July 18, 2018

"The reaction by most of the media, by the Democrats, by the anti-Trump people is like mob violence. I've never seen anything like it in my life."

"This is the president of the United States, doing what every president... since FDR in 1943 with Stalin, meeting with the head of the Kremlin. And every president since Eisenhower, a Republican by the way, has met with the leader of the Kremlin for one existential purpose: To avoid war between the two nuclear superpowers. Today, in my considered, scholarly, long-time judgment, relations between the U.S. and Russia are more dangerous than they have ever — let me repeat, ever — been, including the Cuban missile crisis. I want my president to do -- I didn't vote for this president-- but I want my president to do what every other president has done. Sit with the head of the other nuclear superpower and walk back the conflicts that could lead to war, whether they be in Syria, Ukraine, in the Baltic nations, in these accusations of cyber attacks. Every president has been encouraged to do that an applauded by both parties. Not Trump. Look what they did to him today. They had a kangaroo court. They found him guilty. And then you had the former head of the U.S. CIA, who himself ought to be put under oath and asked about his role in inventing Russiagate, calling the President of the United States treasonous. What have we come to in this country? And what is going to happen in the future?"

Said NYU Russia expert Stephen F. Cohen (speaking on Tucker Carlson's show Monday).

Cohen is a contributing editor at The Nation, a left-leaning publication. In the interview, he said to  Carlson, "Let me ask you a question, you know D.C., why do these people dislike Putin, the president of post-communist Russia more than they ever seemed to dislike the communist leaders?" Carlson just repeated the question, and Cohen said "There is an answer but we'd need a lot more time and a psychiatrist."

Note: The transcript at the Real Clear Politics link was full of little errors. I watched the video (embedded there) and have corrected the text. Nothing substantive.

ADDED: In a similar vein, there's Rand Paul:
You know, I think engagement with our adversaries, conversation with our adversaries is a good idea. Even in the height of the Cold War, maybe at the lowest ebb when we were in the midst of the Cuban missile crisis, I think it was a good thing that Kennedy had a direct line to Khrushchev. I think it was a good thing that we continue to have ambassadors to Russia even when we really objected greatly to what was going on, even during Stalin’s regime.

So, I think that it is a good idea to have engagement. And I think that what is lost in this is that I think there's a bit of Trump derangement syndrome. I think there are people who hate the president so much that this could have easily been President Obama early in his first administration setting the reset button and trying to have better relations with Russia, and I think it's lost on people that they're a nuclear power. They have influence in Syria. They're in close proximity to the troops in Syria. They are close to the peninsula of North Korea and may have some influence that could help us there....

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n.n said...

Most of Washington does not live off the national security teat,

Would they like to?

No, there is a new cash cow in Washington: social industrial complex, which has a profound and persistent influence on our lives.

buwaya said...

Arguably Russia still has more nuclear weapons and better delivery systems than China, but that may no longer be so.
So there is one dimension, possibly, where Russia is a greater threat.

But in every practical respect the US has no better defense from a nuclear attack from China than from Russia, and Chinese certainly have a considerable overkill capability vs the US, that is, they can effectively destroy the US several times over. Even if Russia’s nuclear capacities are greater the distinction seems moot.

Chuck said...

walter said...
I can't remember, Chuck.
Have you been similarly concerned by Dems stalking and in person confrontations with Trump admin?
You know..actual actions..not mere keyboard typing?

I was thinking of that very subject this morning. In the following context; there is scarcely ever a kind word written about Mitch McConnell (and his wife, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao) by Althouse or her commenters. Until, in late June, some protesters tried to confront McConnell, with his wife, on a Washington street leaving a private event. And Secretary Chao yelled back at them. Then, that sort of counter-confrontation was the sort of thing that Althouse wanted to post, and her commenters liked it.
TrumpWorld is a lot like professional wrestling. They want that kind of action.

I do remember you saying essentially the upheaval/disruption that taking trump out doesn't concern you because you've got yours. You know..damn the greater good.

I presume that you wrote "essentially" because you could not locate an actual quote from me on that. There is no quote from me like that. I never "essentially" said anything like that.

