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December 15, 2018
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So, so clever. /sarc.
Obviously staged.
While I have never seen the competing Wall models, don’t you think the engineers took ladders into account? Engineers aren’t morons.
If you beleive that this is a Trump supporter, I have a bridge to sell you. It is a really nice bridge and you can even put tolls on it if you like. Send 20 million dollars in small denominations, non-sequential serial numbers and only used bills. No return address needed.
Probably the same folks who are today taking "adulting" classes because no one taught them how to deal with the real world.
might need a pretty long lay-dar
I felt so... I don't know.
Then I watched the second clip and felt remasculated.
I think a better solution would be moats with sharks with frikking lazers on their heads. If not enough sharks avaialble, then giant carp bred to be really bad tempered..
Of course. All Trump supporters are dopes. Like Trump. If they weren't, Never Trumpers and Dems wouldn't be smarter. It's a necessity.
Why do lefties live in gated communities if ladders are so impossible to keep away from walls?
It is funny. I laughed, anyway.
But for those that don't know, to see why the wall is actually a significant barrier, you need only look at the first 10 seconds of this video: CBS: caravan at the border
The other and greater part of the barrier is that there are border guards and they have plenty of time to see that there are people trying to cross it and to arrest them if they actually cross over.
The purpose of the wall is really to delay people long enough for border guards to reach the spot.
I totally get this, so true and reveals the fundamental ignorance of Trump and his supporters. I mean, he actually said that the forest fires in California, like the one that consumed Paradise, could be prevented by using rakes to clean the forest floor! Dude, wtf is a 'rake'?!? Does it look like one of these 'ladders'?
Of course the corollary of all this is that it does anticipate what the left might do when and if it regains the presidency:
Border guards that don't patrol the border!
That wall in Israel seems to work well with the other precautions (tunneling sensors.)
You should check out the rakes they use to clean the national forest floors around the cities in Central Oregon e.g. Sisters, OR. They work.
So women and children can carry a 30-foot ladder a hundred miles across the desert? Wow!
The first video is hysterical -- they nailed the typical Trump supporter perfectly -- and totally SNL-worthy!
My favorite part of the Hunchback story was when Quasimodo poured molten lead onto the invaders. A similar scene could play out along these lines: link
When the woman with the 3-year old in diapers gets to the top of the 30-foot wall, does she pull up the ladder and ease it down the other side? If so, how do her 5 and 7 year olds get over the wall?
The guy that played the Trumpster called to mind Tom Hanks as a Trumpster in this great "SNL" skit.
Easy peasy - the liberal politicos from Seattle will be waiting on the other side with the down ladder..
By using the actor, they avoid uncomfortable counterarguments.
The same people who have no problem believing that a trace gas can trap heat well enough to destroy the planet cannot believe that a wall would slow down illegal immigration.
A Lay Dare is what Dylan in the first few measures of Lay, Lady, Lay.
Before seeing this, I thought that a wall would be 100% effective against all comers, now it sort of looks like the best we can hope for is to discourage people from dragging along small children.
I'm telling you, wall with moat, sharks (or really bad tempered giant carp) with lasers. Let'em bring a ladder.
Ladders are what defeated Israel's wall. Israel spent billions of dollars on a wall. Didn't work. Illegal immigration surged in Israel after they built a wall. Caravans of migrants poured over simply by climbing ladders.
Oops. Politifact gave me a bottomless pinocchio:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/
It's almost as if we created a market for trafficked children to be used to circumvent US immigration laws... Naah!
The scary thing is that the people who made that video think they are clever. You know what made walls obsolete so far as defending a fixed position? Artillery. No barrier is impenetrable, unless it is manned. Never mind Israel's wall. What about prisons? They have walls. Gated communities, as someone else pointed out? Speaking as someone who actually has expertise in actual security, physical barriers such as walls and fencing is required to secure facilities.
https://nvd.nist.gov/800-53/Rev4/control/PE-3
Physical Controls
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Physical Security (Facility or Infrastructure Protection)
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Locks, Doors, Walls, Fence, Curtain, etc.
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Service Providers: FSO, Security Guards, Dogs
http://opensecuritytraining.info/CISSP-6-PS_files/6-Physical_Security.pdf
People, like me, are getting masters degrees regarding security that references physical security controls that include, guess what, walls.
Why no wall between the US and Canada?
Chance,
Your racism against the Canadian Iceback horde is noted.
So I keep thinking about what a wall actually accomplishes, and the reference wall, the wall we have seen if we've never thought about border barriers before, is the wall at Tijuana, Mexico.
