August 18, 2018

The anti-Trump.

The Washington Post does a long piece on Jimmy Carter — how he and his wife Rosalynn live humbly in the poor little town where they were born —  that seems entirely about how he is not Donald Trump. There are lots of good details and photographs, and the humble style really is quite impressive, funny, and touching — I cried! — but the whole thing is marred by the intention to criticize Donald Trump:
His simple lifestyle is increasingly rare in this era of President Trump, a billionaire with gold-plated sinks in his private jet, Manhattan penthouse and Mar-a-Lago estate....
But Carter is a contrast to all the other Presidents:
Carter is the only president in the modern era to return full-time to the house he lived in before he entered politics — a two-bedroom rancher assessed at $167,000, less than the value of the armored Secret Service vehicles parked outside....

Their house is dated, but homey and comfortable, with a rustic living room and a small kitchen. A cooler bearing the presidential seal sits on the floor in the kitchen — Carter says they use it for leftovers.
Anyway, I loved the details, like the "thick layer of butter" here:
As Carter spreads a thick layer of butter on a slice of white bread, he is asked whether he thinks, especially with a man who boasts of being a billionaire in the White House, any future ex-president will ever live the way Carter does.

“I hope so,” he says. “But I don’t know.”
But I hated the effort of dragging anti-Trumpism out of Carter, who otherwise has so much to offer in the form of showing by example. And yet, there is criticism of Carter, in that perhaps these things that read as so good in a citizen of a small town made him a terrible President:
His farmhouse youth during the Great Depression made him unpretentious and frugal. His friends, maybe only half-joking, describe Carter as “tight as a tick.”

That no-frills sensibility, endearing since he left Washington, didn’t work as well in the White House. Many people thought Carter scrubbed some of the luster off the presidency by carrying his own suitcases onto Air Force One and refusing to have “Hail to the Chief” played.

Stuart E. Eizenstat, a Carter aide and biographer, said Carter’s edict eliminating drivers for top staff members backfired. It meant that top officials were driving instead of reading and working for an hour or two every day.
We see Carter teaching "Sunday school" at the Maranatha Baptist Church, but there's no God or Jesus in the WaPo description:
He walks in wearing a blazer too big through the shoulders, a striped shirt and a turquoise bolo tie. He asks where people have come from, and from the pews they call out at least 20 states, Canada, Kenya, China and Denmark.... He talks about living a purposeful life, but also about finding enough time for rest and reflection....

155 comments:

David Begley said...

I cried for what Carter did to our economy.

Wilbur said...

I do commune with Jimmuh on one thing - I grew up without money in my pocket unless I made it myself. I hate to see money wasted.

But the point about the Cabinet Secretaries driving themselves was illustrative. A classic example of virtue signaling.

JohnJMac862 said...

Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and 3 years of failed economic policy, I will give Carter credit for seeing the light circa 1979. He appointed Greenspan, started the military build-up, and deregulated beer, trucking and airlines. His ideas actually anticipated the Reagan era.

That change of course based on evidence NEVER happened with Obama, a narcissist incapable of changing course, even with evidence of overwhelming failure.

Just checking - has any intrepid member of the MSM compared Carter's legit frugality to, say, Clinton and Obama, both of which got rich off of public service vs. Trump who was rich BEFORE he took office?

Didn't think so.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

Yesterday afternoon, I was listening to the Finebaum Show on my car radio and the topic had to do with scandals now happening at Ohio State and Maryland. Without getting into the details of all that, they led the show with an interview with a reporter who had written a piece saying that both football head coaches had failed as coaches and human beings and should be fired. About 30 seconds into the interview of the reporter, due to her condescending tone and other subtle ques I picked up, I predicted that she would drag Trump into it. A few minutes later she remarked that she was only 4 blocks from the White House, as she did the interview, and with the toxic environment blah blah blah, her father had been a Republican leader in Ohio when she was growing up but blah blah blah. Unreal. Trump was responsible somehow for Urban Meyer not firing a coach who allegedly beat up his wife.

The Crack Emcee said...

"We see Carter teaching "Sunday school" at the Maranatha Baptist Church, but there's no God or Jesus in the WaPo description"

Why would that be expected?

"Sally Quinn—the hotshot journalist turned wife of legendary Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee turned gatekeeper of Washington society turned religion columnist and about-to-turn evangelist for mysticism, magic, and the divine...outs herself as a believer in the occult and as an erstwhile practitioner of voodoo,...anxious friends wonder: Are you sure you want to share that?"

When a newspaper doesn't admit it's been conned, then it's in on the scam. The WaPo is in on the scam.

Lyle said...

You can write the exact same story about Donald Rumsfeld.

The Godfather said...

A humble man with plenty to be humble about.

Robert J. said...

So Trump the entrepreneur, who has created jobs and livelihoods for thousands of families through his own enterprise, is bad, and Carter living off his public pension is good. Got it.

JohnJMac862 said...

As a child of the 1970s, my image of Carter will always be the weak man in a sweater amid the backdrop of yellow ribbons.

Bob Boyd said...

D = Good
R = Bad
Trump = Really Bad

AllenS said...

The only thing that I remember about Carter, is how he was attacked by a rabbit, and freaked out.

"President Trump, a billionaire with gold-plated sinks in his private jet, Manhattan penthouse and Mar-a-Lago estate...."

After his Presidency, Trump will return to his roots, also.

Jon said...

I believe W lives in a home much humbler than he lived in while growing up - his "ranch" in Texas.

Carter should be living in a cave to satisfy the Post's criterion.

etbass said...

We could have nipped Iran in the bud back during the hostage crisis if Carter had taken military action that was justified by the criminal action against our embassy. But he feared that embassy people might be killed so rather than take a few casualties and restore normal government to Iran, we allowed it to become the engine of several decades of terrorism and thousands have been killed. Plus we are threatened with nuclear war by that same regime.

He brought shame on the U.S.

Ryan said...

Carter has prole jacket gape.

Comanche Voter said...

Obama did do one generous thing in his life. He took the title of "worst President ever" away from Jimmy Carter.

Carter has lived in a modest, indeed humble, fashion post Presidency--and has done some good works,i.e. Habitat for Humanity. But every now and then Jimmy has gone off the reservation and some some hubristic things, interfering in foreign policy where he should have kept silent.

Of course Obama has retreated to his wanna be roots--living in an $8 million house in Washington D.C.

