February 4, 2019

"It doesn't really matter what I believe or anyone else believes."

On "State of the Union," yesterday morning, Jake Tapper talked to Terry McAuliffe about the Ralph Northam problem. Transcript. Video:



McAuliffe was the governor of Virginia just before Northam, and Northam was his lieutenant governor, so McAuliffe could not avoid vouching for the man he was there to denounce. And with Northam having made such a fool of himself saying one thing and then another, it was important for McAuliffe to sound competent and lucid as he put together the argument that Northam has to go. That didn't happen:
TAPPER: Northam is now saying it's not him in the photo. Do you believe him?

MCAULIFFE: It doesn't really matter what I believe or anyone else believes.
Why not?!! It's Tapper's first question. You're going to say it's a bad question? You're on the show for a reason. You worked closely with Northam. Help us out here! Was he confused? Is he a liar? We want to know what to believe, and you're telling us it doesn't matter what we believe?
When this first came out Friday afternoon, and I -- and, Jake, when you invited me on the show, I, in my wildest dreams, never thought you and I would be having this conversation.
Huh? Why does he think he's on the show if not to help us understand Northam, and now you want to tell us you won't address the subject? (Also, I'm distracted imagining what goes on in Terry McAuliffe's "wildest dreams.")
So, when the photo came out Friday afternoon, when it was sent to me, I said there is absolutely no way that Ralph Northam is in this picture. And then, Friday evening, it came out that Ralph indeed was -- he said he was in the picture. At that point, for me, morally, the only right thing to do -- and it was hard. I called Ralph on Friday night. It was one of the hardest things I had to do, was my lieutenant governor. We worked closely together. We did so many great things working together for the Commonwealth of Virginia. But once that picture with the blackface and the Klansman came out, there is no way you can continue to be the governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
So McAuliffe told Northam he had to resign. Noted. But that was when McAuliffe was believing it was a photograph of Northam. What does he think now? How can it not matter whether that's Northam in the photograph?
We have had a horrible and sordid past as it relates to race relations. We have worked very hard, Ralph and I, over the last five years to move the state forward. If you remember, in 1902, a state senator said that I'm putting a felon disenfranchisement in our Constitution -- quote -- to eliminate "the darkey" from being a political factor in Virginia. I was proud to, 114 years later, give those felons their rights back. But we have worked hard in Virginia. So, this is -- I have got to tell you, it's heartbreaking. And it's been one of the worst 48 hours. But Virginia needs to come out of this stronger. I can't sit here and pretend and be in the steps of those individuals who have been offended by those photos.
So it does matter what people think or are you still saying it doesn't matter whether or not it's a photograph of Northam. Tapper asks the right question. See if you can find McAuliffe's answer:
TAPPER: ... if it's not him in the photo, which is what he's saying, why do you still think he should resign?

MCAULIFFE: Well, first, he said it was Friday night. And, if it wasn't him in the photo, he should have said that on Friday. I have no idea what was going on in the governor's office on Friday. I just -- if you are not in -- instinctively, you know if you put black paint on your face. You know if you put a hood on. And so, if it isn't you, you come out with -- immediately and say, this is not me.
That sounds as though he's saying he doesn't believe Northam, but he said it doesn't matter what he believes, so what's the answer to Tapper's question. Why do you still think Northam should resign.
So, I can't understand what's going on. But I do know this. Ralph is a good, moral, decent man, and may have made some mistakes in his past. We all have made mistakes. Ralph will do the right thing for the Commonwealth of Virginia. He will put Virginia first. And I think that will happen relatively soon. He's worked hard. Thanks to Ralph's efforts, we got Medicaid expansion done.
So Ralph's a great guy he will do the right thing. Why should such a wonderful fellow resign?
But we have to move on. You cannot be the moral leader....
Why?! He's  "a good, moral, decent man" who's done great things for the state, but he "cannot be the moral leader." McAuliffe's idea seems to be that because Virginia's history of race relations is so horrible, Northam must sacrifice himself:
MCAULIFFE: I know Ralph very well... And if Ralph is watching this today, I know how much he loves this Commonwealth of Virginia. And you have got to make the right decision. You have got to make the right moral decision. We have to bring people together. We have had a horrible history in Virginia. He and I, working together -- and he chaired the child cabinet that I formed with my wife to feed needy children. He's done so many great things. It's not about Ralph anymore. This is about who we are as Virginians and how we move forward.... We have to move Virginia forward.... And, as I say, he will be remembered for so many great things, but he will also be remembered, in a time of need, that he chose the right moral course for Virginia, and he resigned, and we moved forward.

