Joe can afford the time it takes and the money to do a hunt successfully. How about this: buy a orphaned dairy bull? Cheap, like 50$. They separate them from their mothers at birth. You bottle feed them until they are weaned. Don't dehorn or castrate them,leave em sexually intact. Raise them to be family pets, which is the natural progression. They eventually become dangerous do their size and playfulness. Bring them to the local butcher. There is no stress or strain. And bang, it's like you pulled the carpet out from under a 1000lb animal. The ethically raised meat costs less than 5$ a pound.
I wonder what David Lee Roth thinks eating like a crocodile means. I don't know him, nor do I listen to his music, at least not deliberately. If he's a typical rocker... well, I cannot say I'm immediately interested in what he has to say. As a demographic, rockers, particularly the elderly and rich ones, are a sad group intellectually. Making a lifelong career out of rock means living a perpetual childhood. As a rule, they just get older, never wiser. (Geez, do they get old... just look at this pathetic creep... Men who use eyeliner are fucked up. Men pushing 80 who use eyeliner need euthanasia.) Whatever.
Back to crocodiles. Being a poikilotherm the croc does not need to eat very often, nor do they. A full belly two or three times a month will suit your average croc nicely. Roth looks crocy enough in this shot. Another thing about crocodile dining is the table manners. Crocodiles are remarkably cooperative feeders. The crocs teeth and jaws are unmatched for seizing and holding prey, but they aren't too good at rending a carcass into bitesized chunks. For that they need a partner. Something tells me David Lee Roth doesn't need help eating.
At least not yet.
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Keith Richards once boasted of his desire to engage Trump in a knife fight. There's comedy gold potential, I'll wager.
If you hunt with a bow, who holds your violin?
"They saw a pig slaughtered. They pulled the pig up by its tail and a guy stabbed it to death while it was screaming. "
I'm sure - how many pigs did they slaughter every day? And they had enough employees to use that method? Plus the damage it did to the meat?
"Large scale factory farms for diary cows, and pigs and chickens -- total hell."
This is just nonsense. If conditions were "total hell" for these animals, then they would be neither productive or profitable. The worst places for dairy cows are on the old-time Mom and Pop dairy farms, many of which are now "organic", because it's the last refuge for the worst run farms. If I were a dairy cow, I'd want to be on one the big, well-managed farms where nutrition and cow comfort are paramount.
"Factory" farming is just another thing to get hysterical about. What does it cost to raise animals one at a time while whispering sweet nothings in their ears? Without large, efficient, well-managed farms, poor people would not be able to afford milk, eggs, or meat.
My grandfather used to have a small herd of beef cattle on his "gentleman's farm" (it was my grandmother's father's farm, but my grandmother didn't want to be a farmer). He'd name the calves after his kids and grandchildren, have them slaughtered and processed at a nearby facility, and either serve them at his table with accompanying narrative or send parts of them home with us, in neat packages, in a cooler. It was an interesting introduction to being omnivorous.
My grandfather was an Irish lawyer and former FBI agent, so naming cattle after his grandchildren and then eating them was kind of par for the course, I guess.
Archers in the crowd, how do you retrieve your arrows at the range? I'd never thought about that until recently when I started shooting.
Quaestor @6:53, finally someone who I believe has actually hunted. I started hunting later in life, but in the last 12 years I’ve taken more than 30 deer. One of the early commenters stated that hunters routinely cut the throat of deer and elk because the arrow doesn’t kill the animal, it just bleeds them out. Not only have I never had to cut the throat of a deer to finish it, I don’t know a hunter who does that. Secondly, of course the arrow bleeds the animal out. How else would it kill it? There are really only two ways to kill an animal. Destroy the nervous system or cause a drop in blood pressure that prevents oxygen from reaching the brain. Head shots are very hard to make with a rifle and impossible to make a kill shot with a bow, so ethical hunters don’t use them on deer/elk. Therefore, all hunting involves bleeding the animal out as quickly as possible.
Second issue, comparing the way hunters dispatch game to the way farm animals are slaughtered makes no sense. Wild animals would never end up in a slaughterhouse. The alternatives to death by hunter are hit by car, killed by coyotes or other predator, starvation or freezing to death. Have you ever watched a coyote or wolves kill prey? They don’t always wait for it to die before they begin eating it. A good shot by an ethical hunter is the best possible end for a game animal. This isn’t Disney; they don’t die peacefully in bed surrounded by family.
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