July 21, 2018

I'm trying to understand "Why [Maggie Haberman] Needed to Pull Back From Twitter."

Much of this column, by Haberman at the NYT, is what you always read about social media: some mean and trollish things are said. But that's been true all along, so it doesn't explain why Maggie Haberman needed to get out of a place where she'd been writing for a long time. I'm slogging through the generic critique of Twitter, looking for the specific.

Haberman's announcement that she was taking a "break" from Twitter came last Sunday, and her new column begins, "I woke up last Sunday morning feeling anxiety in my chest as I checked the Twitter app on my phone...." So it's possible that it's all about a worrisome physical symptom. Or perhaps she'd already hated the pressure to tweet and the physical symptom gave her the nerve or the leverage to tell the people at the NYT she wasn't going to do that part of the job anymore.

She presents herself as free to make her own choice not to tweet:
The evening before, I had complained to a close friend that I hated being on Twitter. It was distorting discourse, I said. I couldn’t turn off the noise. She asked what was the worst that could happen if I stepped away from it. There was nothing I could think of. And so just after 6 p.m. last Sunday, I did.

After nearly nine years and 187,000 tweets, I have used Twitter enough to know that it no longer works well for me. I will re-engage eventually, but in a different way.
Is it a purely individual decision like this and not part of what her employers expect her to do?

I remember when I started blogging and loved it and began encouraging my law school colleagues to do it too, nearly all of them were wary — mostly about the time it would take and the distraction — and many of them quickly leapt to the question: Are we going to be required to blog? So, often, over the years, I've thought about how different blogging would be if it were required. Basically, it would be no good at all! The intrinsic good feeling of self-expression would be overwhelmed by annoyance at a disembodied Ghost of Obligation leaning over me, judging me: Have I done enough? In fact, part of what made blogging so energizing for me was the concern that I shouldn't be doing this, that it was transgressive. I've never had the feeling that I'm doing what I'm supposed to, and if that feeling crept into my blogging, I'd change my pattern one way or another.

You may notice that I hardly ever tweet. I'm immersed in the blog, where I have so much choice about what to talk about and how things look on the front page. On Twitter, you have to continually throw things into a big flowing river, and you don't know how or if they float by in whatever it is someone else is seeing when they look at Twitter. It's so unstable and ephemeral. The only way to be more than a meaningless glimmer is if you get other people to boost you with retweets and responses, making people do things — that is, manipulating. And you have to do it constantly, or you're nothing in Twitter. Where did all your work go? You can click on your name and see a page of all you've written, but that doesn't seem to be where anyone else goes. Why are you participating in this immense group project?

But then blogging isn't my job. And tweeting really isn't my job. I would have thought tweeting was part of Haberman's job and that she has extracted an accommodation from her employer. But she does not address the journalist's obligation to tweet.

She does say that what's bad about Twitter has become worse lately: "The viciousness, toxic partisan anger, intellectual dishonesty, motive-questioning and sexism are at all-time highs..." Who knows if that's true? Oh, no! I'm motive-questioning!

And it's not just the quality, it's the quantity:
Everyone I follow on the site seems to be tweeting more frequently, so I had to check in more frequently. No matter the time of day or night, I felt like I had to plug back into the Matrix, only to be overwhelmed by the amount of content.
And, finally, she sneaks up on the subject of Trump:
On Twitter, everything is shrunk down to the same size, making it harder to discern what is a big deal and what is not. Tone often overshadows the actual news. All outrages appear equal. And that makes it harder for significant events — like Mr. Trump’s extraordinarily pliant performance with President Vladimir Putin of Russia — to break through.
Well, yeah, but Haberman pulled back on Twitter the day before the summit. But I see the awful problem. Everyone's writing constantly trying to be seen and that requires even more writing so that you can be seen. And it's got to be galling when what you want seen is how terrible Trump is, and there's Trump, not just being President, but dominating on Twitter...



Ooh! Must we talk about that?!

Back to Haberman:
[P]eople on Twitter have started... treating me as if I am a protagonist [antagonist?] in the president’s narrative. I found myself in the middle of swarms of vicious Twitter attacks, something that has happened to many other journalists in the Trump era. He creates the impression that the media is almost as powerful as he is in his incessant, personalized attacks on reporters on Twitter. But here’s the thing: Most of us don’t want to be part of the story.
Or... don't want to be part of the story when he's able to be right there on the same platform and taking the liberty to attack you directly and by name. But why wouldn't you want to stay in there, putting up your tweets, defending your work and your reputation, where it will surely be retweeted and amplified by other journalists?

ADDED: Rereading this post, I'm seeing "what made blogging so energizing for me was the concern that I shouldn't be doing this, that it was transgressive" and thinking Trump... that's how Trump feels about tweeting... and maybe about being President.

136 comments:

rhhardin said...

After what happened to Allegra Budenmayer, I'm not surprised she left.

rhhardin said...

If you're attacked, reword what you were saying and try again.

Birkel said...

Perhaps Haberman recognizes that the gatekeepers cannot effectively man the barricades against the Deplorables if everybody has access to the same media. And if so, Haberman is pulling back to Fortress NYT which she believes is wonderful, unique, and important. She is retreating but believes it's a strategic retreat so that she can better fight toward her goals.

