"The new embassy was dedicated on Monday in a ceremony attended by Israeli leaders and senior White House advisers. Tens of thousands of Palestinians are protesting the move, and dozens of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli armed forces, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.... For many years the U.S. — like the rest of the world's countries — have declined to put the embassy in Jerusalem, saying that the status of the city needs to be decided in peace talks with the Palestinians. President Trump made a campaign promise to relocate the embassy. He was not the first president to make such a promise, but he is the first to actually make the move.
NPR reports.
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213 comments:
1 – 200 of 213 Newer› Newest»He was not the first president to make such a promise, but he is the first to actually make the move.
And he's the liar, right?
A move from the ...or-I'll-give-you-something-to-cry-about school of diplomacy.
Hasn't every President since at least Reagan promised to make the move?
Finally. Finally.
It reminds me of Pres. Reagan's "Tear down this wall!" In both cases, the State Department was strongly, solidly, frantically against. Small people. And finally a president who stood up for reality.
NPR conveniently ignores the 1995 U.S. law that required the move unless the President invokes a waiver on national security grounds. What a surprise.
John Kerry can’t stop crying. He can go advise Abbas on what to do. He’s doing a great job fucking yo other countries foreign policies now. It’s great he keeps meeting with the Iranians. Shows the rest of us how fucking desperate and stupid they are.
The Palestinians can move their capital to London, Paris, or Berlin. Countries committing national suicide love suicide bombers.
Of course opening the embassy should be the headline, but I woke up to news alerts that Palestinian protestors had been killed. Which is sad, of course, but with the news headlines regarding Israel these days I never get to know what they were protesting or how they were protesting or if they were planting a bomb somewhere.
Practice Tip: The struggle has always been about Jewish control over Jerusalem for the last 50 years. So Trump just made Jewish control over Jerusalem no longer an unsettled issue. Now the Arabs and Jews can settle the rest.
Pastor Jeffries spoke the best Southern Baptist views on the subject since the Truman years.
John Hagee is giving the benediction but he is being censored by every Network broadcast that shows his face but not his words. Figures they would fear Hagee. He is a southern Baptist that became a disciple of Derek Prince on all matters concerning Israel.
Eternal rage-Haters, terrorists, radical Islamist Supremacists and Jew haters are oozing out like sewage.
What was being accomplished by not moving it?
Now lets see which other countries move their embassies. There will be some, a slow trickle, but movement.
In order to work at the embassy, you have to ride in an bullet-proof Cadillac Escalade. Which is a comedy, considering the narrow roads and tight turns of the city.
The Democrats are right, we need to get rid of citizenship. It's a pull on the economy. Passports and nationalism are negative aspects in the New World Order™.
Embassies are like gas chambers.
Palestinian protestors had been killed. Which is sad, of course
When the sad-trick stops working, the Palestinian leaders will stop doing it. Until then, it's a plus for Palestinians.
"Tens of thousands of Palestinians are protesting the move, and dozens of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli armed forces, according to the Gaza Health Ministry"
Hey Palestinians! Don't start nothin won't be nothin'.
The best president since Coolidge.
Some country having a legation serving the Palestinian Authority should now move its primary address to East Jerusalem.
Goose/gander.
Palestinian protestors had been killed. Which is sad, of course.
Had it simply been a peaceful protest on their side of the border, all would be alive today.
So it's less sad than planned for effect.
MayBee said...
What was being accomplished by not moving it?
Some idiots think negotiating from weakness is a good idea.
Now lets see which other countries move their embassies.
Apparently Hungary, Romania, and the Czech Republic are considering it. They already blocked an EU statement that would have opposed the US move. There are also some Latin American countries planning to move their embassies.
I believe U.S. law has mandated the move for some time...earlier presidents found reasons not to enforce it.
Our President from the Recerand Wright Church hated Jews and did everything he could get away with to poke them in the eye.
Trump grew up around Jews, as did I. The difference in how the two presidents treated them is telling, and not to the good for the anti-Semite filled Left
How DOES Schumer meet with Kamala Harris? They must be pretty uncomfortable meetings
Had it simply been a peaceful protest on their side of the border, all would be alive today.
So it's less sad than planned for effect.
True. But the headlines don't mention that it wasn't a peaceful protest. The headlines didn't even mention they were protesting the opening of the embassy- mostly, I suspect, because they don't want the opening of the embassy to be a story or the story.
"Palestinian protestors had been killed. Which is sad, of course." Of course the news reports say that they had explosives and some threw fire-bombs. Sad!
A lot of this is Israel's fault; they mishandled the Palestinian situation badly, partly because of pressure from well-meaning fools the world over. When they conquered the Green Zone in 1967, they should have immediately annexed the part they felt they needed for security, or even wanted. They should have offered full Israeli citizenship to any Palestinian who wanted to stay within those regions - on condition that they immediately become and behave as loyal citizens of their new country. Failing that condition, they would have to leave, pushed across the new border: a country doesn't need to tolerate enemies within its borders, regardless of their origin.
Instead, Israel decided to "play nice", and has paid a terrible price ever since.
Ralph L said...
MayBee said...
What was being accomplished by not moving it?
Some idiots think negotiating from weakness is a good idea
Truth. And of course when things don't work, the solution is to just be a little weaker.
"Al-Qaeda leader calls for jihad..." Didn't see that one coming.
Embassy hasn't really been moved. More like an existing building upgraded in name as an annex to the Embassy in Tel Aviv.
"Of course opening the embassy should be the headline, but I woke up to news alerts that Palestinian protestors had been killed. Which is sad, of course, but with the news headlines regarding Israel these days I never get to know what they were protesting or how they were protesting or if they were planting a bomb somewhere."
If you're interested to know what they're protesting or whether they were planting a bomb somewhere or not, why don't you read further than the headlines?
Embassy hasn't really been moved. More like an existing building upgraded in name as an annex to the Embassy in Tel Aviv.
If that's all it is, then why is everybody so upset ?
Today it is particularly worthwhile to note, that whether you voted for Trump or not (I didn't happen to though I'm not a NeverTrumper), we can all unite on one thing, he is literally Hitler.
Robert Cook said...
"If you're interested to know what they're protesting or whether they were planting a bomb somewhere or not, why don't you read further than the headlines?"
'Cause I know what they're protesting, and I know they were planting a bomb, and I know they will keep right on doing it as long as the UN keeps paying them good American dollars to do it. Ok? Just like they'll keep staging Cats as long as people keep buying tickets. Fuck a bunch of "Palestinians".
Was listening to a little of Steve Inskeep interview only people he already agreed with on Morning Edition.
Kind of wish he'd managed to wangle an interview with Caroline Glick. That would blown some minds in good way ...
The Palestinians are the only refugee group that continues to live in squalid camps. A million Jew were forced out of Arab countries after 1948. The Sudeten Germans and East Prussians were forced to move at the end of WWII. All got on with their lives.
