You can read the article here. Excerpt:
[L]ifting her eyes and staring into the distance before her, González stood in silence. Inhaling and exhaling deeply—the microphone caught the susurration, like waves lapping a shoreline—González’s face was stoic, tragic. Her expression shifted only minutely, but each shift—her nostrils flaring, or her eyelids batting tightly closed—registered vast emotion. Tears rolled down her cheeks; she did not wipe them away.....I become very uneasy when politics looks like religion.
In its restraint, its symbolism, and its palpable emotion, González’s silence was a remarkable piece of political expression. Her appearance also offered an uncanny echo of one of the most indelible performances in the history of cinema: that of Renée Maria Falconetti, who starred in Carl Theodor Dreyer’s classic silent film from 1928, “The Passion of Joan of Arc.”... Falconetti, who never made another movie, gives an extraordinary performance, her face registering at different moments rapture, fear, defiance, and transcendence... [W]hen Joan knows that she is to be martyred, Dreyer’s camera lingers on closeups of Falconetti, with her brutally close-cropped hair, her rough garments, and her anguished silence. Her extraordinary image in that sequence could be intercut almost seamlessly with footage from Saturday’s rally....
Our potential saviors gleam all the more brightly against the pervasive political and civic darkness of the moment.
The word "passion" in "The Passion of Joan of Arc" is based on the meaning "The sufferings of Jesus in the last days of his life, from the Last Supper to his death; the Crucifixion itself" which has been extended to "The sufferings of a martyr, martyrdom" (OED). Joan of Arc was martyred, killed because of her adherence to Christianity.
Should the suffering of someone who was shot — or who huddled in fear of getting shot — by an evil/insane gunman be called The Passion? The closeups of Falconetti and paintings of the Crucifixion reinforce religious faith. If you engage with these images, you experience vicarious suffering, and perhaps you feel you should — you do — believe what was so important to them that they died like that.
But a child in a school shooting has no internal beliefs that brought her to the place where she is suffering. No opponent of her beliefs is putting her to the test. And she would gladly run away if she could. Yes, González made a powerful demonstration of how terrible it is to be caught in a school shooting. But it would be a mistake to take the idea of that suffering and merge it with beliefs that we ought to adopt because of that suffering. The policy proposals of gun control are not the equivalent of the Christian religion. The children happened to be caught, horribly, in a very bad place, but that was happenstance, not because of their belief in gun control.
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Red Guards got lots of likes too.
Would Emma Gonzales be so "canonized" in the media if she were fat, pimply, and plain?
Red Guards got lots of likes too.
Achilles beat me to it. I was going to say that we should be thankful these kids are anti-gun and let us hope they remain so. The thought of them well-armed is terrifying.
Wow, is this offensive. Beyond that, it's deeply ignorant of French history and the tradition of Catholic martyrdom. I don't expect the New Yorker to suddenly lean Right, but I do expect erudition.
. . . or if she were a red-haired, green-eyed, ethnically white girl with classic Anglo-Saxon features, who believed in the 2nd Amendment?
"I become very uneasy when politics looks like religion."
Politics has always been connected to religion, to the point there really is little distinction historically. The decoupling of religion from politics in the Constitution assumed there was a substantive religious structure that would provide moral orientation for society. With the dissolution of religion as a social priority, indeed the rejection of religion as even a social voice, politics reverts to its comprehensive historical expression.
Politics now has taken the place of religion in a great many people, leaving the establishment clause narrowly applied to fight the new heresies. The only religion allowed is the religion of politics, with its own saints and clerics and dogmas.
Yeah she would be canonized as the symbol of white supremacy.
I’m sick to death of child worship and elevation to sainthood simply for espousing rote liberal orthodoxy. Victimhood does not endow one with wisdom. Even if it did, the quality of the argument should be tested regardless of the messenger’s status. Many of us have been shot at, had friends killed, been through hellish days. In my case those are all good reasons for me to KEEP and BARE arms. I’m sick of these kids and their wasted fifteen minutes.
And hell no if she was less photogenic they wouldn’t care for her or her message at all.
Is there anything more predictable than leftists proclaiming other leftists "sort of gods"?
This will end well.
We are ripe for a Great Leap Forward, no doubt.
Emma Gonzalez bullied Nikolas Cruz
“Since he was in middle school, it was no surprise to anyone who knew him, that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him? You didn’t know this kid! OK? We did!”
Marolo Alvarez remembers students taunting Nikolas Cruz.
“He looked like a school shooter,” Alvarez said students used to say about him.
… Alvarez, who spoke to reporters at a vigil for victims of the area’s second mass shooting in 13 months, said he wishes he had said something earlier. “I could have said something to administrators, that ‘hey this kid gets bullied a lot, please help him, please reach out to him.’ I kind of regret not doing that,” Alvarez said.
"González’s face was stoic, tragic. Her expression shifted only minutely, but each shift—her nostrils flaring, or her eyelids batting tightly closed—registered vast emotion. Tears rolled down her cheeks; she did not wipe them away....."
Tom Perez to Nancy Pelosi, "See, I toldya those acting lessons would pay for themselves."
Achilles beat me to it. I was going to say that we should be thankful these kids are anti-gun and let us hope they remain so. The thought of them well-armed is terrifying.
#1 on this year's "things I wish I had written."
The policy proposals of gun control are not the equivalent of the Christian religion.
No, the proposals aren't, but the ideology behind those proposals most certainly is. That ideology has always seen itself as a replacement for all the faiths, most especially, Christianity. It starts with Bruno Bauer of the Young Hegelians, then to Feuerbach (also a YH, who really gives the idea shape), then into Marx, from where it infects all aspect of Marxist & post-Marxist Leftist thought.
The Soviets were very explicit in taking over iconography & ritual from Orthodox Christianity & incorporating them into state actions.
Talk about jumping the shark. These crisis actors are being given Academy Awards for sincere bullshit, already. That was quick. Like it was pre-planned. Will they be getting Nobel Prizes too, as soon as the snow melts in Sweden?
I don't expect the New Yorker to suddenly lean Right, but I do expect erudition.
What? From the NYT??
Kinda weird how the kids they chose were all the cool kids in school. The popular kids.
Hogg is a bully. You don’t even need the stories to know he was an asshole to all of the poor/fat kids.
So the appearance, if not the odour, of sanctity is what matters. How would the pious
author respond to Piss Christ ?
Does the New Yorker know what happened to Joan of Arc?
Mike said...
I’m sick to death of child worship and elevation to sainthood simply for espousing rote liberal orthodoxy...
Careful, Mike; the child in question self-identifies as "bisexual."