And, of course, from within Fortress NYT Haberman will be able to attack those people who see something wonderful, unique, and important about the United States. Because the people who believe America's interests must be prioritized ahead of the interests of all others, Haberman will tell you, are wrong. And they should not have a voice. And if they do have a voice it should be meek. Timid. Deplorables must ask for their thin gruel knowing they don't deserve it.

tim in vermont said...

like Mr. Trump’s extraordinarily pliant performance with President Vladimir Putin of Russia


What is the difference between “pliant” and “flexible”?

Equipment Maintenance said...

Trump broke her.

Owen said...

Prof A: you are having too much fun here. But seriously, I like your thinking on why blogs work and tweets don't. Or, rather, the two forms of expression work very differently and, like you, I like one far better than the other. Blogging is a meditation and commenters can turn it into a shared one. I see it as people nursing an after-dinner drink and looking into the fire, or sometimes a seminar room. What it never is, is a mob running down the street, shouting and throwing things. Which is mostly how I see Twitter, and why I don't bother.

Somebody with skills in communications theory and network analysis (and how humans behave) might usefully compare and contrast the forms. Tweets seem inherently decontextualized and fragmentary --wisecracks or comebacks-- while blogging is not. Done right it is a series of essays that can stand by themselves.

Rob said...

Haberman doesn't enjoy being outside the cocoon. People question her motives and conclusions in a way that never happens among her colleagues and social set. And the cheeky bastards are just a bunch of ignorant deplorables anyway, so why should she want to hear what thay have to say, or worse, give them a public platform to criticize her? Better to disconnect.

Ron said...

I don't think you EVER tweet....you just throw in ads for your blog posts.

I view Twitter as a big, never ending cocktail party.....you come, you go, have a smokey link or two while you're working on a highball....it isn't about PRESENTING MY THOUGHTS TO ALWAYS BE GAZED UPON....it makes me stretch my conversational muscles.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Will the Dems and Fake News ever learn? No, Mr. President, they will not.

Oso Negro said...

Yes, Trump is well-acquainted with the pleasure of being transgressive. We haven't had a public figure like him since the young Muhammad Ali. "I AM the greatest"!

Sydney said...

On Twitter, you have to continually throw things into a big flowing river,...

That's true of Facebook, too, and it is why people should ignore social media attacks against them. It will all float away down river and in a few days no one will remember it.

Henry said...

After 9 years and 0 tweets, I too, am stepping away from Twitter.

Sydney said...

I thought this essay was a good summation of what's wrong with social media:

How did I become that person? It happened because it was exhilarating. Every time I would call someone racist or sexist, I would get a rush. That rush would then be reaffirmed and sustained by the stars, hearts, and thumbs-up that constitute the nickels and dimes of social media validation. The people giving me these stars, hearts, and thumbs-up were engaging in their own cynical game: A fear of being targeted by the mob induces us to signal publicly that we are part of it.

I've heard social media compared to slots in that they are both extremely addictive because you are always hoping for that little signal of reward. I can see that. Addictive mob action, always available, unlike real mobs.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

I'm quitting Twitter because I am not winning on Twitter anymore. More people call me out on my bullshit in the Trump era and it makes me uncomfortable. I quit.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

Owen: "What it never is, is a mob running down the street, shouting and throwing things. Which is mostly how I see Twitter, and why I don't bother."

Not a mob action, but isolated verbal spit fights do time-to-time disturb and disrupt the quiet cerebral congeniality we cherish at Alt-House.

rehajm said...

Its hard to get worked up- my side doesn’t have a monopoly on the narrative so im leaving temporarily?

Like threatening to move to Canada.

mccullough said...

Low Energy Haberman

traditionalguy said...

Poetry. Pure poetry.

Confronting our past memories is a confrontation with reality; and that is what Tweets by DJT do to us. It makes us go back to a Great American reality. It's nostalgia. And it is waking up to grounded meanings that serve us well. We can DEAL with reality. It was the intense Media Illusions that made us depressed and lost.

Owen said...

Hammond X. Gritzkofe: "...isolated verbal spit-fights...". LOL, yes, I see those flare up and, lucky for all of us, die down again. This crew is remarkable for uts civility, humor and intellectual horsepower. I always come away smarter and encouraged. The good Prof A must be doing something right.

Ralph L said...

Why are you participating in this immense group project?

Yeah, why are we commenting here?

Ann Althouse said...

"it makes me stretch my conversational muscles."

I guess it depends on following people who regularly respond to you and getting some kind of flow going. I saw how that seemed to go early on and did not think it was a good fit for me, given that I have this blog. I'm just not a group project person, and people tend to get mad at me and waste my time. I want to choose who to converse with and don't think I'd be stretching to react to jabs from people who see me as worth harassing or taking down.

Chuck said...

tim in vermont said...
like Mr. Trump’s extraordinarily pliant performance with President Vladimir Putin of Russia


What is the difference between “pliant” and “flexible”?


Integrity.

Virgil Hilts said...