Except the Palestinians. Nobody wants them. They had the chance for peace in 2000 but Arafat walked away.
Why not as he is an Egyptian ?
If you're interested to know what they're protesting or whether they were planting a bomb somewhere or not, why don't you read further than the headlines?
I did. As usual, there were enough violent protestors, including - but not limited to - bomb planters to warrant a defensive response.
Palestinians would have good lives, and almost certainly a state, if they spent some time trying to make their lives better rather than making Israeli lives worse.
"I think that this situation absolutely requires a stupid and futile gesture be done on someone's part! And we're just the guys to do it."
-- The Palestinians
"Palestinian protestors had been killed. Which is sad, of course."
Really, is it sad? Would you like to rethink that one?
Blogger readering said...”Embassy hasn't really been moved. More like an existing building upgraded in name as an annex to the Embassy in Tel Aviv.”
I heard it reported this morning that the consulate in Jerusalem (which is now the embassy) is larger that the ex-embassy in Tel Aviv. Don’t know if it’s true, but it makes sense.
Paul Mac sarcs: we can all unite on one thing, he is literally Hitler.
Clearly. No President in my lifetime has treated Israel and the Jews as badly as has Trump. He actually swore into office on a copy of Mein Kampf disguised as a Bible./s
Just like they'll keep staging Cats as long as people keep buying tickets.
I thought I was the only one!! I wonder if Trump can do something about this as well??
You call it Jerusalem, I’m calling It The City of David.
Got to love the left: "Republicans are anti-semitic! KKK! Nazis! Why don't they support the Palestinians in their quest to kill Jews like we, the enlightened Jew loving left, do? Why is Republican Trump harassing Iran who chants Death to Israel and Death to America? Don't those Nazi Republicans know that they are supposed to hate the Jews and not protect them? Oh, that's right--Evil Zionist Christians! They clearly hate the Jews!"
The standard Leftist junk is really rather incoherent isn't it?
readering the helpless: "Embassy hasn't really been moved. More like an existing building upgraded in name as an annex to the Embassy in Tel Aviv."
LOL
Democrats and European weenies oppose the moving of the American Embassy that readering claims didn't even happen.
That is one awesome hot take there readering. Perhaps you should inform all of the Europeans that this thing which they vehemently oppose never happened and we could all go back to sleep.
Palestinians would have good lives, and almost certainly a state, if they spent some time trying to make their lives better rather than making Israeli lives worse.
They will never be as close as they were in 2000. Read Dennis Ross's articles about that agreement that Arafat refused to sign. There were western investors ready to put money into hotels and tourist attractions.
In my view, there are only three logical explanations as to why the Palestinians rejected the Clinton Parameters in 2000. First, maybe the deal met the needs of the Palestinian people, but the leadership was short-sighted or mistaken and turned it down anyway. Second, the deal may have been flat-out unfair or inadequate, making the Palestinians right to reject it. Or third, perhaps the Palestinians had not yet come to terms with Israel’s permanence, and therefore they believed that they could simply outlast Israel and get all the land.
Ross emphatically refuted the second option, explaining that Israel made wide-ranging concessions on a number of critical issues. Seeing as he was there in 2000, I’m inclined to defer to his assessment. Ross also dismissed the third option, citing polls that show popular support on both sides for the two-state solution. Indeed, he believes that both Israelis and Palestinians truly desire a two-state solution, but are skeptical that it can actually happen, decreasing the likelihood that politicians make risky compromises.
When Arafat was first brought back from Tunisia to head the PLO, the Palestinians called him "The Tunisian."
That was a huge mistake.
In response to the following news:
Israel responded with rifle fire to a mass attempt by Palestinians to cross a border fence, killing at least 28
Ann Coulter asked:
Can we do that?
The answer to that question tells you most of what you need to know about this issue.
"know what they're protesting"
I do: Israel's existence.
The embassy is a sideshow. Good for Trump to make the Palis face reality.
Bethlehem is the City of David. In Jerusalem, the "City of David" is the name of an archaeological site.
And we see that ARM comes out for the Palestinians.
Apply some thought here, shall we? The Palestinian attempt to cross the border was an explicit attempt to send massive amounts of terrorists into Israel, to maim, murder and destroy. The Israeli border guard treated it as an invasion, and defended their borders.
ARM disapproves. He wants to let hordes of terrorists cross unimpeded into both Israel and America.
These people were throwing bombs, waving guns... and ARM says it is wrong to shoot them down.
Here in America, we don't have many Palestinian mobs. But we have MS-13 and in fact a great deal of Islamic terrorists being smuggled. ARM says it is bad to defend them, and we should let them in.
You leftists loudly proclaim how much you welcome MS-13 to rape and mutilate. I am glad you support them, ARM. Be proud! You hate America so much you want to import invaders. I suppose you wanted to invite in various divisions of Japanese troops during WWII. Heck, they wouldn't have treated us any worse than the people you want here in mass.
"Palestinians would have good lives, and almost certainly a state, if they spent some time trying to make their lives better rather than making Israeli lives worse."
That's not how Islam works.
"First, maybe the deal met the needs of the Palestinian people, but the leadership was short-sighted or mistaken and turned it down anyway . . . Or third, perhaps the Palestinians had not yet come to terms with Israel’s permanence, and therefore they believed that they could simply outlast Israel and get all the land."
Ross may dismiss #3, but it remains relevant. #1 is misstated: the leadership was not "mistaken" but calculated carefully that they would benefit from avoiding a deal, by continuing the sob story that induced foreigners to give them $$, and would also protect them against being killed, since the maximum allowable concessions are those not vetoed by the most radical killers. Since the Palestinians still have plenty of the latter, the leadership calculated rationally.
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
"Israel responded with rifle fire to a mass attempt by Palestinians to cross a border fence, killing at least 28"
ARM, when your neighbor attempts to break into your house, how do you respond?
"maybe the deal met the needs of the Palestinian people"
No, actually the "Palestinian people" meet the needs of the UNRWA. The need for an excuse to make war on Israel with US dollars.
Blogger MayBee said...”What was being accomplished by not moving it?”
This is the right question to ask.
The protests aren’t even primarily about the embassy move. Tomorrow is their annual “Nakba” (catastrophe) commemoration where they protest the existence of Israel. Not anything Israel has done since 1948, but the fact that it exists.
John Kerry can’t stop crying
Send in James Taylor. You've got a friend, John Kerry.
Jupiter, ARM would offer up his wife and daughter for the amusement of the invaders. The Dukakis move, the professionals call it.
Unless said invaders were Christians, of course... (nominally Christians, kind of like Nancy Pelosi. True Christians don't break and enter). If they were Christians, ARM would fight. Muslims? Please. He'd cower like every other leftist.
Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales announced at the AIPAC meeting that he would move his country’s embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem right after the US did it.
Promise made.
Promise kept.
ARM wont be happy until every Jewish man, woman and child is driven into the sea.
The Israeli's, oddly enough, oppose that.
Trump just tweeted the entire ceremony.It includes the five minute benediction by Hagee, (starting at 70 min.) that was carefully silenced by all American TV broadcasts. Powerful words.
Incentives matter. Show the people whose entire policy is "Kill the Jews" that they not only get nothing for their genocidal hatred, but that they lose something every time they profess such vile hatred.
Maybe ARM can get LLR Chuck's racist "Dept Of Black People" to come out against the embassy move...assuming we can figure out to whom precisely our Noted Racist Commenter was referring.
Palestinian what?
There ain't no Palestinians. They were Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqs, Iranians, etc.. that were there when the Arab countries attacked Israel. Israel captured the land and those countries REFUSED TO TAKE THEIR PEOPLE BACK from the land. Yes they abandoned them just so they could foment terror.
And now the Arab counties have basically made peace with Israel and walked off.
Tough nuts.
they were Bedouin tribes, which came from all over, we know Arafat was of circassian background, born in cairo, as was Edward said, its flexible because even the Saudis are not all ethnically of the kingdom, some of the clans like the thunayans are turks
ARM is our own local leftist commenter so we can see the positions of the left more clearly.
Hamas organizes an invasion.
ARM supports it and echoes the Guardian.
Israeli forces have killed 41 Palestinians and wounded at least 900 in Gaza, health officials said, as troops fired bullets at residents protesting against the Monday opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem.
Tens of thousands turned out across the coastal enclave in what soon became the bloodiest day in Gaza since the 2014 war. Close to 40 of the casualties were critically injured and the dead included a 14-year-old boy, medics said.
The sky along the frontier was blackened with thick smoke as protesters lit tyres. Intermittent sniper fire was heard and crowds of protesters were seen rushing towards the fence.
Who does the Guardian and ARM get their news from ?
Palestinians carry a demonstrator injured during the clashes. Photograph: Mahmud Hams/AFP/Getty Images
That did not include the video of the wounded Palestinian jumping off the stretcher and running along.
Send in James Taylor. You've got a friend, John Kerry.
It can't happen. Only Barack (pbuh) could deploy geriatric folk singers in a show of contrition.
"The former administration's policies "empowered Russia and Iran, produced ISIS, strengthened al-Qaeda and created the refugee crisis which became a strategic threat to Europe," according to one analyst from the BBC."
You would think that John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, and their boss, Barack Obama would be hiding in shame today.
BTW, thanks BBC, if you had been reading my comments here, you could have seen that point made multiple times, months before the last election.
We should raise the age for the presidency. It wouldn't guarantee maturity, but Obama was a clueless child led around by the nose when he wasn't running off on his own ahistorical agenda.
What I miss most about LLR Chuck's "magnificent" obama's presidency were the delightful March Madness selections.
Priorities people.
Priorities.
If there are any sensible Palestinians left they need to realize that Trump is someone that they can do business with. There are no others who would be willing to finalize a truce between them and the Israelis. They last thing that the Palestinians need are people like Kerry and other bitter, hateful leftists from this country and Europe.
Cookie and ARM are trying to camouflage their Jew hate. I'll count that as Lagniappe!
Being a bit cynical, I am going to wait and see about the fatalities. Maybe a month or so ago, when they were rushing the border, and a dozen or so Palestinians died, turned out that they were almost all military trained terrorists. The mass protests were just cover for their attempt to cross the border. Expect that at least some of the protesters here who were killed turn out to be known terrorists. Maybe most.
The Palies never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Trump has a peace proposal ready to go in about a month or two. Watch what really happens. Plus, of course, the Norks have all left Iran.
But Brennan is sure the Iraninans have "duped" Trump.
I think it will turn out that most of those killed were very young people who believed that the Israelis would not shoot if Palestinians attempted to rush the fence and break through with the intention of killing Jews. Maybe some were digital generationals who thought that if they were on television they wouldn't be shot with real bullets. "Professional terrorists", I feel sure, knew the Israelis would shoot and their bullets would kill and the professionals arranged to be elsewhere. This is how young Palestinians are treated by their own.
When it's all over let's see if as many Palestinians have died as have died in Chicago over the same period. At present the death toll in Chicago annually is about the same as the worst years of the war in Iraq. But the casualties in Iraq mattered to people. And casualties on the Israeli border matter. In Chicago? Black Lives Matter? They should. They really should.
Fabi: "Cookie and ARM are trying to camouflage their Jew hate. I'll count that as Lagniappe!"
Of course, ARM and Cookie would naturally show appropriate "regret" that such an unfortunate circumstance as the jews being wiped out occurred but golly and gee whiz we really shouldn't let one bad deed lead to another by strenuously opposing those who would destroy us as well.
It's good thing we'll never have to witness that since the days of the Israelis listening to those like ARM and Cookie who would get them all killed are over. O-ver.
In the same way that no one listens to the insane left here any longer as they attempt to speak as if they have any moral authority to lecture others about what can and cannot be said, done or thought.
Those days too are now o-ver.
The people running “Palestine” are animals. They purposely get their people killed so leftists can wallow in their blood for political purposes.
The coverage is Just another example of how the democrats media are terrible people.
Every Palestinian the Israeli's kill is one less we have to kill.
The left Jew haters like ARM and Inga must be seething.
Of course they are outraged when a country protects their borders with armed force.
They are just are just as outraged when you defend you home.
Just getting ready...
He was not the first president to make such a promise, but he is the first to actually make the move.
He was not the first president to threaten North Korea, but he is the first to actually end the Korean War.
So Arafat like his haj anon Husseini, the old man in Ignatius agents of influence is circassian
The trouble with the Palestinians is they have piss-poor marketing.
Take their protest with burning tires... It's just another sad commentary on missing an opportunity to grab the west by the balls and make them feel guilty.
If you can't make the west feel guilty, then you are merely masturbating in public.
Thou shalt not masturbate. It's a sin stupid.
Robert Cook wrote: If you're interested to know what they're protesting or whether they were planting a bomb somewhere or not, why don't you read further than the headlines?
Yes, let's. We should start with the The Palestine Nation Charter
The trouble with "Palestine" (a made up name by the Romans just to piss off the jews) is that it's full of "Palestinians".
Unfortunately, we can't "get them out" and no one wants to pop over in a Lord-ly fashion to "breed them out", for obvious reasons.
--with apologies to Edward "Longshanks".
-When Arafat was first brought back from Tunisia to head the PLO, the Palestinians called him "The Tunisian."-
The USSR was the principal behind this. to keep the cold war going by proxy.
this is the equivalent of Kaiser Germany sending Lenin to Russia in early 1900's.
