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December 12, 2018

At the Wednesday Café...

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57 comments:

Big Mike said...: I see that Trudeau has signed into a pledge of open borders. I wonder what would happen if the US loaded the people from the Caravan onto air conditioned buses and drove them up to the 49th parellel?; 12/12/18, 7:56 PM
Matt Sablan said...: Big Mike: If I recall, Canada asked us to close the gateway to Canada in New York, I think, that we were leaving open for immigrants to go to Canada illegally. So. They probably wouldn't like it.; 12/12/18, 7:59 PM
cronus titan said...: I read the pleadings in the Flynn case. The government's sentencing memo paints Flynn as cooperative and helpful but never says what the lie is, just a vague reference to a conversation with the Russian ambassador. The Flynn memo, however, paints a picture of out of control FBI and DoJ. It was an obvious perjury trap (there was nothing to ask since they had wiretapped Flynn), and McCabe (who comes across as a real dirtball) lulled him into a false sense of security by telling Flynn a lawyer was not necessary, decided that Flynn would not be told it was an official interrogation, and the FBI agents would pretend that they were allies of Flynn in counter-terrorism. The conversation was not memorialized until August 2017, 8 months after the interview a 4 months after Mueller's appointment. The government does not contest any of this. Judging from the pleadings, the government is kind of proud they pulled this off. It is hard to imagine more unethical and immoral behavior.

The good news is the judge ordered the government to produce the documents, including any drafts, meaning the judge has concerns too. Here's to hoping the judge orders ahearing to get ot the bottom of these shenanigans; 12/12/18, 8:03 PM
Original Mike said...: "Here's to hoping the judge orders ahearing to get ot the bottom of these shenanigans"

Well, no use having Comey testify. He knew nothing, and what he did know he forgot.; 12/12/18, 8:08 PM
gilbar said...: separate but unequal?

Colored students at American University say that they're too stupid to be able to compete with non colored students; and that they need their own segregated space that would ban non colored students (and their brains), so that particularly stupid colored students wouldn't be reminded that The ONLY REASON they were allowed on campus, was to fill arbitrary quotas

currently colored students can go to their....
Hub for Organizing Multiculturalism and Equity, or HOME has been marketed to students of all backgrounds rather than to students of color.

“HOME doesn’t provide people with a sense of security, with a sense of belonging, when everyone from all types of affinity groups can be there,” said senior Othniel Malcolm Andrew Harris

many students and administrators have pointed to Georgetown University’s Black House as a model.
Black House, along with Casa Latina, are physical houses and living learning communities where residents participate in an application process and interview to be selected, according to Vanice Antrum, the program coordinator for the Center for Multicultural Equity & Access at Georgetown University.; 12/12/18, 8:12 PM
MadisonMan said...: I wasted too much time listening to YT videos of "Do teenagers today recognize 80s music" I simultaneously amazed and outraged. (Example); 12/12/18, 8:18 PM
Shouting Thomas said...: A little addition to Althouse's discussion today of Christianity.

I pay taxes to support the indoctrination of my kids and grandkids in Althouse's gay worship and Marxist feminist religion. My kids and grandkids get indoctrinated every step of the way, from grade school thru grad school.

Althouse's gay worship and Marxist feminist religion is the state religion. The corporate dogma, too.

Oddly, she sees herself fighting an uphill battle for recognition.; 12/12/18, 8:26 PM
Original Mike said...: Blogger MadisonMan said..."I wasted too much time listening to YT videos of "Do teenagers today recognize 80s music" I simultaneously amazed and outraged. (Example)"

I got two correct.; 12/12/18, 8:30 PM
Big Mike said...: Here's to hoping the judge orders ahearing to get ot the bottom of these shenanigans.

The judge has surely been bribed or threatened or both.; 12/12/18, 8:31 PM
Humperdink said...: ST, How many axes are left in the tool shed yet to grind? Asking for a friend. He sells abrasive wheels.; 12/12/18, 8:33 PM
Big Mike said...: @Matthew Sablan, they wouldn’t like it? Oh, dear, dear, DEAR!; 12/12/18, 8:34 PM
rcocean said...: You don't understand the way it works. Undesirable aliens come into Canada and then move to the USA.