Twitter's like a giant junior high school. James Gunn gets booted from directing the school play because be called brainiac Ben Shapiro an asshole, and even though all the teachers hate Ben Shapiro, members of the chess team find a bunch of perverted stuff that Gunn wrote and start sticking it up on the bulletin board in the lunch room and the shit hits the fan.

Owen said...

Virgil Hilts: "...giant junior high school." With knives and guns. People seem to suffer deep and lasting damage and distress in the "real world" from their indiscretions or bad luck in the virtual one. The Internet forgets nothing and, while a blog entry or comment can haunt the writer just as much as a Tweet might do, I submit that the odds are lower. When you hang out with a civil crowd and try to tackle real ideas, you reduce the chances that you will be provoked or encouraged to say something truly stupid and offensive.

No guarantees of course, but the odds are better.

Darrell said...

Chuck--

Coming to the defense of Obama again.

You should mark this comment for later removal as is your style.

David Begley said...

I was on Twitter for a short bit before the election. What I liked about it was access to newsmakers, media and public officials and just completely calling them out for their BS. I liked to push back against Larry Tribe, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Ben Rhodes and Val Jarrett. Tribe, in particular, was unhinged. Hard to believe he teaches at Harvard Law. He's now a joke and has ruined his reputation amongst fair-minded people.

They are so full of themselves, so arrogant, so wrong and massive liars. Total and complete failures by any objective standard other than their net worth.

Maggie just trades in false gossip and speculation under the guise of news. Yeah, some of the language pushing back against her is tough but she deserves it. The days of East Coast Elites running the show is over. Maggie just wants to go back to the good old days when the NYT set the agenda and told us how to think and what to do. Fuck them all. They are finished. Trump wins 40 states. Then what?

fivewheels said...

"Haberman doesn't enjoy being outside the cocoon."

Correct. I consider myself a fairly sober, reasonable commenter who doesn't get personal or uncivil. Haberman is the only person who has ever blocked me on Twitter. I don't remember the tweet that prompted it, but I'm certain it was just garden-variety simple disagreement or presenting an opposite perspective. She lacks the fortitude that, for instance, Althouse has.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Darrell,
I read it as Chuck finally coming around to reality, and acknowledging that Trump has much more integrity than Obama when it comes to which policies are being promoted.

paminwi said...

Rob at 6:34 and David Begly at 8:19 hit the nail on the head.

Wince said...

“Pulling back” implies restraining some external, inexorable force.

“Cutting back” more aptly describes curbing a bad habit like smoking.

Is Haberman saying she lacks independent agency or control when it comes to Tweeting?

narciso said...

For reasons passing understanding, trump has given her scoops, (Yes it's the tale of the scorpion) some stories like with tillersonz ouster did turn out to be true.

Unknown said...

She didn't want Trump to make her part of the story

So she pulled back

and wrote a story about herself, and her feelings, exclusively from her viewpoints.

And now will write exclusively about Trump 80% of the time without feedback.

Bubble Girl.

robother said...

Yeah, bullying ain't no fun when the bullied start punching back.

narciso said...


Her job is to cover the news:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/20/commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-discusses-the-white-house-workforce-initiative

Neil Irvin and Edward porter are just as bad

I'm Full of Soup said...

She has reliably and regularly re-tweeted many, many librul tweets including the fake news tweets like the one that claimed Trump had removed ML King's bust from the White House. So she is protesting too much.

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

"Her job is to cover the news"

Yes, narciso. With a pillow. Until it is silent.

John Henry

chuck said...

> But here’s the thing: Most of us don’t want to be part of the story.

If you don't want to be part of the story, don't make it all about your opinions.

JML said...

tim in vermont said...
like Mr. Trump’s extraordinarily pliant performance with President Vladimir Putin of Russia

What is the difference between “pliant” and “flexible”?

The difference is black and white, my friend....

David Begley said...

I like Birkel's Fortress NYT comment.

Haberman should come her and learn a few things. But she won't. She doesn't want her precious beliefs and dishonest work questioned. She's just a NYC mom doing a job. A nice person. And, of course, she's right and we are all Deplorables who don't deserve the time of day.

Chuck said...

Darrell said...
Chuck--

Coming to the defense of Obama again.

You should mark this comment for later removal as is your style.


You worthless jackass.

My one-word comment said nothing about Obama. The comment that I replied to said nothing about Obama. I've never once voted for Obama. Althouse says that she did vote for Obama. Yet you pick on me.

As for your allegation that I have deleted past comments to avoid (what?) review(?); you're full of shit as always. You can't point to a single example. You miserable pussy.

chuck said...

> What is the difference between “pliant” and “flexible”?

The first is feminine, the second masculine.

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

RHHardin

Iagree about Allegra. It is poisonous what the fascists did to her. Now she is not only unemployed, her landlord is threatening to evict her. The mob of protesters outside her apartment building apparently voids her lease.

And ACLU is doing NOTHING!

Will Maggie come to her aid? I seriously doubt it.

#whospeaksforallegr

John Henry

Chris N said...

Isn’t commenting on a blog a bit more like Twitter?