Bob Boyd said...

Whenever I think of Carter I remember a Doonesbury cartoon, one character asking another about lessons learned after the failed hostage rescue attempt in Iran. The punch line was, "You don't skimp on helicopters."
Not really funny, but apt. Sort of sums up the Carter years.

Amadeus 48 said...

It is the priggish sanctimoniousness of Carter that always irks me. It is part of his brand.

rehajm said...

Does he have wealth or did he acquire wealth and give it away? If not, to me that level of living modestly means economically you never could figure it out. It implies ignorance- or stupidity.

Drago said...

"...how he and his wife Rosalynn live humbly in the poor little town where they were born..."

You can just smell the Trump support there...

traditionalguy said...

The Carters are 100% phonies.And they are very proud of their Southern Baptist elite of the elite shtick. In a small town in SW Georgia the population distributes among the two or three elite families and all the rest are the poor ignorant laborers who better know their place.

It's just another power game based on deception of the gullible. At least Trump is being real.

Anonymous said...

@ Crack re 7:16

Bullseye..but I don't know if Sally Quinn is con or farce.

Bob Boyd said...

Why do they need a cooler for left-overs?
I bet there were Trump Steaks thawing in there.

Tommy Duncan said...

I will always associate Jimmy Carter with my first home mortgage at 12.5% interest.

Jimmy taught me that a degree in nuclear engineering is not a predictor of success in non-engineering endeavors.

His Presidency taught helped me understand how carefully presidential candidates are packaged and promoted by the media.

Bob Boyd said...

"I don't know if Sally Quinn is con or farce"

If she was handling snakes we'd know she was the real deal. As Jesse Jackson used to say, "You won't see a fake with a poison snake."

readering said...

Haters gonna hate.

Skipper said...

A fitting end of life for a failed President.

Ann Althouse said...

"I believe W lives in a home much humbler than he lived in while growing up - his "ranch" in Texas."

I don't think so. Here's the Architectural Digest article on the property where George and Laura live now — with slide show. I love the place — great windows, kitchen, guest house, pool. It's not extravagant, but it's ample, beautiful, and tasteful. It's not a distinct effort in humility like Carter's. If you take the words of Jesus seriously, you might think Carter is doing what is required and George is not.

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Sebastian said...

"humble style"

Riight. "Priggish sanctimoniousness" fits better.

"but there's no God or Jesus in the WaPo description"

Could be the description, or could be that the Christian Left doesn't need God.

Michael said...

Era of President Trump! Do they have cliche school at the Washington Post? This phrase is a staple.

The Crack Emcee said...

etbass said...

"We could have nipped Iran in the bud back during the hostage crisis if Carter had taken military action that was justified by the criminal action against our embassy."

He tried a rescue mission. I know - I was there, in the Indian Ocean, and an acquaintance died in the attempt. We were ready to go to war, I thought, but were demoralized instead.

"He feared that embassy people might be killed so rather than take a few casualties and restore normal government to Iran, we allowed it to become the engine of several decades of terrorism and thousands have been killed."

If you mean we didn't really storm the place, guns blazing with lots of cover fire, then no. It was just a few helicopters, Blackhawk Down style. They actually crashed into each other.

"We are threatened with nuclear war by that same regime."

Ahh. We, here at home, make too much of this shit. Nothing's as fraught as the media makes it.

"He brought shame on the U.S."

Come on. The U.S. is pretty shameful without Carter. (Harvey Milk called Carter to say what a great man the cult leader, Jim Jones was, but he gets better press than Carter.) Was Carter the wrong man for the job? Maybe. But so was Truman. So were a lot of guys, in hindsight. Each handing their BS to the next, because "We The People" are too BS to assume responsibility ourselves, even for electing them. And definitely not for mangling our history. Not yet, anyway.

Carter's a nice guy (a nice white guy) and I wish him well.

Mike Sylwester said...

The word Maranatha is an Aramaic word that means “the Lord is coming” or “come, O Lord.”

The early church faced much persecution, and life for a Christian under Roman rule was not easy. The Romans required everyone to declare that Caesar was god. ...

Living under those adverse conditions, the believers’ morale was lifted by the hope of the coming of the Lord. “Maranatha!” became the common greeting of the oppressed believers, replacing the Jewish greeting shalom (“peace”).

The followers of Jesus knew there would be no peace because Jesus had told them so (Matthew 10:34; Luke 12:51). But they also knew the Lord would be returning to set up His kingdom, and from that truth they drew great comfort. They were constantly reminding and being reminded that the Lord is coming (Luke 21:28; Revelation 22:12). Jesus taught several parables on this same theme of watching and waiting and being prepared for His return (Matthew 25:1-13; Luke 12:35-40).

https://www.gotquestions.org/maranatha.html

Michael said...

W lives in Highland Park in Dallas. Not flashy, but rich.

Hagar said...

Jimmy Carter is not "humble" and the good people of Plains, Georgia probably resent the description of their town as "poor."

Sebastian said...

"The anti-Trump."

Right. Jimmah vs. the Donald on the Norks: compare and contrast.

Oso Negro said...

The only Democrat I ever voted for. Never again.

mccullough said...

The contrast isn’t between Trump and Carter. It’s between Carter and the other ex-presidents. They’ve all cashed in by giving speeches, etc to the boys whose water they carried during their presidency. So give props to Carter for not cashing in. He’s a bit ostentatious about his righteousness, but he’s better than the Bushes, Clinton, and Obamas. They’ll sell out Americans for a few dollars more.

Fernandinande said...

"I thought we would do a little song now for, uh, Jimmy Carter. Poor old Jimmy Carter, the Charlie Brown of American politics. You know, when you think about it, you don't hear an awful lot of Jimmy Carter songs, so I thought "Well, I'll fill that gap."

President Carter got into his boat
Wasn't in a hurry; wanted to float
Think about the country, think about sin
Along swum a rabbit and he tried to climb in
And what did Jimmy say?

I don't want a bunny-wunny in my widdle wow boat
In my widdle wow boat in the pond
For the bunny might be crazy and he bite me in the twoat
In my widdle wow boat in the pond


I don't want a bunny-wunny in my widdle wow boat
In my widdle wow boat in the pond
For the bunny might be crazy and he bite me in the twoat
In my widdle wow boat

....

