Listening and learning, but standing strong 💪🏽 pic.twitter.com/7TSroSf8h1— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) February 11, 2019
I'm reading about this in the NYT.
The leadership statement came as concern crescendoed over Ms. Omar’s twitter comment linking money from Aipac to political support in Washington for Israel. That raised the anti-Semitic trope of Jewish money holding inordinate power over foreign policy. But it came on top of earlier flash points that pitted Ms. Omar against Israel’s fiercest supporters in Congress, Republican and Democrat.
Last month, in an interview with Yahoo! News, she said when politicians “still uphold” Israel “as a democracy in the Middle East, I almost chuckle.” In 2012, she tweeted, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.” Ms. Omar had been trying to mend fences over those comments when she tweeted on Sunday night that support for Israrl [sic] was “all about the Benjamins, baby,” a reference to hundred-dollar bills....
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This will come as an absolute shock to Inga who will swear up and down that the dems, The Womens March, college campuses, etc are not rife with anti-semitism/BDS of Israel, etc.
Why Lawdy Lawdy! Inga ain't nevuh heard of such goings on! Heavens no...
Mobs are all over today.
It's enough just to ridicule her one on one.
As for jewish money, they don't need it. ABSCAM showed it took frighteningly little money to buy a congressman. Anybody can do it.
"My intention is never to offend my constituents or Jewish Americans as a whole."
Nope, just those stinkin' hook-nosed, baby-eating Jews.
No, no, no. Keep this one blabbering on and on. Yet another method of learning about Islam.
I’m hopeful that she’s one of these types who just can’t help themselves, continuing to reveal, reveal, reveal the major tenets of Islam.
America will eventually learn all about Islam. The outstanding question is this: Will that happen after the Muslims have made sufficient inroads into American culture and institutions to cause irreversible rot, or before.
I've been surprised how little attention Greenwald has received during this whole thing.
Essentially none v this gal's being held accountable.
Weird.
She'd better watch who she apologizes to. Islam kills apostates. Talk about buying congressmen.
As much as I agree that her comments were anti-semitic and offensive, I also have to say I am exhausted by all the outrage and demands for apologies. As you say Ann, here apology rings pretty hollow, so how long until someone is outraged about that?
Looking for a house to downsize into has not yet been fruitful, but it's not tiresome in the way this outrage stuff is, and it's fun to critique the architecture, decorating, and overall condition of the places for sale.
How about the unions and Green Energy lobby? Don't we have a First Amendment right to petition the government and meet with the elected representatives?
'I'm sorry you found out I'm an intolerant jew hating leftist Islamic female.'
but - diversity!
“Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”
Church and State = bad. State and Allah = diversity!
Dick,
You forgot to mention 'black' re yur version of her statement.
Ben Shapiro minced no words today. He said most of the Democrat Party is antisemitic and they are just embarrassed when the more virulent ones are honest about it.
It doesn't count as an apology until her husband makes it for her. This is Islam after all. Oh wait...
BTW 90% of the NY Times reader feedback is blasting AIPAC and supporting Omar. SMH
Ms. Omar does NOT belong on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
My old Jewish lefty friends talk about Israel that way. They like to distinguish between their loathing of the State of Israel and their loathing of themselves as Jews.
anti-de sanity:
Only leftists see skin color as a work around for their cray cray. what difference does her skin color mean to you? Does it give her a valid excuse for her obvious Jew-hate?
America will eventually learn all about Islam. The outstanding question is this: Will that happen after the Muslims have made sufficient inroads into American culture and institutions to cause irreversible rot, or before., says gspencer.
As has already happened in the UK and Europe. Can't we--just once!--learn from the mistakes of others?
"Ms. Omar does NOT belong on the House Foreign Affairs Committee."
She was questioning whether the term “Muslim supremacist” is offensive.
My first thought on reading “all about the Benjamins, baby" was that she was somehow referring to one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Maybe taking a side? I'm disappointed that that wasn't the case.
When will Pelosi, Schumer and Harris be asked if they support this thinking?
"He said most of the Democrat Party is antisemitic"
According to Pew, 79% of Jews voted Democratic in the 2018 midterms and 71% for Clinton in 2016.
This woman Omar is simply a dumb POS. And 'my intention is not to offend any group as a whole' when I say the voters of MN seem to be enamored of such types - as are those of WI. Democracy - you get what you vote for and deserve it.
Dick,
You were the one who was making up her statement so that it included the diversity bullet points. You just forgot one.
I'd be interested to find out how she feels about the homo, and what to do with them.
*Careful. If we call her out for her anti-antisemitism, we will in turn be labeled racists.
De:Sitter - I didn't leave it out. The color of her skin means nothing to the conversation about a left-wing Islamic female openly revealing her anti-semitism in the frame of own religion - Islam.
I think this is the Glenn Greenwald tweet that got Omar to respond via tweet re the dough from the Israel lobby:
"GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy threatens punishment for @IlhanMN and @RashidaTlaib over their criticisms of Israel. It's stunning how much time US political leaders spend defending a foreign nation even if it means attacking free speech rights of Americans"
The 'problematic role of lobbyists ...." as she lists off a bunch of conservative - and conservative-only - organizations.
Listen, bitch. Those organizations represent me. Some of them I pay money to in order to represent me. It's called freedom of speech.
OK Dick,
It's your imaginary statement from her. Obviously you can imagine anyway you want to imagine.
Everyone should stop using the word trope incorrectly.
Wikipedia explains what the word means.
One night Wifey and I were having dinner at a good friend's house, Holly, who also happens to be a Democrat.
Holly says "the Jews should just go back where they came from!"
And I thought: oh shit! She doesn't realize Wifey is Jewisb, and Wifey is the one who keeps *me* from over-reacting to political remarks at social venues. This situation is sooo fucked. Wifey is one of those very tolerant and patient people you do NOT want to piss off. I checked under ths dinner table for a comfy bomb shelter. Nope.
But it didn't matter in the end. Cancer got Holly a year later.
Damn those Joos and their -
(spins wheel)
- Cancer death rays!
BTW 90% of the NY Times reader feedback is blasting AIPAC and supporting Omar.
Some people consider that community sophisticated and worth reading and blogging about as if they are what America is or should be.
De-sitter- please explain how and why the color of her skin matters to this topic?