TAPPER: I know that the Ralph Northam you know in your words is a good man.... But has he also been a racist?

MCAULIFFE: I have zero indication of that. As I say, family doctor, had military service, had been a state senator, ran for lieutenant governor, and literally at my side. I mean, we made historic investment in K-12 to make sure that underserved schools had the right teachers, and, as I say, to make sure every child had a nutritious breakfast, working with my wife, Dorothy, on that. When I did the restoration of rights, and was sued by the Republicans to stop me from doing it, Ralph was always at my side. So I can't answer it, Jake. I'm telling you, I'm heartbroken. I don't know how -- I mean, I have been -- it is -- on Friday, I just don't -- I can't explain to you my feeling. But it doesn't matter how Terry McAuliffe feels. That photo that was in that yearbook was so offensive to the African-American community, that I can't be in their shoes. And we have just got to get past this....
The photo was so offensive — and McAuliffe can't be in African-American shoes — so Northam — though he's a fine governor and maybe not even the man in the photograph — must resign. That's the "logic."

92 comments:

gahrie said...

I really don't understand bending over backwards to defend Northam when you were so willing to throw Kavanaugh and Sandmann under the bus.

Ann Althouse said...

@gahrie You are wrong about what i wrote about Kavanaugh and Sandmann. That's why you don't understand.

Shape up and stop lying about me.

jaydub said...

They were obligated to throw Kavanaugh and Sandmann under the bus because they are not leftists. Tribal allegiance and all, you know.

Ann Althouse said...

And I'm also not defending Northam.

I'm analyzing the performance of people who are talking about Northam.

buwaya said...

What one needs to do ab initio is examine McAuliffe's interests.
Who does he serve now? Who is his paymaster?
It does not seem that he is inclined to pull a Cincinnatus and rusticate, so he is still a player.

Then it is possible to make sense of his position, in what sense is it expedient.

And, of course, what does anything except expedience have to do with anything he says?

jaydub said...

Sorry, Ann. I didn't realize gahrie was referring to you. I thought he was talking about the Dem establishment.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Maybe not to you Terry, but it sure as hell does to the rest of us.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Terry McClinton(D)

Triangulations.

gahrie said...

You didn't say that Kavanaugh was "too perfect" and that you believed CBF?

You didn't defend Phillips and blame Sandmann for not walking away?

Cite the posts where you defended Kavanaugh and Sandmann and attacked their accusers.

You didn't attempt to defend Northam by explaining his remarks on abortion? Incorrectly I might add.

The point is, you have still never condemned Phillips, the Black Hebrews or CBF for their bad actions and instead have tried to make excuses for them...something you never do for those on the Right.

Virgil Hilts said...

I remember growing up with Robert Byrd as one of the most powerful democratic leaders; dems were just fine that he use to actually wear the Klan sheet and indeed started his own KKK "chapter." He said, heh I made a mistake, and was forgiven.
Ancient history? Byrd was a U.S. Senator until 2010!

Bay Area Guy said...

The problem is lacking a fixed moral and political standard.

Everyone knows that if hypothetical Governor Ed Gillespie (R-VA) was found to have a blackface/KLan costume photo in his old yearbooks, the Left would have pilloried him.

And, of course, every nervous-nelly Republican would have joined in for fear that they might be targeted.

This is somewhat of a recent development.

For years, the Senate had Robert Byrd (D-WV), who was an actual Klansman in his youth and Strom Thurmond (R-SC) who ran for President as a Dixiecrat in 1948. The general thought was, well, these two were not so hot back then, but that's ancient history, they've repented and aren't causing any problems now. So, let's not dwell on it.

That equilibrium is over. The Left will dig thru any old yearbooks to find indicia of racism, if it benefits them politically today. Hence, politics today is much more messy.

Anthony said...

I'm getting a severe and unrelenting schadenboner from all this disassembling.

"Have you now or were you ever. . . . .a raaaaaaaaaaacist?"

Virgil Hilts said...

In a 1997 interview, Byrd warned young people "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena." Toi bad that advice came 13 years too late for Northam!

cubanbob said...

McAuliffe is a criminal. That explains his restoration of voting rights to criminals. Virginia is a mess. First they elected a criminal, then a racist proponent of infanticide and now that guy's replacement is an advocate of infanticide and an alleged sexual harasser. Moral of the story convicted criminals and civil servants should not be allowed the vote.