President Carter saved the day
Splashed with a paddle; rabbit swam away
Jimmy was a hero, felt it in his bones
Said in the words of John Paul Jones
Said in the words of John Paul:

I don't want a bunny-wunny in my widdle wow boat
In my widdle wow boat in the pond
For the bunny might be crazy and he bite me in the twoat
In my widdle wow boat in the pond
In my widdle wow boat in the pond

Fernandinande said...

It was actually an invasive Red-tailed Russian swamp hare (Lepus sovieticus).

Michael said...

Careful with Carter's "humility." He has done nothing to disabuse the idea that he invented Habitat for Humanity.

Michael K said...

I suspect this article is BS. Home mortgages were 18 to 20% in 1979. Not for long but they were.

To be fair, much of that was the 1974 Watergate Congress. If there were a real "red wave" this year, we would be headed back to it.

I give Carter credit for Volcker.

As for humility, the only comment I have read about them, at least Roslyn, was that she was amazed on Inauguration Day, that Nancy Reagan knew the Secret Service agent's first name. He had been with them since the election.

Roslyn didn't know an agent's name after four years. Little things you rarely get to see.

Fernandinande said...

the armored Secret Service vehicles parked outside

All because of that rabbit attack.

Freder Frederson said...

We could have nipped Iran in the bud back during the hostage crisis if Carter had taken military action that was justified by the criminal action against our embassy. But he feared that embassy people might be killed so rather than take a few casualties and restore normal government to Iran, we allowed it to become the engine of several decades of terrorism and thousands have been killed. Plus we are threatened with nuclear war by that same regime.

And how would we have accomplished military action with a "few casualties"? Would you have restored the Shah? He was hated and justifiably so. I do appreciate that you advocate restoring "normal" rather than "legitimate" government.

Fernandinande said...

He has done nothing to disabuse the idea that he invented Habitat for Humanity.

They should call it Rabbitat for Bunnanity.

Michael K said...

he’s better than the Bushes, Clinton, and Obamas. They’ll sell out Americans for a few dollars more.

I don't know about Bush. I've never been a fan but they pretty much had the same life style.

Reagan had his ranch before the Presidency.

Clinton and Obama define cashing in.

Larry J said...

I was in the military under Carter. He was an absolutely terrible CINC.

Mark said...

Carter was always pretentious and quite prideful of his humility.

Michael K said...

And how would we have accomplished military action with a "few casualties"?

The Field Marshal is back to instruct us.

The Joint Chiefs recommended taking out Kharg Island if the Iranians did not release the hostages.

Carter did nothing. He was responsible for bringing Khomeini back to Iran after Andrew Young described him as a "saint."

The Iranian generals said Carter "Threw the Shah out like a dead mouse."

Big Mike said...

Stuart E. Eizenstat, a Carter aide and biographer, said Carter’s edict eliminating drivers for top staff members backfired. It meant that top officials were driving instead of reading and working for an hour or two every day.

And a bit worse than that. Apparently Althouse has forgotten the long gas lines (though I have not). Key aide and Carter Chief of Staff Hamilton Jordan spent time in one, when he might otherwise have been at work, and wrote about it, noting that in his opinion if there were to be gas lines then Washington was the right place to have them (or words to that effect). I was a young Republican precinct chairman in a deep blue part of the very blue Maryland suburbs of DC, and I made sure the people in my precinct knew what Jordan had written. Reagan carried my precinct on 1980.

Seeing Red said...

But I hated the effort of dragging anti-Trumpism out of Carter, who otherwise has so much to offer in the form of showing by example. And yet, there is criticism of Carter, in that perhaps these things that read as so good in a citizen of a small town made him a terrible President:


It’s unusual Peanut didn’t have something to say since he opened his mouth from the get-go.

Mr. Malaise and we just lived thru that again that’s the last example I want for the country. What was he going to show, how to avoid killer rabbits? How to manage the WH tennis court times? Volcker was a great choice. Outside of that, Anne, you and I remember the 70s differently.

#nothanku

Freder Frederson said...

The Iranian generals said Carter "Threw the Shah out like a dead mouse."

The Shah didn't deserve to be treated much better than a dead mouse. He was a brutal and corrupt Dictator.

But he was our guy, so he must have been a good guy.

Ralph L said...

Truman went back to his mother-in-law's house. Now that's humility.

Ralph L said...

Reagan had his ranch before the Presidency.

Yeah, but they bought a new house in Pacific Palisades.

Oso Negro said...

@ Freder - And what came after the Shah was better for the average Iranian? Military program with minimal casualties: Day 1 release the hostages or we take out an oil facility. Day 2 release the hostages or lose the Holy City of Qom. Day 3 release the hostages or lose Tehran. Crisis solved. Future casualties minimized.

Freder Frederson said...

The Joint Chiefs recommended taking out Kharg Island if the Iranians did not release the hostages.

And other than getting the hostages killed and producing a huge oil spill, this would have accomplished what, exactly?

Seeing Red said...

But he was our guy, so he must have been a good guy.


Was he better than what came after? Are they better off now?

mockturtle said...

Did the article also point out that Carter was one of the worst presidents in US history? Or does it not matter? The real point is that he's not Trump.

Freder Frederson said...

Day 1 release the hostages or we take out an oil facility. Day 2 release the hostages or lose the Holy City of Qom. Day 3 release the hostages or lose Tehran. Crisis solved. Future casualties minimized.

You do know that day 2 and day 3 are war crimes (not to mention that losing Tehran would mean we kill the hostages, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face)

RMc said...

there's no God or Jesus in the WaPo description

There is no God but Bezos.

RMc said...

You do know that day 2 and day 3 are war crimes

And taking innocent people hostage and torturing them isn't?

To the Freders of the world, America is always the bad guy.

Freder Frederson said...

And taking innocent people hostage and torturing them isn't?

Didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

And the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent people (the combined population of the two cities is 9 million) seems a little excessive response to the kidnapping of 52 people.

To the Freders of the world, America is always the bad guy.

If we let Oso Negro decide our foreign policy, we would indeed always be the bad guy.

Kelly said...

Right after Carter became President my family was traveling down to Florida and for some reason my step dad decided to find Plains Georgia. Plains was barely even a map dot and we drove and drove and drove. Finally in the late afternoon we found it. I remember a dusty railroad crossing, silos and a four way stop and a couple of ramshackle stores on Main Street . We knew we found the house because of the secret service waving us on. Just a modest ranch set back off the road. Ugh. Road trips were the worst with my family.

