Writes Nona Willis Aronowitz in "Don’t Let Sex Distract You From the Revolution/Maybe the Second Wave celibates were on to something" (NYT). It's just by chance that crossed my bloggability line on the same day as the WaPo article "How Lady Gaga convinced me to give up dating — and finish my book" (link goes to my blog post) — other than that the newspapers might have been influenced by Valentine's Day.
Nona Willis Aronowitz, who is 34 years old, is the daughter of the radical feminist Ellen Willis, so take that into account. It's interesting to hear a relatively young person make sense of what the older generation had to say, and I'm struck by the shortsightedness of what she has to say about her own generation:
Ultimately, the pro-sex feminists won out. In this moment of feminist resurgence, no one is suggesting we stop having sex....Ultimately? There is no ultimately. Life goes on. And there is another generation after you. If you can see that "Maybe the Second Wave celibates were on to something," why are you confident that the war is over and the "pro-sex feminists" have won? Isn't the label "pro-sex" a little hollow and too proud of itself?
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These women can speak for themselves. They’re missing out on plenty. Dopes. Against human nature.
Feminists who don't reproduce are higher quality, larger and more brightly colored than feminists who do reproduce.
THIS is why you can't have mixed sexes in combat
THIS is why you can't have homosexuals in combat
Lots of reasons why you can't have certain people in combat, but sexual relations are a Big no no.
This is ALSO why wives shouldn't be allowed in combat zones
"And there is another generation after you."
Is there? Not for a great number of you. It will be some other peoples' generations.
Peoples die out, classes and castes die out, cultures die out.
People say "ultimately" when they mean "eventually." Sloppy, but common. Eventually, most people grow up. Ultimately, they all die.
You read the news today and you say the pro-sex feminists won?
The man-haters are firmly in control.
"Don't let sex distract you from the revolution..."
Which one? 'Suffregism'? 1st wave? Pro-sex? 4th wave? 8th wave? The 'teledildonic' revolution? The coming of the cat lady empire? The post-sandwich and wolf-whistle utopia?
It's all so confusing. I keep forgetting which post-history womans' movement we're on right now. I really wish your moms wouldn't have been distracted by sex so that we didn't have to listen to this almost every week, and that you could happily spend time alone with other like minded women on your island free-bleeding to make the roux for that evenings lesbian wikken coven and cocktail hour.
I know lefties like to talk about how much smarter they are compared to the rest of us unwashed, ill-mannered and simple folk but then they go and write drivel like this weak-minded, groupthink sophistry that has no basis in the real world.
So, I guess, the take-away is that expressing idiocy with fancy words is superior to expressing reality with regular words.
They really do just write for each other.
This is why prosperous civilizations eventually fall. We've become so comfortable that we begin to think we aren't animals.
Sex is hardwired into us. We are social critters with a need to bond. We benefit from holding and touching each other. We feel safer in a group.l
Denying that we are animals is denying that nature exists. No good comes from that.
"This is ALSO why wives shouldn't be allowed in combat zones"
In the old days, into the 19th century, they were indeed permitted on campaign, under various rules in various armies.
The Mexican armies in their last great wars for instance -
Adelita - Amparo Ochoa
I am becoming a fan of Amparo Ochoa. The story of "Adelita", the song, its writer and its muse, is itself a bit of romantic semi-mythology. It would make a fine movie.
Althouse: "Life goes on. And there is another generation after you."
Why do you insist upon trying to reason with the insane?
You would have just as much success reasoning with a guard in Lenin's/Stalin's gulags, or with a Maoist Red Guard, or with a Castro henchnan, or a Pol Pot inspired guard standing on the edge of a half filled mass grave.
You just dont get what these people are all about.
"Next generation"? These people are celebrating infanticide, today, right in front of you.
They are openly bragging about their coup attempts using the power of the state.
They are no longer hiding any of their intent.
You can no longer pretend you dont see what is in front of you.
Its also fun to think of the left's 'next generation' given how their full-throated support and enthusiasm for infanticide and sexual practices that are biologically incapable of reproduction makes the prospect dubious.
