October 2, 2018

"I believe that the flat-6 chord in the bridge of 'Peggy Sue' (F major in the key of A major) when Buddy Holly sings 'pretty pretty pretty pretty Peggy Sue'..."

"... was a prophetic moment in early rock ‘n’ roll — a rare example of an uptempo ‘50s rock song to venture outside the conventional 1, 4, and 5 chords — that probably inspired the Beatles to make similarly bold chord choices in songs like 'I Saw Her Standing There.'"

Writes my son John (at Facebook). The occasion to think about that song is the death of Peggy Sue Gerron. The Lubbock Avalanche-Journal has the obituary:
Gerron, an Olton native, went to Lubbock High, where she met and dated Jerry “J.I” Allison, who along with Holly was a founding member of the Crickets, according to A-J Media archives. Her namesake song, which went to No. 3 on the charts for Holly in 1957, was originally titled “Cindy Lou” after Holly’s niece, according to A-J Media archives. The title was changed to “Peggy Sue” - then Allison’s girlfriend - after the couple were briefly broken up.
Gerron and Allison were married through much of the 60s, but later divorced. Gerron went on to Pasadena Junior College in Pasadena, California, becoming a dental assistant. She would re-marry and had two children and multiple grand-children....

[Bryan Edwards, now living in New Mexico after operating the business called Edwards Electronics in Lubbock] remembers that he knew Peggy Sue from Lubbock High School, and in recent years she had asked him about ham radio. “She said, ‘Ive always wanted to be a ham.’ At the time, I thought it was just a passing comment. Then she said, ‘I want to get a ham license.’ A couple of other guys and I started helping Peggy, and the result was that she got a ham radio license. In the mid-1990s, we decided we wanted to have a special event station commemorating Lubbock and Buddy Holly, and Peggy would always take a very active part in that. She would come over to my house and spend hours talking to people on the special events station. We might talk to from 1,000 to 1,500 people all around the world during the time commemorating Buddy Holly. Peggy would be the one who would be talking to people, and it was fascinating for her to tell stories to those people. When they would mention an association with Buddy Holly, she would immediately have a fantastic comeback. She would share with people from all over the world — it was a really great time.”
How strange to be declared pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty over and over again all your life and to know the prettiness that inspired the declaration belonged to Cindy Lou (who?!).

And then there's Jerry “J.I” Allison, the divorced husband and former Cricket. He seems to still be around. Here's a 2015 interview with him. My favorite thing about it is this picture of his surrealistically preserved childhood home:



ADDED: This post has been corrected to reflect John's correction: "I meant 'I Saw Her Standing There'; I inadvertently mentioned another Beatles song, but I changed it now. Thanks to a reader who noted the mistake."

61 comments:

Ann Althouse said...

I'll bet you didn't think we'd start here this morning.

Laslo Spatula said...

"... was a prophetic moment in early rock ‘n’ roll — a rare example of an uptempo ‘50s rock song to venture outside the conventional 1, 4, and 5 chords — that probably inspired the Beatles to make similarly bold chord choices in songs like 'I Want to Hold Your Hand.'"

Which inevitably led to Steely Dan.

Who had a song named "Peg."

It's early. The best I can do.

I am Laslo.

tim in vermont said...

I think that Paul McCartney was more influenced by the sophisticated music of Tin Pan Alley types. He said in an interview that he wanted to be Fred Astaire growing up. The music that survives and is still listened to from those days is Christmas music, like Home For the Holidays, Let It Snow, or Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas. I think if it hadn’t have been for John Lennon, McCartney might have written a lot of. schmaltz. Those are the songs that McCartney’s music puts to mind in me, anyway.

tim in vermont said...

You can’t bring up “peg” around Laslo.

Birkel said...

What are things front Althouse's youth for $400, Alex.
The only surprise was a lack of Dylan.

Ann Althouse said...

I can't believe we've gotten this far into the comments without hearing from rhhardin. This post has ham radio!

Ann Althouse said...