Hagar said...

Terry McAwful is Clinton, Inc. through and through. What matters is that Northam has brought the MSM down on himself and has become an embarrassment for the Democrats and Virginia Democrats in particular. Truth or falsehood, right or wrong does not factor into his mental gymnastics. He will be running for president, so give them a fogbank of gobbledegook, and just hope that none of this will stick to him, Terry McAwful.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

McClinton, Inc. Get your free pass to a life of crime, Sanctioned by the WaPo.

Tank said...

He has to resign so we can stop talking about what racist DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR he is and go back to talking about what a racist Trump is.

Rick said...

But has he also been a racist?

MCAULIFFE: I have zero indication of that.


Zero indication huh? Maybe the KKK hood is some indication. Being proud enough of the photo to put it in your yearbook is some indication? Maybe .01% of evidence we would consider proof?

gahrie said...

Is this where I'm supposed to threaten you with slander for calling me a liar?

StephenFearby said...

In related news...

Evening Standard (UK)

The classic family film Mary Poppins has been branded racist by a US academic who accuses Dame Julie Andrews of 'blacking up' with soot while dancing with chimney sweeps.

In a piece for the New York Times, Professor Daniel Pollack-Pelzner criticises one of the film's iconic moments, when Mary Poppins joins Dick Van Dyke's Bert to dance on a rooftop for the classic song Step in Time.

He writes: "When the magical nanny (played by Julie Andrews) accompanies her young charges, Michael and Jane Banks, up their chimney, her face gets covered in soot, but instead of wiping it off, she gamely powders her nose and cheeks even blacker."

'...Fans were divided over the professor's remarks.

One wrote online: "I think this is a reach. She was friends with a chimney sweep. When she went out and danced with him she got soot on her face if I recall this correctly."

Another wrote: "Mary Poppins wasn’t flirting with black face! It was soot in their faces from being a chimney!!!"

A third said: "This is a candidate for the stupidest New York Times article of all time."'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/us-academic-sparks-mary-poppins-blackface-row-a4056126.html

bagoh20 said...

Since the real thing is so hard to find, and virtually impossible to catch your enemies doing now days, we resort to inflating what we can find to get our daily dose of outrage. Outrage is a constant - only the triggers change, and if there is no actual living racism to be found, we can gin it up out of old stale crumbs left lying about.

Rob said...

The mystery is why somebody like McAuliffe agrees to be interviewed at all, when he knows he won't have a decent answer to the questions he's sure to be asked. "Appear on your show, Jake? Yeah, right after I remove my own appendix." What strange chemical imbalance explains politicians who are drawn to a camera like a moth to a flame?

Lucid-Ideas said...

This is the mansplaining version of Melania's "I don't really care do you?" jacket.

One problem. That was elegant. This is ham-handed and coarse.

Hagar said...

All of this crap about how the Confederate flag, statues, blackface minstrel get-ups, and KKK hoods, etc., hurts Black people's "feelz" and must be avoided at all costs is a recent development in MSM lore.
That is, this kind of treatment of it is. The history it comes from is real enough, and there are real enough feelings among real people, I am sure, but this MSM stuff is more like distorted images in funhouse mirrors at the carnival than the real thing.
And don't blame Black people for it; they are being huckstered once again, and perhaps worse than ever by very "White" people.

Unknown said...

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

stevew said...

McAuliffe's friendship sounds pretty opportunistic to me. This guy, Northam, that he's known and worked with professionally for a very long time is not worthy of McAuliffe's support and defense, even if just to delay judgement until everything about the situation is clear. Wouldn't McAuliffe know if Northam was a racist, incapable of being a moral governor long before this photo showed up?

With friends like Terry, who needs enemies?

Unknown said...

A purifying fire is burning through the party.

Michael Moore says AOC is the new way

With us or against us

no middle ground

They are out in the open now.

John Clifford said...

This exemplifies the modern Democrat/progressive: it's all about rightthink. Who cares if the man is guilty or not (whether Kavanaugh or Northam)? We all know that the right thing to do if you are guilty is to resign, so resign because it's the right thing to do! Because you're guilty by association... you're white and blacks were oppressed by whites / you're a man and women have been sexually assaulted by men. Own the collective guilt and atone for your group's sins!

Only it never applies to folks like Bill Clinton, the serial sexual assaulter that McAuliffe fell all over himself to defend.

I keep on remembering the quote of hypocrisy being the tribute that vice pays to virtue, and how it applies to Democrats/progressives, in spades.