I always chortle a bit at this stuff, as irrelevant and ignored as it is. The more Lefties drill down the farther they get from the giant mother lode of reality.
Drago said...
Althouse: "Life goes on. And there is another generation after you."
Why do you insist upon trying to reason with the insane?
Um.
Haven’t you noticed Althouse is constantly jumping in with each hoax, and apologizing for the hoaxers after?
She is not on the side of reason.
I'm binge watching this TV show right now that is all about sex -- all sex all the time. Usually with people not their spouses.
OK, once in a while they will stop with the sex and go out and do some killing and spying or trying to catch spies. But then its back to the sex. Even when the spies are doing a scene where they are afraid of imminently being caught, their first impulse is to stick their hands down each others pants.
The show is called The Americans. It's OK, but would be better if they focused a bit more on the spying and counterespionage stuff. The sex is, frankly, boring and a distraction.
I dunno, maybe they were onto something.
Maybe women should refrain from sex until they are willing to be responsible for the reproductive decisions they make. The abortion crowd certainly doesn't.
"The more Lefties drill down the farther they get from the giant mother lode of reality."
There is a very great distance a society can get from "reality", before existence simply becomes impossible. That's the edge Venezuela is edging up on, and what Cambodia ran headlong past.
And they can get stuck on some unfortunate ledge, where improvement is impossible, as with Argentina. Whats waiting along the route of madness is not just some cataclysmic catharsis, but traps, prisons.
Demography tells us there will be more single women in the coming decades.
The study of human nature tells us that women have an endless capacity for rationalization.
Ergo: expect more female screeds against dating and sex.
Just got done that need thing for today.
We're not children any more. Sex is a choice. The first Choice. It is also mental rapture, a literal and psychological bridge between a man and a woman, which is why it should not be considered lightly.
"I really like your statement in this conclusion, that;
'Life continues to pass. And there are other generations after you.'
Very deep and gives strong meaning to everyone."
I thought she was being clever, alluding to the eventual extinction of the no-sex feminists.
It's all nagging.
LOST for generations
they don't know what they hell they want in their utopia
"Life goes on."
-- I mean, without sex, eventually, human life wouldn't.
"Why do you insist upon trying to reason with the insane?"
Chief Wiggum-itis, “Ralphie, you stay here in the car while daddy tries to talk some sense into this raving derelict.”
Between one thing and another, this is why I am leaving. And suggesting to the kids that they should leave also. Five months.
After that I will do my best not to listen.
Why does all joy and fun have to be attending meetings about the revolution? or else about feminism?
How about a mixed joy and fun society? Sometimes to the beds, sometimes to the slopes, sometimes to the barricades? Sometimes to read, sometimes to play ball, sometimes to climb El Capitan barefoot. Sometimes it's spring, sometimes the polar vortex hovers above. Sometimes to learn about William Bradford, sometimes Equiano. Sometimes to watch a movie; sometimes to participate in a nationwide delusion; sometimes to awaken from delusion.
this ain't no party, this ain't no disco,
this ain't no fooling around
i'd like to kiss you, i'd love you hold you
i ain't got no time for that now
"Maybe women should refrain from sex until they are willing to be responsible for the reproductive decisions they make."
Or men should refrain from sex until they're willing to wear prophylactics.
"People say 'ultimately' when they mean 'eventually.'"
They also say "begs the question" when they mean "raises the question." It drives me mad.
Achilles is in your alleyway/He don’t want me here, he does brag/He’s pointing to the sky/And he’s hungry, like a man in drag...
In order to have a successful revolution, you need the best efforts of men like Trotsky, Lenin, and Mao. I'm afraid the French, Russian, and Chinese revolutions would never have happened if women had taken such advice. Trotsky' wife discreetly left the premises when he had his afternoons with Frida. Lenin's wife actively encouraged the great man's affair with his mistress. It gave her more time to type up the great man's manuscripts. And, of course, Mao had a better sex life han Hugh Heffner. The women who read served these men also in a very real sense served the cause of the revolution.
buwaya said...