Freder Frederson said...

and for some reason my step dad decided to find Plains Georgia.

Haven't been to Plains but have been to that part of Georgia (not voluntarily but for work). It ain't the end of the earth, but you sure can see it from there.

wwww said...



Carter is a type of masculine politician that has faded. Like John Glenn, not many are church deacons or see a duty to teach Sunday school or lead Roatary or other community or charity organizations.

The republican ideal that any respectable adult can be equal in worth. Small r-republican citizens take pride in schlepping our own suitcases. We don't have a society of little entitled children princes like China. America didn't want a group of children who avoid the normal rules and budge in line at the airport. It's more honourable to carry your own suitcase. Or we didn't, maybe we do now.

National politicians today are me me me me me me. All about the $$ and the big lobbying jobs. They are public servants but they think they are entitled princes.

Unknown said...

Why aren't they comparing him with

Obama, the Black Carter

Our Black Jesus has a new $8 million house in DC.

Michael K said...

The Shah didn't deserve to be treated much better than a dead mouse. He was a brutal and corrupt Dictator.

The Field Marshal is back with more wisdom.

How many times have you been to Iran Field Marshal ?

A medical school classmate of mine who has left Iran during the Shah's reign decided, after medical school, that he wanted to go back and see his parents who still lived in Tehran. So he took his American wife (whose name is Dixie) and his American kids, to Tehran.

They arrived at the airport and the SAVAK took him to an interview room in the airport. They gave him a choice. He could get back on the airplane and go back to New York; or he could stay and do his one year of military service and be free to visit his parents.

He chose to stay and did a year of medical service in an oil field. There, he learned to play golf. The course was all snd. They carried a piece of Astroturf with them and the greens were oiled sand. He still plays golf.

You know so little and get all your information from leftist sources that know no more than you do.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Carter is the only president in the modern era to return full-time to the house he lived in before he entered politics

Really? Truman?

Upon leaving the presidency, Truman returned to Independence, Missouri, to live at the Wallace home he and Bess had shared for years with her mother.

Granted that was the 1950's and while it doesn't seem "modern" to the know nothings who are journalists today, there are many of us still alive from those times.

BTW: Truman did not have a big fat pension either. Unlike Carter who gets $205,700 a year...every year. PLUS additional expenses for maintaining an office and 'other' expenses. I believe Carter got something like over Half a MILLION dollars, in one year.

Once out of office, Truman quickly decided that he did not wish to be on any corporate payroll, believing that taking advantage of such financial opportunities would diminish the integrity of the nation's highest office. He also turned down numerous offers for commercial endorsements. Since his earlier business ventures had proved unsuccessful, he had no personal savings. As a result, he faced financial challenges. Once Truman left the White House, his only income was his old army pension: $112.56 per month.[260] Former members of Congress and the federal courts received a federal retirement package; President Truman himself ensured that former servants of the executive branch of government received similar support. In 1953, however, there was no such benefit package for former presidents,[261] and he received no pension for his Senate service.[

Truman was just about bankrupt until Congress passed a former President's pension act.

This article explains some of the extra funding. Obama even got 1 million dollars to brief the incoming administration....Trump. Some joke huh?

I am not impressed by Carter or feel anything but scorn for his supposed frugality while he is receiving more money than many people may make in their LIFE.

History Bitches. Learn it.

Michael K said...

this would have accomplished what, exactly?

This kind of stupidity is hard to answer.

Freder Frederson said...

He chose to stay and did a year of medical service in an oil field. There, he learned to play golf. The course was all snd. They carried a piece of Astroturf with them and the greens were oiled sand. He still plays golf.

So your story about a draftee learning to play golf demonstrates the Shah's benevolence how?

mccullough said...

W has cashed in. He gives speeches. His grandparents were rich. His kids are rich.

Lot of Saudi money enriched the Bushes. Oil men. W made sure to protect the Saudis after 9/11. So the fucking moron invaded Iraq even though the Saudis were complicit in 9/11. Keep the Saudi money flowing to the Bush family. Obama getting some of it, too. The Saudis, like the Chinese, buy a lot of US politicians. They owned the Bushes.

Freder Frederson said...

This kind of stupidity is hard to answer.

Which is why I posed the question. Blowing shit up doesn't always work out as planned.

Michael K said...

Freder, you are so ignorant and so unaware of it that there is no common fund of information.

It is like trying to explain calculus to a second grader who does not know multiplication.

You seem to think you know something about these things then spout the stuff you could read in The Nation.

You have previously demonstrated appalling ignorance about military and foreign affairs.

Why not comment about things you know, like music or art. I assume you know something about something.

The Crack Emcee said...

Trump at 36 percent approval among African-Americans, a new poll finds, and we all dance to my song about Democrats when we're together.

MacMacConnell said...

Carters family has been in Plains Ga. since before the Revolution, that family farm was a plantation. Yes Jimmy lived trough the depression in rural Ga., but his family was better off and better connected than everyone in Plains. Jimmy himself own 4 or 5 rental homes at the age of 15. His family owned the only general store , the only peanut warehouse and the farm, but they were dirt poor. They also seemed to have bankers that played loose with the rules. Anyone whose grown up in small rural towns know these people.
I don't hate Jimmy, but these kind of hagiographys smell like Hope, Arkansas.

Freder Frederson said...

You have previously demonstrated appalling ignorance about military and foreign affairs.

And you believe things that the Pentagon denies ever planning

Gk1 said...

Kudos to Ann for reading crap like this so I don't have to. Its good to know what the enemy is thinking and saying so its a little sad they have to go back and pine for a mediocrity like Carter to contrast with Trump. Yeah sure, he was a nice man but so is my dry cleaner but I wouldn't want him running the country.

Leland said...

Hard to miss that they had to go back to Jimmy Carter. It's not like the Clintons or Obamas are living anywhere close to their humble beginnings. Indeed, they had no declared home when their respective families occupied the White House. Neither went back to their pre-Presidential declared "home" state after their term.

I wonder if the Clintons have spent even a week in Arkansas since 1993.

mockturtle said...

IIRC, LBJ and Ladybird retired to their ranch in Texas. She was in residence when I visited there in the 90's.

Bob Boyd said...

"I wonder if the Clintons have spent even a week in Arkansas since 1993."

I think Bill goes back there.