"What are things front Althouse's youth for $400, Alex."

I am on the verge of putting up a post about Alex Trebek. He's in the news this morning! Hang on.

Ron said...

They should have had a meetup with other similar women.... Patti Boyd immediately comes to mind. There must be others!

rhhardin said...

It's a relief from the intense boredom of I IV V but doesn't fit musically.

Try a few seconds of Faure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFkBk7hEPhQ

rhhardin said...

My experience from pictures of female hams is that they're not hot babes. In addition, today, they're really old.

wild chicken said...

Pasadena CITY College.

Is the rest wrong too?

Darrell said...

Red meat for Hardin.

Or rather ham.

I'm Full of Soup said...

I've been to Lubbock. Booming economy, university town, really nice people. One of its notable products is NFL quarterbacks groomed at Texas Tech.

Darrell said...

Confess--How many of you heard "Piggy Sue?"

AMDG said...

Did Bret Kavanaugh assault Peggy Sue? Senators Spartacus, Stolen Valor and Boofy want to know?

gilbar said...

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gg6 said...

What, pray tell, is 'surrealistic' about that "childhood home" photo? For $400, anyone....?

rhhardin said...

What, pray tell, is 'surrealistic' about that "childhood home" photo?

The umbrella and the sewing machine.

Darrell said...

It's surrealistic that the home was preserved at all, not torn down.

Send the $400 to Althouse and she will send some to me.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

What a weird, cool house.

dustbunny said...

Peggy Sue Got Married traveled to the future and thought about going to Liverpool to discover the Beatles

Paul Zrimsek said...

Happy the town that has a newspaper called the Avalanche-Journal.

Wince said...

How long before news of a female high school classmate’s death will routinely elicit a “whew, now there’s one less person who can make a false sexual assault allegation against me’”?

tcrosse said...

Peggy Sue Got Married traveled to the future and thought about going to Liverpool to discover the Beatles

Correction: Peggy Sue Got Married travelled to the past, where she invented pantie hose.

Ann Althouse said...

@gg6

The Surrealist Manifesto says the aim of surrealism is to "resolve the previously contradictory conditions of dream and reality into an absolute reality, a super-reality."

I see absolute reality, super-reality.

Ann Althouse said...

"The Surrealist Manifesto says the aim of surrealism is to "resolve the previously contradictory conditions of dream and reality into an absolute reality, a super-reality." I see absolute reality, super-reality."

And what is the dream? The American dream!

Darrell said...

Correction: Peggy Sue Got Married traveled to the past, where she invented the Cleveland Steamer.

Ann Althouse said...

I've gone back to look at my childhood home, which is in Newark, Delaware. And it's been remodeled into a thing that barely lets me see the original house. The coolest thing about it, a brick patio connecting the house to the carport (and adjacent "utility room" structure). That's all been filled in, the patio is just more indoor space, and the carport is now, of course, a garage. All the openness -- and optimism! -- are gone. 1953 ranch house minimalism is all chunked up. A grab for more space has eliminated what was beautiful space. A carport! There was an idea that you wanted to see your car when you looked out the living room window. A Nash Rambler!

Ignorance is Bliss said...

I've gone back to look at my childhood home...

No. You went back to look at your childhood house. You can never go home...

tim in vermont said...

If BK had written the song, Peggy Sue would have been a girl who was into toys and boys. Of course "peg" at the time was slang for "throw" as in "I pegged him with a snowball."

tim in vermont said...

I like that chord, BTW. Every other change in the song you can pretty much guess by ear.

tcrosse said...

The Buddy Holly Story (1978) starred Gary Busey, another Texas boy. At the time it came out I was married to a Womyns Studies major, who was familiar with the Linda Ronstadt covers of Buddy Holly songs, but had never heard of him. It was a revelation for her.

Etienne said...
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mockturtle said...

Buddy Holly had a unique style and a bundle of hits, not just Peggy Sue. That'll Be the Day and Oh Boy to name a couple.