Stating what is probably known by many here: "Palestine" is a cognate of Palestia, which is derived from Philistia, the name of the territories in the Levant conquered and forcibly settled by the Philistines, a branch of the Sea Peoples hosts that brought about the collapse of the Late Bronze Age in the early 12th century B.C. There is a general consensus that the Philistines (and other Sea Peoples, but not all) were Mycenaean Greeks.
Also, in the first half of the twentieth century "Palestinian" was the name given to Jews who had settled or were born in British-mandated Palestine. If, back then, you called someone a "Palestinian", you were referring to a Jew.
1. Never get involved in a land war in Asia
2. Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line
3. Never discuss Israel on the Internet
Read past the headline and suspend disbelief, as if you were consuming any other work of fiction.
Another reason why The smart elite Europeans aren’t happy with US. We took away another proxy hammer to beat US with.
Trump has a peace deal almost ready to go.
A good rule of thumb on complex foreign policy questions:
1. If John Kerry is whining about it, it is good.
2. If John Brennan is whining about it, it is good.
3. If both of these nimrods are whining about it, it is great.
>.But Brennan is sure the Iranians have "duped" Trump.
I think Brennan was talking about the NK's...
and re:duping by NK, see Carter, Jimmy.
If, back then, you called someone a "Palestinian", you were referring to a Jew.
True, my father-in-law was a volunteer with the Israeli Air Force in 1947-48, and we have letters from him. He refers to the Jews as "Palestinians" and to the Arabs as, well, Arabs. I believe the whole Arabs as "Palestinian" myth didn't really get started until the 60s.
@Roughcoat:
Also, in the first half of the twentieth century "Palestinian" was the name given to Jews who had settled or were born in British-mandated Palestine. If, back then, you called someone a "Palestinian", you were referring to a Jew.
Do you have a source for this? It seems doubtful given that the total Jewish population of Palestine was less than 10% at least through the end of the First World War.
Do you have a source for this?
Did you see my post directly above yours? It's a primary source.
After what happened to the Jews in Europe during WWII I feel that the Israelis have every right to defend themselves with as much enthusiasm/aggresiveness as they can muster.
Roughcoat said..."Palestinian" was the name given to Jews
Palestine was a place, it wasn't a people. Goat herders, mostly Bedouin roamed the land, Jews and Arabs lived in the cities.
It was nice place under the Turks, and turned to shit under the Germans and British.
Then the terrorists emigrated from Europe and Africa and conquered it...
...with a flag.
"The cunning use of flags"
National Palestinian Radio
The closing benediction by Baptist pastor Hagee which you will not see on any mainstream media coverage.
After all these years the media is still using the liars of the "Gaza Health Ministry" as their source for all Palestinian propaganda ... the MSM has no interest whatsoever in "reporting" actual events - they've got to spin everything to their narrative.
Yes, always believe the media on this stuff, they are our truth makers and our myth tellers.
However many Palestinian Arabs died, they all died in vain. There’s something very sad about that.
Also, in the first half of the twentieth century "Palestinian" was the name given to Jews who had settled or were born in British-mandated Palestine. If, back then, you called someone a "Palestinian", you were referring to a Jew.
Furthermore, Palestine was the name given to the region of the former Ottoman Empire assigned to British administration in the aftermath of the Great War. Lebanon was the name given to the portion assigned to French occupation. Likewise, Syrian was defined and named by the victorious Allies. Europeans gave names to these place derived from Classical antiquity. What is now Iraq was the Ottoman Eyalet of Baghdad. The British and French sliced that Turkish administrative district out of the Sultan Mehmed VI's empire and renamed it Iraq, a word borrowed from Arabic which originally only roughly corresponded to that geographic area. The Allies drew the maps and assigned the names. Before the end of WWI, no one had heard of a "Palestinian" since the collapse of Roman dominion over the Levant.
filastin is the arabic name for the area.
cognate with "phylisitne"
Ivanka and Jarrod there. Obviously, terrorists would love to blow the joint up. Gotta say it takes guts to be a target.
You know why the Palestinians light tire fires? The thick black toxic smoke gives them a place to hide while they attempt to sneak-in or launch weapons.
The international community gives the Palestinians millions every year. Why don't the Palestinians spend it on economic infrastructure, roads, or schools? Because instead, they spend most of that international aid on weapons and tunnels into Israel.
This is who the left side with.
btw- our main embassy is/was in Tel Aviv. WE already had a small embassy in Jerusalem.
Any excuse to light tire fires, and place children in the line of fire with the never ending rage machine, the eternal victims are gonna do it.
Past American foreign policy incentivized the Palestinians not to make and abide by any deals. Donald Trump has showed them what they have to lose, which is way more than the symbolism of the location of the American embassy building.
It was nice place under the Turks, and turned to shit under the Germans and British.
It? Palestine was an antique name for a subunit of the Roman province of Syria. Outside of the context of Greco-Roman history "Palestine" was a meaningless term until its use was revived by the Allies after WWI. The city and environs of Jerusalem were never independent from the days of the Babylonian conquest in 586 BC until they became part of Israel in 1967. In the meantime, the "Jewish homeland" passed successively under the control of the Persian empire, then the Macedonian (or Alexandrian empire) then the Successor kingdom of the Seleucids, then Ptolemaic Eygpt, then Roman, then Constantinople, then the Caliphate of Baghdad, then the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem (for all intents and purposes an extension of the Norman county of Boulogne), then the functionally independent sultanate of Egypt ruled by the Ayyubid dynasty (though ruling from Cairo the Ayyubids weren't even Arabs, they were Kurdish), then the Ottoman Turks. When the Mamalukes detached Egypt from Ottoman control of the city and environs of
Well, Blogger fucked up and deleted almost my entire capsule history of Eretz Israel. Too bad.
No worries, I know the history of Israel.
J. Farmer @1:57 PM:
Give it a Goog, boy. Use "Jews referred to as palestinians" as your search term. A host of entries. I'm not going to list them. Do your own damn research.
>>The international community gives the Palestinians millions every year. Why don't the Palestinians spend it on economic infrastructure, roads, or schools? Because instead, they spend most of that international aid on weapons and tunnels into Israel.
April, most of that money ends up in one of their "leaders" pockets long before anybody buys weapons, or roads.
Arafat apparently had billions. It's blindingly obvious where it came from.
A few scholars have postulated the theory that Philistia and the Philistines of Biblical notoriety were Achaean Greek Sea Peoples from the Bronze Age city of Pylos. Thus: Pylus = Purosha = Puroshet . . . whence Peleset, who undertook to conquer Egypt in a two pronged invasion, one prong from the sea and one from overland across the Ways of Horus along the Mediterraean Coast of the Sinai. They were repulsed by Pharaoh Ramesses III and his forces and recoiled back into the Levant where they established the so-called Philistine Penatopolis, a confederation of five Philistine cities.