From the Wikipedia page on Clinton's Presidential Library in Little Rock:
"A 2,000-square-foot private penthouse used by Clinton is located on the top (fifth) floor of the main building, one level above the public museum area. In 2007 the Clinton Foundation installed on the rooftop of the Presidential library the private “Rooftop Garden” with a golf course."

There is also a presidential cooler for leftovers.

Michael said...

But he did lose to Ronald Reagan, so something positive came out of the Carter administration.

Big Mike said...

Yeah sure, he was a nice man but so is my dry cleaner but I wouldn't want him running the country.

A lot of people bought into the “Carter is nice” schtick. You might ask someone who made the 1980 US Olympic team for a second opinion.

pchuck1966 said...

Carter was a bad president, plain and simple. No amount of bullshit can change that.

Michael K said...


Blogger Freder Frederson said...
You have previously demonstrated appalling ignorance about military and foreign affairs.

And you believe things that the Pentagon denies ever planning


Did you even read your link you fool ?

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man, if you are a man.

Big Mike said...

@Freder, the Pentagon has contingency plans for everything they can think of. They’re supposed to. You might be thrilled to see the Pentagon stumbling around for months in response to an attack or threat of attack, but the rest of us would like to know that there’s a coordinated plan sitting on some hard drive for getting warfighters into action, for supplying them, and for evacuating casualties and noncombatants, along with geopolitical considerations.

I suspect we even have a plan somewhere for what to do if Quebec invades Vermont and captures Bernie Sanders (pay them to keep him!)

Biotrekker said...

Jimmy Carter was one of America's worst Presidents, and now he is an anti-Israel apologist for Islamic terrorists. So, I don't give a sh*t what house he lives in.

Seeing Red said...

Truman was just about bankrupt until Congress passed a former President's pension act.


We toured his home. They tell you that and I think the sum was $25k.

Rick said...

Carter, who otherwise has so much to offer in the form of showing by example.

By breaking the traditional rule that ex-Presidents should stay out of politics and in particular not criticize his successors Carter is by far the worst American Ex-President.

buwaya said...

The Shah's government was an ordinary oriental despotism, like most of them East of Suez. The alternative to the despot us almost always someone worse, as wriggling under the blanket of suppression are a horde of demons.

These are all to some degree oppressive whether they are doing good or being benevolent, as they were, in the case of that doctor who had probably been sent to the US on the Iranian governments dime, in order to provide medical services for the poor. They made sure they got some use out of him.

It was the historical norm. Iran has never had a better government.

Freder Frederson said...

Did you even read your link you fool ?

Yes I did. Either you didn't or your reading comprehension sucks so I will post the pertinent section for you:

"The Pentagon's Rescue Mission Two plan had been rejected before Columnist Jack Anderson released on Aug. 18 a controversial column which said: "A startling, top secret plan to invade Iran with powerful military force has been prepared for President Carter . . . The tentative invasion date has been set suspiciously for mid-October. Sources say the president has assesed the political consequences and has concluded the invasion would be popular with the electorate." In a subsequent column for release Aug. 20 Anderson wrote that "the primary invasion target is Kharg Island in the Persian Gulf . . . ."


Pentagon officials insist their rescue mission plan bore no resemblance to the operation described by Anderson. Rescue Mission Two was never even formally recommended to the president."

I emphasized the denial since apparently you can't read very well.

tcrosse said...

Back in 1953 the press covered HST driving back to Missouri with Bess. There were pictures of him gassing up his own car for the trip.

tcrosse said...

More on Harry and Bess marvelous adventure

mockturtle said...

Buwaya posits: The alternative to the despot us almost always someone worse, as wriggling under the blanket of suppression are a horde of demons.

History bears this out time and time again. Pity no one reads it any more.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

"Carter Family"

cue the Carly Simon

Michael K said...

You idiot, Freder, what did that have to do with Kharg Island?

How do you remember to breathe ?

I wrote nothing about invading anyone. I would not have been in favor and you fool can't even remember who you are responding to.

Go away and play with yourself.

Michael K said...

as they were, in the case of that doctor who had probably been sent to the US on the Iranian governments dime,

No, he was a dissident who had left quietly. Another friend of mine in training escaped with his brother. They were not supporters of the Shah and my friend, who is still a friend 50 years after we graduated from medical school, was concerned that the SAVAK would be aware of his anti-Shah history.

My point was that, compared to the present regime or even Turkey, they were quite benign and only wanted him to serve his military service as an Iranian born male.

gilbar said...

DBQ said: Carter is the only president in the modern era to return full-time to the house he lived in before he entered politics Really? Truman?

Dust Bunny, please pay attention: History began at 00:00:01 this morning, therefore, the only Presidents that EXIST in 'the modern era' are the ones that are alive TODAY. And of those, Carter is the only....

mockturtle said...

Dust Bunny, please pay attention: History began at 00:00:01 this morning, therefore, the only Presidents that EXIST in 'the modern era' are the ones that are alive TODAY. And of those, Carter is the only....

Gilbar, I, too, forgot that important maxim. My mention of LBJ would fly right over the heads of millennials like a swift cloud.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Yes. History begins anew each day. Which means we are likely due to have a re-run of some of histories worst episodes.

Freder Frederson said...

I wrote nothing about invading anyone. I would not have been in favor and you fool can't even remember who you are responding to.

So where, other than from the monkeys flying out of your ass, did you learn that the "The Joint Chiefs recommended taking out Kharg Island if the Iranians did not release the hostages." I'm sure all kinds of schemes were hatched, but to say the Joint Chiefs recommended a certain course of action takes more evidence than just your say so.

Even if this was the recommended option my point still stands. We would have ended up with dead hostages and a huge oil spill with little else accomplished.

As for you friend, a perfectly reasonable alternate explanation was that he simply wasn't on SAVAK's radar as a dissident.

Ralph L said...

In case you! forgot, I brought up Truman first.

tcrosse said...

Ike retired to the Gettysburg farm he bought in 1950, while he was still in the Army.

dbp said...

The Iranians gave up the hostages as soon as Reagan took office. But sure, Carter with the same military at his disposal, was powerless to coerce the Iranians into cooperation.

I think the US military must have become substantially stronger within minutes of Reagan taking office.

bagoh20 said...

"The only Democrat I ever voted for. Never again."