You’re like the network admin, and there must be some days where you gaze at the comment thread and just focus on your flow instead. Would you be satisfied as a commenter on your own blog?

Instead of Twitter’s social justice San Fran slant (let’s not make this a fecal matter), you are biased in favor of speech, contrarian feminism, and a curious mix of hippie artistic self-expression combined with profound skepticism, critique and analysis. I still very much appreciate it.

***I would be fine if Twitter went into bankruptcy, re-emerging with new admins and much less clear politics. The feed functionality is still important, but the few clever fools running the show are encouraging the worst behavior amongst packs of barking morons.

Even if I did agree with the politics, it’s hard not to notice the shit-stains everywhere.

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

Chuck sound upset that Obama's legacy has turned out to be President Trump.

Me, I think we will eventually come to recognize Obama as one of the great presidents because of his legacy.

Incompetence or plan? Who cares? The result is what counts.

John Henry

sinz52 said...

As a profession, reporters and journalists--whether left or right, Dem or Repub--should avoid Twitter.

On Twitter, it's impossible to avoid stating one's opinions. And having done so, the reporter's or journalist's objectivity is immediately thrown into doubt.

Darrell said...

Me, I think we will eventually come to recognize Obama as one of the great presidents because of his legacy.

The only legacy Obama will see is if he visits a Subaru dealership.

sinz52 said...

"Trump wins 40 states. Then what? "

Then Trump tries to turn America into a neo-fascist country, as he has been doing. And he and his supporters are continually frustrated that the rest of our constitutional and political system won't let them do that.

After the November elections, their two years' of fun will be over.

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

There is an alternative to Twitter. Gab.ai is like Twitter but more supportive of free speech.

I wonder what percentage of Twitter is driven by President Trump. His tweets and people talking about him.

I suspect that he could kill Twitter if he started cross posting to Gab.

I don't use either, though ive tried both.

John Henry

Darrell said...

I wonder if sinz 1-51 have any brains?

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

Sinz52,

Where's the evidence of this neo-fascism?

All I see is neo-fascists in the street complaining about President Trump. I see no need for the neo, either.

What is he doing that is fascist? He's curbi g govt powers which would seem to be the very definition of anti-fascism.

John Henry

Michael K said...

And, of course, from within Fortress NYT Haberman will be able to attack those people who see something wonderful, unique, and important about the United States.

Yes, they are behind walls and can throw some boiling oil on that rabble below.

The local Tucson paper, which leans pretty hard left, printed that fake story on the supposed military recruits being "kicked out" of the military they never joined.

The "tell" in such a fake story is the "Private second class" being "discharged" from a military he never joined.

For those who have never been in the military and know nothing about it (A fair number on the left) there is no such thing as "private second class." Just like "Corpseman."

Curious George said...

Chuck said...
You worthless jackass.

My one-word comment said nothing about Obama. The comment that I replied to said nothing about Obama. I've never once voted for Obama. Althouse says that she did vote for Obama. Yet you pick on me."

Are you really that stupid to not understand that "flexibility" was referring to the hot microphone that picked up Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues like missile defense after the 2012 election?

I suppose. But I think you are just a liar.

Wince said...

Pulling back is the new “Lean In”?

As someone recently commented, where has the Lean In girl Sandberg been amidst the social media controversy of late?

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

So you're anti Trump, Darrell?

Do you think we would have gotten him or anyone like him had McCain or Romney won?

Would a McCain or Romney presidency have been any different fro the Obama one?

No. We would still be in the valley of darkness with o end in sight.

John Henry

Darrell said...

So you're anti Trump, Darrell?

Hell no!

Read what I said again, if that led you to that conclusion.

Michael K said...

And he and his supporters are continually frustrated that the rest of our constitutional and political system won't let them do that.

Boy, we have a real live Fascist here in the discussion.

Which part of the "constitutional and political system" is preventing anything ?

Maxine Waters supporters who burned a flag and made their opinions of America clear?

A news reporter suspected of being a rightwing provocateur was chased across a busy street. He jumped into a car and drove off at high speed. A second man in a polo shirt had fingers jabbed into his face and was escorted away, even though he insisted he was a Waters supporter.

When a flatbed truck with a large American flag in the back pulled up outside the office, activists spat at the driver and his passenger, threw water and eggs at them, and grabbed the flag, which they then burned to chants of: “One two three four, slavery, genocide and war. Five six seven eight, America was never great!”


Nice work, sinz

Chris N said...

Fun fact: Allegra Budenmayer started out as a hard-scrabble newsie hawking The Times down in the Bowery. One cold winter’s day, legend has it she hitched a ride under a delivery truck, scrambled beneath a bay door, and there, atop a printing press, the little angel, she curled-up inside yesterday’s news.

Which makes today’s news so much harder to take. Where’s the Allegra I used to know? The Budenmayer with a heart as wide as the East River? I could stroll those banks forever, mesmerized by all the stuff floating by.

Curious George said...

"Darrell said...
So you're anti Trump, Darrell?

Hell no!

Read what I said again, if that led you to that conclusion."

John Henry said Obama's legaacy is Trump, and he will become one of the greatest POTUS's because of his legacy...that is he lead to Trump.