My uninformed opinion is that Omar and Tlaib are wacko, leftist Democrats, so they probably hate Israel, and probably are ant-semitic, and it really shouldn't surprise anyone.
The only thing of note is that Pelosi et al have to denounce Omar, because, well, the Dems don't want to lose any notable donors if they sit on their hands.
Non-religious Jews tend to vote Democrat, and religious Jews tend to vote GOP. I don't know how the Jewish donor class breaks by party -- maybe 50-50, since billionaire Sheldon Adelson contributes so much to the GOP.
Again, a hat tip to Glenn Greenwald. We rarely agree, but that SOB appears to be the only honest person leff in the Democrat party.
That woman is vile.
She is a credit to her "faith".
Dick,
Your imaginary statement from her included her gender. That matters the same as her color.
The camel's nose is under the tent.
Sitter-splace -
Imaginary? So she isn't an Islamic leftist female? Shall we do gender-less then? Leave it at Leftist Islamist?
OK, At least she loves good Jews . The trouble is that until all of the the Jews hiding out behind trees are killed, there will only be 6 million bad Jews who won the 1967 6 Day Warand took Jerusalem. And as Hussein Obama demanded, she also demands that if the Jews want to live a little longer, they have to remove themselves back to the 1949 Truce Boundary that existed Pre-1967...and you know Truces don't last forever.
What about the toe, PacW.
Interesingly, this Jihadist is elected from an all Muslim enclave called Dearborn, Michigan. That area was once the home for the workers that made cars for the worst anti-semite ever known in US history.
This is a perfect example of how conservative brains short circuit and turn into SJWS whenever the subject of Israel comes up. The strategy is always and forever to length any and criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. AIPAC is a lobby for a foreign state and has a tremendous amount of power on Capitol hill. That is not controversial. AIPAC brags about its power and influence in its fundraiser mailers. It wouldn't be much of a lobby if it didn't have power and influence. Accusing politicians of being craven and motivated by money and self-interest may be cynical (and wrong), but it's not anti-Semitic.
Gee it ALMOST seems like she was raised in a marinade of radical Islamist, Jew-hating anti-Semititic hate stew.
How odd.
It is interesting that, for now, the Dem leadership still must make a show of opposing antisemitism. But how much longer? Their left is moving left. Imported Muslims bring standard Muslim antisemitism with them. Many black and Hispanic Dem voters don't give a damn about Jewish sensitivities--if it ain't about them, it ain't racism. What's to stop them from going full-prog against Jews and Jewish power and the Jewish state? Apart from, you know, the donor benjamins?
The amusing part about all this? Minnesota CD-5 is chock-full of ambitious DFL pols who have been busy doing DFL hackwork for years, patiently waiting for the seat to open. There were probably three dozen potential candidates, including former mayors, one-time speakers of the Minnesota House, and a list of Dayton aides and grandees as long as your arm, who could have gone to Washington and done Nancy Pelosi’s bidding without causing any ruckus. And the minute the seat came open, the DFL apparat ignored all the strivers and greased the skids so Omar, who had been in the legislature for about 20 minutes, would get the seat. One more Omar outburst and the whole thing is going to back up like a sewage pipe.
Is CAIR on her list?
"At the same time, I reaffirm the problematic role of lobbyists in our politics, whether it be AIPAC, the NRA or the fossil fuel industry."
I notice she didn't say anything about her terrorist friends at CAIR.
Everything old is new again. I was in college when Jesse Jackson's "Himey Town" flap blew up. It was then I recognized the latent anti-semitism of the new left that was taking over from the Scoop Jackson old guard that was 100% behind israel and battled discrimination in all its forms. Now the party has been handed off to free wheeling anti-semites who really don't understand how ignorant and bigoted they are. Whatever happened to message discipline and policing the rank and file so they don't do things like this on a daily basis?
Much of the Islamic world wants to destroy Israel. Say so - openly.
Clues to why good people defend Israel.
Well, I say this knowing that it might put me in the Althouse penalty box. Regarding Ilhan Omar: Fuck her. Her and all her friends who always work at twisting up the language to hide who they really are.
I know exactly who you are.
I think its wonderful that we have such diversity in Congress, and now the views of Hamas and the rest of the pedophile worshipping terrorist savages have full representation.
Diversity is our strength. I wonder when the next time she is interview they will ask her views on apostates or on what the 9 year old fucking bloodthirsty 7th century desert warlord thinks should be done to homosexuals. I'm sure the media will get right on that.
Non-religious Jews tend to vote Democrat, and religious Jews tend to vote GOP.
Yes. Most 'Reform' Jews, like my sister and her husband, are Progressives while Orthodox Jews are usually Conservative. It makes sense. Believing Christians are also Conservative while secularist 'Christians' are usually Liberal.
NRA - defending the 2nd amendment of our Constitution.
You can have my gun when you stop flying planes into buildings in lower Manhattan.
Dickin' asserts: Much of the Islamic world wants to destroy Israel. Say so - openly.
Absolutely! Ages ago, while in college, my Kuwaiti boyfriend and his friends used to laugh out loud when I contended that Israel has a right to exist.
I often wonder what leg of the Democratic Party will collapse first -- the Repub/Dem male/female gender divide replicating itself among black men & women or will American Jews get so sick of the casual antisemitism of the present Democratic Party that a sizable fraction just stop giving to it.
Either option would be fatal to the Democratic Party. If the Dems percentage of the black vote drops to the mid 70s, they'll lose anything above the local level. If it drops into the low 60s, they won't be able to get elected dog catcher.
Same with Jews money. Jews, 2% of the population, contribute about 40% of the Democratic Party's money.** It wouldn't take too many donor defections before the Dems start to feel the financial hurt. If the Dems can't put a cork in the antisemitism (blacks and Latinos have the highest percentage of ethnic groups of just "endemic" antisemitism), one day the Jews just might wake up & keep their money.
** The article I linked to says %50. I'm using %40 since it's the percentage I've seen referenced most often. I've seen estimates as high as %60, all from Jewish sources, but I'm hanging with the most conservative estimate.
the anti-Semitic trope of Jewish money holding inordinate power over foreign policy
That's not anti-Semitic and it's not a trope.
We're still waiting for the left to criticize the group currently with the most pernicious lobbying impact on America: teacher and other public employee unions. Revealingly she managed to identify one group with minuscule financial donations (the NRA) while omitting the behemoths.