In the old days, into the 19th century, they were indeed permitted on campaign, under various rules in various armies.
Yes, but Very Little good comes from it. The classic line is: "his last thoughts were of you"
If his thoughts were about the battle, maybe they wouldn't have been his last thoughts
Napoleon famously took a mistress in Egypt, Pauline Foures, who had snuck along with her soon-to-be-abandoned husband, dressed as a soldier.
Marshal Massena dressed his mistress in hussar uniform and took her along in his Portuguese campaign.
Around that time, the highly creative Valerie Solana advocated celibacy
https://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/rants/scum.html
In this moment of feminist resurgence, no one is suggesting we stop having sex....
Well, quite a few are suggesting that they stop have hetero sex.
Her mother could have sex. She should have followed thru on the consequences tho. Fir The Revolution.
Has she gotten her tubes tied?
One of the earliest and most persistent Cristian heresies is the belief that the world and the flesh are evil, and were created by an evil God. Jesus was a being of pure spirit sent to save us from the world of flesh created by the God of the Old Testament.
Since the flesh is evil, sex and procreation are acts of wickedness.
I don't know if many of today's leftists know that they are mimicking an ancient Christian heresy.
When one read's such gibberish as that promulgated by "Dana Densmore" you wonder how stupid educated people really are - its all for cosmetic consumption. For example, celibate Priests and Nuns - sure they never have sex? Of course none of the Cell 16 ever had sex before, during and after their idiotic self-flagellating movement! If you believe that then you're another sucker for buying the Brooklyn Bridge. One thing you know about human beings - don't believe what they say only believe what they do.
“Between one thing and another, this is why I am leaving. And suggesting to the kids that they should leave also. Five months.”
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Maybe your kids like America a lot more than you do.
“You just dont get what these people are all about.”
I guess your non stop propaganda hasn’t worked on Althouse. She lives in Madison, WI. She knows what liberals are about.
But Althouse is moving, Inga.
“But Althouse is moving, Inga.”
Really? Did you tell her that? I think Althouse likes it where she’s at and isn’t going anywhere unless it’s just to visit.
Actually, my response didn't addressyour point tat Althouse knows the liberal mindset. Me culpa.
Althouse has mentioned in this blog that she is looking to move to a smaller house. I suppose she might say in Madison, but m wild guess is that she will move westward. Beyond Minnesota, perhaps Colorado or New Mexico or Arizona. Not California or Oregon or Washington.
Terrible misspellings. I'm typing this on a Samsung chromebook that I have converted to run Linux (GalliumOS). It was cheap and the battery time is great, > 8 hours. But the keyboard is crappy, and I have macular degeneration in one eye and a cataract in the other.
“Beyond Minnesota, perhaps Colorado or New Mexico or Arizona. Not California or Oregon or Washington.”
You don’t remember Althouse saying she doesn’t like summer heat? Nah, she’s not going to move away from Madison. She has a gorgeous house, a nice husband to help her take care of it, and is surrounded by natural beauty and cool temps.
Dana Densmore, a founding member of the separatist group Cell 16, took issue with the idea that sex was a basic human need.
"Hey Everybody! We're All Gonna Get Laid!"
“...I have macular degeneration in one eye and a cataract in the other.”
Sorry about your eyes Lewis.
Thanks, Inga. The macular degeneration and cataract aren't too bad yet (i am not yet 60 years old), I suspect the bigger problem is age related far sightedness. I can't seem to find a pair of reading glasses that works with my contact lenses.
I have zero problems with radical feminists failing to reproduce. The slogan "The future is female." Came from lesbian separatists, per the NYT. It should say that "the near future is female for some of us who will then die out."
Evolution is a long game.
That's why I joined Cell 17.
Inga has appropriated the idea of America to define a place where people are not free. Not free to speak their minds or free to follow any unapproved dreams.
How predictable that Althouse is subtly for celibacy. Good sex is anti-haughty.
Moving. It's hard to move. Especially if you like where you are, or if you have family in the area.