From a monument erected by Ramesses III to commemorate his victory over the Philistines; note his inclusion of Peleset as a component of the enemy invasion force:
'The peoples of the sea . . . made a conspiracy in their islands. All at once the lands were on the move, scattered in war. No country could stand before their arms. Hatti, Kode, Carchemish, Arzawa, and Alashiya. They were cut off. A camp was set up in one place in Amor. They desolated its people and its land was like that which has never come into being. They were advancing on Egypt while the flame was prepared before them. Their league was Peleset, Tjeker, Shekelesh, Denyen, and Weshesh, united lands. They laid their hands upon the lands to the very circuit of the earth, their hearts confident and trusting: “Our plans will succeed.”
Also, David's Lament, 2 Samuel: 19-22 -
The beauty of Israel is slain upon thy high places: how are the mighty fallen! Tell it not in Gath, publish it not in the streets of Askelon; lest the daughters of the Philistines rejoice, lest the daughters of the uncircumcised triumph.
So, the root word for Palestine is very old, going back to the Late Bronze Age, appearing in Egyptian accounts.
Neglecting to acknowledge that this was a propaganda move instigated by Hamas to pollute the news cycle with Palestinian deaths is irresponsible journalism.
Why did the MSM censor rev Hagee?
I normally would not care enough to go listen to it. Tha msm didn't want me to hear it made me curious.
Nice benediction. Nothing really exceptional except the setting but nicely done.
So why the censorship? What are they afraid of?
John Henry
@Roughcoat:
I suppose my larger question is, so what?
None of the peculiar semantic history of "Palestine" or "Palestinian" does much to address the actual historical reality of the land. Whatever you want to call it, Palestine was not unpopulated during the First Aliyah of the late 19th century. Do you doubt that the Jews who emigrated to Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th century were large European Jews who had little to no direct familial connection to the land?
My larger point being that you don't have to be on any particular side (Jewish or Arab) to recognize that the events leading up to the creation of the modern State of Israel are morally ambiguous at best. Also, the moral nature of the judgment does not necessarily affect the operative. So, for example, you can easily concede that the Mexican-American War was unjust while simultaneously being unwilling to believe that the Southwest United States should be given back to Mexico.
But of course, recognizing complexity is difficult, and it's always simpler to name one group The Oppressor and another group The Oppressed. If you're on the left, The Oppressed are Palestinians Arabs (Christian and Muslim). If you're on the right, The Oppressed are Israeli Jews forced to live under attack from their neighbors.
It has always been my position that you do not need to have partisan interests in the conflict to recognize its moral and historical complexity.
Pallywood.
I think the Israelis actually used to call "Palestinians" 'pelishtim,' or Phillistines.
It is where the word comes from, after all.
Kind souls that they are, they let the term fall into disfavor on account of it being "racist."
Quaestor said...It? Palestine was an antique name...
No need to go back any further than the beginning of the 20th century. Post Great War is about as far as you need to go to understand modern middle-east history.
After the French and British sent their surveyors, the place was toast.
@President Pee-Pee Tape:
Neglecting to acknowledge that this was a propaganda move instigated by Hamas to pollute the news cycle with Palestinian deaths is irresponsible journalism.
And you know this how?
You really cannot ask for a more textbook example of confirmation bias than this thread. If you are pro-Israel, then anything that depicts the Israelis negatively is to be interpreted as lies, propaganda, falsifications, unreliable reports, etc. Meanwhile, anything that paints the Palestinians negatively is to be uncritically accepted as the gospel truth and not question. If you are anti-Israel, then the dynamics run in the opposite directions (i.e. negative reports of Palestinians are apologized for, and positive reports of Israelis are denied).Of course, these judgments are made solely based on the groups they attack or vindicate. The actual empirical truths of the claims are of zero consequence, most of the time.
@Etienne:
No need to go back any further than the beginning of the 20th century. Post Great War is about as far as you need to go to understand modern middle-east history.
Agreed. See Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace
>>Neglecting to acknowledge that this was a propaganda move instigated by Hamas to pollute the news cycle with Palestinian deaths is irresponsible journalism.
>>And you know this how?
Right. It's just one hell of a coincidence.
None of the peculiar semantic history of "Palestine" or "Palestinian" does much to address the actual historical reality of the land. Whatever you want to call it, Palestine was not unpopulated during the First Aliyah of the late 19th century.
The land is the land. The history is one of who ruled it in one era as opposed to another.
19th c. "populated" Palestine was a sparsely populated backwater because the Ottomons were in decline and, lo and behold, no nation with as much self-interest in that area was around to tend to it until the Jews returned.
Kind, Christian souls that they were, the British found 130 remaining Samaritans among the population and started a process of protecting their community that continued under Israel to a point of quintupling their dilapidated and sickly rump of a community.
The best evidence points to these "Palestinians" being Arabs who found a home amongst the many deracinated Samritans and remaining Jews - forced as they were to convert from among those religions (or Byzantine Christianity) to Islam under penalty of death following the tyrannical rule of boy-Caliph al Hakim.
An Israeli computer entrepreneur, Tzvi Misinai, postulates that this is the origin of most of the Palestinians, with the Jewish portion being those rural bumpkins who stayed behind following Rome's expulsion - being crucial as they were to maintaining the grain supply and less boisterous and threatening to Rome's rule than the more urbanized Judeans.
Misinai postulates that the many social pathologies of the Palestinians originate in a millennium of having to subsume any natural identity and straightforward feeling in an entire empire's worth of oppressive Arabist Islamic supremacism. They loved the land so much that they were willing to lose any sense of identity to the caliphate's borg.
Until the people who lost the land but retained their identity returned in greater numbers than before.
The solution is to minimize any autonomous lands of theirs in the West Bank as much as possible (while letting them keep Gaza), and assimilate the rest.
This will take a long time and continued states of semi-occupation in most of the area. But it's better than the alternative: a resurgent, never-ending Arabist/Islamist pseudo-nationalism grounded in nothing of actual historical memory and simply to serve the dreams of the pan-Arabists and caliphate revivalists.
It's no agenda that any American (or Western, if it had the clout) power needs to sign on to.
The capital city of a nation requires control over the land where its people reside. Palestinians, are organized as the Palestinian Authority (not a national designation), came mostly as migrants forced to flee Arab-controlled nations. These migrants, run by gangs of terrorists (Hamas and earlier, Hezbollah), cannot provide basic services to the residents of the Gaza Strip. Gaza residents fully depend upon the generosity of Israeli Jews for utilities, healthcare, and especially jobs. And foreign aid in total exceeds the inflated Marshall Plan dollars after more than 60 years.
Beggars can never be choosers. But they can give thanks by freely killing those providing assistance.