Darrell said...

I was one of the first here to come around to Trump, after initially leaning to Cruz. But I got a few seconds to talk to Cruz, and he went on about smart amnesty (it's going to happen, my friend.) When I said the only smart amnesty now is immediate deportation (self-deportation preferably), he walked away.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

I sure hope the Democrat Party Press and Mueller and the Deep State get to the bottom of Trump's sex life.

Clinton's sex life was none of our business and those women were NOT to be believed.

Darrell said...

John Henry said Obama's legaacy is Trump, and he will become one of the greatest POTUS's because of his legacy...that is he lead to Trump.

Yeah...I agree with that. But I wanted to make my Subaru joke.

Darrell said...

I first made that Subaru joke around 2013. My first Obama joke after he won the Nobel Peace Prize was the he won an Olympic Gold Medal--the judges never saw anyone go downhill that fast.

wholelottasplainin said...

"On Twitter, you have to continually throw things into a big flowing river, and you don't know how or if they float by in whatever it is someone else is seeing when they look at Twitter."
*******************

In my experience, what floats by is mainly turds.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“She does say that what's bad about Twitter has become worse lately: "The viciousness, toxic partisan anger, intellectual dishonesty, motive-questioning and sexism are at all-time highs..."”

This can be said of the Althouse comments sections if one is not a Trump supporter.

Humperdink said...

Isn't it hilarious that our commie-pinko buddies label Trump a fascist. Yet the brownshirts on the left continue to promote violence in the streets against an administration that wants to shrink the size of government.

Sebastian said...

Twitter is losing its luster because Trump is using it effectively and progs are not.

Michael K said...


“She does say that what's bad about Twitter has become worse lately: "The viciousness, toxic partisan anger, intellectual dishonesty, motive-questioning and sexism are at all-time highs..."”

This can be said of the Althouse comments sections if one is not a Trump supporter.


This is amusing as one of the few who contribute the nasty stupid comments weighs in.

Carol said...

Trump talks mean and juts his chin out like Mussolini. Hence, fascist.

The thing with him is, he doesn't give women reporters a pussy pass. It is a bit unsettling if you've been used to gentler treatment over the years. But it's real and she should expect to be treated as the men are.

Or is he even harder on the women? I'll have to watch for that.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Trump wins 40 states. Then what? "

“Then Trump tries to turn America into a neo-fascist country, as he has been doing. And he and his supporters are continually frustrated that the rest of our constitutional and political system won't let them do that.

After the November elections, their two years' of fun will be over.”
———————————————-

Their cultism blinders prevent them from seeing this as a possibility.

Darrell said...

Their cultism blinders prevent them from seeing this as a possibility.

It is not a possibilty. You just live in Bizarro World-- where you hit people in the face with bike locks because they disagree with you. Then claim you're the victim.

Paco Wové said...

That was a stupid comment, sinz. Can't you come up with anything better?

glenn said...

Maggie is just mad because the world is flat and some deplorable in Podunk talks back.

Curious George said...

"Inga said...
Their cultism blinders prevent them from seeing this as a possibility."

That explains our avatars, and yours.

Dullard.

rcocean said...

I find twitter incredibly disjointed and hard to follow. Sometimes its hard to determine who is saying what to whom.

As for Halberman, of course she doesn't want "to be part of the Story". She wants everyone to think of her as that anonymous independent reporter speaking truth to power and giving America 'Just the facts ma'am".

Once it became obvious that most these MSM reporters were unpaid DNC operatives with weird personal grudges and idiotic opinions, no one can take them seriously.

JAORE said...

"The thing with him is, he doesn't give women reporters a pussy pass."

Like Jim Acosta?

buwaya said...

There is the romance of rebellion.
Its an ancient thing, deep human nature I think.
Every society has its underdog hero story, its Robin Hoods.

Its no accident that it became an essential component of the Romantic movement, why Byron, the first celebrity rebel, went to Missolonghi. And why to this day theatrical types are attracted to activism.

Carol said...

Like Jim Acosta?


Heh, there you go.

Yeah, Trump's harsh on all of them.

Chuck said...

Curious George said...
Chuck said...
You worthless jackass.

My one-word comment said nothing about Obama. The comment that I replied to said nothing about Obama. I've never once voted for Obama. Althouse says that she did vote for Obama. Yet you pick on me."

Are you really that stupid to not understand that "flexibility" was referring to the hot microphone that picked up Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues like missile defense after the 2012 election?

I suppose. But I think you are just a liar.


I honestly wasn't thinking about that. But my answer to you, and my comment, wouldn't change. I'm not defending Obama. He's not the president anymore. At the time, I think that Obama was rightly ridiculed for that comment. And "flexible" was Obama's own term; again, for which he was ridiculed by those of us on the right.(If Trump had been caught on a hot mic saying the same thing now, we can be certain that much of the country would ridicule Trump for it, and Trump's own base of support would defend him, saying that Trump was just being practical and diplomatic.)

Do you dumb fucks really believe Trump when he says the word he meant to say was "wouldn't"? That's what I'm talking about. If you people want to say that Obama was lacking in integrity along with Trump, I'm okay with that.