I'm not doing any "mob violence" if Trump gets impeached. I'm not doing any "mob violence" if Trump serves out his term.

I'll probably join a public demonstration of some kind, as a Republican opposed to Trump, if Trump were ever to try to shut down the Special Counsel.

Kevin said...

Bagoh20: "I watch these people on MSNBC and CNN, etc, and I can't understand how they can be either so dishonest or so stupid about this stuff."

They were in control for eight years. Their utopia was still being created, and now this TRUMP person has taken over.

They care not how much damage they do, for they must regain control of whoever sits in the Oval Office. Only then will the real damage be contained.

Trump's greatest sin is their shame has no impact. He is Godzilla, and they the small Japanese people running around in gloves and helmets.

daskol said...

Robert Cook said "It has nothing to do with Trump or any fantasy "Universal Theory of Whatzit." The "hatred" of Putin is simply a contrivance. In order to continue to justify the ongoing post-WWII project of American global hegemony..."

as instapundit puts it, we are in the midst of the renegotiation of the post WWII world order. I think the world would be better off under more of an American hegemony, not less, so hopefully that's the direction this is headed. why, Robert Cook, do you think this is the diminishment of US hegemony vs. the diminishment of the polity that actually is cracking up at the moment, namely the EU? things could go bad for us as well, but it's the Eastern Atlantic, and not the Western Atlantic, whose alliances and global influence are disappearing along with the EU.

how can you argue with that, or do you consider the EU as part of the project of American global hegemony?

Drago said...

LOL

LLR Chuck turns a question about leftist radicals harrassing republicans into an anti-Althouse screed!

Its all just too obvious, isnt it.

MacMacConnell said...

But, DBQ the Russian hack of the RNC was the equivalent of Pearl Harbor and Kristallnacht all rolled in to one and Trumps presser with Putin was treasonous because Trump didn't punch Putin out like JFK did Khrushchev. It's so bad Democrat elected officials are calling on the US Military to stop Trump.



Kevin said...

I was thinking of that very subject this morning. In the following context; there is scarcely ever a kind word written about Mitch McConnell

They liked when he killed the filibuster and passed tax reform. Not so much when he passed the spending bill. They'll like it if he keeps the Senate in session during August for make-up work, but I suspect a bunch of stuff is suddenly getting passed so they don't have to.

In between there is nothing much on which to comment. Mitch keeps a low profile. Always has.

buwaya said...

Chuck, your personal responses are not the sum of things.

The trouble here is what a great number of other people do, or are likely to do.

The problem with situations like this is that there are many players with different natures and agendas.
And alliances are both contingent and fleeting.

A close study of the Spanish Civil war is instructive.

Kevin said...

LLR Chuck turns a question about leftist radicals harrassing republicans into an anti-Althouse screed!

Always. And non-Trump posts into discussions about Trump.

This thread is about anti-Trump mob violence and what does Chuck bring to the party? Something about John Miller.

daskol said...

it is they, after all, who are right at Putin's doorstep. I don't understand how you can seemingly take in the same facts in such a relatively rare to be found clear-headed way, and then come up with the notion that Putin-hatred is something WE are promoting to promote our hegemony. there is organic Putin hatred, or at least Putin fear, and it does not come from CNN or the NYT or the WaPo. dude just annexed Crimea for crying out loud.

Steve M. Galbraith said...

But, "TREASON!11Eleventy!!" is overkill.

Everything has to be so over the top now. That includes the comments here - or some of them - by Trump defenders.

We have an absolutely reckless and irresponsible news media. It's as if tabloid mentality has infected their judgments. But it's worse because I think the tabloid journalists knew they were hyping stories for ratings. This current groups believes their sensationalism.

Trump is awful, just awful. But somehow, some way, his critics are even worse.

What a mess we're in as a country.

daskol said...

meanwhile, Merkel is enriching Putin's Russia at the same time that the rest of NATO is afraid of Putin's next move. Germany is the one whose hegemony, such as it is, is failing in this renegotiation of the world order, and they're acting badly. Trump was not wrong to call out the misbehavior of our "ally" the Germans. our great allies the Germans, against whom two world wars were fought in the 20th century, and who make common cause now with a Russia trying to find its way in the new post wwwII world order.

daskol said...

it is the Germans who are losing their influence, and it is they we should be watching out for. getting closer to Putin, before Germany has a chance to do so, seems like a pretty good idea if our world order is indeed crumbling.

pacwest said...

