October 17, 2018

"I'm not enrolled in a tribe, and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. I understand and respect that distinction."

What distinction?

That's Elizabeth Warren in this 5-and-a-half minute video dealing with the white-hot issue of the DNA test that does or doesn't support her statements over the years about her purported Native American ancestry.


I can figure out what distinction she means, but I'm interested in what bad writing reveals: "I'm not enrolled in a tribe, and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. I understand and respect that distinction." No distinction has been articulated. She's just conceded that she's not "Native American" in the sense that matters to the Cherokee Nation, which spoke up about her DNA test yesterday. To them, to be Cherokee is to have political status because the tribe has governmental power and controls its membership. The distinction Warren fails to articulate is between citizenship and genetic ancestry. Why doesn't she make that explicit? Does she think that touting one's genetics sounds wrong (at least to some people)? Does she not want to be confrontational to the Cherokee tribe by saying, yes, I know that tribal citizenship is important to you, and I'm not enrolled and don't qualify to be enrolled by your standards, but I've still got something going for me that I think matters, even though it's not what you think matters?

Why does it matter?! It matters because she talked about it in the past, and whether we believe all the law professors who say in that video that they did not take her supposed minority status into account when they hired her, we do know that she identified herself as Native American to the American Association of Law Schools and that Harvard Law School represented itself as having a Native American professor in its faculty when all it had was her. So the tiny percentage of possibly Native American DNA that Warren has matters only because she's fighting a charge of dishonesty and unfairness. If she had not used a claim of Native American ancestry in the past, she would never point to a DNA test now and say, look, I'm possibly a little tiny minuscule bit Native American. If that was the normal discourse in America, we'd be so bored with it by now.

I got that video at The Washington Post, where it appears with a Dana Milbank column:
Like most in the American melting pot, I’m a mutt: a stew of English and German, western pioneers and sharecroppers, immigrants from the shtetl and a great-great-great-grandfather who died fighting for the Iowa 39th Infantry in the Civil War.

This is why Warren’s DNA stunt was such a blunder: She took Trump’s DNA-test dare and let him divide us — again — by race and ethnicity....
Milbank relies on the same argument Warren uses in her video: Trump is the one using race to divide us. The defense of Trump there is: Trump calls out the dishonest use of race. But Milbank says something I think progressive Democrats like Warren disapprove of, the notion that America is a "melting pot." I think that's regarded as a microaggression.

From the Wikipedia article "Melting Pot":
In the early 20th century... [t]he melting pot was equated with either the acculturation or the total assimilation of European immigrants, and the debate centered on the differences between these two ways of approaching immigration: "Was the idea to melt down the immigrants and then pour the resulting, formless liquid into the preexisting cultural and social molds modeled on Anglo-Protestants like Henry Ford and Woodrow Wilson, or was the idea instead that everyone, Mayflower descendants and Sicilians, Ashkenazi and Slovaks, would act chemically upon each other so that all would be changed, and a new compound would emerge?"
We were talking about the idea of the "melting pot" back in June 2016. I wrote:
[Scott] Adams tries to figure out what Trump could say to undo the "crazy racist" branding. He pictures Trump saying he loves everyone and believes in the "melting pot."

I think what Trump is going to try to do... is argue that the true meaning of "racist" is what Democrats do, which is to openly talk about everyone — and to frame political appeals — in racial terms. What Trump said yesterday — about Elizabeth Warren — was "She made up her heritage which I think is racist. I think she's a racist actually, because what she did was very racist." The idea is: It's racist to exploit race, and they do that all the time. Democrats can be relied on to cite race continually, and Trump will have a lot of "there you go again" opportunities: They're trying to divide us by race to get political power for themselves. I will never do that.

ALSO: Trump might be able to get people to identify with him. He could say: I've been called a racist so unfairly, and it's what they do to you too if you don't stay in line. They've got people so afraid of being called a racist — completely unfairly — that half of the members of my own party are afraid to support me, they're so afraid they might get called a racist. This fear — this race-based fear, because of their racist name-calling — is terrible for America. 

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gerry said...

It seems like Liz is circling the wagons on this one.

Or the drain.

Tinderbox said...

Just another white woman trying to horn in on what vanishingly little political influence or benefits still belong to Native Americans.

Rick said...

It's revealing to compare the media reaction to Kavanaugh and Warren. Warren's claim was not just that she had some American Indian ancestry. It was that her parents had to elope because her mother was part of two different tribes: i.e. her ancestry was so clear her immediate family suffered discrimination over it. So she used it to establish a claim in the Victimhood Olympics. This plus she held herself out with membership in an approved minority group which routinely receives race preferences. Despite this the media has no interest in validating her actual claims. They point to a possible 1/1,024 and proclaim her vindicated without bothering to compare the new facts to her original assertions. They simply accept her own denials as proof and erase any conflicting comments from the public discussion.

In contrast the media parsed Kavanaugh's high school yearbook quotes and claimed they were "lies" based on the flimsiest of discrepancies and repeat the lie label even though those discrepancies were overwhelmingly resolved in his favor.

Simply put the media is a left wing relations department. Their only criticism of Democrats is that they're not insane enough.

Doug said...

It is SO refreshing to see a democrat having to issue a mealy-mouthed apology, as spineless Republicans have had done for generations. Used to be, dems didn't have to sorry for NUTHIN'!
But, ah ... there is a whiff of change in the air. It smells like MAGA!