Dito, and if the voting age was 21, I never would have made that mistake. I specifically voted against Reagan the first time, but he turned me around and set me straight. That single reversal is one of the most pivotal of my life. Once I became an adult, I realized that my family, my heritage, and my personal values had always been the conservative ones of today: hard work, self-sufficiency, tolerance, patriotism.

I would vote for a Democrat if there was one better than the Republican alternative and they were independent enough to buck the leadership. That hasn't happened yet, and it's getting less likely.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Bob Boyd said...

I think Bill goes back there.

He was reportedly at his Presidential Library digs when he and Hillary! had the cell phone screaming match about why she needed to campaign in Wisconsin.

bagoh20 said...

I don't think Presidents usually have much power to change things, but that isn't true of some of them who have strong leadership styles. Reagan's effect was like Trump's today. It was instantaneous becuase of the promise they project and the confidence people have in them really being the guy they seem to be. The Iranians, the Soviets, and the American public all responded to who they thought Reagan was. With both Reagan and Trump people around the world think the men are either crazy, or incredibly sly, but always willing to do what it takes. That quality moves mountains, and it's why this economic boom is all Trump, and none Obama, and it's why Trump will quickly accomplish things the last four President could not.

Freder Frederson said...

The Iranians gave up the hostages as soon as Reagan took office. But sure, Carter with the same military at his disposal, was powerless to coerce the Iranians into cooperation.

It's a nice myth that lionizes Saint Ronnie, but is basically bullshit

bagoh20 said...

Can you imagine how much weaker and ineffective Obama would have been if he had the Press treating him like they Treat Trump. That goes for any other recent President other than Reagan. The Bushes got treated pretty bad, but it was levels less intense and unhinged, even though they both Bushes started and executed foreign wars, which our press always opposes shortly after people start dying. So far, Trump is the least war-like since Carter.

MountainMan said...

My late father knew Jimmy Carter. They both went to junior college for a year in Americucs, GA, which is near Plains (my dad was from Albany). When I was in elementary school my dad had a sales job that required him to travel to that area and he would sometimes stop by the Carter Peanut Warehouse. One time Jimmy gave him a 5lb burlap bag of peanuts to bring home to us, i can still recall the letters stenciled on the front of the bag. But my dad admitted to me years later he didn't vote for him in either 1976 or 1980. He thought he would make a horrible president and he was right. Recalling a few comments he made about him I think my dad, like someone commented above, thought he was a little bit of a phony with his self-righteous image. I do admire him for returning to his home town and his own house and for continuing to be involved in the community, but that is about all.

gilbar said...

Well, if VOX says it's so, who are we to argue?

bagoh20 said...

"It's a nice myth that lionizes Saint Ronnie, but is basically bullshit"

That spin from VOX and others is just that, another way of spinning the facts. It suggests that Carter's negotiations just happened to bear fruit at the very last minute after many months of failure. It is true that the Iranians finally agreed on the day before Reagan took office, but why would they do it that day after so much resistance?

1) They wanted to deny Carter the win as President.
2) They did not want to risk dealing with the crazy man Reagan who might scratch the whole possibility of an agreement and just launch an attack.

You have to ignore the obvious to accpet that Reagan's taking office was not the main impetus for the Iranians.

Just imagine that you were in existential negotiations with someone and really needed an agreement, but that person was going to be replaced with someone who you believed to be much more erratic and likely to blow your chances at getting what you wanted, and you believed they were very likely to physically hurt you as well. You going to sign the day before that possibility arises, or wait? Reagan was the bad cop to Carter's good cop, but you have to have a convincing bad cop to pull that off.

Those pedaling the Carter-did-it spin are like the Anti-Trumpers. They simply can't give some guys credit for anything.

PhilD said...

What I remember of Carter is that he has a strange love for dictators, political correct dictators that is, and that he loves to legitimize their 'elections'.

dbp said...

It is an historical fact that the hostages were released on inauguration day. It is also an inevitable outcome that the release would go down with approximately that timing. The Iranians knew three things: 1. Once Reagan was in office, they would get nothing in exchange for the hostages. 2. Carter wanted the hostages returned while he was in office. 3. The longer they stretched things out, the better deal they would get. It was utterly predictable to every thinking person at the time, that the hostages would be set free either right before or right after Reagan took office. And it was predictable because we understood that Carter was weak and Reagan resolute.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I like to give Carter credit for self-deprecating humour. He said in all his career, he had never been successful at including a joke in his speeches, even though everyone advises to keep trying this. He didn't get laughs, it was just awkward. Then in Japan, with his words being translated with some delay, he told a joke and got a huge laugh. He asked the translator if he knew what had happened. The translator said: all I said was "the President of the United States has told a joke."

Trump's enemies give the impression that with his narcissism, he is unable to laugh at himself. This turns out (like any number of malicious charges) to be untrue. Gridiron dinner in early March:

"Trump also raised the not-necessarily-comedy-gold subject of the nuclear standoff with North Korea, saying: 'I won’t rule out direct talks with Kim Jong-un. I just won’t.' He added: 'As far as the risk of dealing with a madman is concerned, that’s his problem, not mine.'

Michael K said...

As for you friend, a perfectly reasonable alternate explanation was that he simply wasn't on SAVAK's radar as a dissident.

Finally you come up with something that makes sense. I didn't say he was. Just that he was concerned about it.

My point, which went completely over your head, was that the Shah, contrary to leftist mythology which has saddled us with terrorism for 50 years, is wrong. The left is still upset that the communist Mosaddegh wasn't able to take over Iran.

Michael K said...

It's a nice myth that lionizes Saint Ronnie, but is basically bullshit

Freder is keeping his record intact of foolish and ridiculous comments.

Good work, Field Marshal!

Jim at said...

As my politics were formed during the Carter years, I thank him for being a shitty President.

Big Mike said...

@dbp, almost the first thing Carter did after the hostage crisis was to publicly limit the options he would consider. Reagan made it clear that he would consider all options, presumably including nukes. Something in his position seems to have frightened the mullahs a bit.

Jim at said...

But he (the Shah) was our guy, so he must have been a good guy. - Freder

Well, your guys have been running the place since.
So, thanks.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Ralph L said...In case you! forgot, I brought up Truman first.

True, you did!!!...but that would require that I read all the comments first ;-)

Bob Boyd said...

I like to see a televised debate between Carter and Obama. The topic: Which of you two is the worst President in American history.

Freder Frederson said...