And that is a pre-exiting wall. It has been there for decades. It's not much of a barrier really. It's thirteen or so feet high. And it's designed so a single person can walk up the sides while using their hands as braces and letting their weight fall back. No ladder is needed. Then once you get to the top there is a flat bar wide enough to stand upon and rest, before going down the other side the same way.
This is almost a symbolic barrier.
If a whole mass of people were to try to cross it at the same time there is almost nothing a normal number of border guards could do to prevent them.
Surely something like that is what would have happened when the first caravan arrived, except that the Trump administration had added razor wire in anticipation and suddenly it wasn't so easy.
What would a real wall look like? What would a relatively inexpensive wall, that would stretch for 2,000 miles, and cost less than several billion dollars and yet be a real obstacle look like?
I don't think it would not look like the Tijuana wall.
I assume none of these walls are actually at the border. Instead both sides are on American territory. Wouldn't it make more sense for the border patrol to just turn people away towards the Mexican border rather than arresting them?
I mean why are we doing this? It's extremely expensive to arrest people.
How about a virtual wall, made up of armed drones that are authorized to shoot anything that attempts to cross the border, and that call the border patrol to report each incident? We could call it 'Skynet:The Early Years'
/ sarc (but only a little)
Have you ever climbed a 30 foot ladder? and then, while 30 feet up, maneuvered onto another ladder and then climbed down a 30 foot ladder? in the dark? Easy? OK, set up a thirty foot ladder in the middle of SF and invite Hillary and Bill to climb it. Solidarity with our Mexican sisters. In the dark.
The death of the 7 year old immigrant girl has become banner headlines after she suffered from symptoms of dehydration. This was a result of traveling over 2,000 miles from their home in Guatemala.
Directly following the family being taken into US border custody she fell gravely ill. The girl was immediately taken to emergency care, then airlifted to a hospital where she later succumbed to her symptoms.
Maybe she would still be alive if a wall had discouraged her father from dragging her across the desert. She was AIRLIFTED to medical care as soon as she came into US custody, but who was responsible for her as she crossed the desert?
wildswan is right too about climbing a thirty foot ladder. It's not for the faint of heart.
Ladders and tunnels work in much the same way that walls work. If walls don't work, why do you live in a gated community? Why did we celebrate the Berlin Wall coming down? Why did the ancient Chinese build a thousands of miles of wall over centuries without the use of modern equipment? Why does Israel depend on a wall?
A wall doesn't have to be 100% effective, it only has to be 90% effective, other border security forces can account for the 10% failure.
Why no wall between the US and Canada?
How many hundreds of thousands of illegals pour south?
The theef that done steel my mas steel ladder - he nose he did it - belongs in jail for 20 years. One year for every rung he did dare rob from ma. Mas lungs and rungs bout run out from her 50 years of smokin Pall Malls (member those?). He dont care who he hurts. You better no dang well we shoot hoarse theefs on the spot. A bad smokes habit is no excuse at all. You git NO beer in jail. Member dat the next time you fittin to steel from ma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pall_Mall_(cigarette)
this 'open borders' thing has everyone climbing the walls
This is the Hipster Douche Power of Persuasion. Looks like Hillary 2020 Communications Director fer sure. Prolly can walk to her Brooklyn headquarters.
This is the type of sophomoric stupidity that highlights what insulated asswipes and bigots Democrat party members are.
Maybe you could do a thing where a liberal gun control zealot is astonished to learn that there are things called "knives."
Jakelin Caal Maquin jumped up and down when her father told her they´re leaving their impoverished Guatemalan village for the United States. (SnipJakelin´s father decided to leave because he was frustrated of living in extreme poverty. "He wanted to work, because he said he could make a better living there," Caal said. Speaking on behalf of Jakelin´s mother, who only speaks a Mayan dialect, Caal said she hopes her husband stays in the US to work. . - CNN
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I am hyeah to tell you that I am a naverage Trump supporter and I sho nuff seen one of them thar lay-dar things before.
Also, I didn't like Forrest Gump the first time and I don't like it any better now.
how about an electric wall (or, as we call them; electric fence)
I bet it wouldn't take too many people (5?) touching it before NO ONE would touch the fence
seem to work pretty good with cows.
This was a funny tape.
Not as funny as watching actual news footage of Occasional Cortex lecture us deplorables on the three houses of congress. (real news footage, not a SNL skit.)
