President Trump fires back at his critics over his meeting with Russian President Putin | @foxandfriends pic.twitter.com/cijS3BfUi4
— Brian Kilmeade (@kilmeade) July 17, 2018
July 17, 2018
"When Newt Gingrich, when Gen. Jack Keane, when Matt Schlapp say the president fell short and made our intelligence apparatus look bad, I think it’s time to pay attention..."
"... and it’s easily correctable from the president’s perspective. Nobody’s perfect, especially [after] 10 intensive days of summits, private meetings, and everything on his plate. But that moment is the one that’s going to stand out unless he comes out and corrects it.”
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"Made our intelligence apparatus look bad" - LOL.
Seth Rich unavailable for comment.
DoJ/Rosenstein's release said, "In our justice system, everyone who is charged with a crime is presumed innocent unless proven guilty." What if Trump, as chief enforcement officer, said he thought they were guilty?
Is this the same intell comm that said China would not enter the Korean War, Russia would not send missiles to Cuba in 1962, Vietnam was a winnable war, the Ayatollah had no chance to take over Iran, and that there were WMDs in Iraq? 5,800 dead Americans wish Bush 43 had been as critical of American intelligence as Trump.
When they set up his campaign for surveillance, they made themselves look worse than bad. It's a crime against democracy.
Our intelligence apparatus "looks bad" because they made themselves look bad when the truth came out about their illegal actions in trying to subvert and overturn a legitimate American election.
I read via the AP that Russian commentators thought Putin did well, and "they're sympathizing with Trump, portraying him as a victim of irrational domestic critics and pinning hopes on him for improving relations." When the Russian commentators make more sense than former members of our intelligence apparatus like Brennan, et. al., you have to remember that Trump swore an oath to protect the country from enemies "foreign and domestic." And the country sure as hell has domestic enemies.
We have an "independent counsel" who publicly announces indictments, based upon information that is months old, on the eve of a major summit. The purpose was to sabotage the summit. At a minimum, the President should have been made aware of Mueller's plans to indict, because of the impact they would have on international relations and security.
Ask Gingrinch et al, what the response of Trump should be to the intelligence agencies intentional acts to make the President look bad.
During today’s meeting, I addressed directly with President Putin the issue of Russian interference in our elections. I felt this was a message best delivered in person. Spent a great deal of time talking about it. And President Putin may very well want to address it, and very strongly, because he feels very strongly about it, and he has an interesting idea.
From the NYT transcript. I didnt have time to get up to speed on the newest outrage. So in skimming I noticed the lack of actual quotes. So right now I went to the transcript Althouse posted yesterday. That was the first mention of interference. Now I know why no direct quotes.
In fairness, I will be open to other exact quotes from the press conference or tweets or whatever. So give me details and the we can talk.
Why do we have to be our own reporters. It would be nice if there was a profession out there whose job it was to research and summarize the days events.
So to me it looks like another phoney outrage like Trump's comments about Charlotte.
Up until Jan of 2017, our Intelligence Apparatus was run by a John Brennan, Jim Clapper and James Comey.
How could it NOT look bad?
Trump has this rhetorical tic of “on one hand and on the other.” He did the same thing regarding the KKK and Charlottesville. That’s what he did here. Coats told me the Russians interfered, but Putin strongly denies it.
Never apologize. You get no credit for it. They want your job, your life anyway.
made our intelligence apparatus look bad
You got to be fucking kidding me.
Our "intelligence apparatus" has looked awful for a couple of years now. They fucked up their reputation all on their own. If Republicans in the government can't see that, you've been in the government way too long.
SDaly, I believe Rosenstein said Trump was told a week ago. Perhaps RR thought he could entrap Trump into demanding a delay and calling it obstruction AKA his constitutional prerogative.
So to me it looks like another phoney outrage like Trump's comments about Charlotte[sville].
And the Pussytapes.
Trump has to take a back seat to our Intelligence apparatus in making our Intelligence apparatus look bad. They're pros at making themselves look like bumbling idiots.
Former communist voter, John Brennan was outraged to be called "bad.'