The Iranians knew three things: 1. Once Reagan was in office, they would get nothing in exchange for the hostages.

Turns out they were wrong about that. Reagan (or at least his administration) was quite willing to trade arms for hostages.

Bringing up Reagan's dealings with the Iranians really wasn't such a good idea.

Oso Negro said...

@ Freder - The war started when the hostages were seized. We bombed the living shit out of the Germans and Japanese. Who was gonna do a goddamn thing about it if we bombed the Iranians? They grabbed our people on nominal U.S. territory. And, yes, the hostages are likely casualties of Day 3. But the Iranians smarten up something wonderful and we probably avoid YEARS of bullshit that followed.

Freder Frederson said...

We bombed the living shit out of the Germans and Japanese.

And we changed the Geneva Conventions after the war to specifically prohibit the indiscriminate bombing of civilians.

tcrosse said...

And we changed the Geneva Conventions after the war to specifically prohibit the indiscriminate bombing of civilians.

The Vietnamese and Cambodians didn't get the memo.

dbp said...

Freder, so predictable: I knew you would not be able to resist bringing up arms for hostages!

A freshly elected first term president is not the same animal as one who has been worn down by the accretions of experience. I have not doubt that if the Iranians had been foolhardy enough to still have hostages when he took office, they would have gained either nothing or military attack in exchange for them.

0_0 said...

Carter also raised military pay a larger percentage than almost anyone, ever; junior enlisted were living in poverty before him.

I disagreed with him on some big singular issues, but I still respect him.

Michael K said...

Poor Freder. No smarter for having smart people around him.

Without the communist loving Democrats like Dodd and Boland, there would have been no need for subterfuge in supplying the contras.

How is Nicaragua doing with the Ortegas these days ?.

Bilwick said...

I took Carter's measure while reading an interview with him. I had heard of Carter, "He never met a dictator he didn't like," and in this interview he confirmed that by pooh-poohing people who speak harshly of dictators. As I can best recall, he said something like, "Some of those people we call 'dictators' are the most enlightened, progressive people in the world." That phrase, "Some of those people we CALL dictators. . . " Damn us to hell, libeling people who put dissidents in jail and political foes up against the firing-squad walls! Those women in rape rooms were no doubt just asking for it!

Oddly, fans of President Peanut-brain who would excuse his weak spot for dictators are probably railing against Trump for being too friendly with Putin. And so it goes. . . .


Bilwick said...

Jim wrote: "As my politics were formed during the Carter years, I thank him for being a shitty President."

I remember in 1980 talking with a couple of libertarian friends who were overjoyed, not so much at Reagan's victory, but at Carter's defeat. The one thing they said about Carter was that he was such a jerk he turned a lot of people in a pro-freedom direction. Mister, we could use a man like Jimmy Carter again!

Earnest Prole said...

Bad President, good man. From what I can tell, there is no causal relationship between leadership and personal morality. Exhibit A: Trump.

gilbar said...

Earnest Prole said...
Bad President, good man. From what I can tell, there is no causal relationship between leadership and personal morality. Exhibit A: Trump

I'm not sure truer words have Ever been spoken
Exhibit B: Herbert Hoover, probably THE moralist, bestest man ever to be President. Lousy President

Big Mike said...

@Bob Boyd, neither. James Buchanan (#15) was worst. I put Obama second-worst and Carter third-worst. Lyndon Johnson was also surely in the bottom ten, maybe the bottom five.

Ralph L said...

My first college summer job was with the part of DoE then worsening the gas crisis of '79. That made me more politically aware but somewhat directionless until NR and Reagan showed up Carter (and state control) even more than his obvious weakness.

buwaya said...

Reagan assisted the Iranians more than a year after the start of the Iran-Iraq war, when the Iraqis began to threaten oil facilities. The last thibg the US government wanted was high oil prices. It was US national strategy to keep these low in order to immiserate the Soviet Union.

Almost all the aid the US permitted Iran, and to be clear this was indeed essential to keeping Iran in the fight, was air defense parts and munitions supplied through Israel.

The nature and effect of this is not commonly known and runs counter to the formulaic bleating that the US backed Iraq. US policy was to keep either from winning a decisive victory.

Ref details - my main source is "Iran Iraq War in the Air 1980-1988", Cooper and Bishop, which is useful for the dynamic of that part of this conflict, which is surprisingly poorly documented on the whole. But there are other sources on the aid question. This book is important, I think, to clarify the purpose of this aid and its effect.

The Cooper&Bishop book is long out of print and copies are very expensive.

rcocean said...

Yep. Jimmy Carter was a great guy, salt of the earth, probably a good Governor - but a Terrible POTUS - and that's all that matters.

Smart people don't care that a President carries his own suits, or prays every day, or spends his spare time teaching blind kids to read. We want him to make the *right* decisions on Foreign Policy, the economy, etc. Carter - like Bush I - was always making the wrong decisions on almost everything.

And People forget that if you opposed Jimmy Carter - like Reagan did - Good ol' Jimmy was NOT a nice guy. In fact, he wasn't above lying about Reagan, calling him a racist, etc. There's a story that when all the ex-Presidents went to help Clinton pass NAFTA or some such legislation, no one talked to Carter, because he was such an asshole.

IOW, he was just like Phony Mitt Romney. Who every also thinks is a "swell fellow".

rcocean said...

I wonder why all our ex-presidents are now living so long?

LBJ died at 65. FDR at 62. Ike at 78. Nixon at 80. But Bush and Carter are almost 95 and still going strong. Same with Bob Dole.

Imagine Bill Clinton getting Lewinsky's in 2040. That's what its coming to.

Ralph L said...

Carter also raised military pay a larger percentage than almost anyone, ever; junior enlisted were living in poverty before him.

Not considering inflation.
My father retired in 1980 but would have had significantly more retired pay if he'd retired a couple years sooner (COLA for retirees, actives lost against inflation), or later (Reagan's active duty increase in 82).

readering said...

Finally saw RBG this morning at movies. Carter first appointed her to the bench. Before his term hardly any women appointed to federal bandh. He made 16 per cent of his judges women. She was appointed during his final year. I recommend the film.

todd galle said...