Wince said...

Northam should have just left out the spicy mustard.

buwaya said...

Re the Mary Poppins thing -

"This is a candidate for the stupidest New York Times article of all time."

It isn't interesting because its stupid, but because it is a window into reality - that is, the actual world-view of the people who are teaching your kids, or rather, of those who are training your kids teachers. This is not bizarre in that world, it is normal.

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Mike Sylwester said...

The yearbook picture shows Ralph Northam wearing his Michael Jackson costume. Northam wore that costume to the party because he intended to dance like Jackson in a contest at the party.

Northam won the dance contest, and that's why a photo of the event was included in the yearbook.

How did it happen that someone else came to the party in Ku Klux Klan costume and posed with Northam for the picture? That's what I want to know.

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Felons can be forgiven enough to permit them to vote.

Northam cannot be forgiven?

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Exactly who has been harmed by this photograph? Exactly what was the harm?

People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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During the election between Northam and Republican Ed Gillespie, a political advertisement showed a pickup truck trying to run over some colored children.

Northam was not responsible for that advertisement. He should have denounced it, but he did not order or pay for that advertisement.

rehajm said...

It's fun to deep dive and criticize the word cloud McAuliffe is wafting but it misses the larger strategy that the word cloud is designed to obfuscate the cut and dry issue. Yesterday there was a ham handed doofus. Today there is obscurity. Tomorrow there will still be a Governor who wore blackface and a left that has litigated the issue and is ready to move on.

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daskol said...

Hypocrisy as the tribute vice pays to virtue is a grand concept, and doesn't apply to this display of virtue signaling. This is moral cowardice and political opportunism, and a guileless politician who can't even be bothered to pretend otherwise for a television interview. Guileless in this case is not a compliment.

Unknown said...

North Ham is a merkin

Not a true believer

He has to go

McAwful senses he will soon be up against the wall

Thus his hesitation

at the trigger

buwaya said...

"McAuliffe's friendship sounds pretty opportunistic to me."

Well, yes, of course. That is the nature of these people.
You are unlikely to go wrong very often by assuming the worst.

wildswan said...

In Virginia there is and has been for a long time an agreement that racism will be put behind and all its little ways. It wasn't a joke or feelz; they know what it was and what it entailed and that stuff won't be allowed. Hearts and minds are another thing. And for Northam in 1985 to dress like that violates the agreement. Saying it was acceptable in Staunton or at VMI doesn't make things better. It insults downstaters and it isn't true. Everyone, including Byrd, agreed to put those ways behind quite awhile ago. Northam broke the agreement; he simply cannot govern.

Mike Sylwester said...

Terry McAuliffe is talking incoherently in this interview, because he cannot say that the whole scandal is absurd.

He is pretending to make sense about an absurdity that he knows is absurd.

The Democrats cannot afford to lose any African-American votes, and so they have to pretend that this photograph is a big deal. That's the only reason why McAuliffe plays along.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

. I can't sit here and pretend and be in the steps of those individuals who have been offended by those photos.

Interesting. So you, yourself, are not offended by the picture, Mr. McAuliffee? Shouldn't you be?

[That's the kind of immediate, easy follow up question you'd expect a journalist to ask. I mean, I know lots of the principled True Conservative and nice centrist types just loooove ol' Jake Tapper but you'd expect him to at least pretend to ask a tough one every now and then, yeah?]

donald said...

He said that Rothram, Who is a pediatric surgeon misspoke when he described in clinical detail on how brand new born babies get the thumbs up or the thumbs down. Said he must not have been clear on the legislation. We just laughed.

chickelit said...

The point is, you have still never condemned Phillips, the Black Hebrews or CBF for their bad actions and instead have tried to make excuses for them...something you never do for those on the Right.

I don't think Althouse does condemnations -- she's not a building inspector. That being said, I think McAuliffe is awful. I believe the worst about him because over the years, he's generally acted like a partisan shill and more specifically, like a Clinton sycophant.

tomaig said...

"I know how much he loves this Commonwealth of Virginia."


You know who else really loved the Commonwealth of Virginia, and was known in history for that love?

Robert E. Lee.

A subtle slam by McAuliffe?

Mike Sylwester said...

Correction to my comment at 12:21 PM

I inadvertently used the expression colored children.

I meant to write Children of Color.

Please make the mental correction.

buwaya said...

"People are making a mountain out of a mole hill."

As always at all times. The subject of controversies is often something quite arbitrary that stands in for deeper problems, that one side or another, or both, do not want to acknowledge as the true reason for the conflict.