"Dems Ready to Subpoena Trump Translator Who Was in Closed Door Putin Meeting"

And Chuck wondered yesterday why President Trump didn't have an advisor with him in the meeting.

It's becoming increasingly obvious the Obama administration weaponized the CIA, FBI, DOJ, IRS at the very least. The pattern of the left's accusations against their opponents being a deflection of their own guilts is and has been easy to spot for several years. It's about all they've got. I wouldn't have had thought it 2 years ago, but yes, we do have a treason problem in the USA.

The closer we get to the truth the shriller it gets. My main concern at this point is the possibility of assasinations, er, 'accidents'. I'd guess the CIA is pretty good at it although I think they are not that desperate yet.

If there are not a lot of Clintonites under the jail by the end of this we are doomed. And I don't give a rats ass how conspiracy minded the above sounds or how much flack I catch for it from moderates (whom I used to count myself among). This is nothing like "politics as usual". When a coup is advocated by national leaders it is real treason. And I am beyond checking my premises about this. At some point you know it is a duck.

I still can't figure why the media is complicit in this process. I know there are true believers and the misled, but they are not stupid. What do they hope to gain?

The underpinnings of the nation are under attack. I've already got mine, so it would be easy to ignore it all, but I have progeny who have progeny. I don't want them living in a dystopian future and that is where this is headed.

P.S. I will try to return to my moderate and reasonable self and argue pros and cons of policy (Trump is fucking up international trade, he's right on immigration), but on this issue my mind is made up. High Treason is being committed in the USA, and not by President Trump.

Kevin said...

Arguably Russia still has more nuclear weapons and better delivery systems than China, but that may no longer be so.

At last count China was still fourth in warheads, behind France.

MD Greene said...

When Mitt Romney said Russia was a big scary monster, we ridiculed him.

When Putin appropriated Crimea, we shrugged. When a Russian missile shot from Ukraine took down a passenger jet, it was, like, no biggie. When Putin assisted in negotiating the critical Iran nuculer (cq) deal, that deal was the gold standard. When Putin helped Bashar Assad crack down on Syrian dissidents with chemical gas, we drew a red line and then said, never mind. When the Clinton Foundation received $145 million in Russian donations as Rosneft was negotiating the purchase of American uranium, that was just a coincidence.

The US doesn't share a border with Russia, and it cannot seize one of our warm-water ports. The US wants a quiet Middle East and doesn't care much if Russia meddles there to keep the place quiet. The US is signaling to Europe that NATO is a two-way street and, by the way, the EU DOES have Russia on its flank, which the US does not.

In short, there's nothing we have that Russia wants, except perhaps access to our financial institutions for money stashing purposes. And we have the Magnitsky Act to hurt the oligarchs in their pocketbooks and to close their access bolt holes -- their most sensitive spots.

So I find it hard to take the treason talk seriously. I don't believe Putin had better insights about the 2016 election than all our pollsters and data journalists. I think he cares more about elections in Turkey and that he regards meddling with Facebook, that bastion of news and political influence, as a minor hobby at best.

When it comes to the US-Russia poker game, we have the stronger hand.

Yancey Ward said...

"Let me ask you a question, you know D.C., why do these people dislike Putin, the president of post-communist Russia more than they ever seemed to dislike the communist leaders?" Carlson just repeated the question, and Cohen said "There is an answer but we'd need a lot more time and a psychiatrist."

I gave you the answer the other day- the point in time when Putin became Public Enemy #1 of the Left was his jailing of "Pussy Riot". After that point, it became extremely non-PC to deny that Putin was the next Hitler. But for that event, there would have been almost no criticism of Putin by the Obama Administration over Ukraine and Crimea. Indeed, I think quite likely that the active undermining of the pro-Russian Ukrainian government by Obama the EU would never have happened and that The Crimea would have still been a part of The Ukraine today.

buwaya said...