Why doesn't Mueller indict Putin for the same crimes as the other Russians?
And Jim Clapper should be in prison for perjury.
I have no trust in the spooks. And the more they talk, the less trust I have. Nobody elected you to anything, shit-for-brains. Why don't you work on the "secret" part of secret agent and shut the fuck up.
Have we ever had high intelligence[sic] officials as openly partisan as BO's people? Even GHWB kept his mouth shut about his work.
The best part is that everyone is downplaying Putin claiming to have concrete evidence that US intelligence agents helped tax evaders funnel $400 million into Hillary's campaign coffers.
Video doesn't play so I'm in the dark, but never understood what the fuss was about in the first place.
Russia is run by gangsters. It's a stable social system. You can negotiate with it about stuff you have in common, but not about its being a gangster country.
Trump will do what can be done and refrain from doing what can't be done, because that's in US interests. As well as Russian, incidentally. That's how a deal works.
Heh! Our intelligence agencies don't need Trump to make them look bad. As the saying goes, they beclown themselves!
But then, they also aid the various presidents in their illegal schemes, so they're all despicable, spies and executives alike!
But the golf was great.
And Jim Clapper should be in prison for perjury.
And Brennan too. He denied to the Senate the CIA had hacked into the Senate intelligence committee's computers.
Can you imagine an "ex" communist surveiling his political opponents.
A deal with Russia, like a deal with NK, will involve the well-being of gangsters, because they have to be on board for a deal to work.
It's like dealing with NYC politicians if you're a real estate developer. Make a deal you like and they like, and it can happen.
The Daily News front page gives a nice visual summary of the event that will stick in the minds of voters during the mid-term elections.
If you nation-build Russia, Russia gets taken over by the second-strongest gangster force. You're better off not toppling it.
Was Biden guilty of perjury or was that plagiarism.
Kliban had lying to a cat as a crime.
He denied to the Senate the CIA had hacked into the Senate intelligence committee's computers.
Yet the Senate isn't outraged. The failed Pres candidates ought to be, too, because they probably were targeted--or will be.
If the 90's FBI file scandal criminals had been jailed, maybe this wouldn't have happened.
Great responses here to the genuinely comical assertion. The folks here are not fooled by the organized outrage campaign.
a nice visual summary of the event that will stick in the minds of voters during the mid-term elections.
Fantasization.
If the 90's FBI file scandal criminals had been jailed
I mean esp. the FBI people who sent them to the WH.
Image search man lying to a cat kliban
Russia is, indeed, run by gangsters and that is a tremendous improvement over being run by Marxists.
This outburst of yellow journalism from the U.S. media is appalling. Driven by their hatred of Trump, they have cornered themselves into agitating for war with Russia.
R/V, the Daily News Front Page will stick in the minds of New Yorkers who read it and who vote for the communist bartender.
What's sticking in the minds of voters is that my job is good, it's great right now for my brother/uncle/daughter, my standard of living has improved, I'm a good citizen and I don't have to worry about government harassing me or coming for all my stuff.
In that scenario John McCain doesn't get to win.
Nice try R/V but you're playing with adults here. We want exact quotes and Honest analysis.
Care to try again?
Clyde,
What oath did you have in mind? Here is the one he actually swore:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Nothing at all about protecting the country, people or anything at all other than the constitution.
Not jaust against enemies either but against everyone and everything. The expression" with friends like these... " comes to mind.
John Henry
I believe that what Trump said was in essence: I respect our agencies. But here I am trying to work with Putin and he denies the whole thing. Then you ask me this question trying to set us at odds with each other in public. We need to work together if possible on Syria, and nuclear weapons issues such as Korea. So I'm kicking the question down the road.