Howard said...

so... another nepotismic post from Ann. Is she greezing the skids for John to take over the blog wunce she retires?

jwl said...

Crying, Waiting, Hoping is my favourite Holly song, mockturtle.

SeanF said...

Althouse: How strange to be declared pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty over and over again all your life and to know the prettiness that inspired the declaration belonged to Cindy Lou (who?!).

I'm pretty sure that's not how songwriting works. The article says "[The song] was originally titled 'Cindy Lou' after Holly’s niece...The title was changed to 'Peggy Sue' - then Allison’s girlfriend..."

What it doesn't say is "The entire song (including 'pretty, pretty, pretty') was written using 'Cindy Lou' and all that was changed was the name."

What it also doesn't say is "The song was about Holly's niece."

Just read the lyrics and see how far you get before you think, "I sure hope he's not singing about his niece!"

tcrosse said...

Diddle diddle dumpling, my son John
Went to bed with his britches on.
One shoe off, and one shoe on.
Diddle diddle dumpling, my son John.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Has a consensus been reached yet what's that chord at the start of "Hard Day's Night?"

I've been out of touch.

FWBuff said...

Allison's house is preserved as part of the Buddy Holly Museum in downtown Lubbock. It's a fascinating museum, and a house tour is included. Allison's parents let the Crickets rehearse there, so that is where many of their songs came together. It is surreal (to use the Professor's word) because it was so very ordinary for the time and yet so tiny compared to today's typical houses. So much art and culture came together in that tiny, ordinary space.

Mike Sylwester said...
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Mike Sylwester said...

Yesterday in my blog about the movie Dirty Dancing I published an article titled The Change of Popular Music Between 1963 and 1987. The story takes place in 1963, and the movie was released in 1987.

The movie's soundtrack includes some songs from the years 1956-1963 and some new songs from the year 1987. So, my article addressed the differences and similarities of those two sets of songs.

* The two sets were similar in that they lacked the distorted electronic guitar that dominated the interval between 1963 and 1987.

* The two sets were different in that the 1956-1963 songs were accompanied by small-band instruments (guitars and drums) whereas the 1987 music was accompanied by music synthesizers.

My analysis was based largely on some YouTube videos that were made by a music-theory expert named David Bennett.

When Did Rock Stop Being Pop?

How the Beatles Used Modes

Four Inventive Key Changes in Pop Music

gg6 said...

Ann Althouse said...The Surrealist Manifesto says the aim of surrealism is to "resolve the previously contradictory conditions of dream and reality into an absolute reality, a super-reality."
Ah yes, a 'Manifesto' - that's what we wrap tomorrow's fish in, yes? Fact and fantasy? But I might compromise on "post-modern" vs 'surreal'.

Earnest Prole said...

In "Peggy Sue Got Married," Buddy Holly lets on that she's been the girl in nearly every one of his songs.

Defenseman Emeritus said...

Buddy & his prophetic flat-VI chord = Trump

The conventional I-IV-V chord progression = politics pre-Trump

The Beatles making similarly "bold" chord choices in songs like 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' = the Democrats' unhinged reaction to Trump

Extra credit to John for the 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' reference, given that the Left wants the government, media, and universities to be holding their hands at all times.

Known Unknown said...

"Girl on My Mind" is my favorite Holly song. You know, where the word Girl has 5 syllables.

Defenseman Emeritus said...

Actually I'll take a do-over:

Buddy and his prophetic flat 6th = still Trump

The conventional I-IV-V chord progression = the Kavanaugh pick, given that he's a garden-variety G.W. Bush moderate conservative

The Beatles making similarly "bold" chord choices = the Democrats' unhinged reaction to the Kavanaugh pick

'I Want to Hold Your Hand' = the Left / Democrat Senators offering to comfort / hold the hands of all the women traumatized by the prospect of Kavanaugh overturning Roe v. Wade (and of course re-traumatized by the idea of a Credibly Accused™ rapist on the court)

M Jordan said...