Examples abound. The Gracchi were continually opposed by the powers of the day, that is, those of the upper classes that would be eventually known as the faction of the Optimates. Their tendency was to use procedural controversies - that is, various mole hills, while the real struggle was over the otherwise popular land reform laws.

chickelit said...

"Condemnation" can translated from the Latin as "with the Democrat Nation."

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BamaBadgOR said...

Ann's comments and analysis re this are a good example of why I like her blog so much.

narciso said...

Quilted northam, who misrepresented the location of his military service.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

And in 2001 Byrd (D-Klan) said he's seen a lot of "white Ni**ars."

He served as a respected and high ranking Democrat US Senator until his death in 2010.

Tell me more about your standards.

Caroline said...

I still contend that wearing blackfaceis not ipso facto an indication of raaaaacism. You could be clever Mardi Gras maskers, a group of whom I saw in 2010 in “blackface” and wearing green gliytter bowler hats and shamrocks, with a sign explaining that they were the “o’bammy’s”; or maybe you want to go to your best friend’s 60th birthday “secret desire” costume as Tina Turner or Josephine Baker. Or maybe you want to enter a dance contest in the eighties and perform a tribute to Michael Jackson. These are not exhibits of hatred or debasement. What is happening is that others are attributing to you malicious motives that they themselves have supplied. This is calumny.

Infinite Monkeys said...

Northam must sacrifice himself

Just what I had been thinking. A sacrifice has been demanded.

The Left isn't worried about anyone's feelings, they just want to be able to continue to use the "racist" accusation as a tool.

LYNNDH said...

And now the LT Gov has accusations of sexual assault against him. Which he denies of course. Now, him being a Dem and a Black Man he will not suffer any consequences for his actions. Believe all woman except those that accuse a Black Dem Man.
Bad week for Dems. Nah.

Leland said...

What the voters believe does matter. I did hear more of Northam's denial. Northam says of the photo "That's not me. That's not who I am." Northam is taking a piss and claiming it is rain.

David Begley said...

“to eliminate "the darkey" from being a political factor in Virginia. I was proud to, 114 years later, give those felons their rights back.”

What is he saying here? That all VA felons are Black?

It was a crude way to get more votes. Nothing about race unless the Dems make it so.

Mike Sylwester said...

Ralph Northam wore blackface in the dance contest because he wanted everyone there to know that Michael Jackson, an African-American, was an extraordinarily innovative and entertaining dancer. Northam was paying homage to Jackson.

That's the same reason why so many movies starring Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland included blackface performances. Those movies included also African-American performances. African-American dancers were not humiliated or insulted by participating in such movies.

Watch the movies and see for yourselves.

The recurring story was that Mickey and Judy were putting on a show. Practically all the participants were Caucasians. They would sing and dance. Toward the end of the show, they would include a blackface performance, in which they would dance and sing in a Negro style. The idea was that the Negro style was innovative and entertaining, and so the show's audience should learn to appreciate it.

Mickey and Judy could not simply go get some Negroes to participate in the show. American society was racially segregated. Mickey and Judy did not know or socialize with any Negroes. The best that Mickey and Judy could do was to put on blackface and give their audience an indirect performance of Negro talent and artistry.

Bay Area Guy said...

Have any Republicans called for Northam to resign?

I haven't heard any. It's coming mostly or singularly from Dems who have made the political calculation that he may politically weigh them down.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Why, the governor is a good man. A good, decent man. A fine man, good and decent, and racist. A fine, good, decent, racist man. A fine, good, decent, racist, moral man, who kills babies. A fine, good, decent, racist, moral, baby killing man, or in other words, a democrat party member.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Shorter McAuliffe: "Coonman is a good man."

Mike Sylwester said...

The emergence of Negro artistry into our society was a gradual process.

There were intermediate stages.

In the 1950s, Negroes had to be extraordinarily gracious in order to appear on television. They had to be like Nat King Cole -- handsome, well-dressed and polite -- singing beautiful, melodic, romantic ballads. You had to have Nat King Cole for a while before you could move on to, say, Jimmy Hendrix.

In the 1940s, there was an intermediate stage that included blackface performances. The performers were Caucasians, but they danced and sang in a Negro style. They wore blackface to show homage to the Negroes who had created and developed such entertainment. The idea was that our society should appreciate Negro artistry and should progress to including actual Negroes more into our entertainment businesses.

You had to have these blackface performances for a while before you could move on to, say, Nat King Cole.

walter said...

