August 12, 2018

"'As a white man,' Joe begins, prefacing an insight, revelation, objection or confirmation he’s eager to share — but let’s stop him right there."

"Aside from the fact that he’s white, and a man, what’s his point? What does it signify when people use this now ubiquitous formula ('As a such-and-such, I …') to affix an identity to an observation?.... The literary theorist Barbara Johnson wrote, 'If I tried to speak as a lesbian, wouldn’t I be processing my understanding of myself through media-induced images of what a lesbian is or through my own idealizations of what a lesbian should be?' In the effort to be 'real,' she saw something fake. Another prominent theorist, Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak, thought that the 'as a' move was 'a distancing from oneself,' whereby the speaker became a self-appointed representative of an abstraction, some generalized perspective, and suppressed the actual multiplicity of her identities... It’s because we’re not just one thing that, in everyday conversation, 'as a' can be useful as a way to spotlight some specific feature of who we are. Comedians do a lot of this sort of identity-cuing. In W. Kamau Bell’s recent Netflix special, 'Private School Negro,' the 'as a' cue, explicit or implicit, singles out various of his identities over the course of an hour. Sometimes he’s speaking as a parent, who has to go camping because his kids enjoy camping. Sometimes he’s speaking as an African-American, who, for ancestral reasons, doesn’t see the appeal of camping ('sleeping outdoors on purpose?'). Sometimes — as in a story about having been asked his weight before boarding a small aircraft — he’s speaking as 'a man, a heterosexual, cisgender Dad man.' (Hence: 'I have no idea how much I weigh.')"

Writes philosophy professor Kwame Anthony Appiah in "Go Ahead, Speak for Yourself/Not every opinion needs to be underwritten by your race or gender or other social identity." (NYT).

91 comments:

Darrell said...

I can't tell you how many times I heard a white man preface his remarks by saying "As a white man." Yes I can. None. Never. Zero times.

Fernandinande said...

Not every opinion needs to be underwritten by your race or gender or other social identity.

As a social butterfly or other social identity, I appreciate being exposed to shiny new ideas which I could never have thunk up all by my lonesome.

rhhardin said...

Barbara Johnson and Gayatri Spivak were both translators of Derrida. Spivak became very angry over Derrida's _Spurs_, as a woman. Johnson took it in stride. Translators are traitors.

Darrell said...

Cisgender = normal.
Stop using their made-up words.

The Crack Emcee said...

Kind of hard to break out of it if the first sight of a black person brings out the white mob to start it's nonsense.

They keep us stuck in it. And they blame blacks for it. And other whites just stand around and watch.

Land of the Free, home of the Brave.

mccullough said...

Appiah is just bring practical. As an older, British-born, American-living in New York , bi-racial, elite-educated, cisgender, heterosexual male, it takes him too long to run the litany of identity markers when he writes an essay.

Ken B said...

“As a” is a tactic meant to avert criticism or dissent.

Paco Wové said...

"Stop using their made-up words."

I assume he's one of them, so of course he's using their made-up words.

AlbertAnonymous said...

More politics of division. Identity politics is BS. Not all people of the same race/ethnicity/gender think alike. But the leftists would like you to think so.

How many times do you hear/read this and it’s all good, but supposedly now a “white” person said it and he must be stopped.

F off leftists.

Paco Wové said...

"Comedians do a lot of this sort of identity-cuing."

...because they are parodying, however gently, the culture in which they are embedded, not because this is just "something comedians do".

Wince said...

In the olden days it was somebody else who would stick the “Kick Me” sign to your back.

The Crack Emcee said...

AlbertAnonymous said...

"More politics of division. Identity politics is BS. Not all people of the same race/ethnicity/gender think alike. But the leftists would like you to think so."

So all these white people demanding I think like Thomas Sowell are - what? Liberals?

I wish Republicans would get their lie straight if they want blacks in the party.

Derek Kite said...

Did i just read some Vogon poetry? Is our gracious host trying to torture us?

Rob said...

Easy for him to say, as a philosophy professor.

rhhardin said...