That Scots-Irish fool Andrew Jackson fought the Battle of New Orleans against the best equipped and trained Army in the world climbing up ladders to kill his men at the top of a embankment. Final count an hour later was 5,000 dead British and 5 dead Jacksonian men and the entire British force in a miserable retreat. Hmmm.
The smug Clinton supporter.
The smug clinton supporter don't care about your dead children crossing the desert.
The smug clinton supporter don't care about your crap socialist nation runs by heartless leftists who will do anything to exploit the poor.
For 27 years Athens (a naval power) fought Sparta (which fielded the invincible army of the day) in the history-changing Peloponnesian War. Unfortunately, unlike the U.S. vis-à-vis the Soviet Union, Athens is located on the very same geographic landmass (Greece) as Sparta, meaning the Spartans could just march right over — and thus Athens lay helpless against Sparta's army, right? Indeed, Sparta invaded Attica (the ancient city-state of which Athens-the-city was capital), destroying its crops and ravaging at will, year after year — yet Athens grimly fought on, every invasion withdrawing its people behind the Long Walls connecting the capital to its principal port, Piraeus.
Yet, ladders had certainly been invented by then. How was this possible?!
Historically, Athens only lost that war — after more than a quarter-century of bitter fighting — when Sparta managed to defeat its navy.
I was none too happy to climb my 24 foot ladder to get leaves out of the gutters.
And I had a spotter and a solid foundation and the ladder was new.
Plus, the 30 foot fall to the American side, with concertina wire beneath, would be adventurous.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939), an all-time great movie. Hollywood studio filmmaking at its finest.
Yes there was a plague a suspension of liberty involved then, Socrates protested that regime but not for the reasons you think.
It's just a line 2000 miles long and the goal is to discourage people from crossing over it without spending too much money and without hurting them. Since the goal is to stay low-cost, then we should never arrest people unless we are absolutely forced to.
The key here is knowing what's going on at the wall line. The walls should carry sensors -- infrared, motion, whatever -- that are relatively inexpensive, and much of this is all well known technology. I mean we use this kind of things for their homes already. And of course there should be cameras along the wall.
And there should be border posts spaced along the wall so that every spot can be reached by car in a reasonable amount of time. If someone approaches the wall the sensors notify the post that something is happening there and they can see what is happening. They can also take photographs.
If it looks like someone is trying to break through then the border post sends out guards. And the border post will also have control of devices built in to the wall that emit say tear gas or other irritants. I don't know exactly but I'll bet there are quite a few substances that can be emitted and that are unpleasant and that will discourage most people.
When you consider the average cost of each illegal alien to the United States, an active border like this would probably pay for itself really quickly. Not that this is about money.
What this is really about is saying that we value ourselves and our children and grandchildren and we don't want to be replaced and destroyed.
Meade's link is interesting. The rating is out of sync with the finding. The finding is true: the data supports the claim. They say that explicitly, the data supports the claim. They don’t like it so they fudge the rating. But it’s true.
When Dems get presidential power again, active enforcement will be much reduced. That's why we need the passive enforcement of the wall. It won't be perfect. Nothing is. But it will make a big difference.
stevew said 12/15/18, 5:32 PM...
I totally get this, so true and reveals the fundamental ignorance of Trump and his supporters. I mean, he actually said that the forest fires in California, like the one that consumed Paradise, could be prevented by using rakes to clean the forest floor! Dude, wtf is a 'rake'?!?
Well, maybe you think you 'get' this video clip but you DON'T get Trump's reference to raking the forests.
Our small-minded friend stevew here obviously cannot wrap his mind around the concept that there may be other kinds of rakes than the kind you buy at Home Depot. Believe it or not, there is equipment out there that attaches to bulldozers and other heavy equipment that "rakes" the forest floor and does not leave brush and logs that could ignite and spread into uncontrollable wildfires. I know because I've seen such operations here in Oregon. As Casey Stengel used to say: "you could look it up"... but I suspect stevew won't because he'd rather continuing dwelling in ignorance.
Just one example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCY4y_15l8
dwick... Hunting clear cuts in my home state, I was impressed with how the brush was collected after the cutting was done. Some of this equipment awareness originates in the sandbox.
Michael Fitzgerald said...The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939), an all-time great movie. Hollywood studio filmmaking at its finest.
Agree! Here's the best scene: spoiler alert
That's why it's being designed with battlements for archers.
This would be a lot funnier if we didn’t have to check the list of ‘who we are, and are not, allowed to mock’ (check back daily, folks!)
If walls don’t work, why the fuss?