Which calls to mind the great Jack Handey, who wrote:
I believe in making the world safe
for our children,
but not for our children's children,
because I don't think children
should be having sex.
Eyelids flaring and nostrils batting - I hope she's not crazy like Joan was.
From the age of thirteen, Joan of Arc experienced frequent episodes of auditory and visual hallucinations. Did she suffer from epilepsy?
"One of the many hypotheses, which have been circulating, was that Joan of Arc suffered from a psychiatric illness, especially schizophrenia.
...
In a recent article, two neurologists claim that the semiology of the episodes is more suggestive of epileptic seizures, which have been considered as ecstatic by some authors or as partial epilepsy with auditory features by others."
I am so thoroughly, completely, totally, fucking, sick of these idiot children and the idea that everyone should bend to their uninformed wills, just because they had the misfortune to be involved in a school shooting. They have lost any sympathy that I had for them in the first place.
I'm sorry that your classmate was an insane person who didn't get any help from responsible adults that should have known better. It is a shame that the laws were not enforced and that this terrible thing happened to you. It wasn't my fault. It is NOT my problem.
Now. STFU. Get out of my face! Get over yourselves. Isn't your 5 minutes of fame up yet? Please go away.
If they don't stop soon, I'm going to wish bad things upon their uninformed passionate heads.
Oh, & let's not go all Kraut & forget the French contribution to immanetizing the eschaton: Henri de Saint-Simon.
Ill say it...she is not photogenic.
And i had a gun directly pointed at my head when i was a whopping 2 years older than them. It happened again a year later.
I did not demand then, nor am I now, that people lose rights because a coked out imbecile had a gun and had a beef with me.
Teenagers are useful soldiers, sometimes.
Not because they are good soldiers, right off, but because you can more easily make them do things older people will hesitate at.
There were lots of teenage suicide bombers for instance.
Essential viewing - Netflix "Beasts of no Nation"
Their posterboy wasn't even at the school that day until it was all over--according to internet reports yesterday. He probably had a young communists meeting to attend. Or was watching YouPorn.
Fritz said...
Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him?
Mass Shootings: Why It's So Hard to Predict Who Will Snap
They're not psychotic or schizophrenic and they're (mostly) not loners; but they were rejected.
Paddy O @11:23:
Very good points, Paddy.
"Secularization" works nicely for a while, in stable and prosperous societies where there is still a strong enough shared, if now tacit, "religious" foundation.
But it inevitably deteriorates into (or, rather, reverts to) rival identitarian factions (aka religions, religious sects) -- the very things secularism is supposed to prevent or control.
Yeah, the youth are the vanguards of bad ideas.
The youth were also quite fervent Nazis, when it was relevant.
OUT: LOL that f'n psycho Pence thinks Geeeeezus talks to him
IN: Saints be praised, that angel could be Joan of Arc
Saint Joan led the escalade on several fortresses, which required tremendous courage. And was wounded in action at least twice. So there was there there.
Joan of Arc will always be a known figure in the history books, not so for Emma Whatshername.
Although Joan of Arc lived in the early 1400s, the events of her life are known in amazing detail. Soon after her death, France's Catholic Church investigated and documented her life.
Her whereabouts are known for practically every day after she left home. The contents of a large number of conversations are known.
Her life is probably the best known life of that century.
This deification is even more troubling when you know that some families do not want their dead children used by Emma Gonzalez and the press in this passion play.
When I see little Hogg, with his sour pinched up face and this Gonzalaz chick with her "passionate" zeal.
THIS is what comes to mind. Be careful. Don't let this crap get out of control. Which is WHY we must never ever surrender our rights.
Darrell said...
Their posterboy wasn't even at the school that day until it was all over--according to internet reports yesterday. He probably had a young communists meeting to attend. Or was watching YouPorn.
Those reports are all being withdrawn and corrected. He was at the school when the shooting started, and heard the shots, and sheltered in place with other students until they were escorted off campus. He came back later on his bike to interview people standing around the outside of the police perimeter of the scene.
I wish the story about Hogg not being there were true. I'd like to see the kid get tripped up as long as he's become this hyper-political figure.
But it isn't true. Erick Erickson needs to be a lot more careful.
I become very uneasy when politics looks like religion.
By any means necessary.
Did anyone mention her Cuban flag on her shirt ?
Whatever happened to that "powerful symbol" of a swatch of duct tape pasted across your yap?
Very good, DBQ. Well played.
Well, when you're a member of the State cult--or of it's Youth Group, like Herr Oberlieutenant Hogg and the bald lesbian with the pro-communist t-shirt--all politics IS religion, and vice versa.
Kids sort of remind me of Horst: and he even had his own song.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied
CarolynnS said...
Would Emma Gonzales be so "canonized" in the media if she were fat, pimply, and plain?
3/27/18, 11:20 AM
She is plain, at best. A brute really. Dysfunction is written all over her face, or, at least, her scalp.
None of that is relevant to the fact that her ideas are hot garbage, unless dysfunctional people are more likely to have bad ideas. But nobody cares about that, so yes, in that sense, her unattractiveness is relevant. (That Hogg kid is also no dreamboat to me, but opinions differ.)
I wonder, if you shot at them again and again, how many of them would finally wise up and want guns of their own.
Faith, religion, and tradition are separable concepts and practices. Religion or moral philosophy, is similar to law, in that it describes and prescribes a behavioral protocol. So, we have replaced one form of religion with another, progressive/oppressive religion under an ostensibly secular umbrella. The hangup for many people is the author (e.g. philosopher, God) of the principles, which causes them to judge a philosophy based, not on its content, but rather its "color".
"I become very uneasy when politics looks like religion." I appreciate your sensitivity, but it's a little late for that.
Politics "looking like" religion is the very essence of progressivism. Has been for over a century.
Not the least consequence of which is the hunt for heretics and apostates.
...and theater.
Surprised That ‘Never Again’ Leaders Are Theatre Kids? I’m Not.
Actually, Michael K, if you Google her name and "Cuban flag t-shirt" you'll find the usual gang of idiots defending it or at least taking the position, "Move along, nothing to see. No statism here." Denial isn't just a river in Egypt to these people; it's a way of life.
I don't care about Ms. Gonzalez in the least or anything she has to say, but I do admire Dreyer's "The Passion of Joan of Arc."
A new Blu-ray version was released last week by the Criterion Collection. It includes a version at 20 frames per second instead of the more common 24 frames per second, and is well worth the price of the DVD (if you are considering replacing yours).
You can find it through the Althouse Amazon portal.
I have written it many times in the last few years- parody is being killed by reality.
Think about it- how could you possibly do a parody of such an article?