I remember the gas crisis, with even/odd numbered days for buying gas. I was 15 and saving for a car. We had a gas station on a busy intersection corner by our house. Me and a buddy would buy 50 newspapers and make gallons of coffee in the morning, and put it into a wagon and sell along the lines of parked cars waiting to get into the station. Then in the afternoons, we'd buy the afternoon papers (this is when Philly had the Evening Bulletin), and make iced tea and lemonade and do the rounds again. I was eventually able to buy a bitchin' 1973 Ford Torino station wagon, baby blue, that I found could fit 14 people. I was on the edge of political understanding, but I could understand the opportunity. My first vote was for Reagan in 84.

Molly said...

(eaglebeak)

I agree with Biotrekk on Carter being wildly anti-Israel--to the point of anti-Semitism.

Also agree with PhilD that he has a strange affection for dictators (Cuba, N Korea), etc. Remember when Carter went to North Korea and struck a deal without Clinton admin agreeing?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1994/06/18/white-house-disputes-carter-on-north-korea/ca1511d4-4fd3-401e-b199-57267cf7f447/?utm_term=.51ab9527ad93

Also agree with numerous posters here that his humility is prideful. Typical hilarious quote: "I happen to have an advantage there because I am a nuclear physicist by training and a deeply committed Christian." (HuffPo, 3-19-2012)

(He had been asked about how he reconciled Genesis 1:1 and science.)

Many people would just start talking about that--but not Carter. He has to tell you why his opinion will be more valuable, better informed, than yours.

Ugh.

Molly said...

(eaglebeak)

Sorry--Biotrekker, not Biotrekk

Robert Cook said...

”Careful with Carter's ‘humility.’ He has done nothing to disabuse the idea that he invented Habitat for Humanity.”

Who has ever promulgated or ever believed that idea?

Robert Cook said...

The Iranians didn’t release the hostages on Reagan’s inauguration because they were so fearful of “crazy Ronnie,” but because they were making deals with Ronnie.

Michael K said...


Blogger Robert Cook said...
The Iranians didn’t release the hostages on Reagan’s inauguration because they were so fearful of “crazy Ronnie,” but because they were making deals with Ronnie.


Back on your meds, Cookie. NOW !

Next you'll be arrested for running through the streets naked.

I suppose you are buying Gary Sicks's old sick lie about SR 71s?

Michael K said...

"I am a nuclear physicist by training and a deeply committed Christian."

He never qualified as a nuke officer. That is a lie. He was only qualified as a surface warfare officer.

M Jordan said...

My evolution on Jimmy Carter:

1. Jimmy Who?
2. I vote for him in my first presidential vote.
3. This is gett8ng old.
4. Jimmy, you’re an idiot.
5. Yeah, yeah, I know you build houses for Habitat.
6. Worst president ever.
7. Meh.
8. You know, he actually was a good guy.
9. You ‘now, I think he actually doesn’t hate Trump.
10. Meh.

dmacdonald said...

Truman returned to his earlier home and lived modestly, and Calvin Coolidge likely did. Others, like the Roosevelts and Kennedys, did not have this problem. It really does not matter, but the "log cabin" myth is still strong in American politics. Note Ocasio-Cortez's need to demonstrate her non-existent humble beginnings in the Bronx.

Joshua said...

@JohnJMac862: I don't think Carter appointed Greenspan to anything; from what I can find, Greenspan spent the entire Carter administration in the private sector. Carter did appoint Paul Volcker to the Federal Reserve, and Volcker was good enough to get reappointed by Reagan.

Cynthea said...

The Carter's aren't "choosing" to live humbly. They are poor. He never figured out how to make money. He had a government license to make money selling peanuts, the only plant more prolific than the weed, marijuana, and which are heavily controlled to keep the price up. And after 4 years in the White House, he left broke because he couldn't find someone to manage that. This is a sad commentary on men who can't create wealth, jobs, or associate with those who do. Trump spent 40 years rubbing elbows with successful men so he could hear how they did it, and what was holding them back from do it more. Sign.
Cooler with the POTUS symbol? How gouache.

donald said...

Rosalyn Carter is a nasty piece of work. I know this from personal experience. Coretta Scott King nasty.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

We see Carter teaching "Sunday school" at the Maranatha Baptist Church, but there's no God or Jesus in the WaPo description

I have been to a Sunday school class Carter taught at Maranatha and the service after that. I can assure you there was plenty of God and Jesus talk. It's a nice little church and I recommend everyone to attend if they're able.

BLBeamer said...

According to the memoirs of a former Secret Service agent, Jimmuh only carried his own suitcase when the cameras were running - and it was an empty suitcase at that.

Jeff H said...

I have never been particularly impressed by Carter's alleged Christian (Baptist) credentials. His distinct animus toward Israel and baseless fawning over Arab terrorists smells of rancid antisemitism. Not particularly becoming of someone who claims to bear the name of Christ. We all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory and His expectations for us. I just think Carter should be willing to give Jews a fair shake, rather than boldly siding with those who's stated goal is the ethnic cleansing of the Middle East--and the wider world--of all Jews.

zefal said...

The washington post is still alive? I remenber perusing Theodore White’s book on the 1980 election. A couple of things I remember that showed how phony carter’s humility was. One was he had the Hail to the Chief muic stopped being played while he entered the room until one time he had entered a State Dinner a few minutes after ted kennedy had entered the room and no one knew he had entered because everyone was fawning over Mary Jo’s chauffeur. After that Hail to the Chief was back.

Anne,
What’s your take on the “anti-prosecutorial bias” op ed printed in this dung paper written by a democrat hack, er, I mean former judge? This is the first time I’d ever heard of this phenomena!

Johnny Reb said...

@BLBeamer

Used to work with a NGO that had a lot of ex Secret Service guys. Heard similar things. Empty bags or walked around the corner and dropped the bags for the aids or agents to carry. My favorite one is how he portrayed himself as a man of the people at work at 5am. SS agents say he would get up, get dressed go to the oval office, turn the light on and crash on the couch till 7am.

Interesting side note. Had a friend who claimed he was part of the task force that went in for the hostages. He was carrier based. Said his record shows no time at sea but in his love me box he has a citation for being part of the longest serving cruise in the history of the Navy. He said they went to general quarters. Cap came on told them what was going on. Said they were told to hang as much ordinance as the a/c could carry. Once the rescue birds crossed the beach outbound they were to launch every bird they had and bomb that country back to the the stone age. True? Maybe, maybe not, makes one wonder about Carter though. Strange things we may never know.Carter vs Bush, Trump vs the swamp...

Known Unknown said...

Once a failure, always a failure.