In the background is the fact that this DNC operation Mueller is prosecuting is nothing compared to the exposure of US secrets which resulted from Hillary's unsecured communications as Secretary of State. It's true that the Russians did not leave a note behind - "Ha, ha, got all your Blackberry comms, e-mails etc." But they got it all. And this is which something Mueller allowed as FBI director and which Putin benefited from. Putin and Trump know what this means. But it is Trump's opinion that the two must work together where they can and disregarding everything else that is what he is working on. As Putin specifically said that you get nowhere asking if they trust each other, the point is there are areas of common interest where they can work together and nuclear powers should do this. Trump isn't allowing Mueller to run US foreign policy or to dictate how he should speak to Putin by timing indictments and priming the press with questions and ledes. And press is being noisy because, due to TDS, they are less than hacks by now.
There may be a useful result from all this hysteria.
It might convince Trump to declassify all the FISA abuse records.
If you note they are all connected to the intelligence apparatus, and more specifically the well documented FISA abuse, well, yeah, things start making a lot of sense. After all, at the center of all the intelligence corruption in 2015/2016 is the exploitation of FBI/NSA databases for political opposition research and weaponization.
The over-the-top responses to a meeting and press conference between President Trump and Russian President Putin highlights the extent to which the prior officials have formed all of their defenses around the Russian conspiracy narrative. They are all-in.
The Russian conspiracy narrative was formed as both their insurance policy against a Trump administration; and a necessary collective defense -passed on to Robert Mueller inc- to ensure an offense was always present to insure their activity never surfaced.
However, in a rather unusual way, an elevated urgency in attack formation by the Scheme Team; their UniParty allies in the DC swamp; and their media advocates writ large; might end up pushing Trump toward a position where he decides to unleash the atomic sledgehammer of truth and declassify material that will finally outline the plot publicly.
Maybe we will finally get to see the records without the self serving redactions.
If John Brennan and John McCain are both vociferously against something, then the odds are pretty good that the “thing” in question is not so bad.
Our intelligence apparatus made itself look bad.
It is not the president's job to purvey fantasy to the American public. That's Walt Disney's job.
Trump/Putin was watched less than World Cup Russia. To us it just looks like the usual Monday outrage, not the special outrage you're trying to make it out to be.
Am I supposed to know who Matt Schlapp is?
You're throwing Matt Schlapp at me?
Oh my God. It's the voice of authority. Matt Schlapp! Matt Schlapp has spoken!
I don't know what I was thinking. Going up against Matt Schlapp.
Hey ya'll need to shut up. You're pissing off the lobbyists.
A handy term is "recreational outrage."
Channeling rh, the media cares mostly about the personal relationship between Putin & Trump, because women.
Here's a scary thought.
Maybe Obama really was the smartest person in the room!
But please, don't complain about the deep state.
CNN's Philip Mudd Calls for ‘Shadow Government’ to Rise Up, Oppose Trump
I can hear Putin now. And what can Trump say.
"I don't believe my people hacked the DNC. But bring me proof and I'll take care of it. But I can't move based on a political prosecution that indicts people without ever examining the actual computer. They relied on Crowdstrike, a private company,that sells hacking defense products and always blames Russia to increase their sales. Also Crowdstrike were embarrassingly wrong about the makware they said they found."
What's Trump supposed to say to Putin or the public. We know because Danish intelligence hacked Russian computers and we know every keystroke they made. That we know who signed in because the Danes also hacked the surveillance cameras at Russian HQ.
Saing Croix said:
Here's a scary thought. Maybe Obama really was the smartest person in the room!
LOL. Worth repeating.
The media fiction makers are churning out the end of the world is Trump making peace when Thermonuclear war is demanded. Why would any interest want war that actually would end the world? That's easy . The mass corruption gang in DC wants their mass bribery wealth system to continue more than they want to live. And Putin told on them. And that blew up the media Red Alert insanity.
The number $400 million is what happened. That number is to big to ignore, so that number has been immediately erased by this psychpath's circus put on solely for changing the subject.
Tex I assumed if you were interested in the cover page you could google The Nre York Daily News,to view the image which as you know can have a powerful influence.
Up until Jan of 2017, our Intelligence Apparatus was run by a John Brennan, Jim Clapper and James Comey.
What's really tricky is trying to match up the Three Spooks with the Three Stooges.
Jim Clapper = Moe
John Brennan = Larry
James Comey = Curly on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and is Shemp on Tuesday and Thursday.