I think Joan of Arc was killed because she was thought to be a witch, not "because of her adherence to Christianity". The Englishmen who killed her were also Christians, and this was long before the protestant reformation.
I am quite uncomfortable that the parents of these children allow them to have their PTSD paraded and used for a political goal. I consider that child abuse.
Trey
“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” So said Mencken. These days a lot of folks are out to test that proposition.
There's a scene in Tom Sawyer where Tom gets to witness his own funeral. Twain was tapping into a powerful childhood fantasy. Think of how all the adults will regret the mean things they said to me after I die. Gonzalez gets to do Twain one better. She delivers the eulogy at the funeral and gets to blame the death on the people she doesn't like........There's a kind of glamour to these school shootings. Young people like to think that society mistreats them, and that these shootings dramatize their plight and martyrdom. You can reliably depend on the media to backlight them, publish their most attractive photos, and uncritically accept their histrionic statements........All this glamour doesn't really advance the cause of gun control so much as it does the probability of the next school shooting. The glamour doesn't just attract photogenic eulogists. It attracts the loose filings and the kid who has a different fantasy of how to get even with the people who treat him badly.
DBQ,
These teens should be out of the public eye no later than, oh, say about September, when the DNC has to pretend that it doesn't want to grab our guns in order to have a hope in the mid-terms. Probably sooner.
Do you remember any of the precious (somewhat older) moppets from Occupy Wall Street? Do you see much of Cindy Sheehan anymore?
These teens will be treated like less talented, less attractive Judy Garlands. Used up, chewed up, spit out.
The best they can hope for, if they are smart enough and play their cards right, is some sort of pundit gig, like Amanda Marcotte or Jessica Valenti.
Don’t worry, these young people won’t have any political power until a few years from now when most of them can vote.
"And even as the flames licked her body, she refused to scream. Instead, in her agonized death throes, she cried out, 'Gun control now!'"
I distrust politically passionate Latin women. It's a cultural ethnic prejudice I have. Most are lefties and killers in spirit if not in fact. Dolores Ibarruri was the archetype.
I visited Jean D'Arc's family house in Domremy. It's a nice house, sturdy and stone-built, with two stories and relatively spacious rooms. Her family were modestly well-off peasant farmers, freeholders not serfs. I stood in the field behind her house more or less on the spot where she had her vision. I attended mass in the nearby Cathedral. All very moving. I see no reason not to ascribe her vision to the Divine. But I'm Catholic and believe in such things. So, there's that.
The policy proposals of gun control are not the equivalent of the Christian religion.
Oh but they are. Like policy proposals for global warming, gun control will save our souls and punish the wicked.
What is the ultimate triumph of the victim-hood movement? It has been running roughshod over our institution and values for years now. Institutions and value that have saved the world in many ways and many times? The end of this tragedy is still ahead, and likely very ugly. A movement based on endless victims endlessly reinvented couldn't have it any other way.
She was convicted at a rigged trial, held in flagrant breach of canon law and accepted legal procedures, of heresy - for cross dressing. She was not executed for being a Christian. Following the trial, appeals to the Pope were denied. In the 1450s the trial was subjected to proper scrutiny, Joan was declared innocent and a martyr. The cross dressing charge was because she had dressed as a man on occasion.This was undisputed. Cross dressing was potentially heretical, but could be justified by necessity, of which there was plenty. certainly enough to satisfy the trial in the 1450s.
I'm struggling to think of any parallel with the life and practice of Ms Gonzalez
"Joan of Arc was martyred, killed because of her adherence to Christianity." ??? ... nope
The more that little soyboy and this twat are the face of the democratic party, the better for the republicans in the upcoming election.
I'd bet money that this little bint falsely accuses a guy of rape in college. Maybe even parades around with a mattress.
the Hogg toad was in another building during the shooting, if he was there at all.
"Inhaling and exhaling deeply—the microphone caught the susurration."
Of course.."susurration".
"Don’t worry, these young people won’t have any political power until a few years from now when most of them can vote."
Unfortunately, like most of us, but not all, they won't know much about why or how to vote until years after that. I was probably 30 before I figure out how dumb I was at that age.
The more that little soyboy and this twat are the face of the democratic party, the better for the republicans in the upcoming election.
Quite so. There are a LOT of Democrats who also own guns for hunting and protection purposes who do not want to have their Constitutional rights and their freedoms taken away. It is a key issue that would cause Democrats to vote for their interests and against the gun control/gun seizing liberal left.
Blacks, who understand their own history, know that the original gun control laws were meant to KEEP black people from owning guns. The Racist History of Gun Control In America from MTV
Ida B. Wells, an African-American journalist and civil rights activist, wrote in a pamphlet entitled "Southern Horrors":
The lesson this teaches and which every Afro-American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give. When the white man who is always the aggressor knows he runs as great a risk of biting the dust every time his Afro-American victim does, he will have greater respect for Afro-American life. The more the Afro-American yields and cringes and begs, the more he has to do so, the more he is insulted, outraged and lynched.
Thinking that gun control is only a Republican issue is very shortsighted.
"Young people like to think that society mistreats them,"
It does. Putting them in schools with no company but each other.
Jean was 19 when executed. She was a force of nature, clearly highly intelligent, charismatic, courageous, and sincerely devout. She did wear women's clothes on rare occasions when she felt that it was appropriate and safe to do so. She was said to be not unattractive although plain and that she had a pleasant and sometimes even mischievous demeanor. When I think about what she did and accomplished in her short time on earth, and in the context of her times, I must conclude that she ranks among the most extraordinary persons in history.
It's not trading on religion but just kid-worship. Women sucked in.
It's good that some women resent it, even if for the wrong reason, but we have to aim for 100% thinking like men.
Althouse has cooked up a workable women's reason to resent it, but she's still not thinking like a man.
Being young is all about what you want, and not what your responsibilities are. Responsibilities are so uncool unless they make you popular, but it's still easier to just get what you want by pretending to take on responsibilities than actually tackling them.
Adulthood is the quiet desperation, and occasional triumph of dealing with responsibility. It is rarely something others envy or strive to join in on, but it is right, and it is what gave us all what we have. Kids have no idea about this, including the ones at advanced age.
walter said...
"Inhaling and exhaling deeply—the microphone caught the susurration."
Of course.."susurration".
3/27/18, 1:05 PM
When PDJT does it, evidently it's snurfing. (HT: Inga)
Does anyone know the name of the young man putting the flower in the barrel of a National Guardsman"s gun? No? The picture was iconic, the kid famous for fifteen minutes. Soon it will be summer and Ms Gonzales will go on to the next level of SJW, the college level where I am sure that her cohorts will let her jump ahead of them in seniority and become a leader of whatever "movement" strikes their fancy at that time. She will have to navigate the very nervous waters of the big time SJW movement, her every opinion scanned for traces of racism or ungoodthought. She has a fucking rough road ahead of her.