If you remember, in 1902, a state senator said that I'm putting a felon disenfranchisement in our Constitution -- quote -- to eliminate "the darkey" from being a political factor in Virginia. I was proud to, 114 years later, give those felons their rights back.
--
Yeah..thanks for the reminder..one of his high points.
And "medicaid expansion"!
But hell, they'll both be out of there before those chickens come home to roost.

These top Virginia Dems have a particular twist to their corruption. Keep talking and dancing.

Sebastian said...

"We want to know what to believe"

Like any prog, McAuliffe believes progs should have maximum power. Other than that, he doesn't "believe" anything, in the sense of sincerely holding a well-grounded opinion not swayed by convenience.

Here, he is just trying to figure out which way the wind blows, and move in the direction most advantageous to the Dems. But it is not entirely clear what that direction is. Sure, he leans toward throwing his buddy Ralphie under the bus, but he can't be too obvious about it, and the outcome is not a done deal. So massaging the issue to limit the fallout for Dems is a good second-best compared to saying what he "believes."

Ralph L said...

Is McAwful running for President?

Northam still hasn't told us why he chose that picture for the yearbook. Whether it's him is almost unimportant.

Mike Sylwester said...

In the old days, they did not have Twitter.

They had yearbooks.

StephenFearby said...

uwaya wrote:

Re the Mary Poppins thing -

[Quoting one of the NYT readers comments in the Evening Standard's article]

"This is a candidate for the stupidest New York Times article of all time."

This comment in:

‘Mary Poppins,’ and a Nanny’s Shameful Flirting With Blackface
By Daniel Pollack-Pelzner
Jan. 28, 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/movies/mary-poppins-returns-blackface.html

...has apparently since been removed, along with all troublesome (and non-troublesome) readers comments about the Mary Poppins article!

How Orwellian.

1984: “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

Anonymous said...

Mike Sylwester: Terry McAuliffe is talking incoherently in this interview, because he cannot say that the whole scandal is absurd.

The whole [x] is absurd describes about 90% of contemporary political discourse. Every morning I wake up and wonder if today's trending "news" can be more idiotic and hysterical than yesterday's, and it always is.

He is pretending to make sense about an absurdity that he knows is absurd.

If so (I didn't watch it), then it's a point in his favor that he's aware of the absurdity. Pols always talk b.s., and know they're talking b.s., but often lack an ear for just how bullshitty their bullshit sounds, when they've been inside the machine too long. If McAuliffe really does recognize just how batshit this stuff has become, he's doing better than most. Just about everybody in office these days sounds crazy to me. Not (just) disingenuous. Or dishonest. Or wrong or corrupt or blatantly criminal. Crazy.

I get the impression that a lot of people don't recognize just how far off the deep end this stuff has gone. This is deadly serious, but they're still taking it seriously *in the wrong way*.

tim maguire said...

IMO, whether or not Northam should resign comes down to what standards do you use to decide? I believe in a statute of limitations for stupidity and I don't believe that an otherwise decent person should have their career ruined because of a past indiscretion or embarrassing passion.

When does the statute of limitations kick in for Northam? Well, he has never admitted to, apologized for, or done any penance for his past racist behavior. So the clock has not yet started to run.

Is he a basically decent person who deserves some slack and the benefit of the doubt? Well, he has recently run a race baiting campaign that tried to ruin his opponent over trumped up charges of racism. So no, he isn't and he deserves no free pass.

I don't see any real argument that this isn't something recall or resignation worthy.

Jaq said...

What is weird is that he admits to blackface, but not in the picture, so it's all good. To me it's like the made up rules in Harry Potter or Game of Thrones.

buwaya said...

"what standards do you use to decide?"

The rules of Calvinball.

walter said...

Even "Oh that.." McAuliffe knows Northam's admission, retraction, deflection in the now is a problem..even if coffee guy ignores it.
But yeah, if he got where he is wielding the racial cudgel, he deserves it back.
But first show us that moonwalk of your favorite artist.."Uh..who's that, honey? Oh yeah..Mitchell Jackson"

Earnest Prole said...

What McAuliffe is trying to say is that he knows nothing.

mccullough said...

It sounds like he copped to using a lighter-shade of blackface to imitate Michael Jackson as some strange excuse for why he didn't immediately say that wasn't him in the yearbook photo under his name.

It took him a day to figure out that it wasn't a Michael Jackson and Klansman photo but a Sambo and Klansman photo.

Apparently posing with someone dressed as a Klansman didn't perturb him.