Kind of hard to break out of it if the first sight of a black person brings out the white mob to start it's nonsense.

Identify as American, not as black.

Everybody loved blacks and wished them well, and affirmative action came in to hope for the best. Then they decided to give blacks an IQ test, in the form of outcome-based discrimination tests. That was when individuals stopped being the key and group averages began to rule.

Well, if blacks aren't passing the fireman's exam, it must be because whites are discriminating. It can't be because blacks have an average IQ of 86 in the US.

So the fiction sold was that whites were discriminating against blacks because we're all equal and so they are, and whites became tired of being told they're discriminating racists when they knew they weren't.

Blacks got mad and whites stopped caring what blacks thought. And here we are.

The trick is identify as American, not as black. Then your own IQ rules, not the group average. There'd be smart Americans and dumb Americans just like there always have been, not anything about race.

Two-eyed Jack said...

Darrell said "I can't tell you how many times I heard a white man preface his remarks by saying "As a white man." Yes I can. None. Never. Zero times."

What about the part of the Declaration of Independence where they say "As white men, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"?

Ann Althouse said...

"I can't tell you how many times I heard a white man preface his remarks by saying "As a white man"..."

I feel that I heard it many times within academia, though maybe not those precise words. It would be a man deliberately minimizing his qualification to speak — presented as an alternative to shutting up entirely and letting the women and minorities speak on an issue that relates to women and minorities. Or it would be a way to express disapproval of abstractions and generalities and to witness to a belief in perspectivalism.

Yancey Ward said...

I also have never once heard or read anyone prefacing a comment that way, but like Ms. Althouse, I have heard a white man prefacing a comment by indirectly apologizing for speaking up despite being one- a big, big difference.

Darrell said...

within academia

Sanity still prevailed when I was there.

Darrell said...

Well, excuuuuuse me!

I forgot about Steve Martin.

William said...

Speaking as a saint, I find your different take on these issues morally objectionable.

Henry said...

"As a theorist..."

Stop right there.

wholelottasplainin said...

The Crack Emcee said...
AlbertAnonymous said...

"More politics of division. Identity politics is BS. Not all people of the same race/ethnicity/gender think alike. But the leftists would like you to think so."

So all these white people demanding I think like Thomas Sowell are - what? Liberals?

I wish Republicans would get their lie straight if they want blacks in the party.

***********************

Another strawman argument, consisting of unnamed "all these white people", "demanding" that you think like a particular black person.

Is this more of your "nuanced" thinking, with the same accuracy you used to slam whites for not thinking of Farrakhan in terms you want them to?

Darrell said...

I wish Republicans would get their lie straight if they want blacks in the party.

I always ask myself "What would David Bowie say?"

Sebastian said...

"Kwame Anthony Appiah in "Go Ahead, Speak for Yourself/Not every opinion needs to be underwritten by your race or gender or other social identity." (NYT)."

As an egghead, he would say that. Sure, not every opinion "needs to be" underwritten that way, just opinions that are baseless except for being based on some identity that ranks higher in the prog-approved hierarchy, and that need to be shoved down the throats of the deplorables. Identity claims are tools, useful tools, and philosophical speculation about their deployment is beside the practical point.

Of course, all identity claims are subject to political approval: no prog would give any credence to Tom Sowell or Shelby Steele saying that "as a black man" they know x. As the Universal Theory of Progressive Instrumentalism predicts.

Meade said...

On the Internet, speaking as a dog, I just assume you're a dog too.

Meade said...

But on Twitter, I just assume you're Donald Trump.

Ann Althouse said...

On Twitter, I just assume you're a bird.

tcrosse said...

Johnny is a joker and he tried to steal my baby. He's a bird dog.

Birkel said...

I assume the sort of people who thrive in higher ed have learned how to self-censor.
I assume they are weak-willed.
I assume they are hoping the crocodile eats them last.

Fuck that.

Drago said...

Crack: "So all these white people demanding I think like Thomas Sowell are - what? Liberals?"

Provide just ine link to any white person demanding you think like Thomas Sowell.

And, after its clear you made another thing up out of whole cloth, make sure to give your "Wheel Of Reasons Why White People Made Me Say Something False" a really good spin.