When I was young and learning music theory on my own I thought the F to Em in “Yesterday” was friggin’ genius.

Etienne said...
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dustbunny said...

Thanks for the correction tcrosse,I hadn’t had my coffee. Peggy Sue Got Married and traveled to the past to find her father bought an Edsel.

tcrosse said...

Not being a music theorist, my favorite Beatles key change was "She came in through the bathroom window" at the end of Abbey Road. For my money it's right up there with the organ break in Del Shannon's Runaway.

The Crack Emcee said...

AJ Lynch said...

"I've been to Lubbock. Booming economy, university town, really nice people. One of its notable products is NFL quarterbacks groomed at Texas Tech."

I worked there with a friend for a while. Even lived just out of town for a few months. I nearly killed myself from the boredom, the religion, the sad state of Buddy Holly's grave. Most of the people I met had just gotten out of prison for doing stupid shit, and I worked on the campuses, so that was an eye-opener. Oh - and I got stopped for speeding one time - $114.00 they demanded I pay in person weeks later.

I don't know how y'all do it.

Mike Sylwester said...

Recently I watched on PBS a four-part documentary about the history of Latin music in the USA.

Much of the third part described the short career of Ritchie Valens, who died with Buddy Holly in the airplane crash.

Valens was only 17 years old, but he already had demonstrated himself to be a pop-music genius. Valens was a horrible loss to American music.

Comanche Voter said...

Ah Cindy Lou became Peggy Sue. There's a tradition here. A somewhat contemporaneous hit (althuogh a bit of a one hit wonder) was Robin Luke's "Susie Darling".

Luke was a high school boy in Honolulu who dated a lot of girls. When he wrote "You were all the world to me, all my dreams come true", he had a bit of a problem. What name to use? He couldn't use one of his girlfriend's names--the others would get ticked off.

So he made the safe choice---his little sister Susie--all of three years old at the time, became "Susie Darling".

And yes the original recording was done in the living room of a small apartment. The percussion instrument used for the recording was an empty cardboard box.

And Mike Sylvester, I agree that Richie Valens was a terrible loss. OTOH it was Waylon Jennings who gave up his seat to Richie Valens on that small plane that crashed on takeoff at Clear Lake Iowa. Waylon or Richie? A tough choice and a terrible loss in either case.

tim in vermont said...

Has a consensus been reached yet what's that chord at the start of "Hard Day's Night?”

In fact that mystery has yielded to Fourier analysis.

http://www.noiseaddicts.com/2008/11/beatles-hard-days-night-mystery-chord-solved/

tim in vermont said...

Who knew that I’ve Got a Feeling was about gang rape?

Oh, please believe me
I'd hate to miss the train
Oh, yeah (yeah)
Oh, yeah!
And if you leave me
I won't be late again
Oh, no
Oh, no!
Oh, no
Yeah, yeah
I've got a feeling
Yeah
I got a feeling

Darrell said...

How about My Baby Takes The Morning Train?

FullMoon said...



A carport! There was an idea that you wanted to see your car when you looked out the living room window. A Nash Rambler!

I gots your Nash Rambler song right here

mikee said...

The lesbian version of "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" in Across the Universe is a delightful rendition of that classic. I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys love songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLRe-NSVWk

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I think that Paul McCartney was more influenced by the sophisticated music of Tin Pan Alley types. He said in an interview that he wanted to be Fred Astaire growing up.

They specifically chose the name Beatles as an homage to the Crickets. McCartney might have been influenced by a lot of things growing up, but when he and Nohn heard Buddy Holly they knew they wanted to capture the same “sound” and their name tells you just how strong the Cricket’s influence was. Plus Buddy was the archetypical singer songwriter, a rare bird before rock and roll graced the masses. The Beatles took that concept and ran with it. Ran like Runaround Sue.

tim in vermont said...

MIke,
I didn’t know that, and now that you mention it, it’s pretty clear in some of their early stuff.