Interesingly, this Jihadist is elected from an all Muslim enclave called Dearborn, Michigan.
She's from MN-05, not Michigan.
Apologies used to be an admission that you did wrong. Implicit with this was that you would refrain from such actions in the future.
As such, the public apologies of our ruling class generally mean nothing.
I have no interest in her apology, or who might or might not accept it; it only functions as a fig leaf so that those who pretend can keep pretending.
That includes the 70+% of American Jews that support the Democrats.
If they wish to believe that the hatred of Israel has no meaning on them personally, then they are welcome to their circle of choosing.
I'm tired of people accepting bullshit so that they can live with their cognitive incongruity in relative comfort.
Hillary let loose the secret of what she thought of half the country. Of course, it was only a secret if you chose to ignore what she did by her actions.
If a majority of voting American Jews choose to believe that Ilhan Omar and her ilk would never think of THEM that way... well, it sucks to have the music stop and realize there is no longer a chair for you.
You're the one who brought her to the dance.
I am Laslo.
Dearbornistan, not Dearborn.
Excellent, Laslo at 4:07! As always.
Seems unlikely she will apologize for being antisemetic. She is a fool if she thinks that her extreme view of Israel will receive significant political traction in USA. I look forward to her next misstep.
She can always commiserate with Linda Sasour.
“Ms. Omar does NOT belong on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.”
I agree! And good for Democrats for admonishing her. They deserve a lot of credit, which I’m quite sure they won’t get here.
MN-05 is 67% white. Looked a little deeper and found that this was Keith Ellison's district for a while. Then a found out the Dems have had this seat since 1962 mostly under the DFL party designation. Basically it's an outright Communist oriented district. So Ellison & Ilhan were not elected because they're Muslim but because they're Communists.
@Farmer/Fernandistein,
The reason that Israel has such a hold on the American political imagination has not just to do with American Jews, but with American evangelicals. Now that support for Israel has been on the decrease among increasingly secular & left-leaning American Jews, Evangelicals often poll higher rates of support for Israel than American Jews.
Inga: "I agree! And good for Democrats for admonishing her. They deserve a lot of credit, which I’m quite sure they won’t get here"
LOL
The dems know all about her....and have been hiding it....until Omar threw it out there in a way that could no longer be hidden.
So the dems raced to get it under control.
Inga response: lets give them all Nobel prizes!!...or something.
LOL
Hey Inga, Omar wants to drive the jews into the sea. All of them. Not just some of them. And she's sitting pretty right there in your caucus.
Congratulations on her....and the infanticide bills.
Islamic supremacy and infanticide: just the things the US needs to "get back on track".
Traditional... That would be the other Jihadi in Dearborn. The one in question is from Minn,
Home of the freezing Somali.
AOC, Omar & Tlaib are open racists and good luck sweeping them under the rug.
“Holly says "the Jews should just go back where they came from!"
Some people love telling stories.
“Jewish-Americans as a whole” are supposedly not the target of her bigotry. Other Jews are fair game. The Koran, of course makes no such distinctions. Al-taqiyya sanctions her pretext.
Inga: "Some people love telling stories."
Elizabeth "Li'l Tomahawk" Warren, for one.
Isaiah 49:22-23: 22Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. 23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.
Pretty simple, the US is part of that prophecy. We Americans be the Gentiles helping the LORD out. Why should we stop?
Democrats want to reenact the holocaust though, or at least facilitate it.
--Vance
So "unintentional" replaces "please" as the new magic word ... Hillary "unintentionally" exposed classified information to foreign entities so no crime ... Warren "unintentionally" claimed minority status to gain academic and career advantage but no fraud ... Omar "unintentionally" expresses offensive comments re: Jews yet not anti-semitic ... got it.
If Omar is as stupid as she appears to be, she'll keep doing this. As I said in another thread, a fish doesn't know what water is (credit to Derek Sivers and David Foster Wallace). Omar doesn't know what antisemitism is because everyone she knows is an antisemite.
GDI: "Omar "unintentionally" expresses offensive comments re: Jews yet not anti-semitic ... got it."
Democrats unintentionally passed bills allowing the killing of newborns.
AOC courageously but unintentionally would institute a Maoist Great Green Leap Forward, starving millions.
@YoungHegelian:
The reason that Israel has such a hold has not just to do with American Jews, but with American evangelicals.
I don't disagree with that. The so called "Israel lobby" has always included folks like Ted Cruz. But to act as if pointing out the existence of the lobby is some called of czarist plot on level with the Elders of Zion hoax is over-the-top. And to pretend as if Jewish money and influence don't have an effect on US foreign policy is simply naive.
@Unknown,
And Unknown gives us a fine example of a Biblical proof-text from the annals of Christian Zionism.
It's very nice, of course, that Althouse features the Omar nastiness. But the electoral question remains: where will the Althouses draw the line? Is there any prog outrage that can overcome the pull of women's bodies? Pending YoungHegelian's black breakup scenario, until the Althouses defect, well and truly, prog insanity will continue.
NYT reader comments seem for the most part to be supportive of her and in agreement with what she had earlier said about Israel.
And why exactly did we import a couple hundred thousand Somali Muslims?
J. Farmer -- is there a problem with Jewish influence having an effect on US foreign policy? Influence through persuasion that America's ideals and strategic interests match those of Israel. Is everyone allowed to influence America's foreign policy except for Jews?
Representative Omar states: “My intention is never to offend my constituents or Jewish Americans as a whole."
If I may paraphrase the great hit by the Animals -- "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" circa 1965.
Baby, do you understand me now
Sometimes I feel a little mad
But don't you know that no one alive
Can always be an angel
When things go wrong I seem to be bad
I'm just a Leftwing, Jidahist whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood
"I'm reading about this in the NYT."
"You may be looking in all the wrong places. Try Powerlineblog instead"
Sorry, but Powerline has gone wobbly. I now have serious concerns tbat, like Kristol, their analysis is tainted by some left-wing billionaire donar.
And they'll ban you for complaining about Paul's constant anti-Trump pearl clutching.
After Redstate, the Weekly Standard, Legsl Insurrection and NRO, we simply can no longer trust "conservative" sites like we once did.
Try AceOfSpades instead. He's been solid for the 20 years I've been reading him.
http://ace.mu.nu
Who gets money from AIPAC--Reps or Dems, or do they spread it around to the non-hostile?