@DanTheMan:
Neglecting to acknowledge that this was a propaganda move instigated by Hamas to pollute the news cycle with Palestinian deaths is irresponsible journalism.
Right. It's just one hell of a coincidence.
No, no. That was not the claim. The claim was that Palestinians in Gaza protested expecting to be killed and that they were okay with this death because of a "propaganda move."
That is a very extraordinary claim and requires evidence to back up. So, for example, can you name a single Palestinian who was dead? I doubt it. But you do claim to know the content of their minds leading up to their deaths. That's an amazing trick. Perhaps you can explain how you accomplished it?
And you know this how?
Because I read Hamas' statements and understand their agenda and don't project neat little Westernized fantasies onto their goals.
You know, in the West it used to be completely natural to pine for religious martyrdom in the pursuit of questionable, nationalist goals as well. Just not any more. Why do so many Westerners such as yourself project onto other cultures and peoples values that took a while to develop even in the West, assuming they've even reached the state of moral completion that you presume makes them so universal?
@gadfly:
The West Bank, which contains nearly 2/3 of the Palestinian population, is conspiculously missing from your statement. Care to elaborate?
The claim was that Palestinians in Gaza protested expecting to be killed and that they were okay with this death because of a "propaganda move."
That is a very extraordinary claim and requires evidence to back up.
Their leaders did. They do it all the time. Why do you reject the value of propaganda to them?
Even in the West we're not above (if we're intelligent enough) understanding the propaganda value of a false flag operation.
There are streets named after these kids. Their parents encourage it. They would be offered (beforehand) nice payments by anyone who would offer ahead of time - Saddam Hussein was one such benefactor.
Have you ever watched Palestinian media? Again, why do you project Western values onto a culture that is merely motivated by many of the same sorts of religious acts and values pertaining to martyrdom that we too used to be motivated by just a few short centuries ago?
Your white man's burden is not very heavy because you ignore who's water it is you're carrying.
@President Pee-Pee Tape:
Why do so many Westerners such as yourself project onto other cultures and peoples values that took a while to develop even in the West, assuming they've even reached the state of moral completion that you presume makes them so universal?
Sadly for your position, I have never made such a claim. In fact, my entire worldview is ethno-nationalist, pretty much the opposite of "universal." So, instead of ably dismanting a strawman, you will have to answer my actual question.
And your actual response to my question was a YouTube video from at least 4 years ago of "Hamas leaders." So I will ask, if someone queastions "American leaders," should we assume that they are just parroting what you believe, since, after all, they are "American leaders" and you are "American." So you must have identical ways of thinking and perceiving the word, right?
" But you do claim to know the content of their minds leading up to their deaths."
No, but I know a number that faked their deaths and injuries for TV cameras.
The al-Dura incident is only one example.
Recently, there has been video of Hamas types carrying a stretcher with a "wounded" or dead victim who then jumped off the stretcher and ran alongside.
They build rocket and mortar launching sites under schools and put headquarters bunkers under hospitals.
Why do you do this?
@President Pee-Pee Tape:
Your white man's burden is not very heavy because you ignore who's water it is you're carrying.
Quote a single thing I ever said in support of a "white man's burden" and I'll write a check in your name for $5,000. How about that?
If anything, the "white man's burden" plagues way more of the so called "conservative" commenters here than it ever has me. I think we should get completely out of the Israel-Palestine conflcit and adopt a more realist approach to the situation. As it stands, the American position is hopelessly clouded by naivete and idealism. Normally, I would never attach such adjectives to conservatives, but I am afraid on the international stage they have fully embided the Progressive poison.
Sadly, Ritmo seems determined to defecate on this thread.
Why not go to the porn queen thread where you would be more at home?
POTUS just announced on twitter that the WH is full of traitors and cowards. How did that happen?
@Michael K:
The McMartin preschool hysteria of the 1980s was a compelete sham and miscarriage of justice.
Does acnkowleding that fact require me to disbelieve all claims of sexual abuse?
You're a smart guy; I honestly have no idea why you rely on such blatant logical fallacies to support your political point.
Sadly for your position, I have never made such a claim. In fact, my entire worldview is ethno-nationalist, pretty much the opposite of "universal." So, instead of ably dismanting a strawman, you will have to answer my actual question.
Why should I answer a question posed by a man who makes a straw man of the entire world? You might personally be an "ethno-nationalist," whatever the fuck that means - but the world isn't. In fact, nationalism is a rather new phenomenon on the political scene - originating in the Peace of Westphalia a few centuries ago and not gaining momentum until the revolutions of the 19th century. Before that nationhood and nationalism were pretty obscure things. Most of the world was run by empires, kingdoms and often theocracies where religion mattered more than language. Why are you so ignorant of history?
This is what a caliphate was. There wasn't much need for "nationalism" when for 1400 years a somewhat successful model of conquest depended on de-nationalizing all the semitic peoples of the Middle East and subsuming them under the Arabic tongue - even if the Islamic faith was the engine and reason for doing so. What do you think happened to the Assyrians? The Babylonians? ETc.
And your actual response to my question was a YouTube video from at least 4 years ago of "Hamas leaders." So I will ask, if someone queastions "American leaders," should we assume that they are just parroting what you believe, since, after all, they are "American leaders" and you are "American." So you must have identical ways of thinking and perceiving the word, right?
Lol. Right, he was an outlier. They say it all the time. It's their governing ethos. If you don't believe me, go set foot in that region you've never been in. Watch the media. Read it. Talk with the parents of the kids who are induced to do this and ask them what payments they are regularly offered in exchange. It's not easy to get parents to agree to have one of their large brood carted off for martyrdom. But the payments afterward seem to sweeten the deal, apparently.
You are woefully ignorant of the facts on that ground. Except for one - the most insignificant one. Imaginary ethnographic borders. That's your obsession and it's one shared by many of them over there. But not by those in charge who want to maximize land, minimize neighbors and aren't afraid to live by the tenets of their faith to do so.
But go ahead and keep projecting. It's kind of an insult how much reality you long to reject.
Quote a single thing I ever said in support of a "white man's burden" and I'll write a check in your name for $5,000. How about that?
You promote his values - nationalism ("ethno-nationalism?") being the principle one. Again, how is that supposed to resonate in a land run (relatively successfully, in terms of holding power) by an imperial theocracy for 1,400 years that subsumed all other related nations into its grip? They're all Arabs, ultimately. At least after Caliphate.
such blatant logical fallacies to support your political point.
So, Palestinian lies are "logical fallacies?"
Interesting.
You and Ritmo may deserve each other although that is a serious insult so I said "may."
J. Farmer, re: I suppose my larger question is, so what?
It's interesting, at least to me. That's so what.
You talk like a character in a Paddy Chayefsky play.
