November 19, 2018

"Why Democrats Should Not Call the Georgia Governor’s Race 'Stolen'/There are three important reasons to cool this rhetoric..."

"... despite Brian Kemp’s odious voter suppression efforts," cautions lawprof Richard Hasen (at Slate). The 3 reasons:
First, rhetoric about stolen elections feeds a growing cycle of mistrust and delegitimization of the election process, an attack pushed by President Trump and other Republicans who have been yelling “voter fraud” every time they are behind in the count. I’ve already set out my fear that Trump could refuse to concede the 2020 presidential election if he is ahead in the count on election night and then ballot counts inevitably shift toward Democrats as the counting continues....

Second... Saying Kemp tried to suppress Democratic votes and saying the election was stolen are two different things, and making charges of a stolen election when it cannot be proved undermines Democrats’ complaints about suppressive tactics. If Democrats can’t prove it, some people will think the suppression is no big deal when it really is....

[Third] It focuses attention on the wrong question: whether there was enough suppression to change election outcomes....
ADDED: Let me expand on Hasen's first point: Fomenting cynicism about elections might hurt Democrats more than Republicans. Democrats are the ones who need to mobilize more of the people who are inclined to sit things out, and the idea that the everything's fake and rigged isn't going to motivate people to participate.

98 comments:

rehajm said...

Fourth. We’re gonna steal elections later.

wendybar said...

Seats are only "stolen" when a Republican wins. If we had a National voter ID, there wouldn't be half of these problems.

Leland said...

A variation on rehajm; We did it far worse this election than they did, and we don't want investigations.

Humperdink said...

The good Prof is a bit late to the party. His concern will fall on deaf ears, on both sides. The libs have cried foul for years, beginning with Bush v. Gore and hitting a crescendo with Trump v. Cankles. The well has been poisoned so badly by the Left, no election result will be viewed as clean. An absolute landslide will be the only exception.

Thanks Dems! Everything you touch turns to crap.

gilbar said...

and then ballot counts inevitably shift toward Democrats as the counting continues....

yes, because it's a fact even recognized and admitted by demos, that counts inevitably shift towards Demoncrats as the counting continues. It's just a rule of nature; that the side cheating ALWAYS CHEATS

Kevin said...

“I’ve already set out my fear that Trump could refuse to concede the 2020 presidential election if he is ahead in the count on election night and then ballot counts inevitably shift toward Democrats as the counting continues....”

Inevitably? How do normal and untainted recounts “inevitably” shift ballot counts toward Democrats?

His fear is that Trump won’t go along with the usual bullshit.

gilbar said...

1) somehow get close enough, that the demoncrat vote is within the margin of fraud
2) during tabulation and reporting (AFTER tabulation and reporting) 'find' more votes in car trunks
3) DEMAND a recount
4) count ALL provisional, damaged, or blank ballots as vote for the demoncrat
5) PROFIT!!!!

jaydub said...

"First, rhetoric about stolen elections feeds a growing cycle of mistrust and delegitimization of the election process..."

Okay, I understand that it's coming via Slate, but is Kemp saying that conjuring up fantasies about Trump and Putin collusion to steal a presidential election, then initiating a years long inquisition to keep the fantasy alive while harassing the legitimate administration every step along the way serves to foster trust in the election process? Is an "election delegitimazation bullshit" tag in order?

DavidD said...

What " 'voter suppression efforts' ", Professor Hasen?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/11/17/ag_conservative-sets-fire-to-the-idea-that-voter-suppression-in-georgia-cost-stacey-abrams-the-race/?fbclid=IwAR2esX-KdH0gDkHAHfxWZsE7rrd_vS-phQpy_aMyI4OBqInjvJ1b3EeP8MI

Karen of Texas said...

Sooo, only Kemp engaged in alleged voter suppression? Remind me again for whom the New Black Panthers, guns and all, were actively campaigning? Oh. That's not suppression suppression.