Taylor, 7:49:
"Oh my God. It's the voice of authority. Matt Schlapp! Matt Schlapp has spoken!"
Yeah, I'd have to look him up. And he's kind of the tie-breaker, because I have a very different estimate of Newt Gingrich and General Keane when it comes to partisanship and/or willingness to carry water for the president.
One of the many faces of our "intelligence" community.
"It is not the president's job to purvey fantasy to the American public."
Oh, but it is!
Considering what we've learned about the past 2 years, why would anyone have any confidence in the upper levels of our intelligence agencies?
1) It's absolutely clear that Russian intelligence engaged in covert activities against the US during the 2016, although it is exceedingly unlikely that this could ever proven in a court of law. Mueller knows that he can't prove these crimes, so his indictments are, to be charitable about it, hard to explain. These covert activities included stealing John Podesta's emails and releasing them to the world, buying a small amount of Facebook ads under false names, and setting up various social media accounts to troll and promote false rumors. The most serious crime by far was the theft (and release) of Podesta's emails, which probably had some effect on the election by discouraging some Bernie bros from voting. The other stuff was immaterial.
2) Trump did not collude with Putin to violate any US laws.
3) Trump was and is happy to accept whatever benefits Putin's covert activities may have provided or may provide in the future.
4) Trump sincerely believes that Putin is a great man and that Russia and the US should be allies fighting the Jihadist hordes and standing tall against the mercantilist threat from Germany and the EU. Trump doesn't give a rat's ass what Russia does to the countries on Russia's borders or to Putin's "enemies."
5) By way of full disclosure, in my opinion, Trump's actions on the judiciary, regulation and taxes have been outstanding.
Further deponent sayeth not.
In the dog-that-didn't-bark category:
The released FBI emails show much discussion of going after Trump collusion and shutting down the Hill investigation, little or none about countering direct Russian "interference."
US spies tried to hack Russian government and military computers many times a day during Obama's time and many times a day during Trump's term.
So fucking what. That's what the cyber divisions of intelligence agencies do.
Trump will never agree to the concept that the Russians meddled in the election because it has become "meddling" has become a code word for "stole the election from Hillary". Regular people think of meddling as dicking around the edges and being an annoyance but if Trump had strongly condemned the "meddling" today's headlines would be the Trump admits the Russians influenced the outcome of the election.
Personally, I'm pretty concerned that the intelligence community would give up the names of the Russians to the Mueller team. By doing so, they've nuked a whole portion of their human intelligence and revealed how deep they've gotten into the system. This speaks of deep state animus to the President to the point it disregards national security.
Trump sincerely believes that Putin is a great man and that Russia and the US should be allies fighting the Jihadist hordes and standing tall against the mercantilist threat from Germany and the EU.
I'm not in agreement with this. He may believe that he can work a deal but he knows Putin is probably doing some of China's bidding.
The Russians are pretty happy with Putin but that is mostly emotional. They want to be a great power.
Putin has played a pretty weak hand well.
I doubt Trump sees him as an ally.
Andrew McCarthy over at NRO has an eye opening column in the Russian indictments.
Think, now with this precedent, other countries can issue charges in court against us government hackers!
And how many countries has the us interfered in elections.
Ron Paul is sounding like the sanest politician with his comments.
What a strange world!
our intelligence apparatus does look bad. Maybe they should quit trying to spy on Trump? Over two years of illegal activity spying on a US citizen , now President. hte only tinkg found is more and more crimes by Hillary and her coven.
To all you liberals out there with your tighty whities in another twist (as we said in the Army, different day, same s#@t), I'm getting tired of your foolishness. And there are a lot like me who will vote accordingly in 2018 and 2020. You're going to spend the next six years in a fetal position crying and sucking your little thumbs. Get used to it. In the meantime I'll turn my hearing aids off so I don't have to listen to you.
I was not a happy camper under Obama--I thought he was a simpering posturing fool. But heck, he was the elected President, so I mainly kept my mouth shut and let our New Messiah go his merry way. Elections are lost. Grow up. Get over it. Conservatives can do that--liberals apparently not so much.