RE: blogposts today. It appears that a theme is living without sex, romance or a solid relationships. But isn't the theme really about creating or choosing to not build a family?
Some people want to live a monastic life. They might be more productive at times. That person may write more songs or books. But for many, that solitary life leaves out what many do not want to live without: family.
'In “How to Date Men When You Hate Men,” Blythe Roberson’s hilarious new book about that classic straight woman’s paradox of wanting to smooch her systemic oppressor, there’s a description of a situation familiar to many of us: The author likes a guy, but she can’t tell if he likes her back.'
It does sound hilarious.
"Don’t Let Sex Distract You From the Revolution".
Don't they have that backwards?
"I joined Cell 16 to meet girls."
"You do realize they take issue with the idea tat sex is a basic human need?"
"I was misinformed."
Ambrose wins the thread by introducing a Casablanca reference!
@Buwaya - You are leaving!!! But where will you go? This is an enormously interesting question. I am having morning coffee at a cafe on the Mekong, listening to occasional propaganda broadcasts from the Laotian side. Politics is easier if all you hear is “blah, blah, blah” and instinctively avoid angry mobs.
We are going to Spain. I will probably bounce around to Manila and the US, for family.
@Buwaya - do you expect it to be safer there?
Safer? What is safe?
Less annoying, no question. Its a little place with small problems and the people do not hate each other. Their greatest living writer (or most popular anyway) is a conservative, certainly by modern American standards. Their universities are left but not SJW. As they have always been. They are split into jealous ethnic groups (as always) that provide a very substantial layer of "mediating institutions" that the US doesn't have anymore.
I really am tired of you, in any case. I want to be able to speak to any anonymous person on the street or in a bar or a social function, as Spaniards do, without worrying about how that may affect the careers of my children.
Ann Althouse said...
Achilles is in your alleyway/He don’t want me here, he does brag/He’s pointing to the sky/And he’s hungry, like a man in drag...
You don’t mind when people make up obvious lies about us and call us racist. You just want to forget about it all.
But when someone points out what you do you get all huffy.
Christine Blasey Ford is credible.
We shouldn’t judge Nathan Phillips.
The best thing is to just forget about Smollett.
Yeah you are a real paragon of bravery. Your bubble is thicker than that governor’s gut. But you are one of the beautiful people and your condescension towards us is clear.
You trained this generation of socialist shitheads that are tearing this country apart.
Ann cannot deal with truth.
@kirk parker - you are too kind. You can learn a lot from Casablanca.
Maybe women should refrain from sex until they are willing to be responsible for the reproductive decisions they make."
Cook: "Or men should refrain from sex until they're willing to wear prophylactics."
But men already do that. And when condoms fail, tbey are held responsible. They are expected to care for a child they didn't want. If they refuse, they are stigmatized by society as "deadbeat dads", they are jailed even if they don't have the means to support the child.
Men are responsible for tbe reproductive choices they make.
Women are not.
Women know that intercourse carries a risk of impregnation, yet tbey CHOOSE to accept that risk.
Women also know that birth control is not 100% effective, yet they CHOOSE to take that risk too.
And when women CHOOSE to gamble the odds and lose, they whine about being denied the freedom to CHOOSE. Except now another life is on the table.
Worse, to compound the hypocrisy, women whine about being denied the right to choose what to do with their bodies while simultaneously denying the right of someone else to choose what happens to theirs.
Women need to take responsibility for the reproductive choices they make, just iike men do.
@Buwaya - I meant safe as in “less likely to experience civil unrest”. I don’t blame you for being tired of us. Unless by “you” you meant me personally. I have disagreeable qualities, as my ex-wives would readily attest, but I have caused no one I know of to flee the country. In any case, I am pretty much gone already myself. I have a position in Eastern Europe, where I speak freely, and am exploring Southeast Asia. Free speech, to the extent we had it, is gone in the USA. Offense is easy to give and comes with great potential consequence as you observe. I wish you well
None of this was or is about sex.
It is Maoist (specifically inspired by Mao) re-education tactics to be imposed on other people.
Think of it more as a surveillance camera than dating advice.
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