She could be mad she isn't getting any.
@Steve Uhr:
J. Farmer -- is there a problem with Jewish influence having an effect on US foreign policy? Influence through persuasion that America's ideals and strategic interests match those of Israel. Is everyone allowed to influence America's foreign policy except for Jews?
Planned Parenthood as a right to influence America's policies, too. That doesn't mean everyone has to like it. And people are just as free to criticize Planned Parenthood's lobbying. And it's unbecoming to act like a victim when someone does make that criticism.
Holly says "the Jews should just go back where they came from!"
Inga: "Some people love telling stories"
Interesting that it struck a nerve with you...
J Farmer - you didn't really answer Steve Uhr's question.
@Farmer,
And to pretend as if Jewish money and influence don't have an effect on US foreign policy is simply naive.
I would say that the effect of Jewish money on the Democratic Party is actually much more important in the arena of domestic policy. Jews, especially Jewish women, are very much in the vanguard of secular liberalism in cultural matters such as abortion, race relations, LGBQ matters, etc.
I really don't care about Israel, and default to its support because I see the Palestinians as some of the most politically incompetent people on the planet. Israel often just seems by default to be the ME adult in the room. I do, however, care that many liberal Jewish notions of Tikkun ha Olam seem to involve ideas antithetical not just to traditional Christian, but also to traditional Rabbinic, morality
And good for Democrats for admonishing her. They deserve a lot of credit, which I’m quite sure they won’t get here.
Oh, bullshit. The only reason they're calling her on the carpet is because she's doing too good of a job of making you all look like assholes.
stevew, 3:00:
"As much as I agree that her comments were anti-semitic and offensive, I also have to say I am exhausted by all the outrage and demands for apologies."
Couldn't agree more. I think she's wrong. The proper response is, "Here's why you're wrong" / "Here's why she's wrong"; not, "You can't say that! She can't say that! Nancy, make her apologize!"
J. Farmer:
"The strategy is always and forever to length [link?] any and criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism."
It is entirely possible to criticize Israel without hating Jews. However, people who actually do hate Jews love it when you do. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't, necessarily, but it does mean you might be unfairly assumed to be on their side. And yes, conservatives understand this better in other contexts.
If that is an "unequivocal" apology, I would be curious to see her equivocate.
@Dickin'Bimbos@Home:
J Farmer - you didn't really answer Steve Uhr's question.
"Is there a problem with Jewish influence having an effect on US foreign policy?"
That's not how you determine "a problem." It has nothing to do with their identity traits and everything to do with what that influence is.
"Is everyone allowed to influence America's foreign policy except for Jews?"
Straw man.
It's not just the Benjamins, but to a lesser extent the Abrahams.
"Is everyone allowed to influence America's foreign policy except for Jews?"
You said that there is a Jewish lobby that uses money to influence foreign policy = the Muslim gal's tweet = you are also antisemitic.
The problem you and Omar have is that yur feeding a lie that claims Jewish folks are using money to lobby for American policies that support Israel = yur antisemitic.
The NYT commenters have been winnowed into a very narrow political range, near left to far left. I think it goes the other way at the WSJ--I'll look tonight. And the commenters here, though including the full rage of opinion, are generally pro-Israel and anti Omar. So we've all herded ourselves into corrals.
I think you'd see NYT reader opinion flip if Israel elects a lefty government, even if that government doesn't change Israel's policy toward Gaza and the West Bank. This is all domestic politics. Dem ground troops don't really care about human rights or, apparently, accusations of sexual assault or dressing up in blackface. They just want clubs to beat Republicans.
I think Pelosi and the Dems are going to be hearing lots more from their loyal Jewish supporters. The kind of trash that Omar is peddling is par for the course in academia. Right now, Pelosi has key Dem voting blocs at each other's throats.
Mockturtle
Absolutely! Ages ago, while in college, my Kuwaiti boyfriend and his friends used to laugh out loud when I contended that Israel has a right to exist.
My first communication in an on-line forum was a music forum -(many years ago - the early aughts? ) I was taken aback by all the Israel-hate and open Jew-Hatred. I was naive to the whole thing. A lot of the commenters lived in Britain and Canada - and some in the US. Hipster-doofus leftists love them some Israel hate. It goes way back.
Message: I CAIR
A fake apology is appropriate here, and that is what she gave. The outrage industry will get nothing from me.
"dat bitch better watch her mouff, especially in Hymie-town" --Jester Jackson
Note the non-apology apology equating AIPAC, the NRA, and the fossil fuel industry: for progs, supporting Israel is just about as bad as abetting the gun culture or climate change.
For now, the Dem leadership affixes a fig leaf. But it doesn't hide the rot underneath. Soon, they won't feel a need to hide anything: they will be out and proud.
@YoungHegelian:
I would say that the effect of Jewish money on the Democratic Party is actually much more important in the arena of domestic policy. Jews, especially Jewish women, are very much in the vanguard of secular liberalism in cultural matters such as abortion, race relations, LGBQ matters, etc.
I agree regarding the domestic scene, but I think Walt and Mearsheimer did a decent job of explaining the affect on foreign policy in their book The Israel Lobby. Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban give to the Republicans and Democrats respectively, and both are 100% on the same page on Israel.
She received significant support from Jews during her campaign last year. I doubt many will abandon her, just a little tut-tutting.
Skipper - She did? How many Jews live in her district?
You need a tag for, apology bullshit.
Now who's going to represent the anti-Semites? Never mind, I'm sure some kook is waiting in the wings.
And they'll ban you for complaining about Paul's constant anti-Trump pearl clutching.
I think Paul is coming around, I've criticized him and not been banned.
“...she's doing too good of a job of making you all look like assholes.”
You do that to yourself everyday.
It's the Joooooos!!!! She's a bigot through and through, and that sort of ugliness goes clear to the bone. Minnesota should be ashamed of itself--they knew what she was--and elected her.
It is amazing how shitty the past few weeks have been for the Democrats. I mean seriously, just look at how they fucked up what was supposed to be Pelosi's victory tour:
-Northam and Tran advocating infanticide
-Northam in blackface
-Fairfax rape allegations
-Herring in blackface
-Omar's continued antisemitism
-The GND and GND FAQ cluster fuck
The Dems. were supposed to spend a month or two dunking on Trump but instead they're simply stuck trying to explain why their members aren't hypocrites and morons.