China just took the South China Sea, which is enormously more significant in terms of geopolitics. And its been openly threatening its neighbors, US allies, and playing games of aerial-naval "chicken" with them.

Not much concern on that front though.

walter said...

chuck..so your answer is no.
And yes..you did essentially say the bit about being set, having your own.
It informs...and you will deny and avoid the initial question...as always.

Matt Sablan said...

Weird that jailing some band got people more upset than killing journalists, which got the left less upset than Putin maybe hurting Clinton's election chances.

It's just weird what got the majority of the left up in arms over Russia. I guess it helped to memory hole the fact *Romney was right about Russia, and Obama was wrong.*

daskol said...

buwaya, the Chinese expand within their sphere of influence, while the Germans have always had their eyes on their sphere of influence: all of Europe. if we are renegotiating the post-world war II world order, why would you think China would pose a more immediate threat to US interests than Russia or a frustrated Germany?

traditionalguy said...

For the fun of it, the 4 chan world says that Fifa soccer ball Putin passed on to Trump contained 16 terrabites in 16 1 terrabite thumb drives containing all Russian intel, along with the key that decodes the encrypted part of the intel that the NSA already has collected.

If so, that would be like Saudi Arabia's flip last November that gave up the info on whom they had bribed for the last 30 years.

The DOJ is going to need another 46,000 sealed Federal Indictments.

n.n said...

There was an actual mob at the inauguration and select venues (including homes) thereafter.

pacwest said...

Blogger buwaya said...
"China just took the South China Sea,"

Oh, I'm concerned about it. Trump had a closed door meeting with Xi and now this. It's treason I tell you. Treason.

Now that eleventy cubed has been reached there are no other explanations for anything.

Fuckem.

n.n said...

China just took the South China Sea, which is enormously more significant in terms of geopolitics. And its been openly threatening its neighbors...

Removing North Korea from China's orbit may be the first step to control China's ambitions. Depriving them of raw resources would contribute to that goal. So would weaning Americans of profits from their dependence on environmental and labor arbitrage.

daskol said...

n.n. tells us about good mobs, and bad mobs. let's enjoy the crowds/mobs at Trump events and worry less about the "mobs" the yappers yap about.

bagoh20 said...

Putin has always deserved the derision he is now getting, but the Dems didn't feel that before Trump. Trump could therefore take credit for bringing Dems around and bringing us all together and patriotic, except the Dems hate our President so much, despite the facts regarding his policies with Russia, that it just can't be said. If it wasn't for the power of their hate, we could say the Dems have found patriotism.

Chuck said...

walter said...
chuck..so your answer is no.
And yes..you did essentially say the bit about being set, having your own.
It informs...and you will deny and avoid the initial question...as always.


Quote me, or give me a link. Preferably both. Do that, or shut the fuck up.

daskol said...

although if more people on the left don't wise up and listen to the Lakoffs and the Stephen Cohens of the world, Trump might actually shoot someone on 5th avenue at some point in his second term. I'm not tired of all the winning just yet, but the lack of an opposition is starting to make me a bit nervous for our future.

MacMacConnell said...

I thought foreigners meddling in elections was an "act of war". If so why are San Francisco democrats registering illegals to vote?

alan markus said...

Henry said...

Remember that day when everyone flipped out because President Trump said stupid stuff in a press conference with Vladimir Putin? I was in my fifth grade class when a teacher burst in the room. "The President insulted the CIA" she cried out and we all started to cry.

7/18/18, 7:52 AM


Five hours later, still the winner of the Internet today. Figured it needed to be front and centered in the 2nd batch of "200" comments.

n.n said...

the lack of an opposition is starting to make me a bit nervous for our future

Yes. Religious/moral philosophy for self-moderating, responsible individuals. Competing interests to mitigate the risk of others running amuck.

Chuck said...

pacwest said...
"Dems Ready to Subpoena Trump Translator Who Was in Closed Door Putin Meeting"

And Chuck wondered yesterday why President Trump didn't have an advisor with him in the meeting.


I did wonder that. In part, because even among CIA field officers, it is s.o.p. to have two agents together for any meeting with Russian agents.

The general answer that came from the administration was that Trump didn't want any aides sidetracking his dialogue, and that Trump didn't trust possible leakers.