Scott M said...

Sometimes he’s speaking as an African-American, who, for ancestral reasons, doesn’t see the appeal of camping ('sleeping outdoors on purpose?').

Thank God that I'm part of a racial group that sprang up out of the ground on day one with split-level, two-car garage homes in the suburbs, which also sprang up out of the ground that day along with cable tv, cell phones, and dish washers.

Birkel said...

I am an empiricist.
I believe the thinking of Thomas Sowell, if widely adopted, would lead to fantastic and positive results.
I believe the thinking of TCE, if widely adopted, would lead to tragic and negative results.

It is decidedly not personal.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Crack said:

“So all these white people demanding I think like Thomas Sowell are - what? Liberals?”

Crack, I have no idea to whom you are referring, obviously. Do you know they are white people because they say that to you in person? Are they blog commenters who you assume are white? Or do you know because they preface their comments with “as a white person” ?

And are they really demanding that you think like Thomas Sowell or just suggesting that he has a better outlook/perspective on a particular issue?

And whether suggesting or demanding, are they saying you have to think like him because you're both black and therefore must think alike? (By the way I’m just assuming you’re black because of the context of your comment, and because of the picture on your profile).

Finally, I never said liberals I said leftists. Because I see a difference.

rcocean said...

Good. I'm glad someone is FINALLY saying it. And it just doesn't apply to gender and Race.

How many times have we heard some idiot start out:

-As a life Long Republican, [insert left wing opinion]

-As someone who supported Republican X, [insert left wing opinion]

-As someone who thinks Trump is a vulgar blah blah, [insert something pro Trump]

-As a Liberal/Leftist [insert something not 100% in agreement with the party line]

Just quit! We don't believe you or we don't care. Just give us the opinion and stop with the qualifiers and phony party identifiers.

rcocean said...

And I've noticed a lot fewer:

"As an Atheist" comments.

Thank God.

rcocean said...

As a White man, I despise anyone who would start off with:

"As a white Man.."

bleh said...

Actually, I only really hear this sort of thing from people who aren’t white men. Though sometimes they’ll clap back at something a white man says with “well of course you would say that as a white man.”

n.n said...

Sex is not a social identity. Gender is a spectrum of physical and mental (e.g. orientation) attributes closely correlated with your genetic sex. That said, principles should judged on their own merit. Comments can be judged in context without color or qualification.

Fernandinande said...

rcocean said...
And I've noticed a lot fewer:
"As an Atheist" comments.


Oh, man, no kidding! There were about 1.5 of them per year!

n.n said...

The African-American who survived the Hutu and Tutsi?

The African-American who competed with the Mandela faction (a la Fatah vs Hamas) and was rewarded with a necklace?

The Africa-American who descended from thousands of years of African-held slaves and apartheid?

The African-American with black, brown, or white skin?

That said, people need to stop being captured and caged inside the frame of reference specified by their competitors.

As a one-time fetus, offspring, baby, I do not speak for all fetuses, offspring, and babies.

Fernandinande said...

1.5 per year might be too generous -
2018 - 1
2017 - 1
2016 - 1
2015 - 1
2014 - 3 (!) Rough year on the ole blog.

tcrosse said...

As a fictional character, I couldn't possibly comment.

buwaya said...

Joseph Conrad did not preface everything "as a Pole".

Nor did Naipaul preface everything "as an Indian from Trinidad".

They went off and had adventures and described people and places entirely foreign to them - foreign even to Naipaul, when he wrote about India, as he was thoroughly deracinated.

It would be very interesting if, for instance, Ta Nehisi Coates were to go to Malaysia and write about that, or Hawthorne and write about SpaceX, by all accounts a fascinating social milieu on its own, never mind Musk.

Explore, stretch, put on a pith helmet.

hstad said...

Ann Althouse said... "As a white man"..."I feel that I heard it many times within academia.."
8/12/18, 10:46 AM

LOL, total college professor population in USA is 2 million out of a population of 330 million. So AA are you enamored with the propoganda derived from Academia? Because that is all it is! An out of control Bubble populated by overpaid propagandist cowards.

chuck said...