And what Humperdink said. Bush Gore is when it finally got real. Republicans finally grew a set and pushed back. That shocked the Democrats to their core. I still remember the looks on their faces when the Republicans insisted on participating in the recount process - and backed it up with action.

DrSquid said...

Interesting you should begin the day with this article. I had just read another piece in which some pundit at Mother Jones ran down the list of the allegations against Kemp (closing polling places, purging voter roles etc.) but no specifics of how and when such actions may have taken place. I thought maybe this cool headed dude would provide that background but he only serves to keep the allegations out there as if they were proven fact.

Anyone seen an actual reliable source reviewing what it is that Kemp actually did as Secretary of State to sway the election in his favor, rather than these lists of supposed events that are discussed as received wisdom?

That's how they gitcha.

Amadeus 48 said...

To a guy with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Humperdink said...

In PA, if do not vote over a two year period, you are dropped from the voter rolls. Egad!*?!&!, you've been purged. Most people know that. I suspect brain-dead people on the left do not.

Personal story: In October of 1976, the spouse and I buy a house and moved in. The new abode was within the same county, but was in new township. A couple of weeks later, on election day, I walk across the street to the elementary school to vote, voter registration card in hand.

They wouldn't let me vote. I was not on the rolls in the new location (ie precinct). They called the judge on the spot. He still said no, I had to re-register 30 days prior to election, which was impossible due to the timing. Valuable lesson.

Big Mike said...

Let me expand on Hasen's first point: Fomenting cynicism about elections might hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

No, Althouse, let ME expand on Hasen’s point. One side is both cynical about elections AND boasts of its cheating, going back to the election of 1960, and earlier. So by all means let us investigate and by all means let us take common sense step to assure that only legal voters can vote and that legal, but only legal votes are counted.
P

Phil 3:14 said...

It’s either white folk or Russians.

Whites or Russians.

White Russians.

It’s The DUDE!

It used to be “the Man”, now it’s the Dude.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Anyone seen an actual reliable source reviewing what it is that Kemp actually did as Secretary of State to sway the election in his favor

From what I understand Kemp purged the voting roles in line with a recent Supreme Court case and he followed a law called "exact match" to disallow registrations that were incorrect.

In other words, he followed the law to clean up our voter roles and the Democrats said he disenfranchised blacks and minorities.

Earnest Prole said...

So this call for civility smells sweet to you?

MayBee said...

First, rhetoric about stolen elections feeds a growing cycle of mistrust and delegitimization of the election process, an attack pushed by President Trump and other Republicans who have been yelling “voter fraud” every time they are behind in the count

Is this even true?
I mean....we're talking about a Democrat talking about voter fraud. We're on year 2 of the whole Russia investigation.
And the people fearing Trump won't concede 2020 sound like the people who thought Bush 43 would not step down in 2008.
If this is what you fear, people, the kook is you.

Paco Wové said...

Note that none of the 3 reasons have to do with the truth or falsehood of the accusation.

gilbar said...

It used to be “the Man”, now it’s the Dude.
That painting Really tied the room together

Paco Wové said...

"So this call for civility smells sweet to you?"

Are you arguing that "We should not say X, because it will backfire on us" is a violation of Althouse's Civility Bullshit Theorem?

David Begley said...

We need Comprehensive Voting Reform starting with requiring in-person registration tied to e-verify. It is not a good idea to permit the Dems to continue to steal elections with illegal aliens.

Tommy Duncan said...

"President Trump and other Republicans who have been yelling “voter fraud” every time they are behind in the count."

Did I miss something? I thought the Republicans were ahead and the Democrats were "finding" votes (Al Franken style).

Hagar said...

The only change in attitude I have noticed in NM is that the jokes about election night as "The Night of the Walking Dead" used to be centered about Rio Arriba County but now most often refer to Dona Ana County (Las Cruces).

James K said...