FullMoon said...

As posted by others here before, Not him in the klan pic.
If I know this, well connected Mc Cauliff knows it also.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/smoking-gun-northam-college-photo-shows-man-in-same-plaid-pants-as-the-blackface-kkk-yearbook-photo/

walter said...

Unless

John M. Fields
‏ @ibah50
4h4 hours ago
Replying to @HillBuzz @GovernorVA @RalphNortham

Pants not the same in photos. In black face pic,
there are thin white lines in BOTH dark horizontal stripes and light color horizontal stripes. Other pic has thin white lines in dark horizontal stripes, but dark thin lines in light color horizontal stripes. Not the same pant

Richard Dolan said...

Althouse goes looking for the logic and concludes there's none to be found. True enough if political logic doesn't count. The demands (almost all coming from lefty land) for Northam's resignation aren't merely a matter of needing to preempt a claim of hypocrisy if they don't scream for his scalp. It's more a matter that the outrage machine works on a quasi-religious basis: Northam sinned (albeit a long time ago) against all that is holy and the only salvation now is to be found in the consuming fire. The elders of that church, such as McAuliffe, are reluctant to pronounce a sentence of anathema against Northam, as some were with Al Franken, but they know that those in the pews will stand for nothing less.

glenn said...

Bottom line, if Jake was a real reporter he’d be working for a real news organization and people like McCauliffe would be hustling marks in Boomtown Nevada.

walter said...

Jake can give us an animated recreation of the dance contest.

Ampersand said...

This ritual of humiliation and expulsion over foolishness from decades ago seems pointlessly cruel. It leaves me queasy. And the incoherence of McAuliffe and Northam under pressure reinforces my sense that these people lack competence in that they are unable to think through their positions. Instead, they substitute a process of basing their positions upon the reigning emotion of the instant. Our "leaders" are not very good at what they are supposed to do -- to lead effectively by making good decisions under pressure.

Anonymous said...

Earnest Prole: What McAuliffe is trying to say is that he knows nothing.

Another popular sitcom that could not be made today.

FullMoon said...

Pants not the same in photos. In black face pic,
there are thin white lines in BOTH dark horizontal stripes and light color horizontal stripes. Other pic has thin white lines in dark horizontal stripes, but dark thin lines in light color horizontal stripes. Not the same pant


Ha! Now I am as confused as the Gov.

Guy in the pants probably sweating it out wondering if he will be outed.Not to mention KKK person and blackface(if not gov)

Mark said...

MCAULIFFE: It doesn't really matter what I believe or anyone else believes.

Why not?!!


Are you intentionally obtuse? Or just naturally? And do you really not bother to pay attention when people explain things to you hundreds of times?

Mark said...

gahrie said...
I really don't understand bending over backwards to defend Northam when you were so willing to throw Kavanaugh and Sandmann under the bus.
2/4/19, 11:32 AM

Ann Althouse said...
@gahrie You are wrong about what i wrote about Kavanaugh and Sandmann


That's a non-denial denial. The question was about bending over backwards to defend Northam.

Phil 314 said...

This would have been a great post for Crack's wisdom and insight.

Tom said...

McCulliff can’t say the obvious truth - “we can’t possibly destroy republicans with false accusations of racism if there’s a picture of you in black face or a hood and we don’t sacrifice you. We’re doing a fine job of aborting African American infants before they can become problems so that we don’t have to act racist in public. You’re really messing that arrangement up big time! The press can only cover for us so far, dude.”

Tom said...

Do you think Northam is a racist?

I have no indication of that, other than the white hood. And the black face. And over 7,000 African American infants aborted each year. But, again, I personally have no indication of racism.

southcentralpa said...

The part that I assume would be parsed out if Northam didn't have the magic (D) behind his name is that if he initially admitted to being in the picture, wouldn't that seem to indicate that he appeared in blackface and/or a KKK robe enough times he doesn't remember particular occasions ... ?

Temujin said...

Terry McAuliffe was the main money gatherer (bundler, chief campaign fundraiser, rainmaker) for the Clintons during their time in the White House. During that time when the Clinton's were taking in money from all over the world, notably- people tied to the Peoples Liberation Army (China). The names Yah Lin 'Charlie' Trie, and Johnny Chung should be remembered with McAuliffe, and he should have ended up in jail, but instead he ended up as Governor of Virginia, thereby laying the groundwork for Northam and his Lt. Governor currently under the microscope.