I'm curious if these media clowns and political foes have thought this through. It is clear that the Obama administration interfered in Egyptian elections with the losing side. They held US officials in country. They wanted to try them and likely would have succeeded in proving the case. Should Trump demand Putin cooperate and extradite military personnel, then the precedent is set for other countries to do the same of us. About now, I think it would be good for Trump to offer to extradite some of our Intelligence personnel to various countries to stand trial. Is that what the media wants? Because that's the ramifications of what they are asking Trump to do in regards to Russia.
"Military intelligence" used to be an oxymoron, as exemplified by Col Flagg on M*A*S*H. Now, one dare not (or at least Trump dare not) question it.
“our intelligence apparatus does look bad. Maybe they should quit trying to spy on Trump? Over two years of illegal activity spying on a US citizen , now President. hte only tinkg found is more and more crimes by Hillary and her coven.”
I can think of no plausible legal reason for our intelligence community to be surveiling the President. None. I would take any bureaucrat doing or authorizing such out on the lawn there at the White House, and shoot them on the spot as traitors, because that is exactly what any such bureaucrat would be. Doing that. Probably extend this to the entire White House, absent explicit permission by POTUS or the VP. Probably should have fired Comey, McCabe, and Strzok on the spot for the way that they handled the Gen Flynn interview, making him think that they were there to talk to him in his role as Nat Security Advisor to a sitting President, and instead were trying to take him down in a purjury trap.
Trump finished a meeting with a world leader, and some smart reporter asks him to insult his host in front of the world.
Trump fumbles a bit with the question, probably he is tired, and there is no way to win with that question. I suppose a good puppet would have looked at Putin and spanked him in front of the world by asking him to admit and denounce his hacking.
I'm certain that would have been very good for US relations with Russia. I'm also certain had Trump done that, the press would have given Trump all the accolades, and note talk about what a mighty bumbler of international diplomacy he is.
Someone asserts: "It is not the president's job to purvey fantasy to the American public."
Cookie responds, Oh, but it is!
To a very large extent, Cookie is right and most Presidents have played that role quite well. Trump didn't get the memo and the outcry is predictable.
While I don't really trust Putin, I certainly don't trust our party leadership or our intel agencies. I've never believed they were working toward the good of the US and the American people but instead pursue their own agendas.
Isn't this the same intelligence community that swore ISIS was JV? Gen. Flynn is still paying for calling out that stupidity.
The Daily News front page gives a nice visual summary of the event that will stick in the minds of voters during the mid-term elections. - R/V
Yeah. Because the voters who actually determine the margins in the mid-terms always turn to The Daily News for guidance in the voting booth.
Ah yes, the intelligence community, Clapper, Brennan, Strzok, McCabe, Rice, Comey and the other Obots, feeding the leftmedia, fueling the witch hunt. Why would Trump doubt them?
The corrupt intelligence community accuses. The corrupt Russians deny. The swamp rats 🐀, who know all, choose “not Trump.” Big surprise.
I can think of no plausible legal reason for our intelligence community to be surveiling the President. None. I would take any bureaucrat doing or authorizing such out on the lawn there at the White House, and shoot them on the spot as traitors, because that is exactly what any such bureaucrat would be. Doing that. Probably extend this to the entire White House, absent explicit permission by POTUS or the VP. Probably should have fired Comey, McCabe, and Strzok on the spot for the way that they handled the Gen Flynn interview, making him think that they were there to talk to him in his role as Nat Security Advisor to a sitting President, and instead were trying to take him down in a purjury trap.
Stalin would have had them all shot.
It’s interesting where all the quotes cut out. Trump’s answer continues:
“I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be.
I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful
in his denial today”
That “I will tell you...” is why I find credible Trump’s contention yesterday that this was a misnegation error, a failed double negative. Generally “I will tell you...” starts a counter-proposition, suggesting that Trump thought that was coming next contradicted or at least qualified what came before.
Man, this outrage theater gets exhausting.
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