@anti-de Sitter space:
You said that there is a Jewish lobby that uses money to influence foreign policy = the Muslim gal's tweet = you are also antisemitic.
The problem you and Omar have is that yur feeding a lie that claims Jewish folks are using money to lobby for American policies that support Israel = yur antisemitic.
And if you think blacks commit more crime than whites, you're a racist. And if you think men and women are biologically different, you're a sexist. And if you think marriage should just be between a man and a woman, you're a homophobe. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
I would point out that there are plenty of Jewish Americans who complain about Israeli influence on US politics, but let me guess, they're just "self-hating Jews," right?
See how wonderful this technique is. You don't have to know anything or argue anything. You just point out the supposed character flaw in your opponent and declare victory. Like I said, it is amusing watching professed conservatives (who should know better) turn into sputtering Social Justice Warriors on this topic.
Hmmm...comments on Omar story at WSJ are closed. Never seen that before. They must not like what they are seeing.
She should never have apologized. You don't apologize for stating your true beliefs. You apologize when you have made a mistake or accidental hurt someone. She didn't say anything she didn't believe wholeheartedly. It's part of her culture. It's the diversity the Left is striving for, and insisting on.
@Farmer,
...I think Walt and Mearsheimer did a decent job of explaining the affect on foreign policy in their book The Israel Lobby
Ah, here you put your finger on what is the rub between us.
You tend to have a libertarian view of foreign policy as being govern by nations which you consider "rational actors", and those rational actors move according to interests along the Westphalian model. Thus, you see our strong lean towards Israel as upsetting what could possibly a rapprochement with Arab states &, for you most importantly, Iran.
I hold no such views, because unlike you, I am a man of faith as well as reason, and when a regime such as Iran's tells us repeatedly from the highest levels down that their foreign policy is dictated by their Shi'ite Apocalyptic Theology, I actually believe them. You think it's a scam. I think it's their foundational guiding principle, because, well, they keep saying and acting like it is.
The same with the Arab states. They all have their self-images & their state mythologies which to them are perfectly "rational" national objectives. They just don't look that way to a secular American, and so you look for a reason for the disconnect & find Israel a ready made excuse.
My intention is never...
I don't think the issue was people didn't understand her intention. It had nothing to do with her statements being confusing, vaguely-worded, or subject to multiple interpretations.
Her intention was quite clear.
Sorry, I'm a little late to this thread... Is it the Jews that are really running America, or is it the Russians?
Inga wrote: I agree! And good for Democrats for admonishing her. They deserve a lot of credit, which I’m quite sure they won’t get here.
They won't get it because Ilhan Omar is still on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. As Majority Leader Pelosi could bounce Omar off the Committee, but she didn't. InIead Pelosi engaged in some cheap theatrics, as usual.
Inga: "You do that to yourself everyday."
Inga says, while democrats stand over baby parts they'd like to sell to you...for a very reasonable price no doubt.
@Amadeus,
And the commenters here, though including the full rage of opinion, are generally pro-Israel and anti Omar. So we've all herded ourselves into corrals.
I know you meant "range" instead of "rage", but it's a wonderful malapropism, nevertheless.
DanTheMan: " Is it the Jews that are really running America, or is it the Russians?"
Let's just say this is what happens when democrat BS narrative 1 collides with Democrat BS Narrative 2
@YoungHegelian:
I hold no such views, because unlike you, I am a man of faith as well as reason, and when a regime such as Iran's tells us repeatedly from the highest levels down that their foreign policy is dictated by their Shi'ite Apocalyptic Theology, I actually believe them.
So when you see the closeness of the Iran-Russia relationship, you see a foreign policy "dictated by their Shi'ite Apocalyptic Theology." You're right. That is a "rub between us." I don't believe that regimes can exist on a revolutionary model for very long and have to pretty quickly get into the realist business of governing. I don't think there has been much behavior on the part of Iran in the last three decades that can accurately be described as "apocalyptic." Self-interest and self-preservation seem to be way higher on the totem pole.
They just don't look that way to a secular American, and so you look for a reason for the disconnect & find Israel a ready made excuse.
As an ethno-nationalist, I have to say that you have a very misguided understanding of my world view. I think that the world's created Northwest Europe and North America are unique to our particular histories and are not spreadable or exportable to other peoples. I think Western levels of standard of living have been duplicated in Northeast Asia, but I don't have high hopes Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, or Central and South Asia for a whole host of reasons. And none of them have anything to do with Israel.
Omar is just practicing her religion which endorses the destruction of Jews, Christians and any other "non-believers". It's not anti-semitism it is Islam. See Raymond Ibrahim's Sword and Scimitar for a frightening review of the Muslim antagonism toward other religions.
"I'm not anti-semitic-- I'd marry my brother even if he was a Jew !"
>>Let's just say this is what happens when democrat BS narrative 1 collides with Democrat BS Narrative 2
Don't be so harsh, Drago. It's possible that the Russians control the executive, and the Jews control the legislative branch.
We all know who controls the Judiciary, of course. It's the Catholics.... not all of them, of course. Just the white ones.
At least she is honest :) A non-apology is better than an outright lie.
gag. i agree with Uhr this time. When people talk about "jewish influence" but not vegetarian influence or irish influence or sports fan influence its because they see jewish influence as a bad thing.
You do that to yourself everyday.
Being considered as asshole by someone like you is a badge of honor.
That means I'm doing it right.
DanTheMan FTW
So an anti-Semite apologizes for expressing her anti-Semitism. So what?
She still hates Jews.
Richard Dolan said...
"I'm reading about this in the NYT."
You may be looking in all the wrong places. Try Powerlineblog instead.
That is outside Ann's bubble.
Too uncomfortable.
@Ken B:
gag. i agree with Uhr this time. When people talk about "jewish influence" but not vegetarian influence or irish influence or sports fan influence its because they see jewish influence as a bad thing.
The "bad thing" is mostly leftover from our WASP origins and a couple thousands years of Christian antisemitism. And people certainly did speak about "Irish influence," particularly its effect from the US on the Troubles.
Iran over-flows with radical Islamic Mosques that openly display - on the walls - Jew-hate/ Death to Israel.
Yeah - that's healthy.