They will tear her eyes out.
I know back in the 1400s thet didn't have a body count, but how many people died at the Siege of Orleans that was lead by Joan D'Arc?
The individuals making such a comparisons, realized the French armed were armed with the arms of the day?
"Joan of Arc was martyred, killed because of her adherence to Christianity."
No, she was killed because of her adherence to Charles of Valois.
Can we shoot them out of a cannon?
Althouse is upset because the New Yorker's stealing her schtick.
You know, avoid the issue by focusing on irrelevancies.
At least she gets into interesting areas worth discussing. The New Yorker's handwaving the elephant in the room that they've got no anti-gun argument that holds water, so it's "look, doesn't she look like Joan of Arc"?
Leftist Latin women -
Milicianas
Milicianas
Milicianas
Did anyone check this bald headed beaners immigration status?
Maybe we can deport her.
It wasn't some 'old ass' people who shot them. It was another teenager.
In just about all of these atrocities it was some young pimpled youth.
They should be saying 'What's wrong with us?'
I was about the same age as these kids when I lost someone very close to me. She was murdered in a parking lot by an illegal immigrant with a knife. Does this grant me special dispensation to discuss immigration questions?
The haircut is nice. It ought to be a style.
Safe around machinery.
She looks more like Curly from the Three Stooges than Joan of Arc.
She looks more like Curly from the Three Stooges than Joan of Arc.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!
Inga believes that a few years from now all these children will vote the way a tiny minority that the media have blown up into, what? Icons? Secular saints? Inga, my dear, if you polled all teenagers you’d almost certainly have a plain majority in favor of gun ownership and Second Amendment rights. It wouldn’t surprise me to see a high fraction, in the fortieth percentile st least, of Parkland in favor of gun rights.
There were so many ways the tragedy could have been avoided. If other kids hadn’t bullied Cruz. (Was Gonzalez one of the bullies? Is that why she’s so passionate about blaming gun owners?) The FBI received a warning that some with the online handle “ nikolas cruz” was commenting on a YouTube video about wanting to be a school shooter. The FBI did nothing. Yet a five minute search would have turned up a real Nikolas Cruz with a troubling history, and ten minutes or so after that they could have discovered that the nikolas cruz who posted a comment on YouTube had the same MAC address as the Nikolas Cruz who owned an AR 15. TV detectives would call that “a clue.” But a clue is what the FBI after the leadership of Mueller and Comey did not have.
The FBI says “protocols were not followed.” Damn those protocols! Don’t they know they’re supposed to be followed?!?
Cruz was evaluated by mental health professionals about five years ago and determined to not be a threat to himself or others. Ha! Got that wrong. But not to worry; they won’t be reprimanded, or fired, or sued. Perish the thought that anyone other than the NRA could be at fault.
The Sheriff’s deputies on the scene. Did they do their jobs? Standard school shooter protocols manifestly were not followed. Oh, there’s those pesky protocols again!
It’s not my fault that so many educators, law enforcement professionals, and mental health professionals did not do their jobs. Gonzalez wants to live in a world where they’re off the hook. Grown ups are more knowledgable.
LarsPorsena said...
It wasn't some 'old ass' people who shot them. It was another teenager.
In just about all of these atrocities it was some young pimpled youth.
They should be saying 'What's wrong with us?'
3/27/18, 1:40 PM
They should be saying, "So what's up with this prison-to-school shit? Why do you think we ratted him out? So he wouldn't come back!"
>>everyone should bend to their uninformed wills, just because they had the misfortune to be involved in a school shooting
I think we should let airline crash survivors dictate national aviation policy.
And if you survive an auto accident, you should be allowed to rewrite traffic laws.
They don't take religion seriously, so they're happy to use its imagery whenever convenient for their purposes.
See, the way past this problem is to create a fashion for uniformed, armed left-wing feminist militias. Maybe it just needs an HBO series. Or a college course or so.
The uniforms have to be cute of course - so those Spanish Anarchist/Communist girls of 1936 should be ideal.
They were quite the thing at various times and places.
She is more like Sinead O'Connor. She tore the pistol target just like Sinead tore the Pope's picture. Plus Bat S___ crazy.
It's astonishing (and chilling) how quickly a professionally organized media approved campaign can elevate two people (Hogg and Gonzalez) to estatic cult leaders in such a short time. Both Hogg and Gonzalez have some unusual talent before a camera and with arousing sound bites. And a vast number of intellectually rootless people craving to be led somewhere.
>>It's astonishing (and chilling) how quickly a professionally organized media approved campaign can elevate two people (Hogg and Gonzalez) to estatic cult leaders in such a short time
You mean, like in 2007, when a nobody with no record became a "lightworker"?
I feel 100% just like you, Dust Bunny Queen.
Don’t worry, these young people won’t have any political power until a few years from now when most of them can vote.
They won't have any more political power than they have now. Most likely they'll have less because ghouls like you will have moved on to using the next set of props.
Haven't watched these two.
I do know some teens are competent beyond their years. Maybe not these two but some do have wisdom and leadership qualities about them.
(Not me).
What this is, is child abuse. Manipulation of young people for the satisfaction of your own intentions.
I knew a guy years ago who fancied himself a Spellbinding Orator. In front of his mirror he would practice the sort of poses Lenin strikes in Socialist Realist paintings. In spite of appearances, he ultimately lacked an audience, so it wasn't enough to look the part. Sad.
“They won't have any more political power than they have now. Most likely they'll have less because ghouls like you will have...”
They will have any more political power than they have now. Most likely they'll have more because fools like you will have croaked.
So, Inga, you would say of the anti-2A Jugend, that tomorrow belongs to them ?
See, this is the reality of truly revolutionary women - note the AK-47's
Revolutionary Women
Revolutionary Women
Revolutionary Women
Revolutionary Women
The above are Palestinians, Colombians, Kurds, all communists (the Kurdish YPG is a communist movement).
“So, Inga, you would say of the anti-2A Jugend, that tomorrow belongs to them ?”
It makes sense that tomorrow belongs to the young. Of course individually, tomorrow is promised to no one, young, old middle aged.
And for what its worth, from what I saw of the Maoist NPA (New Peoples Army) they had quite a few women in the ranks.
So it should be possible to generate an armed womens revolutionary movement. Sure, some people will get killed, but on the whole its better than this soul-murder passive-aggressive stuff.
“So it should be possible to generate an armed womens revolutionary movement. Sure, some people will get killed, but on the whole its better than this soul-murder passive-aggressive stuff.”
