February 5, 2018

"The New York Times is asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents related to the wiretapping of Carter Page..."

Great!
Normally, even the existence of such material is a closely guarded secret.... But President Trump lowered the shield of secrecy surrounding such materials on Friday by declassifying the Republican memo about Mr. Page, after finding that the public interest in disclosing its contents outweighed any need to protect the information. Because Mr. Trump did so, the Times argues, there is no longer a justification “for the Page warrant orders and application materials to be withheld in their entirety,” and “disclosure would serve the public interest.”
This is basically what I was saying I wanted in "How to resolve the discrepancy of opinion over the Nunes memo" (February 3):
So, it seems, the question is whether it was significantly deceptive to give the FISA court enough information to make it possible for the court to infer that the information came from people who were biased against Trump but to withhold the known and specific information that it was paid for by the Democratic National Committee or the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign....

[E]xactly how was this general information phrased? The unnamed official in the WaPo article says there was "ample disclosure" — but how much disclosure was there?... I want to know exactly what the language was and how deceptive it may have been....
AND: Andrew McCarthy (at National Review) develops another angle: The question isn't so much whether Christopher Steele was trustworthy (given who paid him) but whether his sources were corroborated. It's not enough for the FBI and the Justice Department to trust the sources because Steele is trustworthy. Steele is another investigator, not the source of the information.
From everything we have heard thus far, the FBI did not corroborate Steele’s informants. Their inflammatory allegations about Trump are acknowledged to be “salacious and unverified.” According to the Nunes memo, FBI corroboration efforts were only in their “infancy” at the time the first warrant was sought, and they never yielded anything but “minimal” verification (which may be a charitable way of putting it)....

To justify a finding of probable cause, the government must satisfy the court as to the credibility of the informant who, it is claimed, witnessed the factual transactions described in the warrant. There is no vicarious credibility: The informant’s reliability cannot be shored up by the impeccable credentials of the investigative agent. The agent is not the witness; the informant is.

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Inga said...

“Inga, the memo was reviewed and validated by the FBI prior to it's release... The FBI did not have any issue or contention with that statement... Do you honestly think they would have let that slide if it wasn't true?
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I don’t think the FBI “validated” Nunes Memo:

“Now the FBI itself has weighed in against releasing the memo. On Wednesday, the FBI released a strongly worded statement expressing “grave concerns” about the memo’s accuracy:

The FBI takes seriously its obligations to the FISA Court and its compliance with procedures overseen by career professionals in the Department of Justice and the FBI. We are committed to working with the appropriate oversight entities to ensure the continuing integrity of the FISA process.

With regard to the House Intelligence Committee’s memorandum, the FBI was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.”

Mike Sylwester said...

So, now it turns out that Carter Page was an FBI employee, and the FISA warrant was just a fake excuse to wiretap all his communications and interactions on the Trump campaign staff.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/in-march-2016-carter-page-was-an-fbi-employee-in-october-2016-fbi-told-fisa-court-hes-a-spy/

!!!!!!!

Seeing Red said...

The FBI may have more problems.

I found this at Rantburg:

Prosecutors say witness testimony, audio and video evidence, plus bullet trajectory analysis yielded one conclusion: FBI agent W. Joseph Astarita lied about firing two shots at the truck of refuge occupation spokesman Robert "LaVoy" Finicum in 2016 after he swerved into a snowbank....

Fabi said...

Admiral Rogers is a hero.

Tim in Vermont said...

What is kind of amazing given all that we now know is how much Simpson left out in his testimony to Congress. Obvious stuff, like that an employee of his was married to a high ranking DoJ employee.

Steve Uhr said...

"Per the Nunes memo, it was the sworn testimony of former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe that the Steele Dirty Dossier may not have been the only evidence presented to the FISA Court, but that it was key and without it they would not have have obtained the warrant on Page"

Not quite. The memo says that McCabe "testified... that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA without the Steele dossier information."

It says the "information" in the dossier was key. The information came from other sources apart from the dossier. If McCabe had said the dosier was critical, why did Nunes add the word "information" at the end?

Also, why didn't Nunes quote McCabe's testimony on such a critical issue?

Night Owl said...

It would be shocking if it turns out that the fbi forced* Carter Page to spy against the Russians and then turned around and charged him with spying for the Russians, in order to spy on him!

This is all too ugly. The truth needs to come out.

 *I say forced because Page  was quoted in an article as saying "I never wanted to be a spy" and that the FBI had outed him.

Drago said...

Inga has moved away from her lies about Republicans not voting for the hilarious Nadler memo and has shifted to newer lies.

There are always new lies to move to.

Perhaps Schiff-ty told Inga that there were errors. Goodness knows he would never lie about anything...which is what embarrassed Inga earlier regarding the memo votes!

LOL

Tim in Vermont said...

Also, why didn't Nunes quote McCabe's testimony on such a critical issue?

Yeah. Release the transcript. As I have said before, the chips are piled high, people keep betting higher and higher, time to see some cards.

Seeing Red said...