As a non-reader of the New York Times, I approve that article.

buwaya said...

Michael Totten is a role model for such a writer.
Is there any reason that such a man should not be black?
Why shouldn't a black man explore the politics of Montenegro, or the border hills of Georgia (the one in the Caucasus), Egyptian religious extremists, or the Estonian preparations for war?
Or write a novel about Banda Aceh?

buwaya said...

One significant story, in the US, of tremendous political significance is the explosion of gun sales, and the corresponding explosion of small manufacturers, over the last dozen years. It is a whole new industry.

There is no book on this, though politically critical, simply as a matter of the balance of power, as in who has the guns, and the zeitgeist that drives millions to buy them.

There is no book on it, certainly none by a significant author. The field is full of colorful characters. This could and should be an important book. Its begging for a writer.

buwaya said...

On stretching boundaries -

"An African in Greenland" - Kpomassie

Kpomassie was from Togo, and the book is exactly as the title has it.
Buy it, its fascinating.

Oso Negro said...

@RCOcean - As a white man, I feel it might be time to sell the family farm in South Africa.

Oso Negro said...

@Buwaya - It's mostly white men.

Earnest Prole said...

The most famous deployer of the "as a" locution is Camille Paglia. See “A Brief Autobiography of Camille Paglia, as Told Through Introductory Appositive Phrases In Her Online Column” -- and this was only through the year 2000.

Seeing Red said...

Writes philosophy professor Kwame Anthony Appiah in "Go Ahead, Speak for Yourself/Not every opinion needs to be underwritten by your race or gender or other social identity." (NYT).


Too late. You’ve been labeled, boxed and locked.

The only use for the preface is that TODAY or THIS MINUTE you “ID/feel” you’re a .......you might be fluid the next.

buwaya said...

Somewhat off-topic -

Reading John Reed's "Insurgent Mexico" (1914), available free as a pdf from archive.org, but no doubt you can find it elsewhere. Reed was a commie, but a remarkable writer. Pages of laugh out loud funny, deep observation, a wild world drawn from life, hundreds of characters.

Comanche Voter said...

I can't recall ever uttering the words "as a white man". Never crossed my mind---on the other hand anyone looking at me could have perceived that (A) I'm white; (B) I'm indubitably male---no Pajama Boy about me; and (C) I'm full of myself--or self confident--or whatever. You either have command presence or you don't.

One establishes credibility by deeds not words. Whatever wisdom or ignorance one spouts, it's not helped either way by prefacing the statement with"as a X . . . "

Michael K said...

Buwaya, reading the Fertig bio and enjoying it.

They really did think "The Aid" was coming.

Michael K said...

This could and should be an important book. Its begging for a writer.

John Lott ?

Seeing Red said...

John Reed? Isn’t he buried at the Kremlin? Warren Beatty plated him, didn’t he?

buwaya said...

Yes, Keats did a good job, though the semi-novel form is eccentric.
Its a subject fit for an epic.

John Lott is a rational, data-driven advocate, dry, not the sort that could make literature out of this subject.

Jim at said...

Identity politics would be exhausting ... if I gave a damn.

buwaya said...

Yes, that John Reed, of "Ten Days That Shook the World", the one buried in Red Square.

Bay Area Guy said...

As a white male member of this commentariat, I would like to say that nobody gives a flying fuck.

walter said...

"all these white people demanding I think like Thomas Sowell"
Man..so many demands, mobs of white people...

buwaya said...

Sowell found a market for writing that was only occassionally, tangentially about black people.

A black man but not a black writer, which is in fact the way, the only way, to get out of the black trap. Focus out, not in. Does a black mans life have to be about being black? That is a terrible thing.

rcocean said...

Oh course, my comment wasn't directed *only* at the Althouse blog.

But of course, I knew the atheists would take the bait.

They always do. Because no "True Atheist" would *ever* write "As an atheist".

rcocean said...

A White South African Farmer would write:

"As a south African Farmer" NOT

"As a white man".

rcocean said...