Buwaya, stirring the pot again. So eager to see Americans killing each other.
They don't take religion seriously
No, they don't. They practice a form of quasi-religion that is ethical or situational (i.e. Pro-Choice).
Apparently missing the irony, or pretending to, Inga writes in response to my question if tomorrow belongs to the Pinched Face Weasel, the Bald Lesbian and their followers:
“It makes sense that tomorrow belongs to the young. Of course individually, tomorrow is promised to no one, young, old middle aged."
Indeed. Especially since their beloved State murders people so readily (and estimated 150,000,000 to 350,000,000 in the past hundred years alone). You think the Jugend will express any outrage or horror over those figures, or keep pushing to give Big Brother even more power?
Blogger Phil said... I was about the same age as these kids when I lost someone very close to me. She was murdered in a parking lot by an illegal immigrant with a knife. Does this grant me special dispensation to discuss immigration questions?
Nice little cuck politely asking permission while decrying someone who takes direct action. This comment is a nice distillation of how the outwardly macho right are really a bunch of timid victims.
Jordan Peterson blames this on The Tyrannical Father And The Devouring Mother.
dda6ga dda6ga said...
Kids sort of remind me of Horst: and he even had his own song.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied
I'd lie too if my name were "Horst". Heck, I lie anyway.
"You mean, like in 2007, when a nobody with no record became a "lightworker"?
You are referencing Obama, right? He had been elected to the Illinois legislature and the United States Senate. He may have had limited experience and qualifications, but that's not a nobody. These are two high school kids with some media skills.
Inga,
First of all, your new profile picture just rocks. Absolutely rocks. Love it. Mysterious, coy, playful.
Second, the political power these youth have is that of a club that can be used to bash or a tool that can be used to pry. That is, no inherent power, just a capability to be used that multiplies others' power.
And like a club or a tool, to be discarded when no longer useful.
Not sure that is going to change when they get to vote. Perhaps these youth, with time and cunning, can amass some independent power, but guile is not something youth have in abundance.
"Nice little cuck politely asking permission while decrying someone who takes direct action. "
The trouble here is that "taking action" in this case (anti-immigration) will certainly lead to professional destruction and the inability to earn a living, hence being unable to fulfill responsibilities re family and children. And it may well harm the childrens careers as well.
Its exactly the same sort of sanction on dissent with which they maintained control in East Germany or Czechoslovakia. It required considerable courage to be a dissenter, a la Vaclav Havel, who could not hold a job for 20 years.
The only people that can take action are the untouchable, the independently wealthy or the absolutely indigent, with no family or other responsibilities. Or those who are attached to political funders on the other side, but there are few slots, and then you are under another sort of thumb.
To be on the left side requires no courage at all, as there is no possibility of sanctions.
This really isn't a free society.
Howard said...
Jordan Peterson blames this on The Tyrannical Father And The Devouring Mother.
I can't say that I'm a Peterson fan, but here he says that "the feminists" "act out" the "devouring mother". "For them the world is divided into predators and infants."
I thought it was funny if nothing else, which maybe it is.
Much of the country is run by small counsels, commissions and boards. Shit don't run on the osmotic pressure of blogs. If you feel un-free and powerless, it's because of the choices you make. "In the land of milk and honey, you must put them on the table"
"Much of the country is run by small counsels, commissions and boards."
Like the SF School Board. Which really runs nothing. And you cannot get on it unless you are a political professional or the next best thing. And if you do run as someone with something to lose, against the system, then you will lose more than your campaign.
Not recommended if you have a professional career.
Fernandstein: Peterson is best when lecturing students in class because context. He is most influenced by Nietzsche, Dostoevsky and Jung. I don't recommend his pod casts, interviews nor the sound-bites clipped out by someone (like me) with an axe to grind
Several years ago I contacted "A Way With Words" asking what the sound of wind passing through pine trees was as opposed to the sound of wind going through leaves (rustling). They came up with susurration, a word now ruined forever for me.
buwaya: excuses excuses... that's what fear and failure looks like.
I am trying not to let the actions of these young people anger me even though they are behaving in a manner that invites anger. I am directing my anger toward their parents, media anchors and all the leaders of the anti-gun groups who are cowards because they let these kids say all these hate filled things on their behalf. They know no shame. Even though these kids have willingly been a part of some despicable propaganda sponsored by these anti-gun groups, I have also read some really horrible things written about the kids and that is disturbing...hurl the insults to their handlers. They richly deserve the verbal lashings
If being in an adjacent building opposite where someone else is killed can turn you into a constitutional scholar and weapins expert who must be listened to then does sitting in a waiting room while someone is operated upon confer modern medical knowledge? If not, why not?
Except in the Phillipines of course as lefties here at althouse explained quite thoroughly: those little brown people are never to be considered or accepted as competent in medical fields.
They know Falconetti was an actress, right, and not the real Joan of Arc.
i did a google search on Spanish Anarchist/Communist girls of 1936
and you're Right; those Are cute uniforms!
"buwaya: excuses excuses... that's what fear and failure looks like."
True. These (far and failure) are inevitable, until you collapse, along with all your institutions. If you are alive then this will take you down with it. to the extent you are vulnerable.
Me, I have arranged alternatives.
Don’t worry, these young people won’t have any political power until a few years from now when most of them can vote.
Oh right. How many of them are in blue counties in blue Congressional Districts in blue states?
Or red counties in red Districts in red states?
How many could march right down to their polling place and have absolutely no impact on who gets elected?
Like Evangelical youths getting all riled up in Mississippi, the idea that some group is going to come along and change things through their vote becomes less and less plausible the more we sequester ourselves into red and blue states.
Besides the fact that every election we hear that young voters are gong to decide everything.
And every election young voters decide to do something other than vote.
Please, let me once again encourage the Leftist Collectivists to run against the Second Amendment.
That way lies the political power you so desire.
20 second clip, make if it what you will:
Emma Gonzalez Admits to Ostracizing Boy Who Became Shooter
I'm firmly in the "leave the kids out of it" camp. If the people who want to restrict my civil rights INSIST on using the kids to help them do so, though, I'm not going to just surrender.
Jim: She is more like Sinead O'Connor. She tore the pistol target just like Sinead tore the Pope's picture. Plus Bat S___ crazy.
Tearing up the target. ("Fake but accurate" version.)