Let me expand on Hasen's first point: Fomenting cynicism about elections might hurt Democrats more than Republicans.

So fomenting cynicism would be fine if it hurt Republicans more than Democrats. The reality is that it hurts Democrats because the accusations of fraud are actually valid, and the large group of fair-minded voters, those that aren't rabidly partisan, will be turned off by the Democrats' obvious criminality.

Temujin said...

If, by suppression, you mean asking for a valid current ID when going to the polls, or making sure the person in front of you is the person on the voter rolls and is actually a living person, and finally- confirming that they are a US citizen, well then I guess it's a kind of suppression. They just want to make sure there are actual living US citizens who have properly registered to vote- actually voting.

And now my regular clarion call: You have 2 years until the next major election. Two Years. If you don't have an ID by now- get one. You are on the clock.

gilbar said...

She worked in Florida, not Georgia; but Brenda Snipes submits resignation as Broward elections supervisor

What sort of occupation is it where, when a SEVENTY FIVE YEAR OLD stops working, they call it a resignation? She's Seventy Fucking Five Years old! Why didn't they (she?) just say she was Retiring? What sort of crap is it where people Seventy Five Years old WANT to keep their jobs? What happening to retiring ???

Henry said...

Democrats are the ones who need to mobilize more of the people who are inclined to sit things out, and the idea that the everything's fake and rigged isn't going to motivate people to participate.

Democrats are also the ones who need to mobilize more of the people who are unfamiliar with the voting process and more likely to screw things up.

This isn't a conspiracy at all. The young and the poor are going to be less* likely than middle class people to have voted before, to have a fixed address, and even to have photo ID.

*We're talking percentages here, remember.

Browndog said...

Liberals accuse others of what they themselves are doing.

The truth is usually the exact opposite of what a liberal says is true

That is all.

Oh-Orange Co., Ca. Remarkable what democrats "accomplished" this election cycle.

Amadeus 48 said...

I guess the problem with cleaning up up the voter rolls is that there are fewer opportunities to create votes from people who are on the rolls but inactive and perhaps dead. Back when elections were competitive in Illinois we used to see a lot of that.

Given that a challenged voter gets to cast a provisional ballot, I don't think much of these "voter suppression" claims. It's an excuse that the Donks trot out when they lose a close election. Boo-hoo.

Henry said...

Given that a challenged voter gets to cast a provisional ballot, I don't think much of these "voter suppression" claims.

It's interesting that provisional ballots, which create recount delays and tilt to toward Democrats, create "evidence" that Republicans use to claim voter fraud.

hawkeyedjb said...

I wish Buwaya would tell us again about the voter suppression efforts in his home country. The ones that result in 80% turnout. I found it interesting that you could get that kind of turnout with no foreigners or dead people voting.

Bob Boyd said...

It's a balancing act. The Dems have to be careful.

On the one hand they want to expand the strategy of de-legitimizing Republican winners by calling into question important races that don't go their way.

On the other hand, if there's too much in the news about voter fraud it will counter the narrative that there is no voter fraud and throw support to Republican calls for measures to fix problems.

Bob Boyd said...

The Dems can't afford to lose black voters.
If the black voters in Georgia can be made to believe the election was stolen from a black woman and given to a white man, they'll never forget it.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Explain what his odious voter suppression actually means.

Its' like say "Obstruction of justice!" without having to explain what you mean.

The left does this constantly.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Nobody stops people from voting. The left open the door to fraud and when the law fights back, the left scream "voter suppression"

or "Odious voter suppression"

Ralph L said...

If the black voters in Georgia can be made to believe the election was stolen from a black woman and given to a white man, they'll never forget it

Excellent point, but not just Georgia.

CWJ said...

"I’ve already set out my fear that Trump could refuse to concede the 2020 presidential election..."

Democrats and the media already plowed this field the first time around. Yet it's the Democrats who have the history of refusal, retraction, and degrudging when it comes to concessions. History starts fresh every morning.