Inga...Allie Oop said...

“Do you dumb fucks really believe Trump when he says the word he meant to say was "wouldn't"?”

Yes, they do.

Dullards.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The Hillary lost Butt-Hurt Party continues.

Treason!

readering said...

Miss MH on twitter. She was the best. I also enjoy JPod. I guess it's the ex-NYorker in me.

Darrell said...

Brennan supported the made-up lie that the YouTube video cause the attacks in Egypt and Libya, when the CIA was warned by Egyptian intelligence and the Libyans we put into power that Al Queda was planning 9/11 anniversary attacks. Anyone who know the details of the investigation into the DNC "hack" and the copying of Podesta'a emails knows the CrowdStrike explantion doesn't pass the smell test. Brennan appointed three people (under provisions of a law designed to encourage interagency cooperation after 911) at three other agencies to be his deputies at their agencies and send them the CrowdStrike report, but not any data or any other evidence. He asked them to sign off on that and they did. No independent determination was made. There is more reason too doubt the intelligence agencies than not. BTW, that Russian social media steering campaign was by a private Russian entrepreneur. He was offering social media services steering opinion in Russia and wanted to expand internationally.

FullMoon said...

rhhardin said...

After what happened to Allegra Budenmayer, I'm not surprised she left.
7/21/18, 6:12 AM


What she did in front of kids with that pony at the carnival was un forgivable . I don't care who you are..

Qwinn said...

Oh, bullshit Chuck.

You say Obama was "rightly ridiculed" for the flexibility comment. Why wasn't Obama brought up for investigation? That single comment was far more evidence of "Russian collusion" than anything that was ever brought up re: Trump, and it was directly out of his own miserable mouth! We have him actively *agreeing* to collude on audio. You claim Trump would've been ridiculed too. Bullshit! The entire collusion narrative would switch instantly overnight to make that 'hot mic gaffe' the single hanging thread by which the entire Mueller investigation would be (retroactively) justified, and you f'ing know it.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Trump and Russia
https://www.lifezette.com/2018/07/10-ways-trump-put-real-muscle-in-u-s-policies-defenses-against-russia/

rcocean said...

Do you dumb fucks really believe Trump when he says the word he meant to say was "wouldn't"?”

Trump issued a non-apology, apology. He "clarified" something in such a way, as to make it clear he was only doing it to make the skittish, every frightened, Senate R's happy.

Of course, most of them have been bought by Rich Donors, who require them to squawk about Putin at every opportunity. As for the D's - they have no principles, and simply oppose EVERYTHING Trump does. If tomorrow, Trump was to start bashing Putin 24/7, then Schumer would accuse him of trying to start a new Cold War.

Michael K said...

Do you dumb fucks really believe Trump when he says the word he meant to say was "wouldn't"? That's what I'm talking about. If you people want to say that Obama was lacking in integrity along with Trump, I'm okay with that.

chuck, I am not convinced you are this stupid but you make it hard for me.

The DNC hack was NOT by the Russians for all we know. There was zero evidence and the DNC refused to allow the FBI, even their wholly owned FBI, to examine the server that was "hacked."

The DNC called in one of their "contractors" the ones who read NSA intercepts on political enemies, to "examine" the server and pronounce who dunnit.

The Russians bought some facebook ads. Many of those were to stir up Black Lives Matter and other leftist agitators.

The "Russia interfered in the election" theme is created out of thin air by the Hillary campaign to explain how she lost her fixed election.

Come on, chuck. Try harder.

rcocean said...

The Democrats have only one principle: Gain Power and hate America 1.O.

rcocean said...

When is someone going to investigate Comrade Brennan?

Like Comey, he's revealed himself to be partisan clown, up to his neck in nefarious anti-Trump pre-election activities.

He's the one that told Comey to tell Trump about the Dirty Dishonest Dossier.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Do those nighttime protestors at the White House really want a President who doesn't get any sleep?

wildswan said...

"What she did in front of kids with that pony at the carnival was un forgivable . I don't care who you are."

I helped smuggle Allegra out of NYC to freedom in Ohio with Old John Galt and contrary to everything anyone says on either side, she did not. She also told me that "pliant" was in use in Westchester County in the Fifties to Seventies to mean "hot." Whereas "flexible" was in use among liberals from the Seventies through 2016 to mean "kindhearted intelligent concern" i.e., "sell-out" But now people just take words from the thesaurus without regard for current usage. She said she warned Maggie that Twitter was not her friend, that that old man river just keeps rolling along. And a lot of other flexible stuff, hot from NYC that I'm going to pass off as my ideas to this pliant commentariat.

Michael K said...

Of course, most of them have been bought by Rich Donors, who require them to squawk about Putin at every opportunity.

I think this is also true of NR and chuck's favorite pundit, Goldberg. They know who is funding their paychecks now that most of us subscribers have left.

Yancey Ward said...

Haberman wants to take her ball and go home, but unfortunately that mean ole Trump stole her ball.

Yancey Ward said...

I used one of my clicks to read that essay. I don't think Haberman has a fucking clue just how transparent she is. That last part about the reporters not wanting to be part of the story is just a flat out lie.