Mark said...

About 99.999 percent white Warren's theft of Cherokee identity and the defense of that appropriation by "Inga" -- I'm still not convinced that this is the original Inga and, thus, that she did not steal her identity from the original.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Now, she looks like a clown and for no good reason that I can see. Yes, if she run for Pres it would have come up but that is well in the future and it could have been played an number of ways.”

I saw this theory somewhere today. Her problem right now is that she needs to stand out from the crowd in order to get the Dem nomination in 2020. And with the activists running the Dem party now, that means being the leader of the Resistance. And that first requires that she show that she can get Trump’s attention in her Resistance. Of course, Crooked Hillary already can do that. The Creepy Porn Lawyer has shown that he also can do it. Everyone else? Not so much. By that metric, Biden’s candidacy is probably a lost cause. Sure, Clinton is a two time loser, but she is still probably the one whom Warren will have to overcome to get leadership of the Resistance, and ultimately the nomination. They are too close demographically for Warren to knock her out otherwise (and the Indian constituency is too small to matter, even if she had actually been such, which, of course, she failed at - my favorite joke here is showing her being more White than Ivory Soap).

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Hunter@11:59- "Let's be honest here, Warren is a more truthful and upstanding person than Trump"

Yes, let's be honest here. You're full of fucking shit.

Brian said...

And this is why Trump is a "very stable genius". She's done. Before she even got out of the starting gate...

THis is why those people that tell him not to tweet don't get it. It's his tweeting that get's people to make these kind of unforced errors.

Seeing Red said...


Hunter@11:59- "Let's be honest here, Warren is a more truthful and upstanding person than Trump"


Lololol

Warren ran a commercial biz out of her teaching office. Did she pay the school rent? Did she pay her staff out of her pocket?

Michael K said...

that means being the leader of the Resistance.

That has become lightly are risky now that senior Treasury officials are going to the gray bar hotel, for leaking financial records.

Natalie Mayflower Sours Edwards, a senior adviser at the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or FinCEN, which targets illicit use of the U.S. financial system, was arrested on Tuesday and accused of leaking Suspicious Activity Reports to a journalist starting in 2017 and continuing until this week. The reporter and the news organization aren’t identified, but the articles cited by prosecutors were written by journalists at BuzzFeed -- the most recent having been published Oct. 15.

Her supervisor is also going to bee charged. These are not clerks. They are senior "Resistance " types.

Michael K said...

"Highly" not :"lightly." Damn autocorrect,

Roughcoat said...

So, anyway, what's the big deal about being an Indian or having Indian ancestry? Is it a nostalgie de la boue thing? Are Indians supposed to be extra special cool? You know, like more spiritual, more in touch with the earth, more authentic, that sort of thing?

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

maybe this is a case of 'Recovered Ancestry'--
you know, like a memory of being sexually assaulted.
These occurrences are perfectly normal, and usually occur on the eve of confirmations and elections.

Scott said...

I will give Senator Warren this, she is quite lucky that she is grading her Cherokee blood on such a scale.

1/1024th Jewish in Nazi Germany would have her dodge the gas chamber. She would even be eligible for the SS as pure Aryan!

1/1024th Black in the antebellum South would get her out from picking cotton. she would not even qualify as a second-class citizen like an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadroon

But Harvard thinks differently.

Drago said...

Brian: "THis is why those people that tell him not to tweet don't get it. It's his tweeting that get's people to make these kind of unforced errors."

And that is why it is a fantastic that Trump doesnt listen to the LLR cucks who consistently whine about his tweeting.

Trump knows better than to listen to those self-annointed jackasses and their bow down and take it attitudes.

Fritz said...

Favorite "Indian" recipe:

Take 1 whole deer. Skin and gut.

Roast on open fire until flesh ready to fall off bone.

Eat with bare hands.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The distinction Warren fails to articulate is between citizenship and genetic ancestry. Why doesn't she make that explicit?

Who cares? It's obvious to anyone familiar with this. Why dwell on things that only rile up the crazy right-wing? They'll say she did something wrong no matter what she actually does do or say. They hate her for her, not for anything about her. That's just how they are. Hate first, justify later.

Michael K said...

oughcoat said...
So, anyway, what's the big deal about being an Indian or having Indian ancestry?


Pure self interest. Affirmative Action has created a whole new set of incentives.

They are now busy destroying science education.

scientist at UCLA reports: “All across the country the big question now in STEM is: how can we promote more women and minorities by ‘changing’ (i.e., lowering) the requirements we had previously set for graduate level study?” Mathematical problem-solving is being deemphasized in favor of more qualitative group projects; the pace of undergraduate physics education is being slowed down so that no one gets left behind.
The National Science Foundation (NSF), a federal agency that funds university research, is consumed by diversity ideology. Progress in science, it argues, requires a “diverse STEM workforce.” Programs to boost diversity in STEM pour forth from its coffers in wild abundance.

SweatBee said...

Clearly the Cherokee tribe needs to pass a DREAM Act so Warren will no longer have this problem. After all, she [allegedly] was told she is Cherokee when she was a minor. We can't expect her to return to Whiteness after all this time.

Anonymous said...

You mean the lying disgusting hag preachy NPC Inga is defending another lying disgusting preachy hag?

Your hero Pokey has deleted her tweets on the subject Inga. Good thing she has a disgusting, lying hag like you to defend her, because she can’t.

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