Why was the State department using Steele as a middleman to the FBI, per York?


Why would a Brit care about a US election?

Seriously. What has MI6 been up to?

Inga said...

Drago, did you get washed out of the Navy on some mental issue?

Drago said...

Steve Uhr: "It says the "information" in the dossier was key. The information came from other sources apart from the dossier."

LOL

Yes, and one of those "other sources" was, and this is not a joke (well, it is, but in a different way), a Yahoo News story written by Michael Isikoff who got the story from.....Simpson at Fusion GPS!!

LOL

Circular story-planting to create the illusion of additional "sources" for the same non-sense story.

And now we find out that another "independent source" (LOL) was a "second dossier" which was fed by a Sydney Bluementhal/Hillary henchman who coordinated his own dossier with Steele and Simpson!!

Lots and lots of "independent" sources there!!

Michael K said...

Inga, showing her true self.

Good night.

Original Mike said...

”Also, why didn't Nunes quote McCabe's testimony on such a critical issue?”

Diane Feinstein was a hero when she released Glenn Simpson’s testimony. We need a Republican hero to release McCabe’s.

Drago said...

Inga: "Drago, did you get washed out of the Navy on some mental issue?"

I understand your lashing out with that.

Schiff-ty made you look mighty stupid on this thread today and you really have nothing else to fight with.

Mike Sylwester said...

Here's more on the idea that Carter Page was an FBI employee and that the FISA warrant was a fake justification for the FBI's surveillance of the Trump campaign.

Yesterday the blog Meaning in History posted an article titled "My Theory of the Carter Page FISA Fraud", which includes the following passage:

[quote]

.... I believe the FBI had already been engaged in extensive domestic spying on the Trump campaign, and they very much needed a FISA to justify this activity. If Trump were elected -- as now seemed to be at least possible -- and found out about this activity and called the FBI on it, they needed to be able to explain that their surveillance activities hadn't really been directed at him. The standard FISA coverage of Russian nationals obviously wouldn't work -- they needed a FISA on a US Person to explain why they had been surveilling so many Trump associates, all US Persons.

If they could get a FISA on Carter Page they could reply: It was all about Carter Page! Look, a judge even gave us a FISA warrant on that loser! And so the decision was made to do "it", to seek a FISA warrant on Carter Page.

Carter Page wasn't a perfect fit for this new role, because nobody who knew anything about CI matters would buy into the Carter Page-as-master-spy narrative, but he was as good as it could get in the time available -- he had the Russia connections at least.

So, the call went out to Christopher Steele, and maybe Fusion GPS: we need more "stuff" on Carter Page, ASAP. And between the August 16 meeting and October 21st, when they applied for and were given a FISA warrant on Carter Page, they got the stuff they needed. The record of continued contacts with Steele during this period offers some corroboration.

The Nunes memo states flatly that the dossier simply provided no basis for a FISA warrant. ....

All in all, this strategy probably seemed workable to the FBI at the time.

* How was the FBI to know at that point that the very day after the election Mike Rogers would spill the beans on all the surveillance to Trump?

* How were they to know that Hillary would double down on the Russia Hoax in the aftermath of "what happened," thus drawing more attention to the Carter Page FISA and the dossier?

It's a bit amusing in retrospect to see Comey frantically working both sides of the street: confiding in Trump that there's a dossier out there, but assuring him -- three times, no less! -- that he wasn't under investigation, while at the same time cooperating with the "resistance," leaking relentlessly against Trump. ...

[end quote]

http://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2018/02/my-theory-of-carter-page-fisa-fraud.html

Joshua Barker said...

So if Carter Page, the low-level no-body the FBI claimed was a Russian spy to justify it's application for a Title I FISA warrant (which was used to spy on Donald Trump during and after the election), was in-fact an FBI informant, then the FBI flat-out LIED to the FISA court. And by also using the fake Steele dossier (which they KNEW was was concocted and funded by Hillary Clinton and the DNC) they tricked the court into granting the warrant and illegally spied on a Presidential candidate in an effort to sway the election. It was an attempted soft-coup and is Treason. Everyone involved needs to be held accountable!

Drago said...

OM: "Diane Feinstein was a hero when she released Glenn Simpson’s testimony. We need a Republican hero to release McCabe’s"

We need a hero to release all FISA applications (unredacted and in their entirety) used by Hillary's minions in the FBI and DOJ.

Inga said...

Michael K,

It seems I have to explain to you as you once again don’t seem to grasp the situation. Drago seems incapeable of making a vomment (yes I meant vomment) without my name in it. I think it’s exceedingly odd, hence my question to him.

Drago said...

"Drago seems incapeable of making a vomment (yes I meant vomment) without my name in it."

That Schiff-ty sure made a lot of commenters on blogs such as this one look very stupid by having them buy into his obvious lies and repeating those lies uncritically.

Drago said...

Joshua Barker: "So if Carter Page, the low-level no-body the FBI claimed was a Russian spy to justify it's application for a Title I FISA warrant (which was used to spy on Donald Trump during and after the election), was in-fact an FBI informant, then the FBI flat-out LIED to the FISA court."