Farmer - if you want to deny how easy it is to brainwash people, just check out Michael Special K. If he bothered to read a single thing I said he'd probably agree with it (it hardly reflects any "left-wing" thought and is solidly grounded in factual reality and reason) but his sense of tribal identity demands that he commit jihad against anything I post. He has a practical fatwa out against me, and this despite - as I remind you - that he'd probably find what I'm posting here to be the most practically pro-Israeli/right-wing argument with a solid, historical defense to back it up as anyone can come up with.
Michael's a tribalist. He'd be a jihadist and a would-be martyr in another era, probably just a few hundred years ago. I remember learning of a 19th c. Hungarian surgeon who used to perform operations while wearing a military helmet. Tribalism is such a hard thing to abandon that you can witness Michael Special K. falling prey to it right before your very eyes.
The fact that Hamas so easily exploits this, even if under more religious than nationalist constructs, should be hardly surprising. Again, just look at how easy it is for Michael Special K. to resort to tribalism even when he is so inclined to agree with everything I'm saying here that it's obvious and clear as day.
Michael K,
Do you have such animus for some commenters here that you can’t even recognize that you just might be on the same side of an argument with them?
Why not go to the porn queen thread where you would be more at home?
I already posted there. Once. Said what I felt like saying.
You OTOH already posted there seven times.
But then, your employment status apparently leaves something to be desired when compared to mine so you have more free time. More nursemaids to feed and clothe and bathe and medicate you, too.
Did you ask them for any chronic opioids?
Michael K,
Do you have such animus for some commenters here that you can’t even recognize that you just might be on the same side of an argument with them?
He does. That's how blinded by vendetta he is. It's downright Trumpian.
It's so bad that he uses software to put my comments in a "kill file" so that his delicate eyes will not be blinded by them.
I keep reminding him that if he doesn't want me to say anything that would personally offend his delicate, snowflake self, he could not start every thread by insulting me or demanding that I get off "his" threads as if they're his lawn and he's an old man waving a rake and a chainsaw in the air.
It's quite sad, really. But instructive in the power of tribalism. He'll even occasionally compliment me, or used to years ago - as he still occasionally does with you. It's all based on how insulted he feels by the strength of the argument or jab that he provokes out of you or me. He takes things very, very personally and trusts no one.
“It's quite sad, really. But instructive in the power of tribalism. He'll even occasionally compliment me, or used to years ago - as he still occasionally does with you. It's all based on how insulted he feels by the strength of the argument or jab that he provokes out of you or me. He takes things very, very personally and trusts no one.”
Yes true, sadly. I see a decline in him in the past year and an incline in the tribalism and animus, as well as the sense of ownership on these threads.
All this over a move from TelAviv to Jerusalem. Jerusalem which was jewish before Mohammed decided to make up a violent religion.
J. Just so I'm clear on this. You have no problem with the English, French and Germans dividing up the middle east into tribal kingdoms , but you object when the UN does it?
Poor Inga. The five stages of mourning are just begun.
"And your actual response to my question was a YouTube video from at least 4 years ago of "Hamas leaders."
Farmer, has there been any indication that the stated goal of Hamas - the destruction of the Jewish state - has changed over the past 4 years? No, they are about what they have always been about.
And the reason those of us who are pro-Israel doubt Palestinian claims is because they have almost always been proven false- but not before the media have trumpeted the falsehoods around the world. Remember the 2002 Jenin "massacre?" The Beeb and NPR featured interview after interview with Palestinians who claimed lo, the bodies were piled up to the sky! Except they weren't. And the media conveniently omitted that the Palestinian leaders had purposely located their HQ in the middle of a densely populated neighborhood, and that the Israelis used ground forces rather than an air attack to minimize civilian casualties. That led to increased Israeli causalities, since 20 IDF soldiers were killed in booby-trapped buildings. But then details like that are usually omitted by the international media and NGO's.
Here's more for Farmer but I suspect it will make no impression.
The Israel haters are immune.
For Trump to be the worst anti-semite ever, he is not very good at it.
“Poor Inga. The five stages of mourning are just begun.”
What am I supposed to be mourning Michael?
"What am I supposed to be mourning Michael?"
Your party. RIP.
via insty
"THE STRATEGIC CASE FOR MOVING THE U.S. EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM IS VERY SIMPLE: Since Oslo in 1993, Israel has allowed Palestinian terrorists to set up a government in Ramallah, made three peace offers within internationally-accepted parameters, withdrawn from Gaza and parts of Samaria, suffered an intifadah, and in return has gotten… a worldwide Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions campaign? The Palestinians have believed that they could win by stalling, waiting until the world’s impatience forced Israel to concede. Moving the U.S. Embassy without a peace agreement demonstrates to the Palestinians that things can and will move on without them, as do the growing ties between Israel and the Sunni powers. Either accept that Israel is here to stay and make the necessary accommodations, or be left in the dustbin of history."
“What am I supposed to be mourning Michael?"
“Your party. RIP.”
Premature ejaculation, lol.
Arafat led the Palestinians into a cul de sac and they are stuck there.
Hamas is a creature of Iran.
No one in the Arab world wants the Palestinians.
They cannot defeat Israel and making peace would be a huge plus for them.
Lets talk in November, Inga.
Arafat was Egyptian.
Al Jazeera thinks he was poisoned by Polonium.
He could have had AIDS.
Probably Trump and a Russian Oligarch
PPPT: "Arafat was Egyptian."
That was obvious by the way he walked.
PPPT: "Al Jazeera thinks he was poisoned by Polonium."
I thought it was the canned salmon.
In any event, it's a shame to lose such worthy Nobel Prize Winners by such nefarious methods.
Michael K: "Lets talk in November, Inga."
Inga might be adjusting to the dropping of the completely and hilarious inept bogus attempted prosecution of Gov Greitens, at the very moment the judge ruled the Circuit Attorney could be called to testify (since all the evidence supposedly underlying the charges don't, like, exist.....)
And this is on top of our now knowing that the FBI/DOJ put spies into the Trump campaign (Halper) and actually manufactured the Pappadopoulus "knowledge of" the supposed email hack (Mifsud) and then arranged for the meeting in London with the Clinton ally diplomat (Downer).
On top of all that, it appears that Mueller and Comey actually had worked with russian oligarch Deripaska in 2009 in an operation that is being called illegal!!
The very diplomat that Manafort is being attacked for knowing.
How. Very. Very. Convenient.
It was probably AIDS as he was known to like the boys and that was a bad time to do it.
"How. Very. Very. Convenient."
I don't want to rub it in.
November is soon enough.
@J. Farmer:
Would you stand by and watch the destruction of Israel?
I was just getting to that:
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch
Waldman was retained by deripasha, to get the visa to communicate with bureau and company operatives.
Arafat was also the pawn of gru's sakharovsky probably when he was working in Cairo, re pacepa
Blogger J. Farmer said...