As an aside, we all have fears. It would be nice if column writing law profs discussed the law more, and their fear less.

Curious George said...

"Blogger gilbar said...
She worked in Florida, not Georgia; but Brenda Snipes submits resignation as Broward elections supervisor

What sort of occupation is it where, when a SEVENTY FIVE YEAR OLD stops working, they call it a resignation? She's Seventy Fucking Five Years old! Why didn't they (she?) just say she was Retiring? What sort of crap is it where people Seventy Five Years old WANT to keep their jobs? What happening to retiring ???"

She didn't retire. She was pressured to resign.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

If you supress the dead vote, you are odious!

HoneyBee said...

Voter ID, in person registration, and both democrat and republican representatives present to ascertain that new democratic ballots do not appear miraculously as needed.

Tina Trent said...

There was no voter suppression. When we switched to voter ID requirements here, free state ID was and is not only offered to everyone without a license, but ID sites from libraries to trailers were set up everywhere.

They went unused, unless you count the graft of paying the usual suspects to oversee some of the program a "use."

We have good government agencies in Georgia. Anyone qualified to vote can still get help from many sources to register.

On the other hand, there is a lot of fraudulent behavior by Democrats on election day, not so much in the poll booth but staged outside for the benefit of the media. The idea is to create the impression of voter suppression by busing people to the polls minutes before they close, staging protests where people claim to have been deprived the right to vote (I've been at this for long enough here to recognize some of these folks), and insisting, with no evidence that suppression is happening.

Of course, academicians and public radio and lefty media amplify these false accusations.

The point is this: false accusations of racist voter suppression is evil. The people participating in it need to be held accountable. Minority voter participation belies any claim of suppression, period. Facts matter. So do false accusations.

gilbar said...

Blogger Curious George said...She didn't retire. She was pressured to resign.
Yes, but; what sort of thing is it where it's a resignation, not a forced retirement?

My bigger point is: what sort of thing is it that you do until you die, or are forced out?
NO job could be worth missing retirement for, therefore; it's not a job, it's a Title of Nobility

Francisco D said...

If we had a National voter ID, there wouldn't be half of these problems.

White liberals seriously believe that voter ID suppresses the Black vote because Blacks are not capable of procuring IDs.

It is not racist because they are liberals with good intentions or something of the sort.

Matthew Sablan said...

Man. Are we already at the "what if Trump won't accept losing" part of 2020 fear mongering? If he gets asked it again he should say "I'll be a more gracious loser than Hillary."

MadTownGuy said...

Henry said...

...

"It's interesting that provisional ballots, which create recount delays and tilt to toward Democrats, create "evidence" that Republicans use to claim voter fraud."

You might ask yourself why the provisional ballots tilt toward Democrats. Claim voter suppression all you like; but if the demographic of provisional voters doesn't match the demographic of all voters, there may be other reasons...which is why those ballots are provisional.

Matthew Sablan said...

Judging by how badly run it was, she may not have been working much anyway.

SteveR said...

Garage Mahal was unavailable for comment

James K said...

Judging by how badly run it was, she may not have been working much anyway.

The incompetence is a feature, not a bug. Once you create a mess, it gives you a lot of latitude on how to remedy it, i.e. to swing the outcome to the Democrats.

Henry said...

You might ask yourself why the provisional ballots tilt toward Democrats.

Let me quote Amadeus again, because my comment was a reply:

I guess the problem with cleaning up up the voter rolls is that there are fewer opportunities to create votes from people who are on the rolls but inactive and perhaps dead. Back when elections were competitive in Illinois we used to see a lot of that.

Given that a challenged voter gets to cast a provisional ballot, I don't think much of these "voter suppression" claims.


You might read that comment, pick up on the "dead" part and think "voter fraud".