McAuliffe is now eyeballing the White House. He already worked with the Clintons to provide the Chinese with previously secure satellite technology and cleared the way for US companies to sell that tech to China in return for large donations to the Clintons. McAuliffe had the money coming in from all sides. He's slime. I need a shower every time I see an interview with him.

Here's some of McAuliffe's greatest hits. And this is from Mother Jones- not exactly a conservative organ:
Terry McAuliffe He's now eyeballing the White House. You people think Trump is an issue. Hoo Boy.

The Godfather said...

Look, if Northam weren't such a doofus, he could have handled it this way:

Right out of the box he confesses that, 35 years ago, I did something I'm now terribly ashamed of. I hadn't intended my action to be hateful, I'd intended it as a joke, but I have learned long since that racial prejudice is no laughing matter. I am deeply sorry and I apologize profoundly for the hurt and anger my actions caused.

BUT, he says, I ask the people of this great Commonwealth, and in particular the African Americans of Virginia, to remember my deeds, not just my foolish actions. For example, in my first year as your Governor, I have -- and then go on to list his accomplishments and his proposals that arguably can be said to benefit African Americans [I assume he's done some things he can spin that way]. Then he can list the progress that he helped produce as Lt. Governor and whatever else he can claim some credit for. Look at Althouse's post yesterday about Trump's appearance on one of the Sunday talk shows to see how this can be done and spun.

A non-doofus could survive with such an approach.

FIDO said...

We worked closely together. We did so many great things working together for the Commonwealth of Virginia.


Does anyone find it even a little bit ironic that Terry "Antifa" McAuliffe and his hand picked Lieutenant Governor, whom together they orchestrated that RIOT in Charlottesville against supposed Klansmen and Racists, are now being bitten on the ass by said Lt. Governor being caught in a Klan Uniform?

It is too bad that CNN doesn't have any competent journalists or we had any functional comedians who would bring up that point. A few clips of McAuliffe next to Northam condemning Klansmen while Northam's picture edges into view...

Two Byrds with one stone.

FIDO said...

Feh.

Althouse was asked MANY times for her opinion on Kavanaugh. She blatantly refused.

She was then asked the far less incendiary question of the LEGAL demands, where the LEGAL OBJECTIVE CRUELLY NEUTRAL™ weight of the argument lay. Her opinion left out of it.

She refused to comment on that either. Because to comment on the weight of the lack of evidence would mean to confirm, even sans opinion. And...she just couldn't force herself to say that when it mattered. Then she would be 'Former Law Chair and Blogger with a wide audience thinks Kavanaugh should be confirmed'. And she didn't want her house stoned by the other Lefties in Madison.

What she did say and I specifically remember was her saying that she found the testimony of CBF 'credible', particularly because of the earnestness of her husband.

But that wasn't supposed to be taken as any kind of 'opinion' by Althouse. (rolleyes)

Feh. The majority of her commenters took that to mean exactly what she wanted them to take in her 'finger on the side of the nose' wink and a nod.

And when they did, she said she didn't SAY anything. Our inferences were our own and...silence.

Blasey could be wrong...but she couldn't be a liar. She couldn't be just the first of the THOUSAND WOMAN MOB who sought to lie about Kavanaugh. She...needed extra benefit of the doubt because 'Woman' or 'Academic' or 'Feminist with Bad Hair'.

Now, WAY after it would do any good, or rehabilitate her character, Althouse lets us know she 'thought he should have been confirmed'.

Kind of like that kid, who during a childhood tussle shouts out the names of both the combatants, but AFTER the fight, goes to the winner and tells them 'I was on your side the whole time.'

Althouse teaches us good lessons. In this case, it is a touch of sympathy for Henry VIII when faced by Thomas Moore.

Marcus said...

People of color vs. Colored People. Doesn't matter. Same thing.
Colored. Negro.Black. Afro-American. African-American. Person of Color.

To me, people are people.

Even the evil ones who want to make newborn babies comfortable until they can kill them.

THEOLDMAN

Maillard Reactionary said...

"It doesn't really matter what I believe or anyone else believes."

He's right, because no amount of belief, or anything else, could make this non-issue matter in any significant way.

Having said that, I can imagine the chagrin of the interviewer, trying to elicit a juicy sound-bite from his guest and being outmaneuvered by an intellectual welterweight like Terry McAuliffe.

I think we can agree that there's no win for McAuliffe here one way or the other. So why did he come on the show, anyway? Well, he got paid, and he got to go on TV. When you are a politician, that's what you live for.

Any questions?