And my response was that if Trump can't find a very small handful of non-leakers in his administration, we all have some serious problems.

The fact that Trump's choice for a private meeting was so unusual, and the fact that there is so much hinky history with Trump, the Trump Organization and Russia, makes it an obvious target, to talk with Trump's translator. Trump brings this shit on himself.

bagoh20 said...

What will they call it if Trump really does fuck up something or act illegally? They have already used "treason", "9/11", "Pearl Harbor", "Japanese Internment" "The Holocaust", "Hitler", etc, etc.

Maybe they can call it the "Obamacare Website", or "Fast and Furious", or "IRS election meddling".

walter said...

Oohhh..Angry Chuck! I love it when you inevitably get ta cussin'.
And still avoiding the initial question.

bagoh20 said...

"And my response was that if Trump can't find a very small handful of non-leakers in his administration, we all have some serious problems."

Maybe he can find some in the FBI, CIA, or Justice Department. Those people are sworn to keep quiet, and they really take that serious.

Drago said...

LLR and #AdmittedSmearMerchant Chuck: "The fact that Trump's choice for a private meeting was so unusual,..."

Its not unusual at all.

As all pro-dem smear merchants like yourself kniw full well.

Hang in there Chuckie. Li'l Dickie "US troops are gestapo" Durbin and Stolen Valor Sen Blumenthal are counting on you!

pacwest said...

"The fact that Trump's choice for a private meeting was so unusual, and the fact that there is so much hinky history with Trump, the Trump Organization and Russia, makes it an obvious target, to talk with Trump's translator. Trump brings this shit on himself."

And you think the subpoena call wouldn't be applied to an aide if he was in the room? Get real.

Yancey Ward said...

Chuck again beclowning himself:

"The fact that Trump's choice for a private meeting was so unusual"

You are such an idiot, Chuck. Private meetings with foreign leaders happen all the time. This has literally been pointed out to you several times now over the last 3 days with links to when it has happened in the past by myself and several other people, and yet you continue to show up here in the thread making the exact same wrong assertion about it being "unusual".

Seriously, do you have any self-respect at all? Everyone here sees you telling this lie that has been proven as such several times. You don't have to acknowledge the mistake- you could just stop making the assertion about it being "unusual", but to keep saying just makes you look stupid to everyone, even those who actually agree with your anti-Trump stances.

Jon Ericson said...

Remember that submarine that was flying the Jolly Roger on it's return home?
Recall that military data center in Saudi Arabia?
Splicin'.
This is gonna be great!

Drago said...

Do note how our careless LLR Smear Merchant Chuck offers up a lie that was just a bit too obvious regarding Presidential private meetings.

Tsk tsk Chuckie. Your dem operational pals expect much more from you.

LOL

Drago said...

Yancey to LLR Chuck: "..but to keep saying just makes you look stupid to everyone, even those who actually agree with your anti-Trump stances."

Remember, Chuck is only here to smear Trump and advance lefty talking points.

Looking stupid is clearly a small price for him to pay for that privilege.

Browndog said...

China just took the South China Sea, which is enormously more significant in terms of geopolitics. And its been openly threatening its neighbors, US allies, and playing games of aerial-naval "chicken" with them.

Not much concern on that front though.


Hell, China has stolen more military secrets than the Soviets/Russians could ever dream of (and continue to this very day). Sometimes they just buy them when a Clinton is President.

MadTownGuy said...

pacwest said: "I still can't figure why the media is complicit in this process. I know there are true believers and the misled, but they are not stupid. What do they hope to gain?"

It's because, for as long as most of us can remember, our institutions of higher learning have conflated education and indoctrination - especially in Journalism.

wwww said...



War is more, not less, likely if Putin gets the impression the USA will not intervene on behalf of the Baltics or other states that were a part of the Soviet empire.

Last night Trump suggested he did not agree with Article 5 & NATO obligations on Fox News. Montenegro was the example. Trump suggested he would not want to intervene if Article 5 was invoked. If Putin thinks the USA will not come to the defence of Nations like Montenegro...

Possibility: Russian invasion. Article 5 invocation. USA does intervene, as the USA is part of NATO.