Trudeau is fine with that.

But undesirables coming from USA to Canada. That's just plain wrong.; 12/12/18, 8:35 PM
rcocean said...: Trudeau is a complete embarrassment.

But Canadians disagree.

Its sorta like Al Franken. People thought he was a clown but not Minnesota - they loved him.

The "Ice people" seem to have weird ideas about what's a good leader. Like Massachusetts. Imagine electing Ted Kennedy and John Kerry as your Senators year after year.; 12/12/18, 8:38 PM
Mark said...: Here's to hoping the judge orders ahearing to get ot the bottom of these shenanigans

Here's hoping the judge vacates his finding of guilt, sets aside the guilty plea and dismisses all charges with prejudice on a judgment that no crime was committed.; 12/12/18, 9:02 PM
wildswan said...: Canada is returning to Haiti the Haitians who went from the US to Canada because they believed Trudeau when he said they would be welcome in Canada.
"Only about 8 percent of Haitian migrants had received asylum here since the summer, [the Immigration spokesman] said, while there is a backlog of about 40,700 cases, according to Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board."

So this pledge of open borders is just unbelievable hypocrisy. The reality?
"“We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” [the Immigration spokesman] said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’ ”; 12/12/18, 9:09 PM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: So: May.

The only reason at all she is Prime Minister is to manage Brexit (otherwise it would still be Cameron). The first thing she does is call a disasterous snap election, and now she has bungled the only reason she is in office at all, and the Tories *still* won't get rid of her?; 12/12/18, 9:15 PM
narciso said...: I think there is only explanation, the daleks. In truth there is a reason why stuart mill called the Tories 'the stupid party'; 12/12/18, 9:23 PM
Trumpit said...: Idaho is sick state. It allows the hunting of beautiful mountain lions. In protest, boycott the state.; 12/12/18, 9:40 PM
cronus titan said...: I happened to catch a piece of Christine Ford handing the SPort Illustrated award to Rachel Denhollander (who came forward to start the cascade of allegations against the disgusting Nassar). Strange, Ford lost the little girl voice she had at the hearing. In fact, she sounded like a normal 53 year old woman. Her voice sure changed a lot in two months. Also, her hair was combed and she lost the tassle. Hmmm.

ALso, nice move SI to bury Denhollander's achievement in shining a light on the diguting Nassar with the stupid comparison to Ford. Some stories about it do not even mention Denhollander.; 12/12/18, 9:42 PM
FullMoon said...: Former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is suing several media outlets, including CNN, for $300 million for reporting he was a "convicted felon" who went to prison.

The lawsuit was filed Monday against CNN and its president Jeff Zucker and anchor Chris Cuomo, the HuffPost and its political reporter Kevin Robillard, and Rolling Stone magazine and staff writer Tessa Stuart.

Arpaio alleged CNN defamed him when Cuomo referred to him as a “convicted felon” in a Jan. 10 broadcast.

“As of today, the CNN Broadcast is still available through Defendant CNN’s website and no efforts have been taken by Defendant CNN, Defendant Cuomo, or Defendant Zucker to correct this false statement,” the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia said.; 12/12/18, 9:48 PM
StephenFearby said...: Washington Examiner

Roger Stone explains why Gen. John Kelly lost the battle against Trump’s personality

by Myra Adams December 12, 2018

'When Gen. John Kelly became White House chief of staff on July 31, 2017, the only variable was when, not if, the following would be written: “White House officials are hoping that Kelly will be able to resign instead of being fired by tweet. First Lady Melania Trump has been urging the president not to fire a four-star general but instead allow him to leave on his own terms.”

Ironically, that paragraph, which appeared in Politico on Dec. 7., neatly summarizes why Kelly was destined to fail: Trump’s brand is chaos.