I see the "cleaning up ... on the rolls but inactive" part. One reason for provisional ballots is to allow people to vote who should be on the rolls but aren't.

It should be fairly easy to look at the party spread of those voters removed from the rolls. My guess is that they trend Democrat.

mccullough said...

Typical White Male Progressive. I don’t listen to White Male Progressives.

Known Unknown said...

"an attack pushed by President Trump and other Republicans who have been yelling “voter fraud” every time they are behind in the count."

Pot, meet Russian Tea Kettle.

Greg P said...

Rick Hassen tries to pretend that he's something more than a Democrat Party hack, but he really isn't.

Requiring people to show ID to vote isn't "voter suppression", and anyone who claims that it is is an idiot, and ignoramus, or an advocate of vote fraud who's upset that there are fewer opportunities to commit it.

Removing voter registrations when the person has double-registered, the registration is invalid, or the person hasn't voted in many years, is basic vote hygiene, and the only reason to oppose it is because you're planning in mining those inactive voters for fake votes you can get away with.

If you're an out of state college student who doesn't want to give up your home state driver's license in you "school state" (because you don't have a car there, but will be driving when you go home for the summer), then you should NOT be voting in the State where you're going to school

You're not a resident, you're a visitor. Vote absentee in your home State.

Or, if you can't be bothered, do the world a favor, and don't vote. Because if you can't be bothered to get, fill out, and return an absentee ballot, it's highly likely you haven't bothered to learn anything about the election.

So keep your ignorance out of the voting booth.

If you're an adult resident of a State, and you have no need of a photo ID, it's because you're not actually participating in legal society. There's no good reason to make it easier for criminals to vote.

You care about people? Great! Show that you actually do, by supporting laws to get photo ID for poor people w/o charge.

But if you call requirements for photo ID "vote suppression", you are scum who is pro vote fraud, and nothing more

walter said...

"Voter suppresion" is just another in a long line of manipulations of language employed by the Left.
aka voter integrity.

Greg P said...

4) "214 polling places closed"

This is the total number of polling places closed across the state since 2012. Those places were consolidated with other locations to save money. Those decisions were made by local County officials to save money, and have 0 to do with Kemp. pic.twitter.com/JzGLLDxyUv

Blogger Henry said...

This isn't a conspiracy at all. The young and the poor are going to be less* likely than middle class people to have voted before, to have a fixed address, and even to have photo ID.

Bzzt.

The young legal voters just recently got their driver's licenses, and are therefore less likely to have lost them.

They're also more likely to be job hunting (every job I've ever gotten, I had to show photo ID as part of proving I could work legally), and starting a life (renting a place, opening a back account, etc.), all things that require you to have a photo ID.

So, no. Wrong

rcocean said...

Democrat voters are more inclined to sit things out. Why?

Because many of them are dead or don't exist.

Its hard to motivate people to commit voter fraud.

rcocean said...

The Democrat mantra is:

Any attempt to enforce immigration laws = racism
Any Attempt to enforce voting laws = suppressing the vote
Any attempt to defeat Democrats = Fascism.

rcocean said...

Every time the R's pass a voter ID law the Democrats scream "Racism"

Every commonsense argument for Voter ID is met with insults and victim playing.

AMDG said...

In the last three Republican presidential victories a sizable portion of the Democrats profess that th elections were fraudulent.

The last Democratic to concede an election in the traditional and classy manner is Michael “Pee Wee” Dukakis.

Henry said...

@Greg P. -- You combined cherry-picking and subjectivity in one counter argument. Congratulations!

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The democrats use the big lie to roll back voter ID. If they can open the door to voter fraud, they can steal close elections - and well, all elections eventually.

Henry said...

Anyway, I'm pretty agnostic about photo ID. I've focused my comments here about the impact of voter role cleanup and provisional balloting.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

when a 'Get Out The Vote' drive means going to the trunk of your car...

Greg P said...

@Henry:

"Cherry picking?" By responding to your final claim?