The likelyhood of war is higher if Putin gets confused boundaries from Trump.

Jon Ericson said...

Now that Chuck's foaming, let's see if Pickering shows up.

Rusty said...

I'm not doing any "mob violence" if Trump gets impeached. I'm not doing any "mob violence" if Trump serves out his term.

I'll probably join a public demonstration of some kind, as a Republican opposed to Trump, if Trump were ever to try to shut down the Special Counsel.

Of course you won't do any violence, Chuck. You have Antifa to do your violence. You're a democrat. Democrats love violence.

Michael K said...

Gun sales dropped briefly after Trump was elected but, once Resistence got going, they picked up again.

Watch ammo sales. California is trying to shut it down.

Drago said...

wwww: "War is more, not less, likely if Putin gets the impression the USA will not intervene on behalf of the Baltics or other states that were a part of the Soviet empire."

Fantastic.

Please contact the Pentagon immediately.

Your insight is invaluable.

It's unfortunate you failed to alert obama to these military-geo-political realities prior to Crimea and Ukraine.

So many lost opportunities. So very very many.

John Pickering said...

An stands with many of her readers in preferring the possibility that the U.S President is a Russian agent than to have Donald Trump removed from office.

daskol said...

you think Trump told Putin he had misgivings about Article 5 in their private meeting? I doubt it. that’s just to get the Euros to send NATO more Euros. Putin knows what’s up.

Pookie Number 2 said...

An stands with many of her readers in preferring the possibility that the U.S President is a Russian agent than to have Donald Trump removed from office.

As does every normal person that respects the Constitution and is capable of recognizing the sheer idiocy of accusing Trump of being “a Russian agent”.

Honestly, all you accomplish with this brainless hysteria is to reassure people that the reality of Trump isn’t so bad.

Drago said...

Jon Ericson: "Now that Chuck's foaming, let's see if Pickering shows up."
7/18/18, 1:57 PM

Voila!

John Pickering: "An stands with many of her readers in preferring the possibility that the U.S President is a Russian agent than to have Donald Trump removed from office"
7/18/18, 2:17 PM

LOL

Unexpectedly.

Michael K said...

The loonies are showing now.

Gahrie said...

An stands with many of her readers in preferring the possibility that the U.S President is a Russian agent than to have Donald Trump removed from office.

That's because we're sane.

buwaya said...

If Nato(Germany) wants to defend Europe from Russia, job #1 is to be friendly with Poland, which has the men and incentive and willingness to do that, and, after all, one has to pass through all of Poland to get to the Russian border anyway.

But the EU(Germany) is trying its bureaucratic best to overthrow the very popular Polish government. Indeed, the propaganda campaign in Europe is far more anti-Polish than anti-Putin.

Nobody on the pro-Nato but anti-Trump side has bothered to explain this conundrum.

tcrosse said...

Miss Pickering prefers the probability that Hillary Clinton is a Russian agent. Follow the money.

Drago said...

buwaya: "But the EU(Germany) is trying its bureaucratic best to overthrow the very popular Polish government. Indeed, the propaganda campaign in Europe is far more anti-Polish than anti-Putin"

The EU is attempting to undermine the governments of Hungary and Italy as well.

The reasons are obvious.

Drago said...

tcrosse: "Miss Pickering prefers the probability that Hillary Clinton is a Russian agent. Follow the money"

Nonsense!

Hillary only received a mere $145 Million from Putin's Russian energy oligarch pals!

Everyone knows that Hillary cannot truly be purchased for anything less than $146 Million.

Clearly.

Browndog said...


Everyone knows that Hillary cannot truly be purchased for anything less than $146 Million.


That's why Hillary gave Lavrov the "overcharge" button.

Silly him, thought it was a joke.

FullMoon said...

Ya know, you anti Chuck people, he posts similar comments on a golf blog.

There are a few Trump hysterics there. Eventually it ends up same as it does here: "Surely you can't be serious."

FullMoon said...

Chuck still pissed Trump let the wrong kind of people in the golf club. THAT is the real problem.

Rusty said...

John Pickering @ 2:17
Do you read what peole post here or do you just type what the voices in your head tell you?

Original Mike said...