As a lifelong Marine, Kelly knows chaos as an enemy that grows rapidly to fill any space vacated by order and discipline. Chaos must always be defeated before the real mission begins.

While serving the president for 17 months, Kelly fought the battle against chaos and lost because he was fighting Donald Trump’s personality — an unbeatable foe and the root of all White House chaos."

Roger Stone's quote:

“The people who go to work for Donald Trump don’t understand that unlike conventional politicians, Trump cannot be ‘handled’ or managed. He is very much his own man, a force of nature and extraordinarily stubborn in imposing his will which is of course his right considering the authority American voters vested in him in the last election. Interestingly history shows that those working for Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt also decried their bosses’ willingness to be ‘managed.’

"The American people knew what they were getting in Trump, a brash, supremely confident entrepreneur with no shortage of ego and a ‘big picture’ view of things. It is not incidental that those aides who have run afoul of the Chief Executive are those who thought it was their job to derail the President’s populist agenda to ‘protect him from himself’— while those like Larry Kudlow and Mike Pompeo, who embrace Trump’s agenda, have reportedly developed an excellent relationship with him.

"No one puts words in Trump’s mouth or ideas in his head. He is the architect of his own improbable victory in 2016 and an economy which has come roaring back despite predictions that this was impossible.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/roger-stone-explains-why-gen-john-kelly-lost-the-battle-against-trumps-personality; 12/12/18, 10:11 PM
walter said...: Trumpit..stick an Idaho tater up yer ass.
That'll show 'em!; 12/12/18, 10:11 PM
Original Mike said...: "Strange, Ford lost the little girl voice she had at the hearing. In fact, she sounded like a normal 53 year old woman. Her voice sure changed a lot in two months. Also, her hair was combed and she lost the tassle. Hmmm."

She also cleaned her glasses.; 12/12/18, 10:12 PM
narciso said...: Doesn't roger stone just scream chaos, and trilusting randy credico, with anything more serious than ordering a pastrami on rye arena dubious.

Reagan had Jim Baker and he tried to sideline much of Reagan's populist supporters; 12/12/18, 10:17 PM
walter said...: "She also cleaned her glasses"
Gofundme provides!; 12/12/18, 10:31 PM
narciso said...: So as pointed out in the last thread, one of the caravan organizers is a fmr Honduran terrorist Alfonso ullua that fled to Mexico in 1987.; 12/12/18, 10:35 PM
Ralph L said...: he tried to sideline much of Reagan's populist supporters

As did everyone in his WH but Ed Meese, who was busy sewing, Buchanan, and Nofzinger.; 12/12/18, 11:19 PM
narciso said...: Yes and they sent two special prosecutors after him, mark Levin remembers (he was his chief of staff) in the end they had no indictments but there was this long meandering report.; 12/12/18, 11:30 PM
Mark Nielsen said...: Trumpit says: "Idaho is sick state. It allows the hunting of beautiful mountain lions. In protest, boycott the state."

You're welcome to stay away, Trumpit. You probably wouldn't like it here anyway.; 12/12/18, 11:41 PM
chillblaine said...: Cope Land After Dark new episode, manic episode; 12/13/18, 1:44 AM
Ken B said...: If they called Arpaio a shitty official who refused to follow the law and then hypocritically ran as a law and order candidate they would be on solid ground. Opinions are protected. But they made false factual claims that are defamatory. He was never in prison and was never convicted of a felony. It looks like he had a good case. The damages are crazy, and unjustified. Too bad he can’t sue to have the CNN top bras tarred and feathered.; 12/13/18, 1:45 AM
gilbar said...: Trumpit says: "Idaho is sick state. It allows the hunting of beautiful mountain lions. In protest, boycott the state."