How long, do you think, it will be before Haberman can't stop herself and make a tweet along the lines of, "I am not coming back to Twitter full time, but I couldn't let {insert excuse story here} go unanswered, so I am making this one time exception to my sabbatical....."?

I figure about less than a month. Since I don't follow Twitter at all, could someone, keep track of little Maggie's twittering and let us know when it happens?

Francisco D said...

I see that Mr. Integrity (aka LLR Chuck) is bending over for his daily ass whipping.

Chuckles seems to have a need to be denigrated that he fulfills on this site. I see no other reason for his posts.

Inga just likes to throw poop at non-Leftists. It's her primary duty now that she has retired from the bedpan patrol.

To each his own.

Howard said...

What I like about Twitter is I don't have to use it, but people who comb over it send me links to interesting Tweets. Freeridering is the solution to most situations.

Two-eyed Jack said...

I think that a blog like Althouse is a karass and twitter is a bunch of granfalloons.

Roughcoat said...

My God, it's filled with words.

Jim at said...

People who announce they're leaving Twitter or Facebook aren't doing it for any reason other than to look for validation to stay.

I have friends who pull the same crap. It's pretentious and tedious.

hstad said...

If Twitter has bothered Haberman so much why did she tweet? No, I believe, Haberman is beginning to see the end of the "Russian Collusion" issue and is trying to prevent her reputation from tanking. I noticed this announcement recently that - Gallup did a poll of what Americans say is the most important problem facing the country. One finding: the percentage of Americans saying “Situation with Russia” is the most important problem is literally too small to represent with a number. The old phrase comes to mind....."like rats abandoning a sinking ship...."

Jim at said...

Are you really that stupid to not understand that "flexibility" was referring to the hot microphone that picked up Obama telling Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that he would have more flexibility to negotiate on issues like missile defense after the 2012 election?

No. He knows it. That's why he said it.
He's simply throwing a hissy fit because he was accurately called on it.

Rabel said...

If you open up the tweet in which Haberman announced her withdrawal from Twitter you'll see that she is under a vicious, unrelenting attack from the left, particularly Hillary supporters. This is why she pulled out. Not primarily Trump or Trump supporters, but the unhinged harpies in the pussy hats.

I quit, for now.

mezzrow said...

Pizza Junction has gone straight to hell since Allegra Budenmeyer took charge. My last double Pepperonasaurus was a greasy mess and showed up twenty minutes late, if truth be told. I understand human compassion, but there are limits. She ruined everything she touched.

Should have been gone months ago.

Rabel said...

If Althouse had 100 Inga's in her comments section, how long would comments last.

Well, Haberman has 1000 Inga's in her Twitter feed. So she's on the run.

rightguy said...

Twitter is an inadequate format and platform for meaningful debate. All you can fit into those few characters is bit of attitude.

Dueling bumper-stickers.

Darkisland said...

In fairness to Allegra, it was late, she had just taken some Chantix and thought she and the pony were alone.

She doe not deserve what is happening.

#whospeaksforallegra

John Henry

Darkisland said...

No, Rabel,

There are millions of I.N.G.A.s

But our dear Inga is unique, bless her heart

John Henry

Howard said...

Twitter is so inadequate it's market cap is a mere $32 Billion.

Howard said...

When you pull Inga's hair, it's because you secretly want to kiss her.

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Anonymous said...

Iowahawk declared and started a Twitter stampede to crucify an imaginary person the other day. It worked. The mob did not even notice that "Allegra Budenmayer" did not exist.

Anonymous said...

I now see that Allegra exists on Althouse still.

Darrell said...

Allegra was her name.
A not so very ordinary girl or name.
But who's to blame?

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

Aww, khesanh,

Why'd you have to blow the gaff?

John Henry

Ralph L said...

I hope Iowahawk doesn't have trademark trouble with the people who make Allegra.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The media are so biased in favor of democrats, socialists, democrat socialists, leftists, Hillary and her corruption, they cannot offer objective journalism. They know they are hacks, and they either do not care and carry on, or they burn out with exhaustion. It is after all, a grand charade. D-party media.

Michael K said...

Blogger Howard said...
Twitter is so inadequate it's market cap is a mere $32 Billion


Howard, have you ever heard of Ponzi ?

Market caps, like that of Theranos, which are built on ephemera, have this tendency to suddenly disappear.

A lot of the US economy is built on financial mischief that will go away as fast as Lehman Brothers did.

That's why I want us to start making things again. Tariffs, plus higher salaries are a wash except that we have an economy built on making real things.

FullMoon said...

Iowahawk declared and started a Twitter stampede to crucify an imaginary person the other day. It worked. The mob did not even notice that "Allegra Budenmayer" did not exist.

Allegra a pseudonym for you know who. Stop trying to protect her, it won't work this time.

FullMoon said...

I hope Iowahawk doesn't have trademark trouble with the people who make Allegra.

Hope they don't have trouble with Iowahawk...he doesn't lose.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

wish Trump would hire Iowahawk for public relations and twitter point-man.

Rusty said...