@Farmer,
So when you see the closeness of the Iran-Russia relationship, you see a foreign policy "dictated by their Shi'ite Apocalyptic Theology." You're right. That is a "rub between us."
Because Putin's Russia sees itself as a Slavophile answer to the spiritual decadence of the West. Just like Iran sees itself as having an apocalyptic Islamic mission as an answer to the decadent West.
I don't believe that regimes can exist on a revolutionary model for very long and have to pretty quickly get into the realist business of governing.
There's a lot of ruin in a nation, especially when it has a fail safe source of income like oil. I can't believe that you see things like Mao's China, which fucked itself into the ground over & over again, and you can still think that the concern of those who run states is the "realist business of governing". "Fuck collecting the garbage! We have a world to set right!".
And none of them have anything to do with Israel.
The only aspect of American foreign policy that our relationship with Israel affects is our ME policies. Yet, according to what you wrote above, you don't seem to care much about that part of the world. I'm not seeing it.
I meant range (typos are my bane), but rage certainly captures something.
"He said most of the Democrat Party is antisemitic"
According to Pew, 79% of Jews voted Democratic in the 2018 midterms and 71% for Clinton in 2016.
So? 80% of Black people voted Democratic for decades during Jim Crow!
De-sitter- please explain how and why the color of her skin matters to this topic?
I think he was making the argument that her skin color matters to Democrats and intersectionalists, not that it mattered to him.
@YoungHegelian:
Because Putin's Russia sees itself as a Slavophile answer to the spiritual decadence of the West. Just like Iran sees itself as having an apocalyptic Islamic mission as an answer to the decadent West.
What does any of that have to do with Shi'ite Apocalyptic Theology? The closeness of the Iran-Russia relationship predates Putin's rise to power by a decade.
I can't believe that you see things like Mao's China, which fucked itself into the ground over & over again, and you can still think that the concern of those who run states is the "realist business of governing"
And what happened to Maoism? When was the last time you could describe China as revolutionary? 50 years ago? 60?
The only aspect of American foreign policy that our relationship with Israel affects is our ME policies. Yet, according to what you wrote above, you don't seem to care much about that part of the world. I'm not seeing it.
You accused me of having a disconnect over the fact that Arab nations "don't look that way to a secular American" and that I "find Israel a ready made excuse." I have no reason to look for an "excuse" to describe something that I do not have a "disconnect" over.
In fairness to Israel, they kept beating the Arab countries in wars before the US became a strong ally.
Americans love a winner.
Omar is from a shithole country and it was terrible policy for the US to admit Somali refugees in.
But it is what it is now. Muslims deserve their representation in Congress just like the Jews and the Irish and all others.
If people don’t like it, then don’t let them in the country in the first place.
US getting a little taste of that Muslim mainstream thinking with the two hijabs in Congress
Progressives will cover for it and her
as they Progressive hate Christians as the establishment
and Muslims hate Christians as infidels
(but not as burning hatred as for Jews)
We are so lucky not to be Europe, flooded with North Africans
Omar is a good example of the kind of immigrant Dems want
it's curious about Russia's relationship with iran, they fought a war around the 1820s, that's how they got Baku, and Dagestan, (Rutul and Belagani, as cited in the prologue to Crimson Tide, in the 20s, Stalin stamped out most Islamism of one kind of another from the Caucasus west, the Shah mostly suppressed left partisans of Mossadegh, and the Tudeh, the soviets equipped the Palestinians, against the Sauds, part of a vendetta, stemming from an incident in the 30s with the first contact, yet we not the Russians are considered the Great Satan,
Gahrie,
She knows that.
Sometimes I'm slow to see when I'm being played. I eventually figured it out after about (what seemed like) the tenth go around.
There are a good number of American Jews who are very critical of Israel. Most of their criticisms are fair.
But they are naive when it comes to Muslims. They will put the Jews in the ovens first if they can.
You do not need to invoke religion or some other ideological factor as a reason for a nations actions. In some cases it plays a part of course, but not usually in a straight line, so to speak, even when it does.
The first thing to consider is that foreign policy is often made by a very small group of people, who do not necessarily (or usually) represent the mass, and often not even all the upper class. The interests of a narrow clique that have captured this slice of the power structure can override national policy. The prime example is Japan in the 1930's, led into the Chinese war by a clique of military entrepreneurs, which even the General Staff was too afraid of to control.
Another reason why a nations policy may seem unreasonable is, often, that the outside observer may not have taken into account the internal political factors driving the policy. Internal competition and internal threats may drive a national leadership to take a seemingly absurd and self-defeating foreign policy position. Taken all-in-all though it is reasonable in that context.
But for lobbyists, I doubt we'd have found any reason to let a couple hundred thoussand Somalians into the USA. This America hating and Israel hating POS Somali immigrant should thank Allah America has lobbyists.
Taqiyya or tawriya.
Take your pick. Just don't be deceived into believing the apology is real.
Charlie Currie said...
She should never have apologized. You don't apologize for stating your true beliefs. You apologize when you have made a mistake or accidental hurt someone. She didn't say anything she didn't believe wholeheartedly. It's part of her culture. It's the diversity the Left is striving for, and insisting on.
Agree. Clarity is best. Not that we did not know before that she is an anti-Semitic bigot, let her be one out in the open. She is not going to stop hating the Jews, she'll, maybe, be more careful to hide it.
There was a certain humor in throwing the NRA in there, what is she, Harvey Weinstein? Hey, whatever happened to him?
@Farmer,
What does any of that have to do with Shi'ite Apocalyptic Theology? The closeness of the Iran-Russia relationship predates Putin's rise to power by a decade.
Because it was not written in stone that post-Soviet Russia would continue that relationship with Iran. Russia's revived Slavophilism gave Russia the ideological grounding to maintain that relationship.
And what happened to Maoism?
You stated, as a governing principle that states adopt realistic stances of governance. I gave you a counterexample. Mao's China was in power 27 years. He bankrupted the country at least twice. He murdered at least 65 million of his own people. The ascendancy of Deng Shaoi Ping vs the Gang of Four was not a triumph of "realistic governance". It was a palace coup that went one way & not the other. I can't believe you see this history as an inevitable triumph of "rational governance".
You accused me of having a disconnect over the fact that Arab nations "don't look that way to a secular American" and that I "find Israel a ready made excuse." I have no reason to look for an "excuse" to describe something that I do not have a "disconnect" over.