yes Please! Please Stay the hell out! You wouldn't like Idaho, it's full of lions and tigers and bears. There's not room there for little skirtboys like Trumpit; 12/13/18, 5:07 AM
Humperdink said...: Trumpit, you can skip PA also. Hunters harvested (killed if you are from Rio Linda) over 360,000 whitetail deer here last year.; 12/13/18, 5:36 AM
Diogenes of Sinope said...: NEVER EVER, NEVER TALK TO THE AUTHORITIES WITHOUT YOUR ATTORNEY PRESENT. Never ever, never talk to the police or investigators without your attorney present. Your attorney should tell the authorities you will not be speaking with them.; 12/13/18, 6:06 AM
chillblaine said...: Diogenes, this is trite and somewhat true. It's possible to cooperate for as long, then just say, "I've been truthful, but not going to answer that." Yes the police will attempt to entrap you. Or they will be willfully obtuse. Ask the officer for his Sergeant. Just fucking tell the truth. I never lie, so, really can't see why total non-cooperation and antagonism is being promoted as the best way. Whatever.; 12/13/18, 6:09 AM
chillblaine said...: My video about the 2A, red flag laws, is right this way, believe me, fellow firearm owner, we have red flag laws. Also Gavin is going to infringe. So yeah.; 12/13/18, 6:13 AM
AllenS said...: I want everyone to follow what Diogenes of Sinope said, and not what chillblaine said.; 12/13/18, 6:13 AM
Ralph L said...: Never talk to the FBI without an attorney and a recording device.; 12/13/18, 6:49 AM
iowan2 said...: Talking to authorities is of no danger, unless they authorities are crooked, inept, or stupid.
How you figure that out, I have no idea.
Flynn told the truth. The truth was no violation of the law. A year later, a scalp was needed.

So the metric you use to make the decision to talk, is not if you have something to hide, but rather, do the cops need a fall guy. Since its impossible to determine that, a reasonable person errors on the side of self preservation.; 12/13/18, 7:22 AM
rehajm said...: 19 states seeing oversized revenue for the year. Our betters on the left have told us tax rates 'don't matter', Trump tax 'cuts' would decimate state budgets and cause outsized deficits.

With the policies of the left Summer of Recovery is always next summer.; 12/13/18, 7:29 AM
gilbar said...: if you do what dio says, your traffic stops will take a long time
oh, that's right; he wasn't being honest,or realistic; he was spouting

dio, next time a policement asks you a question, don't answer; don't say a word, just stand there
Tell us how that went? Very hard to ask for your lawyer without talking; 12/13/18, 8:00 AM
gilbar said...: rehajm said...
19 states seeing oversized revenue for the year. Our betters on the left have told us tax rates 'don't matter', Trump tax 'cuts' would decimate state budgets and cause outsized deficits.

the democrat candidate for iowa governor Fred Hubble (multimillionaire, slumlord) LITERALLY said that "come up with a budget surplus that was a lot bigger than they thought it was and they can’t explain why,"
and that he would "Peel Back All Those Tax Cuts ..." when asked if he meant only corporate tax cuts, he said i'm talking about all the tax cuts

so, Fred the slumlord Ran against Both a balanced budget, AND tax cuts. He was pretty much the Only democrat to lose in iowa this year: Thanx Fred!; 12/13/18, 8:10 AM
AllenS said...: gilbar, if a cop pulls you over, and asks you a question like: "do you know how fast you were going" you answer with an "I don't know". When asked the question: "do you know what the speed limit is" you answer: "I don't know". That traffic stop won't take any longer than it takes to write you a ticket or let you go. Don't be obtuse, use your head.; 12/13/18, 8:24 AM
hawkeyedjb said...: I hope Joe Arpaio's fight with CNN turns out like Stormy Daniels' fight with Donald Trump.; 12/13/18, 9:14 AM
hawkeyedjb said...: "The "Ice people" seem to have weird ideas about what's a good leader. Like Massachusetts. Imagine electing Ted Kennedy and John Kerry as your Senators year after year."

