Althouse: "There was a new society..."

December 16, 2018

"There was a new society..."

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Darrell said...: Who the hell wants to see Ritmo's life story--especially the part where he joins the Left?; 12/16/18, 1:09 PM
rehajm said...: If dreams are a window to the soul your soul is fucked up.; 12/16/18, 1:10 PM
wild chicken said...: I love Roz Chast! New follow...; 12/16/18, 1:11 PM
Trumpit said...: What gets to me is the fact no one remembers anyone from 100 years ago. Oblivion is real, unavoidable, and undeniable.; 12/16/18, 1:16 PM
gilbar said...: i remember US Grant, WT Sherman is a closer personal friend of mine. Learn to read, learn to write; 12/16/18, 1:30 PM
wild chicken said...: So ... Which is supposed to be which, I wonder.; 12/16/18, 1:37 PM
wild chicken said...: ...whuch side, that is...; 12/16/18, 1:38 PM
Heartless Aztec said...: Non-sensical. But that's just me. Others will differ.; 12/16/18, 1:50 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: they vote for it, then complain about it; 12/16/18, 2:00 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: is the future female, in your dreams?; 12/16/18, 2:04 PM
n.n said...: Life is full of anthropogenic dichotomies. The concepts of worthy and unworthy, respectable and deplorable, merit and privilege, and political congruence, have a storied history, present, and, unfortunately, future.; 12/16/18, 2:08 PM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: Plucked from another thread:

RHHarden said...

As long as it's called insurance for pre-existing conditions everybody will be talking moron.

fitz!; 12/16/18, 2:20 PM
mandrewa said...: Deplorables = Desirables

See https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq_Y3rPHnzs/

It's curious but despite her being very creative, and in that way being an extreme individual, still with her political mind she may be a "collective thinker."

There isn't enough information here for me to judge actually whether she is politically a "collective thinker." I'm just speculating that she might be. Collective thinking isn't about what your opinions are, but rather about how you arrive at them.; 12/16/18, 2:20 PM
Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...: Ahhh. Dreams of being victimized by genocide. Where would the right-wing be without its wonderful murderous paranoias!

Anyway, not sure that nice and dumb go together all that necessarily. It seems that Trump and his team of sycophants are doing quite a job putting cruel/evil and dumb together these days.; 12/16/18, 2:45 PM
James K said...: Life is full of anthropogenic dichotomies.

Or people who insist on seeing them. I believe the term is Manichean, or Manichaeism. The belief that everything can be neatly sorted into good and evil. Naturally its adherents tend to put themselves in the first category.; 12/16/18, 2:58 PM
tim in vermont said...: The weird thing is that I don't think that Trump supporters hate NYC. It's just that Trump haters assume that we do. NYC produced Trump. It can't be all bad.; 12/16/18, 3:14 PM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...: mandrewa said...

It's curious but despite her being very creative, and in that way being an extreme individual, still with her political mind she may be a "collective thinker."

Not so sure there's actually any thinking going on there. Beyond "what's my next cartoon?", that is.; 12/16/18, 3:32 PM
traditionalguy said...: The story of the unwanted foetus. Have a nice death.; 12/16/18, 3:41 PM
chuck said...: And then she went to work for the New Yorker.; 12/16/18, 4:05 PM
n.n said...: The story of the unwanted foetus.

Tomb of the unknown baby... offspring... early human life... fetus, as a term of art, if she's unwanted (Choice), or recycled (Planned) for profit. The tell-tale hearts beat ever louder.; 12/16/18, 4:12 PM
chuck said...: The style reminds me of Lynda Barry.; 12/16/18, 4:26 PM
Big Mike said...: NYC produced Trump. It can't be all bad.

I've been there a few times. Yes, it is all that bad.; 12/16/18, 4:27 PM
tim in vermont said...: I like NYC.; 12/16/18, 4:32 PM
tim in vermont said...: I hope that I don't get doxxed, being as that I am in Boston.; 12/16/18, 4:38 PM
narciso said...: well there was the time homer was chased by the chud, point being Hillary took that demographic whole,; 12/16/18, 4:40 PM
Lewis Wetzel said...: The point, I suppose is that the lady started as one of "those who were going to be destroyed", and joined the "desirables" simply to survive. That was all that was offered to her, and all that she required.; 12/16/18, 4:42 PM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: "The style reminds me of Lynda Barry."