Blogger FullMoon said...”Ya know, you anti Chuck people, he posts similar comments on a golf blog.”

You mean he posts Trump harangues on a golf blog?

Jim at said...

An stands with many of her readers in preferring the possibility that the U.S President is a Russian agent than to have Donald Trump removed from office.

Pickering = sheer lunatic

Matt Sablan said...

"If Putin thinks the USA will not come to the defence of Nations like Montenegro..."

-- We didn't do much for the Ukraine. Or Georgia. Or the Green Revolution.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Pickering = sheer lunatic

Possible, but my suspicion is that he’s just too tribal to resist unquestioningly swallowing the nonsense that miscreants like Adam Schiff dole out to their credulous followers.

Jon Ericson said...

Matt Rivitz contractor?

Anonymous said...

This from a WaPo article yesterday on another Us/Russia relationship

I like Stalin,” he wrote in a July 29, 1945, letter to his wife. “He is straightforward, knows what he wants and will compromise when he can’t get it.”

Truman also invited Stalin to the United States and said he would send the USS Missouri for the Soviet leader. He wrote in a diary entry dated July 18, 1945:

He said he wanted to cooperate with U.S. in peace as we had cooperated in War but it would be harder. Said he was grossly misunderstood in U.S. and I was misunderstood in Russia. I told him that we each could help remedy that situation in our home countries and that I intended to try with all I had to do my part at home He gave me a most cordial smile and said he would do as much in Russia.

“Truman believed in personal diplomacy. He believed in personal contacts with people. He prided himself in his ability to understand people and work with them,” Rushay said. “[Stalin] was a guy he felt he can kind of relate to.”

Sound familiar?

FullMoon said...
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FullMoon said...


You mean he posts Trump harangues on a golf blog?

Yep. Didn't bookmark the site and has been awhile since I found it.
Not only that, he watches golf on TV and calls in if he notices a violation. I am not kidding.

Anonymous said...

Even after the Berlin blockade :

"Two years later, in 1947, the Cold War between the Soviet Union and the United States began. But Truman’s opinion of Stalin didn’t seem to change.

I got very well acquainted with Joe Stalin, and I like old Joe! He is a decent fellow. But Joe is a prisoner of the Politburo,” Truman said in Oregon in 1948, referring to the Soviet Union’s policymaking body."

bleh said...

The selective amnesia among Democrats still blows me away. When Russia invaded Georgia in the summer of 2008, President Bush responded (perhaps too weakly) with sanctions and condemnation. The Bush administration pressed ahead with its plans to build missile defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.

In his first year in office, President Obama sought a "reset" of relations with Russia. In early spring 2009 he sent a "secret" letter to Medvedev offering to cancel the missile defense systems in exchange for Russia's help in containing Iran. It was a straight-up quid pro quo. Soon after that was the official "reset" summit with Hillary et al. Then Obama met with Putin in the summer. In September, Obama officially scrapped the missile defense system. Then, in 2010, Obama cancelled the Bush-era sanctions punishing Russia for the invasion of Georgia.

When Mitt Romney characterized Russia as our number one foe, Obama mocked him. When Obama met with Medvedev in 2012, he asked him to tell Putin to wait because Obama would have more "flexibility" to negotiate with him after the election.

In 2014, Putin invaded and conquered Crimea.

Gee, I wonder why the Democrats ignore all this history.

Anonymous said...

WaPo article link.

mockturtle said...

One wonders why anyone who thinks we're a bunch of commie subversives would bother hanging around here.

mockturtle said...

Gee, I wonder why the Democrats ignore all this history.

History only began when Trump was elected.

walter said...

Wiped with a cloth.

Anonymous said...

I just read a piece by David French on NR re Trump's comments about Montenegro. French claims that it would be impossible for Montenegro to drag NATO into a war. Since he hides behind Twitter, like the Powerline guys hide behind Facebook, I am going to answer here because Ann hides behind nothing!

French seems to have forgotten what started WWI. It began with the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in neighboring Sarajevo and then through a series of miscalculations, which activated various requirements of opposing alliances, ended in Germany, France and Britain ( and ultimately more) going to war. I imagine that it would be quite easy for someone to create a scenario in Montenegro that would trigger NATO's article 5 and send us to war in, or over, Montenegro. So Trump was correct in saying there should be concern about that.