Senators aren't leaders, except very rarely. Mostly the job of Senator is to avoid ever taking responsibility for anything.; 12/13/18, 9:15 AM
gilbar said...: allenS yes Obviously
and Obviously that has NOTHING TO DO with what dio said,
dio says (and i QUOTE) "NEVER EVER, NEVER TALK TO THE AUTHORITIES WITHOUT YOUR ATTORNEY PRESENT"

(at least) one of us IS being obtuse, and it is NOT me

to reiterate, refusing to talk with a policeman MEANS a trip to the station: Try it, and find out.
ps. you are Required, BY LAW, to talk to policeman if he asks you a question (if only to ask for lawyer
pps you are Required, BY LAW, to TELL policeman your name if he asks

don't believe me? Try it and find out; 12/13/18, 9:32 AM
gilbar said...: ppps. to you think i haven't had EXTENSIVE experience with police?
I've looked into the barrel of a police pistol before; have you? have you?
they're really big when they are pointing at you; 12/13/18, 9:35 AM
Drago said...: hawkeyedjb: "I hope Joe Arpaio's fight with CNN turns out like Stormy Daniels' fight with Donald Trump."

Ditto, if for no other reason than to see #StrongCNNDefender LLR Chuck's head explode.; 12/13/18, 10:13 AM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: 54 40 or Fight!; 12/13/18, 10:18 AM
AllenS said...: Pistol? How big can the barrel be? I once had a West St Paul (MN) cop put his shotgun against the front on my throat.; 12/13/18, 10:31 AM
Big Mike said...: The involvement of McCabe in Flynn’s entrapment is easy to understand once you know the story of Robyn Gritz. She was a long time FBI agent who was suing the agency over sex discrimination of the sort that became illegal back in the 1970s. McCabe ran her out of the agency despite a long record of exemplary performance ratings — also illegal since the 1970s — and Flynn wrote and signed a letter supporting her. We aren’t looking at misdeeds byGlynn; we’re looking at McCabe and Comey engaged in payback.; 12/13/18, 11:45 AM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: Allen, why did you have him do that?; 12/13/18, 11:46 AM
Bad Lieutenant said...: AllenS said...
gilbar, if a cop pulls you over, and asks you a question like: "do you know how fast you were going" you answer with an "I don't know". When asked the question: "do you know what the speed limit is" you answer: "I don't know". That traffic stop won't take any longer than it takes to write you a ticket or let you go. Don't be obtuse, use your head.

12/13/18, 8:24 AM

My understanding is that even such responses as these can be incriminating. My initial fallback position for politely responding to any question which I do not wish to answer is, "why do you want to know?" But I wouldn't be confident in that against police power either.; 12/13/18, 12:11 PM
Char Char Binks, Esq. said...: How fast was I going? You tell me; I assume you clocked me.; 12/13/18, 12:36 PM
chillblaine said...: Cope Land episode with my three beloved adored Standards, plus Washington Huskies Football, yes full OSU UW until Jan 1! later; 12/13/18, 1:40 PM
funsize said...: have any of "trump's people" who've been convicted thus far gotten anything other than process crimes?; 12/13/18, 1:50 PM
AllenS said...: Char Char Binks said...
Allen, why did you have him do that?

1971, I was working in St Paul MN, and I was on the afternoon shift (3pm to 11pm). On the way home to (Farmington MN) after work, I stopped at the Subway on South Robert St. I ordered my sub, after they made it, I sat down to eat it, and people in the Subway said: "look at the cops!" Looking out the window they (about 4 cops) were inside my car (1965 Cadillac Sedan Deville). I set the sub down, went outside and said: "hey, that's my car, what the fuck?", the 1st cop grabbed me, threw my ass on top of the hood, and one of the others shoved that shotgun against my throat. They were pissed, and I can't remember why they decided up to go nuts, but I repeatedly said: "hey, I just got off work" and eventually they just left. I had one of those black lunch boxes with the small thermos on top. They opened that up, sandwich bags all over, thermos opened with a little bit of coffee on the front seat. Never talk to the fucking cops. They are not your friend.; 12/13/18, 4:12 PM