Interesting; TMZ is reporting today that David Hogg had applied to and was recently turned down by UCLA, UCSB, UCSD, and UC Irvine. Wonder how much of his activism is a college admissions stunt?
http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/27/parkland-leader-david-hogg-rejected-colleges-emma-gonzalez/
Can't shake this one:
Key & Peele - Fighting Meegan's Battles
There is a certain type of person--usually but not always a woman--who has a great deal of fun acting in ways they know SHOULD put them in danger of consequences but WON'T because of who they are. The sketch comedy routine I linked is premised on just such a person: a woman who "starts shit" and then all but demands she be stuck up for/protected by a man (leading to fights, etc).
These kids are just another example of the same sorry phenomenon. The Hogg kid especially. "Oh, I'm going to be naughty & get tons of attention for saying all sorts of untrue, dirty, mean spirited shit and no one will be able to stop me--if anyone objects the Media will sic 'em and call them child-attackers! What fun." Single fist salute!
Well, bullshit. That's the behavior of assholes. One aspect about disputes or arguments between young adult men is that you always know (even if just in the back of your mind) that getting punched in the face is a possible outcome. That knowledge affects what you'll say and do, and that can be a good thing--certainly in terms of dispute resolution. When you know you can say anything and get away with it people tend to embrace their more asshole-ish tendencies. There's a LOT of that with these "survivors."
dda6ga dda6ga said...Kids sort of remind me of Horst: and he even had his own song
Naaah. Close, though.
The Media keeps talking about how inspiring these kid are an how great it is that they're going to run things (with their hard Left values). I keep hearing:
Tomorrow Belongs to Me
Unfair?
Meanwhile some 18yo recruit is sweating it out right now at Parris Island.
It's not all bad, I mean.
Just a shame those guys don't get any camera time, you know?
Oh damn, DBQ & William Chadwick beat me to it! Serves me right for not reading all the way through before posting, but I'm glad others had the same thought.
If all you need to have moral authority is to survive a shooting in your immediate vicinity then the residents of Chicago's poorer neighborhoods should be on every channel too.
How come no one ever asks them about gun control?
Those students would probably be happy to ride on chartered planes to marching venues and have lucrative speaking engagements, so why don't they get any bookings?
If you saw that the leaders of your political party were 70something and doddering fools, you'd have no choice but to beatify photogenic youth and declare that they were the future of the party.
HoodyDoody: Not everyone is as brave as you are: the Marines are not for everyone.
Joan of Arc was executed because she gave the English a great deal of trouble and they wanted to be rid of her. If they could have summarily executed her without drawing unwanted ire, they would have done so. The heresy charge was purely for show and the trial was comparable to a Soviet show trial.
People are calling these kids leaders, but really someone else is allowing them the camera time and microphone time. It isn't like they are saying anything so interesting.
Counterfactuals are hard to prove, but its an easy guess these kids aren't doing anything they wouldn't have done given a microphone and a platform at any time in their young adult lives. They have the opinions that CNN wanted on air, so they were put on air. That isn't leadership on their part. Other kids with other opinions weren't chosen.
The Joan of Arc thing is gross, though. Someoene's developed a fervent crush on this girl, and they should have thought twice before writing it so blatantly in the New Yorker.
Obama's choom gang has Disney casting setting up protest Monkees group. Who dresses them for the TV?
Schools have been grooming the kids over decades for this. Now the "community organizers" got a white guy with low interstitial value to protest (notice no protest over John Allen Mohammad, the DC sniper? How disappointed were they he was Nation of Islam and not white supremacy?).
Since invited, lets compare
Risk level
Joan of arc - 100%, burned at the stake
Emma of FL - 0%, tons of free TV, applause, and a career in publicity
Goal
Joan of arc - religious freedom
Emma of FL - elimination of freedom, continuing to advance liberal/PC control once they show the 2nd amendment is on the table, why not limit the 1st to create "safe space" for the unprivileged?
The real message here is the left is doing Alinsky well. If you don't like where they are headed, better respond in kind. They got us on the run now, they aren't gonna slow down.
I bet you could take David Hogg's tweets and change the names and tell people they are Trump tweets, and people would believe it. He says awful things about people he disagrees with.
Jeanne d'Arc for religious freedom? I don't think so. She was for France, and it's nice that they call her a saint. So, somehow I think your analysis of saint Emma is off base as well.
Joan of Arc picked up a sword and beat the crap out of the English.
Sure, let's exploit the most ignorant, stupid, self-absorbed, amoral and generally vicious segment of any population - children.
Blogger Naimisha said... Sure, let's exploit the most ignorant, stupid, self-absorbed, amoral and generally vicious segment of any population - children.
That's why they call it the infantry
These kids are just jumping on the dead bodies to get attention because the grownups said it was okay.
Yes, González made a powerful demonstration of how terrible it is to be caught in a school shooting.
Something the right-wing can't hear often enough - given how much they ignore it.
But it would be a mistake to take the idea of that suffering and merge it with beliefs that we ought to adopt because of that suffering.
Only if you think inaction is warranted or that these kids should be consigned to always being at risk for such "suffering."
The policy proposals of gun control are not the equivalent of the Christian religion. The children happened to be caught, horribly, in a very bad place, but that was happenstance, not because of their belief in gun control.
It wasn't happenstance. It's predictably going to occur in our country and more often in the states that are represented by shills who take as much as regularly from the gun manufacturer's lobby (NRA) as Florida's do.
CarolynS you forgot "heterosexual"
I am so thoroughly, completely, totally, fucking, sick of these idiot children and the idea that everyone should bend to their uninformed wills, just because they had the misfortune to be involved in a school shooting. They have lost any sympathy that I had for them in the first place.
I'm sorry that your classmate was an insane person who didn't get any help from responsible adults that should have known better. It is a shame that the laws were not enforced and that this terrible thing happened to you. It wasn't my fault. It is NOT my problem.
Now. STFU. Get out of my face! Get over yourselves. Isn't your 5 minutes of fame up yet? Please go away.
If they don't stop soon, I'm going to wish bad things upon their uninformed passionate heads.
What a sick and inhuman thing to say.
As far as I'm concerned, these sentiments essentially enable the mass shootings. It's possible to enable mass shootings by going into the voting booth and rewarding politicians that are in hock to the gun manufacturer's lobby (NRA).
And then there are sentiments like these that in a very callous and sociopathic fashion essentially reveal that the speaker really does care more about their guns and the paranoia that stimulates their purchase than about the very lives taken by them.
It's sick beyond measure. A society (and nation) cannot survive when it is just run by the sociopaths. People will either learn to care about each other and their lives and well-beings or the maniacal paranoids like DBQ will keep marching us further down into a descent of detached and debased mass sociopathy and the end of the nation.
As far as I'm concerned, these sentiments essentially enable the mass shootings. It's possible to enable mass shootings by going into the voting booth and rewarding politicians that are in hock to the gun manufacturer's lobby (NRA).