I assumed white professors would be constantly saying stuff like:

"As a white man, I agree white's are the cancer of the human Race"

Or

"As a white man, I agree that we're the source of all evil"

Of course, with unstated, and never need to spoken, *Wink*WinK* that they're talking about those OTHER white guys.

rcocean said...

Watching the PGA Championship.

You gotta give Tiger Credit. He's in perfect physical condition.

From the neck down, he looks 22 not 42.

Jon Ericson said...

Rich: Hey do you think if I land this successfully Alaska will give me a job as a pilot?

Air traffic control: You know, I think they would give you a job doing anything if you could pull this off.

Rich: Yeah right! Nah, I'm a white guy.

Michael said...

Yeah, but: if you don't tag yourself with your "identity" the Times will do it for you.

StephenFearby said...

I tried to submit the following comment to this NYT opinion piece, but comments were just now shut down before could hit the submit button.

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This was hashed out by Greek philosophers quite a long time ago, starting with the Nominalists (Heraclitus) vs the Metaphysicians (Aristotle).

The "Is of Identity" problem is nicely summarized by Stephen Lewis:

Korzybski and the 'Is of Identity'

" [Polish philosopher Alfred] Korzybski built his non-Aristotelian system on the rejection of the 'is of identity' or, in positive terms, on the principle of individuality ... that no two situations, individuals or stages of processes are the same in all details. The disregard of this principle, according to Korzybski, was the foundation of many misevaluations. His prescription for avoiding or treating the identity delusion was training in differentiation. In particular, Korzybski constructed a '3-dimensional' diagram (the structural differential) to help us visualize the difference between the different orders of abstraction. This meant training to differentiate individuals from generalities, words from their referents, descriptions from inferences, 'emotions' from the stimuli that evoked them ...."

http://stevenlewis.info/gs/identity.htm

Inspired by Korzybski's work, General Semantics was born before WW2 to explain how totalitarian regimes in Germany and the Soviet Union successfully brainwashed many of their citizens with Orwellian propaganda.

The principles of General Semantics are still quite useful today in deconstructing totalitarian Identity Politics.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I didn't submit what I really wanted to say:

"totalitarian Identity Politics frequently used by the lunatic left"

...because that likely wouldn't pass muster with the NYT agitprop comment monitors.


In the context of changing lunatic thought patterns, the principles of General Semantics form an important part of psychologist Albert Ellis' Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapy.

Back in the day, I wrote my master's thesis on using E-Prime (a subset of General Semantics described in the link) to plausibly change people's minds in an ethical and useful way.

Now we know that people's brains process "Embodied Language" (actions) in a different way than metaphysical concepts. A recent study:

Sci Rep. 2018 Apr 26;8(1):6583.
Action and object words are differentially anchored in the sensory motor system - A perspective on cognitive embodiment.

"...Embodied language theory is thus merged with actual neurobiological implementation."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5919964/pdf/41598_2018_Article_24475.pdf

Michael K said...

Watching the PGA Championship.

You gotta give Tiger Credit. He's in perfect physical condition.


Imagine what he could do if he starts hitting fairways.

Pretty good scrambling exhibition.

JAORE said...

"A black man but not a black writer, which is in fact the way, the only way, to get out of the black trap. Focus out, not in. Does a black mans life have to be about being black? That is a terrible thing."

Quite a few of the best known black writers are, IMO, mediocre, at best. But they have a built in audience in the racism industry sufficiently large to remain employed.

Breaking out of that mold might expose their limited abilities.

Thomas Sowell had no such limitations.

Molly said...

(this comment by "old" molly. I'm aware there is another commenter who also goes by Molly, but I don't know how to change my posting name to something different.)

This phrasing is used to mean different things:

1. It can mean "my status as a xxx" gives me special insight or understanding of the issue under discussion. (xxx= white man never means this.) example: "Speaking as a young black man with dreadlocks, I can assure you that police brutality is an actual phenomenon."