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means?

"Subjectivity"? In what way?

Provisional balloting is pretty straight forward. You show your in-state photo ID with your current address, you get to vote, no problem.

"Voter roll cleanup" doesn't affect the young, they haven't been on the rolls long enough to be cleaned. As for the poor, If they're moving around a lot, they need that photo ID to get most new places. And every State that's passed a photo ID requirement has also added the ability to get a free ID.

Big win for those poor people, no?

tcrosse said...

If you start with the assumption that your candidate is entitled to the office, then any election which they lose, by no matter how many votes, is theft.

Howard said...

Blogger tcrosse said...

If you start with the assumption that your candidate is entitled to the office, then any election which they lose, by no matter how many votes, is theft.

Yes! Trump telegraphed this before the tragic events of 11/9

Chuck said...

Let me expand on the takeaway to be drawn from Rick Hasen.

Hasen is a very well-credentialed, widely-respected election law expert. An expert, who often leans to the Left.

What he is doing here is distancing himself from the stupid and silly excesses of partisans on his side, in order to preserve his own integrity and credibility.

I can relate to that.

Amadeus 48 said...

That Georgia election really isn’t very close. The only thing that was close was whether Kemp got more than 50% on the first go-around. The Libertarian took 1% of the votes. Abrams just wanted a do-over. Boo-hoo.

Chuck said...

BTW;
I think that the “amount of odious voter suppression employed by” Governor-elect Kemp in Georgia was “zero.” And that Hasen is precisely wrong about that accusation.

Amadeus 48 said...

“Trump telegraphed this...”

Yeah, and Team Hillary has been living it.

Yancey Ward said...

Henry, provisional ballots are small in number- they are not the reason for delayed counts, but I will grant that they will always tilt towards Democrats. Late absentee/mail-in votes are probably on the order of 100 times+ the numbers of provisional ballots.

Yancey Ward said...

I wrote the other day- Democrats are doing a better of job of getting mail-in ballots to their voters and getting those ballots filled out and returned than Republicans are. I followed this election very closely, and here is the thing I noticed in state after state- when the polls closed in a state, the mail-in totals that had already been counted were immediately posted on RCP. The Democratic candidate always out-performed the Republican candidate on that mail-in ballot posting. The election day vote- people showing up that the polling places to vote- always favored the Republican. In Arizona, for example, as soon as the polls closed, the counties in the state posted what totals they had already counted from the mail-in votes, and Sinema appeared to be on her way to comfortable victory at that point, but the state then counts the election day votes and tallies the precincts that have finished that particular count. Arizona finished that count early that Wednesday morning- 99+% of the precincts done, and McSally had taken the lead based on that election day advantage. However, Sinema's advantage in the mail-in votes reasserted itself as the back log was counted.

In short, the Republican Party needs to up its game in identifying its voters, and making sure they vote early.

Earnest Prole said...

Are you arguing that "We should not say X, because it will backfire on us" is a violation of Althouse's Civility Bullshit Theorem?

If "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" can be called bullshit for the same reason, yes.

CWJ said...

"Democrats are doing a better of job of getting mail-in ballots to their voters and getting those ballots filled out and returned than Republicans are."

It's much easier to do a better job when you systematically have individuals filling out and returning multiple ballots. Still, I take your point.

Rabel said...

I was looking for the Arizona mail-in vote totals and didn't find them but I did run across this quote from a pair of AP writers that was printed in Time magazine:

"Sinema, 42, is a former Green Party activist who became a Democratic centrist with her first election to the House of Representatives in 2012."

That makes it sound like a sex change operation.

Original Mike said...
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Original Mike said...

Yancey - Why do you assume that getting more Republicans to vote early will result in higher total Republican votes? If Republicans as a group like to vote in person on election day, getting them to shift to early voting doesn’t increase the total Republican vote.

Amadeus 48 said...