And as far as I'm concerned, the root cause of mass shootings is people like you.
That's the behavior of assholes. One aspect about disputes or arguments between young adult men is that you always know (even if just in the back of your mind) that getting punched in the face is a possible outcome. That knowledge affects what you'll say and do, and that can be a good thing--certainly in terms of dispute resolution. When you know you can say anything and get away with it people tend to embrace their more asshole-ish tendencies. There's a LOT of that with these "survivors."
3/27/18, 4:16 PM
Immaturity goes hand in hand with these kind of people. Some grow out of it. Some never do.
What's a more horrifying proposition, leftists? The rather minuscule chance of being a victim in a school shooting, or the almost certainty that without guns, there would be a whole bunch of Anne Franks in hiding from a vicious leftist tyranny?
Heck, just yesterday a Democrat candidate for Sheriff promised to start shooting gun owners if elected... to the loud and rabid cheers of his audience.
How can we be "paranoid" when the left is constantly telling us how they want to kill us and round us up and execute us? Even here at Althouse we only had one--one!--leftist poster that expressed any sort of sadness or remorse over the Steve Scalise shooting which was conducted by a leftist for political purposes. Only one leftist poster here could bring themselves to say that shooting political opponents was a bad idea. And that poster has now left, but the ones like TTR who cheered it are still here calling us paranoid for noticing the left's massive gulag/Auschwitz fantasy they preach every day.
You call us paranoid? Please--every day you vicious leftist thugs loudly proclaim your intent to murder tens of millions of Americans. And then you are upset that said intended victims don't want to disarm.
And now you have proclaimed one of the very bullies that drove the Parkland shooter to his activities--you are in the process of canonizing one of the root causes of a school shooting.
By the way--isn't it ironic yet completely not surprising that many of these "Stop violence in schools!" protestors went and attacked, beat, assaulted, or otherwise inflicted violence on people who didn't agree with their "Confiscate all guns and jail everyone who's ever fired a weapon!" platform?
Blogger Kevin said...
Besides the fact that every election we hear that young voters are gong to decide everything.
And every election young voters decide to do something other than vote.
Thank God.
The Red Guards were only disbanded when Mao died.
The world may have looked to have been on the verge of a revolution in 1968 - seen through the eyes of a teenager. But those teens grew up and became part of the Althouse commentariat.
I love the “Heil Hog” video making the rounds.
What's a more horrifying proposition, leftists? The rather minuscule chance of being a victim in a school shooting, or the almost certainty that without guns, there would be a whole bunch of Anne Franks in hiding from a vicious leftist tyranny?
Genocide!
What delusion. I propose an experiment to free you from your magical thinking and introduce you to the facts.
Let the government face you (and every other one of the 100 million gun owners) down in as many battlefields of your choosing while it takes out its MOABs, F35s, ICBMs and every other component of its arsenal and we'll see who's keeping whom "free."
And BTW, if it's your disorganized militia-in-waiting that's really keeping us free and not all these service members of the standing armies and forces we've assembled then there's no need for any of them to go to Iraq or Afghanistan for several tours, return home, and request thanks for "keeping us free." Apparently it's the jack-offs like you hiding in the woods and stocking doomsday pantries all along that we owe our freedoms to.
Right.
Or else all of America would have been genocided.
Hilarious.
They don't glamorize the shooter, but they do glamorize the shooting. They create an electrical field around the event that causes everyone to become charged. Well and good, but I'm sure these force fields attract those without moorings, including the next shooter. The proper way to discourage these events is to mute the coverage of them. Let school suicides be the paradigm.
Whenever there is a slaughter perpetrated by a Muslim, we are told not to let this influence our judgment of Muslims. Whenever there is a mass shooting, we are asked to reflect on the utter depravity of the NRA and its members.
What makes people feel secure in their persons and property is not the presence or absence of firearms but the presence or absence of violent felons. I understand the people in Switzerland have lots of guns, but, as a rule, they don't seem particularly anxious about guns. In the West Indies Jamaica has some strict gun control laws, but lots of people in Trenchtown worry about an early death by gunshot......I think Japan has rigid gun control laws, but I think that if you tomorrow issued a Glock to every citizen over the age of twelve, there would not be a sudden influx of gun deaths.
Joan of Arc was convicted of heresy. By her lights she was a Christian and she was persecuted for adherence to her ideas of Christianity. Althouse is quite right.
Howard and Ritmo are still volunteering for the Red Guards but nobody answers the phone.
I think Japan has rigid gun control laws, but I think that if you tomorrow issued a Glock to every citizen over the age of twelve, there would not be a sudden influx of gun deaths
Principles matter. The progress of diversity and other "color" judgments has undermined a rational and reasonable assessment of character and predisposition.
You know what the difference is, Joan of Arc looks like she's dying for what she believes, the other one looks like she's going to kill someone for whatever reason is handy.
Howard said...
HoodyDoody: Not everyone is as brave as you are: the Marines are not for everyone.
3/27/18, 5:20 PM
Blogger Howard said...
Blogger Naimisha said... Sure, let's exploit the most ignorant, stupid, self-absorbed, amoral and generally vicious segment of any population - children.
That's why they call it the infantry
3/27/18, 7:23 PM
Howard: Not everyone is as brave as you are: the infantry is not for everyone.
These children are not rational. If they were, they would be looking to limit cars, not guns.
Consider: in 2008, there were 6428 fatalities involving 15-20 year old drivers. That's a Parkland massacre every single day that could be prevented if the driving age were raised to twenty one.
Source:
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/763ec3a4-5767-4b48-8f68-b2c8665c5c70/yngdrvbystate.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
On the weapon control front - check out Xhinhua (the Chinese state news agency) xinhuanet.com
The top article on the Xi-Kim meeting. Fascinating stuff. Its long and most diplomatic in that particular style, but my take on it is among other things, Kim is kowtowing to Xi, Kim is promising to make NK more like China, i.e. "socialism with Chinese characteristics", and it seems denuclearization is a high priority and a US, SK/NK summit is on as per Kims explicit statements.
Always remember, kids, that the Toothless State-fellator really doesn't have a problem with kids being shot down. His beloved State has done that routinely--and not just kids but adults as well . . . by the millions. It's only when private citizens are the shooters that he goes into fake high surgeon. When the shooters are agents of Big Brother, apparently he's fine with that since he keeps wanting to give Big Brother more power.
Or else he's just a loon; and you can make a pretty good case for that, too.
I meant "fake high dudgeon," not "fake high surgeon." Autocorrect is so goofy it's a wonder boneheads like Toothless and Inga aren't pushing it to be president.