It's a complete ripoff of Lynda Barry. And it's even worse -- Divergent meets Mean Girls meets Idiocracy, only more idiotic.; 12/16/18, 4:48 PM
Ann Althouse said...: "It's a complete ripoff of Lynda Barry."

Roz Chast has been in The New Yorker since the 70s.

Lynda Barry got started in the 80s.; 12/16/18, 5:02 PM
Clyde said...: Trumpit said...
What gets to me is the fact no one remembers anyone from 100 years ago. Oblivion is real, unavoidable, and undeniable.

This is really weird. Today at work, I witnessed one of my fellow employees berating another fellow employee for something he had or hadn't done, and I pondered this exact subject.

I thought, "There is nothing that we are doing that is life and death. A hundred years from now, we and everyone we know will all be dead, and none of this the things that we think are so important now will matter at all to the people who follow us. We will be a line or two on someone's genealogy chart, a few old family pictures, and other than that, we will be forgotten."

Only the most famous and the most infamous are remembered a century later, and most of the things that are remembered about them are probably wrong. Farther and farther back, it's even less. Pop quiz: Name someone who was famous in the 1820s. Unless you are a history major, you probably can't. All of the movers and shakers of their times, now mostly forgotten except in the minds of trivia masters. Sic transit gloria mundi.; 12/16/18, 5:03 PM
Sebastian said...: "Name someone who was famous in the 1820s."

John Quincy Adams? Andrew Jackson?; 12/16/18, 5:24 PM
Sebastian said...: You can tell it's a "dream" society since it only includes the desirables and the people to be destroyed, leaving out the third group involved in creating such dream societies in reality: the people with the power to make the distinction.; 12/16/18, 5:29 PM
narciso said...: Robert fulton, Congreve, the rocket guy.; 12/16/18, 5:30 PM
Greg Hlatky said...: Name someone who was famous in the 1820s

Duke of Wellington. Lord Byron. Ludwig van Beethoven.; 12/16/18, 5:30 PM
gilbar said...: Trumpit said...

Way up on Clinch Mountain I wander alone
I'm as drunk as the devil, oh, let me alone
You may boast of your knowledge an' brag of your sense
'Twill all be forgotten a hundred years hence
Rye whiskey, rye whiskey, rye whiskey I cry
If a tree don't fall on me, I'll live till I die; 12/16/18, 5:37 PM
pacwest said...: "Pop quiz: Name someone who was famous in the 1820s. Unless you are a history major, you probably can't."

Our educational system is truly defunct. This is grade school stuff. It makes me sad to think about it.; 12/16/18, 5:59 PM
Clyde said...: Good job, Althouse commentariat. Now try the 1420s.; 12/16/18, 6:33 PM
wildswan said...: Blogger nnが言った...
生命は人為的二分法でいっぱいです。価値ある、価値のない、価値ある、嘆かわしい、メリットと特権、そして政治的合同という概念は、歴史的な歴史があり、残念ながら未来のものです。

To which I say
I just saw Logan's Run which was to true to be good.; 12/16/18, 6:35 PM
wildswan said...: I just feel like doing that. Maybe I should be up on the Chaos Post.; 12/16/18, 6:37 PM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: I was thrown off by the youthful b&w photo. It must be from the seventies.; 12/16/18, 6:50 PM
tim in vermont said...: Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting. - Wikipedia

Victim blaming: The victim of someone else's actions or bad luck may be offered criticism, the theory being that the victim may be at fault for having attracted the other person's hostility.[22]. - Wikipedia

A bully may project his/her own feelings of vulnerability onto the target(s) of the bullying activity. Despite the fact that a bully's typically denigrating activities are aimed at the bully's targets, the true source of such negativity is ultimately almost always found in the bully's own sense of personal insecurity or vulnerability.[24] Such aggressive projections of displaced negative emotions can occur anywhere from the micro-level of interpersonal relationships, all the way up through to the macro-level of international politics, or even international armed conflict.[19] - Wikipedia

When a person has uncomfortable thoughts or feelings, they may project these onto other people, assigning the thoughts or feelings that they need to repress to a convenient alternative target.