" If you people want to say that Obama was lacking in integrity along with Trump,"
Give us n example of Trumps a lack of integrity since he's been in office.I'd like to know.

Birkel said...

Rusty,
Trump once got blackmailed by a Playboy bunny *and* also by a porn star.
If that's not a stain on his reputation, what could be?

/sarc

stlcdr said...

“It was distorting discourse”

Welcome to what most people already know.

The trouble is that the thoughts you have about a given subject, topic, or whatever, are distilled down to a handful of words. It almost always comes out wrong. Comebacks are almost always short and sweet (sic). There are few people who understand how Twitter works, and work it to their benefit (particularly the fact that twitter doesn’t exist in isolation).

Comedians and the Kardashians are probably the only people that should be on Twitter.

Sarah Rolph said...

I took a look at her feed to try to get a better understanding of her op-ed. Looks like she uses it as a personal account. Most of her recent tweets are straight-up anti-Trump. She also follows about 3500 people, which is absurd; nobody can keep up with that much tweeting. If she liked twitter, she could tailor her experience pretty easily. That's one of the things I like about twitter, you can instantly unfollow anyone who gets boring, abusive, etc. And if strangers are hooting at you, you can block or mute them. She apparently doesn't want to do this work to clean up the mess of a twitter feed she created. I thought it was a very boring op-ed, but lots of people liked it, so I guess it's a common problem for people to become so addicted to twitter that they can't manage their emotions or their feeds. Personally I would be embarrassed to admit that if I were a reporter.

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tim in vermont said...

Iowahawk began as a commenter on Lucianne.com. He was funny there, I remember. I used to comment there at the same time, when it was less of an echo chamber aimed at a very specific brand of conservatives.

tim in vermont said...

Why wasn't Obama brought up for investigation? That single comment was far more evidence of “Russian collusion" than anything that was ever brought up

What came out of Obama’s mouth is “You Russians don’t give me any trouble during the election, that is to say ‘help me get elected’ and there will be something in it for you after the rubes have voted.”

There is no other way to read it, but to Chuck, that is ‘integrity.'

tim in vermont said...

Having a column for the New York Times is like drone warfare, Twitter is more hand to hand combat.

Owen said...

Tim in Vermont @ 6:07 and 6:18: thanks, very valuable points on the return on intellectual investment from one's posts. I can't claim to put in the kind of effort you describe, but I think each of us is looking for some kind of feedback --either a "awesome insight there, dude" from the heavyweight contributors (you know who you are) or tearful surrender from the usual idiots. On social media, feedback is the currency. And why not? Nobody wants to shout into the void. We all want to keep the conversation going.

Tom Grey said...

Yes, very much on Trump - it's now energizing because so many NeverTrumpers plus those not-so-hot on Trump criticize him for Twitter.

It's a pretty clear standard -- if you want to criticize an author, for what he writes, you need to read his stuff.

Most of those who criticize Trump probably don't read all his dozens of weekly tweets -- but even those who do, seldom find anything worth criticizing.

How many full Trump tweets (240 char?) have been reproduced by Trump critics this past week? Maybe not any? Please try to watch for when a Trump critic doesn't merely repeat what the (Dem) media say that Trump meant, but his actual tweeted words.

His sense of humor is pretty good too -- I hear covfefe.

gerry said...

So she is protesting too much.

Since this line created by Shakespeare for Hamlet was an indictment of Hamlet's mother's adultery and complicity in regicide, it is an especially delicious usage when commenting upon contemporary journalists who choose to ply their trade as whores rather than as ethical tradesmen. Bravo!

Kahne said...

Oh poor Maggie. What is being discovered by the media is that Long Format Dialogue and Conversation between more than one group is winning over opinion nagging in short form, miniscule sound bites. Dave Rubin, CRTV, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Owen Benjamin, and all the other Hollywood MSM rejects are succeeding in getting thoughtful news, dialogue, ideas, and information out to the masses in long format pod casts, video blogs, and web sites. Maggie is in a dying medium. She is the dinosaur. I think she realizes that. Twitter and FB will not last forever because they censor people and sell their private information to the highest bidder. The internet of things is killing old form news agencies.......

docweasel said...

I'll always remember Haberman for this ever-green panel discussion she did Election Night 2016 talking about how the GOP would regroup following PDT's devastating loss to hillary. Warning, the smug is strong with these people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1i_BJ8poLU

Christopher Chantrill said...

Maggie Haberman prefers the Good Old Days of "never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel."

'Cos with Twitter, everyone gets to buy ink by the barrel.

Democracy!

Toto said...

I see ugly stuff on Twitter and Facebook all the time. I read opinions I vehemently disagree with on both platforms, sometimes from people I hold in high esteem.

So what?

I haven't been attacked on Twitter, and that must be a special kind of ugly. Still, once you accept that ALL voices can be heard on these platforms the stuff you dislike should just fade from your thoughts. Why give it more power?

Forbes said...

The smug arrogance on display by Haberman is quite telling. She doesn't like being called out, criticized, nor the partisanship--but it's exactly the game she plays. She wants her say with no push back. And then she expresses it all in a navel-gazing exercise of naivety. Someone get her a safe space and a blanket...