I think the issue with mail-in ballots is who is filling them out and mailing them in. Is it the registered voter or someone else? All those votes in Florida where the signatures didn’t match the registration at least raise a question about who voted. The potential for shenanigans is obvious. And in California a voter’s citizenship is self-certification only.

William Chadwick said...

"Garage Mahal was unavailable for comment."

Wasn't that Pee Pee under one of his many pseudonyms? They pretty much had the same Aristotelian grasp of logic.

Jim at said...

It's amazing whenever there's a close race, the found ballots always benefit the Democrats. Always.

And then they have the balls to accuse us of actually questioning their methods.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“So this call for civility smells sweet to you?”

I guess we have to decide what smells like shit and what smells like roses, based on what is being pushed. It seems aribtary and not at all like the original Althouse civility bullshit theorem.

Jim at said...

Slightly on-topic:

The other night I purchased two cans of spray paint at Home Depot. I had to show my ID.

rcocean said...

"In short, the Republican Party needs to up its game in identifying its voters, and making sure they vote early."

OR

Work to eliminate mail in ballots. They're fraud waiting to happen.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...


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@ReaganBattalion

This is NOT the right wing making up stories, these are actual tweets by @lsarsour! (Tweets linked below in reply.)

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Anti Women ✔️
Antisemitic ✔️
Pro Farrakhan ✔️

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Earnest Prole said...

It seems aribtary and not at all like the original Althouse civility bullshit theorem.

Althouse's theorem includes the word always. Distinctions are categorically impossible.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Linda Sarsour - anti-Semite - feminist leftist variety.

Greg P said...

Blogger Chuck said...
Let me expand on the takeaway to be drawn from Rick Hasen.

Hasen is a very well-credentialed, widely-respected election law expert. An expert, who often leans to the Left.

What he is doing here is distancing himself from the stupid and silly excesses of partisans on his side, in order to preserve his own integrity and credibility.


Bzzt

You can't maintain credibility, while writing about "Republican vote suppression".

It's tin-foil hat BS

Jonathan Graehl said...

I'm going to have to see specific evidence of voter suppression campaigns (such as the script, or a recording), which generally are about as effective+subtle as a telemarketer's scam.
False flag 'suppression' ops are probably as common as false flag hate crime stunts, too. After all, wouldn't a clumsy suppression attempt fire up the outraged neighborhood to turn out?

Tommy Duncan said...

A normal election day ballot is handed to the voter, filled out by the voter and scanned into the tally machine by the voter.

Completed provisional ballots, absentee ballots and mail-in ballots are handled by the polling officials. That creates an opportunity for voting fraud. That is why those voting methods are sacred to the Democrat Party.

Lack of voter ID requirements allow the voting dead (and other frauds) to find new life.

I was a polling official for 10 years. Attempted voter fraud is common, but nothing happens when the perps are caught. They just walk out the door. There is nothing the voting officials can do to detain and charge them. Voting law is very friendly to fraud.

Chuck said...

Blogger Greg P said...
Blogger Chuck said...
“Let me expand on the takeaway to be drawn from Rick Hasen.

“Hasen is a very well-credentialed, widely-respected election law expert. An expert, who often leans to the Left.

“What he is doing here is distancing himself from the stupid and silly excesses of partisans on his side, in order to preserve his own integrity and credibility.”

Bzzt

You can't maintain credibility, while writing about "Republican vote suppression".



Did you miss my follow-up comment, posted before yours, where I agreed that Hasen’s recitation of the “suppression” bullshit was something that I would not accept?

Another question for you; with the Florida recounts now completed, was there ever any evidence of “fraud” as Trump alleged?

Drago said...

GregP: "You can't maintain credibility, while writing about "Republican vote suppression"."

LLR Chuck, like Anna Navarro, Max Boot, Billy "I get paid by far left billionaires and FusionGPS!" Kristol and the rest of the fakers at The Weekly Standard and National Review, long ago gave up what little fake credibility they had built up.