Projection may also happen to obliterate attributes of other people with which we are uncomfortable. We assume that they are like us, and in doing so we allow ourselves to ignore those attributes they have with which we are uncomfortable.

Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.
Complementary projection is assuming that others do, think and feel in the same way as you.
Complimentary projection is assuming that others can do things as well as you.
Projection also appears where we see our own traits in other people, as in the false consensus effect. Thus we see our friends as being more like us than they really are.

Seems like a lot of people have been studying our PPT!; 12/16/18, 6:51 PM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: Julius Caesar was famous in the 1820s. He was no longer alive, but his fame lived on.; 12/16/18, 6:52 PM
chuck said...: > "Pop quiz: Name someone who was famous in the 1820s. Unless you are a history major, you probably can't."

Gauss, Beethoven, Goethe, Wellington, Andrew Jackson, Metternich, Shelley, Wordsworth, Byron, William Blake, Heine, Cauchy, Laplace, Legendre... A bunch of the poets and several others didn't make it to 1830.; 12/16/18, 7:09 PM
Big Mike said...: Pop quiz: Name someone who was famous in the 1820s.

In 1820 Mad King George (III) died and the Prince Regency became George IV. Does that count? Napoleon was still alive, barely, and his opponent at Waterloo, Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington, would live for another three decades.

No, I neither majored nor minored in History. And I graduated 50 years ago last spring, so it’s not like I took World History recently.; 12/16/18, 7:22 PM
CWJ said...: 1420's? I'm going with Lorenzo the magnificent of Milan and any number of early Renaisance painters. Perhaps Lippi or Rafael. Dante? I'm more certain of who wasn't famous in the 1420's.; 12/16/18, 8:21 PM
CWJ said...: Was the Ming Dynasty the early 1400's?; 12/16/18, 8:22 PM
CWJ said...: Vasco De Gama?; 12/16/18, 8:23 PM
Kevin said...: The printing press wasn’t even invented yet in the 1420s, and almost everyone was illiterate anyway. So the concept of popularity or fame seems really difficult to apply, at least in any context we’d relate to.

I bet the only people “everybody” knew of was Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Maybe the king, or Pope, or Holy Roman Emperor. Maybe Thomas a Kempis among the educated folk, the Imitation of Christ was written around then and was a sensation, or at least as much of a sensation as it could be without a printing press yet.; 12/16/18, 10:48 PM
Oso Negro said...: @Big Mike - And lucky you are! Had you taken history recently, you would know none of that! You would be awesomely informed on victims, however.; 12/17/18, 2:47 AM
Lewis Wetzel said...: Blogger Trumpit said...

What gets to me is the fact no one remembers anyone from 100 years ago. Oblivion is real, unavoidable, and undeniable.
The shortest Marcus Aurelius:
One day you will be dead and forgotten, no matter your wealth, or fame, obscurity, or infamy, and all the people you liked or loved or hated, will be dead and forgotten along with you.
This is okay because it is the nature of the universe that nothing lasts forever.
Your duty, therefore, as a reasoning being and a social animal, is to use your power of reason and your freedom of choice to act virtuously. This is why you were created, it is your purpose. In all the world, only human beings have this as their purpose.; 12/17/18, 4:03 AM
Phil 314 said...: “Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called “

Phil. 3:14; 12/17/18, 6:17 AM
Brian McKim and/or Traci Skene said...: The sweetest words in the English language: "Feel free to ignore."

Never felt freer in all my life.

(Embarrassed that I went along with the Roz Chast Is A Precious National Resource thing way back when. Am making up for it every day of my life.); 12/17/18, 12:00 PM
Bilwick said...: Name someone who was famous in the 1820s? I'm a Child of the 1950s, so that's easy: Davy Crockett. (And yes, I know he preferred "David.") In the following decade he gained immortality at the Alamo. Also famous in the 1820s, fellow Alamo defender James Bowie, and his fellow Tennessean Sam Houston.; 12/17/18, 5:31 PM
Bilwick said...: "Embarrassed that I went along with the Roz Chast Is A Precious National Resource thing way back when. Am making up for it every day of my life."

What turned you against her? I discovered her work relatively recently, and the more I see of it the more I like it.; 12/17/18, 5:33 PM