This video from the side whose children eat Tide pods.
The hunchback of 1939 was a great film among many of the great films of that year:
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&hl=en-us&ei=VkwWXJFtnsaOBPaTgBA&q=list+of+films+of+1939&oq=list+of+films+of+1939&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3..0i7i30l2.8238.12617..13753...0.0..0.281.1490.0j5j3......0....1.........0i71j35i304i39j0i8i7i30j0i8i30j33i10.bQumSseDGWM#wgvs=e
"The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939), an all-time great movie. Hollywood studio filmmaking at its finest."
True, but it's the Anthony Quinn version that was on TV when I was growing up and that made a big impression on me. That ladder image has been in my mind for almost 60 years!
In Chicago lots of businesses have walls where broken glass is imbedded in the concrete. I always wondered if they would be sued to death if a thief got cut. But too much money has been spent on these walls and concertina for them not to work. The Chicago FBI building also has a fence, yet ladders exist.
From that Politifact piece linked above:
The report notes that the number of people illegally crossing the Israel-Egypt border was more than 16,000 in 2011 and less than 20 in 2016, a 99 percent decrease.
I guess there are no ladders in Egypt. Either that or walls are effective.
My husband had a college job weeding the National Forest... He hated that job.
He had another job climbing 200-foot-tall "superior white firs" to bag their pinecones so that the seeds could be harvested for reforestation. To hear him describe the climbing process is absolutely terrifying (even though he plays it for laughs). Ten-foot sections of aluminum ladder that you climb with no restraint but a flip-rope (you can't use spikes on your boots because the whole point here is not to damage the tree), and when you reach the top of each section you chain it off to the tree and haul up another section by rope. But these big trees, you know, they don't just grow straight up until the crown starts; there are stubs of old branches all along. So on your belt you have a saw and a baseball bat, and when your flip-rope gets hung up on something, you lean way around and try to bat or saw it off.
OK, so you finally get to the first circle of live branches, I don't know, seventy feet up? Now you are no longer able to use your flip-rope or ladders. So you unclip your rope and do a pull-up onto the first branch. Then you free-climb into the crown, bagging pinecones as you go, until the trunk is as big around as your wrist, at which point you can stop because it might not be strong enough to support you beyond that height (the crown is swaying mightily here). Then you basically fall out of the tree on a rope secured with something he called a monkey knot, that LOOSENS when you grip it hard and TIGHTENS when you let go, making the way down awfully exciting.
Ladders and heights. [shudder]
Currently, it takes a family of twenty...or a truck thirty seconds to cross a border with nothing in the way. You can load a lot of people in the back of a truck.
However, I have not yet seen a truck which can climb a ladder. Maybe they can take a video showing that.
And I just watched a video of professional climb a 35' ladder. It took him 30 seconds.
So with the wall, we have gone from 20 people at a time...to 1 person at a time. That is a 95% savings. AND we only get those brave enough and fit enough to actually able to cross the desert with a load on his back AND climb a ladder.
See, if we can't stop illegal immigration, at least we can cut back on the welfare cases getting here. No more abuelas and small kids sucking on the welfare teat. No, you are giving us your economic labor, bitches!
So is this that 'nuance' that liberals keep espousing that they have in great measure?
If Democrats would stop telling lies about Republicans, we'd stop telling the truth about them.
On Mt. Everest ladders are placed across crevasses in order to continue the ascent. Imagine walking across a shaky aluminum slippery ladder while wearing bulky gear and iced up crampons on cumbersome boots.
Acrophobia is incompatible with this adventure.
Criminal activity over the border often involves people who live in Mexico and who are not trying to become residents of America---they drive back and forth over the border at night, ferrying gun, drugs, people etc. The inability of a vehicle of any type to drive over a wall stops a lot of undesirable activity, not just wannabe new immigrants.
In the Civil War defenders built Abatis lines of sharpened logs. These could be chopped up or pulled aside by attackers but, they gave the defenders another 30 minutes or so to reinforce the focus of the assault, exposed by the engineer activity. This often lead to repulse. Walls increase the probability that subjects will not cross. ("No Man Shall Pass" Monty Python.)
Re the scene from the movie, I thought you were going to suggest that Trump pour molten lead down on people trying to scale The Wall.
The movie, by the way, is worth seeing, if only because (SPOILER ALERT*) it is one of the few movie versions--perhaps the only movie version that I am aware of--that shows Quasimodo's attempt to defend Esmeralda ultimately proving futile.
*Not a Spoiler at all to those of you who read books.
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