Now they, like LLR Chuck, are open loud and proud lefty operational allies and admitted smear merchants for their lefty paymasters.

Its really quite refreshing to have it out in the open.

Drago said...

I fully expect to see LLR Chuck go to bat for his lefty pals in Broward and Palm Beach counties. Particularly since both Desantis and Scott are successful conservative republican politicians with military backgrounds.

LLR Chuck appears to have a very particular and peculiar strong dislike for conservatives with military backgrounds.

dwick said...

Chuck said 11/19/18, 12:09 PM...

"...What he (Hasen) is doing here is distancing himself from the stupid and silly excesses of partisans on his side, in order to preserve his own integrity and credibility."


Let's take a walk down memory lane through titles of Richard L Hasen's recent voting-related posts on Slate:

What’s Happening in Florida Is a Nightmare. 2020 Could Be So Much Worse. (11/12/18)

Brian Kemp Just Engaged in a Last-Minute Act of Banana-Republic Level Voter Manipulation in Georgia (11/04/18)

Judges Are Telling Minority Voters They’re Probably Being Disenfranchised, but It’s Too Late to Do Anything About It (11/02/18)

How Democrats Can Reverse Years of Voter Suppression (10/30/18)

Is the Assault on Voting Rights Getting Worse, or Are We Just Noticing It More? (10/23/18)

Brett Kavanaugh May Soon Unshackle All Rich Political Donors (09/03/18)

How Justice Kennedy’s Successor Will Wreak Havoc on Voting Rights and American Democracy (07/02/18)

Suppression of Minority Voting Rights Is About to Get Way Worse (06/25/18)

Vote Suppressors Unleashed (11/27/17)

So... after stoking the stupid and silly excesses of partisans on his side for almost a year now, all the sudden your paragon of integrity and credibility here wants to distance himself from them?

The man doth protest too much, methinks...

Drago said...

dwick, if you've spent any significant time on this blog it is impossible to miss how often LLR Chuck goes to bat for hack lefty fake "journalists" as they engage in full-blown dem/lefty advocacy.

dwick said...

Drago said 11/19/18, 6:48 PM...
"dwick, if you've spent any significant time on this blog it is impossible to miss how often LLR Chuck goes to bat for hack lefty fake "journalists" as they engage in full-blown dem/lefty advocacy."


I'm well aware of Chuck's history on this blog - and I respect his continuing engagement even if I rarely agree with him (although sometimes I wonder if he isn't just trolling...)
Anyway, maybe Hasen is trying to distance himself, I don't know. But he (Hasen) should have thought about preserving his integrity and credibility before now.

Chuck said...

Blogger Drago said...
I fully expect to see LLR Chuck go to bat for his lefty pals in Broward and Palm Beach counties. Particularly since both Desantis and Scott are successful conservative republican politicians with military backgrounds.

LLR Chuck appears to have a very particular and peculiar strong dislike for conservatives with military backgrounds.


You cocksucker. Name a “conservative with a military background” whom I have disparaged. Don’t bother with Dr. Ricky Bobby who lied about Trump’s height and weight to spare him an “obese” classification.

Meanwhile we’ve got a draft-dodger of a President who really did put down John McCain, and Admiral McRaven.

Tina Trent said...

Hansen is a racist liar. He merits no respect. His Slate series is a series of false accusations and other lies. And he needs to be held professionally accountable for this behavior.

False accusations of racism, especially be academics and the media, are tearing this country apart. They need to be treated with the seriousness with which we treat actual racism, when it is directed by the right type of people against the right types of people, that is.

Six String Aficionado said...

Ann wrote, "whether there was enough suppression to change election outcomes"

There was no voter suppression in Georgia; there was only implications, accusations, and lies about voter suppression in Georgia. It was and still is Progressive propaganda being used to fire up their partisan drones.