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.
"yet we not the Russians are considered the Great Satan,"
This is explained, at length I believe, by people such as Sayyid Qutb.
The US and the "West" as a whole are a religious rival to Islam. Western materialism and prosperity undermine Islam in a way that socialism never quite managed to. The Russians/Soviets could kill as they liked, but were nowhere near as effective at subversion.
@Gospace:
Take your pick. Just don't be deceived into believing the apology is real.
Apologies to groups that you are publicly shamed into giving are almost always bullshit. And unnecessary. You can apologize to a person that you've wronged, but apologizing to a group is almost always a stupid, bad idea. I still don't even understand why what was said , regardless if one agrees with it or not, even required an apology.
I also recommend against letting any significant Muslim minority take root in the US.
They will be a nuisance for centuries.
There was a certain humor in throwing the NRA in there,
How does she feel about muzzies "clinging bitterly to their guns and religion"?
Farmer,
I agree that the tweets in question weren’t anti/Semitic. Plenty of Jewish Americans are anti-AIPAC and criticize their influence and the influence of pro-Israel donors to both parties.
The problem for Omar is that she herself has said some anti-Jewish comments in the past. Like some who are anti-Israel she is also anti-Jewish (or was).
That's an awesome nonapology apology. But I couldn't give two shits about an apology and I'm Jewish.
@YoungHegelian:
Because it was not written in stone that post-Soviet Russia would continue that relationship with Iran. Russia's revived Slavophilism gave Russia the ideological grounding to maintain that relationship.
The relationship between Iran and Russia did not merely "continue," it improved dramatically following the end of the Soviet Union. And the positive relationship existed before any so called "revived Slavophilism," which makes your description of the relationship ahistorical.
I gave you a counterexample. Mao's China was in power 27 years.
In the history of a nation, particularly China, "27 years" is a millisecond in historical terms.
I can't believe you see this history as an inevitable triumph of "rational governance".
Those are your words, not mine. I didn't say anything about rationality. What I said was that I did not believe "regimes can exist on a revolutionary model for very long." I would cite Mao's China as an example, not a counterexample.
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.
In short, this sentence--"They just don't look that way to a secular American, and so you look for a reason for the disconnect & find Israel a ready made excuse."--is bullshit.
Buwaya,
I agree. The Muslims who first came over on the 1969s and early 1970s from Egypt, India, and Pakistanwere fine.
But there should be no more Muslim immigration in the US. The ones coming after the 1979s are not tie mother and father’s Muslims.
No doubt there are some good ones, but too many radicals as well. And it’s too difficult to sort out or predict.
Ms. Omar had been trying to mend fences over those comments when she tweeted on Sunday night that support for Israrl [sic] was “all about the Benjamins, baby,” a reference to hundred-dollar bills....
If she sings Weird Al's "All About the Pentiums" tomorrow on Capitol Hill, all will be forgiven.
re Somalia, I guess this fellow is all our ball and chain, even though he died nearly a quarter century ago:
https://www.revolvy.com/page/Siad-Barre
we supported him against Mengistu the faminist Marxist of Ethiopia, who was the real Kilmonger, he received some training by the US
Noble black Muslim woman stands upon the front lines of liberation.
She's so black, and Muslim, and female. I'm so liberated.
"How does she feel about muzzies "clinging bitterly to their guns and religion"?"
It wasn't 'and,' it was 'or.' And there were more cling options.
"But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
BHO --> DJT --> Klobuchar Same song, different singer.
Omar is only representing her constituents. IMO, she should not have apologized, as the apology is insincere and fools no one. It's just a forced ritual response to the de rigueur political feint from the Dem powers that be.
BTW speaking of BHO, he said Omar was his favorite character on The Wire.
Weird, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmtuRRhtGQw
@mockturtle:
It's just a forced ritual response to the de rigueur political feint from the Dem powers that be.
Ilhan Omar is learning that criticizing Israel is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of American politics.
the book length screed by Robert gleason, has a bill maher manqué, being lectured by a female arab terrorist, who lectures him on America's great transgressions, and as a card board cut out he doesn't offer any reply, yes we prevented Saddam from taking the Hasa fields in Eastern Arabia, and you see how we were thanked for that, it would have been fairly quick for most of Al Queda's infrastructure, including probably bin laden himself would have been liquidated in short order, of course then the Arab street would find some way to blame us for that. Eisenhower provided the first of the nuclear power apparatus, is apparently our fault as well,
"Omar is only representing her constituents. IMO, she should not have apologized, as the apology is insincere and fools no one. It's just a forced ritual response to the de rigueur political feint from the Dem powers that be."
Thread winner by Mockturtle.
She makes it clear why I cannot trust Democrats.
J. Farmer said...
@mockturtle:
It's just a forced ritual response to the de rigueur political feint from the Dem powers that be.
Ilhan Omar is learning that criticizing Israel is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of American politics.
Fatuous as usual.
This is hardly the first anti-semitic post she has made. In fact it is rather banal compared to some of her better works. She and her friends, just like Iran, have been clear as fucking day what they want to do with all of the jews.
Maybe you should go look at more of her quotes.
Then you wouldn't look like such a stooge.
> There are a good number of American Jews who are very critical of Israel.
Of course they are, they are critical of deplorable rednecks in general. Israelis are redneck Jews.
@Achilles:
This is hardly the first anti-semitic post she has made. In fact it is rather banal compared to some of her better works.
Perhaps you could give us an example of some of these anti-semitic posts.
Israel is a very small player in the global information scape
https://securitystudies.org/the-role-of-fomenting-revolutions-in-qatari-grand-strategy/
yes it's a full deck of jokers
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/11/rashida-tlaib-farrakhan-anti-semitism/
Farmer: "Ilhan Omar is learning that criticizing Israel is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of American politics."
Same old Farmer. Falling in with the islamic supremacists for the same old reasons: a shared enemy.
she keeps hitting those same notes,
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/05/ilhan-omar-israel-hamas/
Kill all the Jews in Israel to please the Prophet, (I.e., the Caravan Raider who was dedicated to murdering his victims) ? Hmmm. Maybe we should give her the benefit of the doubt. Her band of Killers just wants to drive the grumpy Jews into the Sea. You know, so they can have fun at the beach, relax and swim around until they slowy drown.
oddly the one would want to have come here, cannot, well Imran khan is very much a puppet of the boys of aapbara, (isi) and the Pakistani army,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/09/asia-bibi-pakistani-authorities-barring-her-from-leaving-friend-says?CMP=share_btn_tw
@Drago:
Same old Farmer. Falling in with the islamic supremacists for the same old reasons: a shared enemy.