“1. Never get involved in a land war in Asia
2. Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line
3. Never discuss Israel on the Internet”
Good luck with that.
He saw this from his position in RomaniAn intelligence
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB106419296113226300
Subsequently the mitrokhin files revealed the plfp's waddi haddad (who employed Ramon illiych sanchez and his deputy)
narciso: "Waldman was retained by deripasha, to get the visa to communicate with bureau and company operatives."
Yep.
So Waldman, a democrat, was Deripaska's boy consultant and Waldman was in communication (secret) with Dem Senator Warner who worked to make sure the rest of the Senate Intelligence committee did NOT know what he was up to.
So, yes, Sen Warner was attempting to work directly with Deripaska's rep....the very same Deripaska that has worked with Mueller and Comey in 2009....the very same Deripaska that Mueller is attacking Manafort over.
Well, well, well.
On top of the spies the dems/deep staters put in the Trump campaign to set up junior campaign personnel to look like there was linkage with russian agents and wikileaks so that info could then be brought to Commie Brennan who then forwarded an Electronic Communication to Comey that kicked off the illegal domestic spying against the Trump campaign.
Literally what happens in leftist/commie/socialist countries. Lefties are all Stasi wannabe's.
But only every single one of them.
And now, it is rumored (and we may find out tomorrow) that the Mueller/Comey ally russian oligarch Deripaska might have been working directly with Christopher Steele in the production of the hoax dossier.
BTW, Mueller and Comey have hidden the FBI relationship with Deripaska the entire time even though that would have been a central fact that should have been shared with the court in the Manafort case.
Unbelievable.
Wait there is more mitsud the peripatetic Maltese academic supposedly with Kremlin contacts was also in partnership with mi6's Clair Smith, training security personnel in italy.
Deripasha likely did have contact with akhmetshin, who also worked with McCAin in Kazakhstan, and played back his network to steele.
"Unbelievable."
Oh, I believe it. The Deep State was desperate to rid itself of "this troublesome billionaire" who did not follow the rules.
And we havent even begun to address what the additional (though still heavily redacted) texts between page and strzok show.
Spoiler: a need to get "Mid Year Exam" (their code for the hillary email whitewash fake investigation) out of the way.
Further, sidney blumenthal and cody shearers coordination with Kerry State Dept jerkoffs.
Wait there is another interesting angle there? Cody shearer inn the 90s worked with George nader, for a middle eastern magazine, I suspect despite the latters proclivities.
PPPT: ...just check out Michael Special K. If he bothered to read a single thing I said he'd probably agree with it ... He has a practical fatwa out against me, and this despite - as I remind you - that he'd probably find what I'm posting here to be the most practically pro-Israeli/right-wing argument with a solid, historical defense to back it up as anyone can come up with.
Analysis:True.
Doc, Mike, I can't imagine what you found objectionable in Ritmo's posts on the topic. Furthermore, I love that he and J-Farm are going at it. While you're entitled to be apprehensive, every so often, he's both correct and reasonable. It's a pity the two of you can't scrub some history and see each other through fresh eyes.
Blogger Gahrie said...
@J. Farmer:
Would you stand by and watch the destruction of Israel?
5/14/18, 9:13 PM
Dear Gahrie,
Not while a single marshmallow remained untoasted. If my wit eludes you, yes, absolutely, assuming that watching wouldn't bore him.
J. Farmer,
Realism is what you are seeing.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/msnbc-reporter-calls-gaza-protesters-unarmed-then-says-had-light-weapons/
As for Hagee's reception in Israel and his words being feared by all of the Media, you need to know that Hagee is the Elisha with a double portion of the Spirit of an Elijah who was the first life long pro Israel Christian teacher named Derek Prince. Prince and his wife Lydia stayed in their orphanage home in Jerusalem during the 1947-48 War. He knew it all first hand and he never quit teaching about God's purpose for restoring Israel. He basically ended the American Church's easy anti-semitism by tacit acceptance, that had been the rule through the 1940s. Prince was well known in Israel.
So mitsud is connected through the London academy to a think tank run by nawaf Obeid a for aide to Prince Turki whose son is connected to Michael abenatti; crossing the streams here.
Someone named Frank J. Fleming put it succinctly:
"I think you're always going to have tension in the Middle East when there's people who want to kill the Jews and Jews who don't want to be killed and neither side is willing to compromise."
(thanks to Instapundit for the link)
Holeee moleee.
Watch the Laura Ingraham interview of John Solomon!
All about Comey's FBI (3 agents) visiting Deripaska in New York City (Deripaska was allowed in by the obama admin) with the FBI trying to recruit Deripaska into the Manafort frameup in Sept 2016.
Deripaska laughed them out of the room and the FBI guy were quite insistent that Deripaska help them show Manafort was colluding with Manafort.
Deripaska not only refused again but then the FBI turns around and uses Deripaska as the "bad guy" to try and nail Manafort anyway!
Once again, Stasi-like BS from the deep staters.
The best part of Muellers democrat hack-filled fake investigation?
The Mueller team of hacks never provided ANY of this exculpatory evidence to Manafort's defense team or the courts.
Aaaaaaaannnnnnnd, the info was purposely excluded from any FISA court warrants applications.
Scratch a lefty/liberal/deep stater, find a would-be police-state wannabe.
This was halpers paymaster
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/27/edaily express-exclusive-chelsea-clintons-best-friends-defense-company-got-11-mil-in-contracts-but-doesnt-have-federal-security-clearance/
@J. Farmer:
Would you stand by and watch the destruction of Israel?
Of course he would. As would all of the Progressives, the Democratic Party and the Media. They are the party of the Muslims.
langford peel, J. Farmer is an isolationist, not a progressive. (I don't think he's a Jew hater either.) I believe he voted for Trump. He's not a bad guy. I agree with some of his opinions regarding foreign policy, but strongly disagree with him about Israel.
“You know why the Palestinians light tire fires? The thick black toxic smoke gives them a place to hide while they attempt to sneak-in or launch weapons.$”
Kinda like the drone drivers in AZ watching Afghanis engaging in beastiality with their farm animals. Great fun apparently. They figure that because they can’t see anything because it is dark outside, no one can see them. In any case, the Israelis can see through the tire smoke just fine. Tanks, in particular, have vision systems that do so, since they are expected to fight in such conditions. The Israelis apparently used the main gun on one of their tanks to take out a big chunk of the terrorists who tried to cross the fence into their country last month, hidden by the thick smoke. A bit of overkill, of course, but effective. Pictures of Israeli tanks waiting for the expected protests and associated attempts of incursion, so don’t expect such to be successful. Notably, when the Israelis ending up having to take out a dozen or so terrorists last month, they very quickly had photos published of the terrorists, with their training, which martyrs brigade they belonged to etc.
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