2. It can mean "I'm about to make an observation which will make you believe that I'm a yyy; so before you leap to that erroneous conclusion, I want you to know that this observation comes from a person who is an xxx." (So a white man would use to this as a preface to a statement supporting black lives matter.) example: "Speaking as a lifelong Democrat and a member of the middle class, I can attest that the Trump tax cuts have helped me personally."

3. It can mean "I'm about to make an observation that will be self-serving, and I want to warn you that you should treat my opinion with the appropriate suspicion and scrutiny. (So a white man would use this to preface a statement opposing black lives matter.) Example: "Speaking as a white male, I do think we need to address the legitimate arguments raised by Justice Thomas opposing affirmative action in higher education."

Help me by adding other interpretations.

tcrosse said...

Molly nails it.

Phil 314 said...

As a former Republican, I used to believe I was a member of the party.

Jim at said...

You gotta give Tiger Credit. He's in perfect physical condition.

From the neck down, he looks 22 not 42.


PEDs have a tendency to do that.

narciso said...

I think john reed got much wrong, as much Matthews, bonner, and Salisbury to cite just three:

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/10/myth-bolshevism-dies-hard/

robother said...

Think, like Thomas Sowell!

Don't just emote, like Oprah!

That's all I ask.

daskol said...

is a schizophrenic merely someone who takes perspectivism too far?

Michael K said...


Blogger Jim at said...
You gotta give Tiger Credit. He's in perfect physical condition.


He had a great day. Two strokes off in second alone.

n.n said...

"As a ..." is a preface to an appeal to authority.

n.n said...

"As a ..." is a preface to marginalize membership, not by principle, but by color (i.e. diversity).

n.n said...
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n.n said...

"As a ..." is self-identification of diversity, when there is mismatch or ambiguity between observable and assumed identity. For example, "African-American" in principle, if not in practice, includes all people: brown, white, black, yellow, etc., Americans of African descent.

stlcdr said...

As someone who's been stabbed in the leg, how *dare* anyone have any opinion on anything related to being stabbed in the leg!

MB said...

It must be tough being a black writer, since any mainstream success might be taken as evidence of whiteness, inauthenticity, selling out, and worse.
Anything, that is, except writing for the New York Times, which is evidence that one is persecuted and marginalized.
Since black people are a minority in the US, there are few separate distribution channels, and most don't read a lot or consume a lot of art, not even stuff produced by other black people, a successful black writer/artist is always mostly writing/performing for those outside the community. So then the issue of "selling out" arises naturally for a successful black artist.
There are two obvious paths to success: writing as a representative of the community, with an emphasis on the particularities of the black point of view and the specialness of the black experience, for people who buy this exotic novelty act (while constantly denying that this is what one is doing), or trying to fit into the mainstream, minimizing the particularities of the black experience, and potentially giving up on recognition within the community (no denial possible here, since the consequences of this "betrayal" will be made plain immediately).
To me, the second path seems harder, but more honorable, but then again I'm not black.
Professor Appiah seems to be treading dangerous ground here, by timidly expressing some mildly liberal views in this editorial (though I'm sure he tries to make up for it in other ways). He's in danger of being proclaimed "inauthentic" any minute now and losing his status as a voice of the black community. In fact, for all I know, there are thousands of unsuccessful black intellectuals who have repudiated him already, vying to take his place.

daskol said...

very insightful comment, MB. Appiah has been treading that line for a long time. as part of a class on 20th century thought back in '94, I read, and failed utterly to comprehend, In My Father's House. I don't think any of us 19 and 20 year olds understood the essays that comprise that fascinating book, despite reading it alongside a novel and cultural criticism embodying Appiah's critique of Pan-Africanism and the invention of "Africa" in European/Western culture.

Kevin said...

How else are we going to know Joe's rank in society?

Lt. Gen. Kelley
President Trump
Senator Feinstein

White man Joe

mikeski said...

Hey, where'd my privilege go?

Shouldn't this be the other way around? If I'm the default American who has privilege beyond everyone else, shouldn't everyone else have to disclaim themselves?

"IANAWM", the same way we see people disclaim themselves with "I am not a lawyer" or "I am not a doctor".

Make it so; my privilege demands it.

(/s , just in case)

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