It's amazing how big an asshole some of the MSM people can be when they let their biases (rather than the other "b" word) overwhelm their brains.

Michael said...

Chuck knows trade craft. Sop to have 2 agents interacting with a foreign agent. A bit cumbersome there in Russia as you try to turn an agent. Otoh that could explain a lot about our clownshow intelligence apparatus.

wholelottasplainin said...

Robert Cook said...
"The left does see an alliance between Trump and Putin. That alliance is that both are old fashioned macho men."

You see Trump as a "macho man?" Bwahahaha!

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We have no doubt whatever, Cook, that he is an alpha male, something that you decidedly are not.

FullMoon said...

Machismo (/məˈtʃiːzmoʊ, mɑː-, -ˈtʃɪ-/; Spanish: [maˈtʃizmo]; Portuguese: [maˈʃizmu] (from Spanish and Portuguese "macho", male[1]) is the sense of being 'manly' and self-reliant, the concept associated with "a strong sense of masculine pride: an exaggerated masculinity."[2] It is associated with "a man’s responsibility to provide for, protect, and defend his family.

Jon Ericson said...

Everybody get off your tushes and dance!

Milo Minderbinder said...

The establishment is afraid of what Putin said to Trump behind closed doors. They're not afraid of what Putin may have on Trump, but terrified of what Putin has on them and shared with Trump.

Michael K said...

Milo Minderbinder said...
The establishment is afraid of what Putin said to Trump behind closed doors. They're not afraid of what Putin may have on Trump, but terrified of what Putin has on them and shared with Trump.


Trump and Putin probably had a good laugh at the idiots that were cuddling up to Putin until Trump, and not Hillary, won the election.

They both know the Russians effect on the election was de minimus. The DNC "hack" was an inside job, probably by Seth Rich, who was alive when he was admitted to GW ICU and the resident there was banished from ICU.

Putin probably has the contents of Hillary's email server but, hopefully, Rogers and NSA have a copy, too.

The US intel agencies are leading the Deep State effort but Putin, ex-KGB, knows that as well as Trump does.

Trump's "blunder" was to blurt out the truth about the Intel agencies.

It was a useful moment for Trump to see who are his enemies. I would expect that Rand Paul has gained a lot of stature with Trump now.

Mike said...

BREAKING: Known Putin apologist apologies for the President sucking up to Putin.

Why does no one seem to understand that there is a wide space between war and cringing servility toward Putin? Trump's obsequiousness and slagging of the NATO alliance makes war *more* likely, not less. Because if Putin sense an opportunity, he will take it. Just as he did with Crimea.

Drago said...

Mike: "Trump's obsequiousness and slagging of the NATO alliance makes war *more* likely, not less. Because if Putin sense an opportunity, he will take it. Just as he did with Crimea"

LOL

So then, by this formulation, Russia should NEVER have invaded Crimea, or Ukraine, or gone after Georgia because according to the lefties obambi was super duper good about telling Russia to "knock it off".

But they did.

Huh.

Go figure.

Drago said...

You know, I'm not sure Mikey has really given this subject any deep thought.

But he does know that today's democrat talking points require repeating certain things over and over again, and by gosh he is all over that!

LOL

Bad Lieutenant said...

Why does no one seem to understand that there is a wide space between war and cringing servility toward Putin? Trump's obsequiousness and slagging of the NATO alliance makes war *more* likely, not less. Because if Putin sense an opportunity, he will take it. Just as he did with Crimea.

7/18/18, 9:32 PM


Why do you not understand that NATO's utter ball-less fecklessness is what makes war more likely, far more so than President Trump's pointing it out? The Europeans have no clothes. PDJT is the honest child, the naif who doesn't know to lie. You're not mad at the tailors, you're mad at the boy.

narayanan said...

you noted that Cohen is a contributing editor at The Nation, a left-leaning publication

Cohen is married to Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of the progressive magazine The Nation.

Between them they are showing -loyalty- to their ideology and see the "Russia-gate hoax" perpetration and perpetualtion as bringing disrepute to that.

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