As an ethno-nationalist, "islamic supremacists" are my enemy. I don't support Omar's politics, but I am against SJW tactics of labeling people who disagree with me politically as morally deficient. I don't believe in calling people racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, etc. I put "anti-Semitic" in the same category.
Farmer:"As an ethno-nationalist, "islamic supremacists" are my enemy."
Gotcha.
now with the other broke girl, miss ocasio cortez, her chief of staff, is a fan of subandas bhose, the Japanese and nazi would be proxy of indian politics, now to be fair, it's not an isolated perspective in indian politics today,
Omar apparently isn't woke enough to use dog whistles.
@Drago:
Gotcha.
Doubt it, but I don't mind giving you the benefit of the doubt ;)
She didn't criticize Soros. That's the only infallible way of determining if someone is anti-Semitic........If any Israeli leader carried on the way Assad, Qaddafi, and Saddam did, all the AIPAC money in the world wouldn't help Israel. Israel's offenses are more like zoning violations than genocide.the Arab leaders are stupid and cruel.......Most Americans of German, Irish, and Jewish backgrounds were either pro-German or anti-British at the outset of WWI. Nonetheless, they got behind our entry in the war. It wasn't a triumph of British lobbying but rather of German stupidity. Zimmerman didn't deny the telegram. He bragged about it........Jews themselves aren't all that bright when it comes to propagating the right cause. The Rosenbergs literally laid down their lives for Stalin, and this at a time when he was plotting a pogrom that be far bloodier than anything carried out by the Czar. And beyond that American Jews embraced the Rosenbergs and considered Roy Chong and Judge Kaufmann some kind of traitors to their class.......Idiots, all of them.
@IlhanMN
Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine #Israel
9:15 AM - 16 Nov 2012
Enough for you, J. Farmer?
J. Farmer said...
@mockturtle:
It's just a forced ritual response to the de rigueur political feint from the Dem powers that be.
Ilhan Omar is learning that criticizing Israel is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of American politics.
There is much truth to this; on the other hand, she and her friends do want to push the Israelis into the see and kill them all. So there is that too.
Ha. see s/be sea
I notice that some people like Congresswoman Omar constantly make the argument that they should be able to criticize Israel and not be called anti-Semitic; she doesn't hate Jews only Israel. It's OK to single out Israel because she is only advocating for her people, i.e., Muslims. She has a right to believe that Muslims are the good guys and the Jews are bad. The Qur'an says so.
Out of curiosity, where are the activist Muslim Americans who are criticizing the corruption of the Palestinians or the fact that Abbas is serving his 14th year of a four year term? Or that Hamas, the PLO and the PA still have not changed their charters calling for the destruction of Israel after all these decades? Or that Hamas is a terrorist organization, aligned with Hezbollah and with Iran? No, of course not. Does anybody really believe the Palestian State will be democratic? Abbas has already said there will be no Jews allowed and the Christian population has been diminishing.
We only hear the Democrat activists such as the Congresswoman protesting about the "occupation." We are supposed to believe that Israel is the cause of the suffering of the Palestinians and weakening Israel is the solution to Palestinian oppression. Under Obama we were told that Israel (the Jewish state) was the cause of all the political unrest in the ME. Under Trump no one is saying that anymore. Because now we can say the problem is Islamic fundamentalism.
What we don't hear out loud from Democrats is their intention that Israel be sufficiently economically weakened that Israel will agree to suicidal borders or possibly be weakened militarily. Omar never admits that is her goal and the intention of the left. Does she think we don't see that? If she didn't hate the Jewish people would she really expect that Jews would acquiese to the destruction of Israel?
@Alex:
Enough for you, J. Farmer?
As I've said before, I don't consider criticism of Israel (whatever one thinks of that criticism) to be anti-Semitism. Something can be wrong or illinformed without being anti-Semitic. It's a peculiarity of American discourse. I criticize the US-Saudi relationship all the time, and as far as I can remember, no one has ever accused that criticism of being motivated by anti-Arab sentiment. Only when the criticisms turn towards Israel do people start presupposing that you must be motivated by some irrational bigotry towards Jews.
She needs to get primaried and go back to Somalia where her attitudes are part of the enriching cultural milieu.
@R.J. Chatt:
We only hear the Democrat activists such as the Congresswoman protesting about the "occupation." We are supposed to believe that Israel is the cause of the suffering of the Palestinians and weakening Israel is the solution to Palestinian oppression.
This is why many Israelis and passionate Zionists consider the occupation to be detrimental to Israel. It gives the Palestinian Authority and Hamas a useful excuse to blame all their failures of governance on. If Israel wishes to rule over people who have no ability to participate in Israeli politics, it will get resistance. That is the nature of the dynamic of occupation.
On the plus side, she's much cuter than the average Islamic militant.
As I've said before, I don't consider criticism of Israel (whatever one thinks of that criticism) to be anti-Semitism.
Straw man. The anti-Semitism issue arises when Israel or Jews are singled out for criticism over doing what (or much less than) lots of other countries or people or interest groups do. AIPAC takes donations and tries to influence Congress. The horror! They're one of hundreds of such groups. And what is wrong with that, anyway? That is how our system works.
Criticism of Israel as a political entity is certainly not innately anti-Semitic. Those who assert it is are simply intending to make any criticism of Israel tantamount to heresy or blasphemy. It's no different (and no more valid) than saying any criticism of American policy or actions in the world is "anti-American."
> On the plus side, she's much cuter than the average Islamic militant.
Her brother sure thinks so!
@James K:
Straw man.
It is not a straw man. I asked for an example of her anti-Semitism, and I was given a tweet of hers criticizing Israel.
And what is wrong with that, anyway? That is how our system works.
Department of Commerce lobbies for loose immigration. What's wrong with that? NARAL advocates for unfettered access to abortion. What's wrong with that? The Mojahedin-e Khalq, a Marxist cult in Iran, has lobbied to get their designation as a terror group removed. What's wrong with that?
It's not the lobbying per se. It's what's being lobbied for.
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