Chickelit, thanks for alerting me to the "Heil Hogg" video. I looked it up on YouTube and just watched it. It's hilarious . . . although sad, given that the real-life audience in the footage is probably comprised of real-life young Ingas, TTRs and other lamebrains eager to drink the Pool-Aid.
I saw the pictures of David Hogg at the podium with his fist in the air and that tune from Sound of Music played in my head, "Tomorrow Belongs To Me." Looks like I'm not the only one.
The Toothless Revolutionary said...
“Or else all of America would have been genocided.
Hilarious.“
Leftists have murdered millions of people dozens of times over the last hundred or so years.
For every kid killed in a school shooting in the US lefty hero Fidel Castro killed thousands. Douche bag leftists still wear Che shirts. Che killed more people than rifles have in the US for at least several decades if not the last century.
We know you don’t actually care about facts or freedom. You want the US to be Cuba like little miss Emma proudly wearing her Cuban flag. You don’t believe a single word you say.
Another teenager who was not at the anti-gun rally,
According to a probable cause affidavit filed by The Palm Beach County police, 17-year-old Corey Johnson bought a knife last Sunday and brought it with him to a sleepover at longtime friend Kyle Bancroft’s house. At 4 a.m., he decided to kill Kyle’s mother, Elaine, his brother, Dane, and Dane’s friend, Jovanni Sierra Brand.
Johnson repeatedly stabbed Jovanni in his bed and slit his throat. Then he attempted to murder Elaine as she approached the boys’ bedrooms in response to Jio’s last gasps. Dane rescued his mom and sustained 32 stab wounds. Both were hospitalized and survived. Jio was buried last Friday — less than a week after celebrating his 13th birthday at a pizza party attended by Johnson.
Motove? Oh yes.
The accused killer told police he “stabbed the victims because of his Muslim faith,” watched videos of “Muslim jihadists” on his cellphone, and “was reading the Quran from his phone just prior to the attack to give him courage to carry out his intentions.”…
Not preventable ? Bolt out of the blue ?
In middle school, Johnson had reportedly stalked a student and sexually harassed her. She told school police. Nothing happened. He dabbled in white supremacy, anti-Semitism and gay-bashing, and then immersed himself in radical Islam — rising at 5 a.m. daily to pray and revere the Syrian flag. Johnson’s online jihad agitation, physical abuse and addiction to ISIS beheading videos prompted his sister in 2016 to confide in a school therapist, who contacted the local sheriff’s office.
Johnson’s mom, the sister told school officials, was in denial. The sister so feared for her life she slept with a knife under her bed.
Too bad he missed the rally in DC,.
"Douche bag leftists still wear Che t-shirts." I'm sure the Toothless State-fellator has a whole closetful of them; and the closet probably has a Mao poster on it. But remember that Che, Mao and other homicidal "progressive" heroes only killed Enemies of the People. Or at least that's what creatures like Toothless tell themselves so they can get to sleep at night.
Oh, please, Ann. You become uneasy when you're not in control of the counter-narrative, in terms of whatever "counter-x" in which you're currently engaged.
reader_iam
rcommal
lori
These children are not rational.
Children in general are not rational. They grow up in a scary world where mommy and daddy protect them from the monsters under their beds and in their closets.
And if they fail to grow up, they leave home and expect the government to take over for mommy and daddy.
Her vast sexually mixed up emotion is definitely the guiding light to change - just maybe not for the better
It’s kinda common to see Cuban flags in South Florida.
The Passion of Joan of Arc is amazing. I promise you, you have never seen anything like it.
They use the transcript from her actual trial, so there's an authenticity to the dialog and the story. But with his visuals Dreyer just goes to town. Amazing stuff. The faces in this movie will amaze you. One of the all-time great works of art. Check it out.
Politics has always been connected to religion, to the point there really is little distinction historically.
Jesus is the one who made the distinction. He was profoundly apolitical, in my opinion. The only authorities he bothers to speak to are religious authorities.
I think the call to non-violence is a specific Christian doctrine. It inspired both Gandhi and King.
On the other hand, going to the center of government to protest is not a Christian doctrine. The government keeps its power through violence and implicit violence. This is why governments have armies, and police.
Liberals who believe in non-violence should never call 911. And they should never hide away from street thugs and other violent actors. I think there's an implicit hypocrisy here. "I want the armed soldiers of the government to disarm other people for my own safety." Not a Christian concept at all. Christ calls on us to be non-violent, yes. But he also calls on us to confront evil and have no concern for our own safety. It's a radical concept, which is why many Christians believe violence is okay if sanctified by the government. But Christ never actually said that.
Joan of Arc was clearly schizophrenic. She claimed (probably truthfully) that she was hearing voices telling her what to do.
Today, those people are prescribed antipsychotic medications. They're patients, not saints.
I don't know how the Catholic Church can explain canonizing Joan of Arc to today's generation who know that mental illness is treatable.
Is there any way that the Catholic Church can retract its canonization of this mentally ill person?
From today's perspective, all these claims of all these religious figures from the Bible onward that they heard voices or saw visions should be taken with a grain of salt:
Ezekiel, Paul the Apostle, Joan of Arc, etc.
Today, we know that hearing voices or seeing visions have actual scientific-medical causes like epilepsy or schizophrenia. No religious explanations are required.
This is "fingers down the throat so I can throw up" bad.
Just to be clear about which side really threatens our liberty and freedoms--and about treating manipulated children as if they have useful opinions on complicated issues----
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings
"The Nazi book burnings were a campaign conducted by the German Student Union (the "DSt") to ceremonially burn books in Nazi Germany and Austria in the 1930s. The books targeted for burning were those viewed as being subversive or as representing ideologies opposed to Nazism. These included books written by Jewish, pacifist, religious, classical liberal, anarchist, socialist, and communist authors, among others.[1] The first books burned were those of Karl Marx and Karl Kautsky.[2]
In The Maltese Falcon, Sam Spade tells a brief story about a man he was hired to find. The man disappeared and when found by Sam was living essentially an identical life to that which he had abandoned. His job, wife, house, car were very like those he had in his earlier life. Sam finds out that the man was traumatized one day when a building girder falling from a construction site nearly hit him. If life was that unpredictable, what sense did it make to keep living it as he was? He decamped, leaving everything behind. After a few years, when building girders did not continue falling out of the sky at him, he settled down into a life like that he'd left.
One can be upset by any number of things, but people will revert to the norm of their existences if given an opportunity. This is why the Children's Crusade, organized by the antigun politicians and activists, should be shamed for their use and abuse of these poor traumatized kids.
mikee
But they're not. They are Dunning-Kruger writ large.
No one does what she did without a lot of training. Fake.
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