Correct.

The whole "Carter Page was under investigation in 2013" schtick was really an incident where Carter Page worked WITH the FBI to put away an actual Russian Agent.

Then Carter Page went on with his life and then, later on, he got involved in a campaign he either believed in, or thought could help him professionally, (most likely both) and Voila! His name is recognized and someone gets the bright idea that here is the perfect vehicle to construct an elaborate "Insurance Policy" around.

walter said...

Chuck said... I listen to Nunes and his colleagues and they are making eminently valid points, if they were political strategists. And they are making no sense, as investigators.
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Do tell..

Drago said...

Chuck said... I listen to Nunes and his colleagues and they are making eminently valid points, if they were political strategists. And they are making no sense, as investigators.

I'll have to screen which far left loony lefty networks/publications are using that talking point in order to identify LLR Chuck's primary viewing/reading habits.

Inga said...

“Schiff-ty made you look mighty stupid on this thread today and you really have nothing else to fight with.”

Drago, you really are a dummy sometimes. Schiff was correct. The HIC that day voted to release the D Memo within the HIC ONLY. They could’ve then released it externally within 24 to 48 hours. BUT they wanted the Nunes Memo to come out without the Democratic response to get idiots like you whipped up into a frenzy. I didn’t think it was worth the effort to argue with you as you seem to be in high dudgeon today.

Tim in Vermont said...

“We Caught ‘Em! “Did we catch them in the act or what? You know what I’m talking about. Oh did we catch them in the act! They are very embarrassed. They never thought they were going to be caught. We caught ’em… It’s so much fun. We’re like the great sleuth. - Trump tonight.

LOL, people keep pushing chips onto the table. Of course St Obama cannot be threatened in any way!

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The gift of St. Obama keeps on giving.

Kathryn51 said...

Night Owl said:

It was FBI informant Steele leaking to journalist Michael Isikoff that tipped everyone off about Carter Page being under surveillance

Isikoff says that a "senior intelligence official" confirmed (or corroborated?) that the FBI was investigating Page. I wonder - did Isikoff just start calling all o his "senior intelligence officer" contacts? Or, did Steele tell Isikoff the specific name that he should contact? Hmmmm . . .I think Bruce Ohr is in big trouble.

Joshua Barker said...

Carter Page is the smoking-gun... It's all gonna finally come out!!!

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Schiff is a leaking corruptocrat asshole.

Seeing Red said...

ZeroHedge via Rantburg:

...Adam Schiff is an owned hatchet man of Ukrainian arms dealer Igor Pasternak. Schiff’s anti-Russian narrative is carefully orchestrated by his Ukrainian handlers....

Inga said...

“You're up there, you've got half the room going totally crazy wild, they loved everything, they want to do something great for our country. And you have the other side even on positive news, really positive news like that, they were like death and un-American. Un-American.”

“Somebody said 'treasonous.' I mean, yeah, I guess, why not? Can we call that treason? Why not? I mean they certainly didn't seem to love our country very much.”

Donald Trump being Presidential. Too bad he doesn’t know that the oath of loyalty is to the Constitution, not to the President.

Drago said...

"The HIC that day voted to release the D Memo within the HIC ONLY. They could’ve then released it externally within 24 to 48 hours."

LOL

The dem memo followed PRECISELY the process the republican memo followed and the process prescribed by rules.

I'm so glad you doubled down on dumb...(not that we needed more proof).

Inga said...

“Carter Page is the smoking-gun... It's all gonna finally come out!!!”

4Chan material.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Hillary supporters have body odor and bad brains. Too bad. Losers.

Drago said...

"4Chan material."

Actually, Carter Page is the smoking gun is the primary democrat talking point.

So much so that talking heads on TV (and you on this blog just yesterday) are calling Carter Page a treasonous traitor......

And yet you never stop to wonder why it is that the FBI has never arrested or even charged him with anything.

Now how can that be one wonders....LOL.

Joshua Barker said...

Drago said...

Correct.

The whole "Carter Page was under investigation in 2013" schtick was really an incident where Carter Page worked WITH the FBI to put away an actual Russian Agent.

Then Carter Page went on with his life and then, later on, he got involved in a campaign he either believed in, or thought could help him professionally, (most likely both) and Voila! His name is recognized and someone gets the bright idea that here is the perfect vehicle to construct an elaborate "Insurance Policy" around.

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I actually think its much worse than that... I think the FBI MADE PAGE volunteer for the Trump campaign... So that they could then use him to subsequently get the FISA warrant... I think he was working for the FBI the WHOLE TIME!!!

Fabi said...

Bruce Ohr and his Fusion/GPS operative wife are in knee deep. There are good deals available for those who flip first. Do they really want to expend their life savings on defense lawyers?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

You are only allowed to do lucrative business with Russia if your name is Hillary Clinton.

Drago said...

And yes, now it comes out that Steve Uhr's "respectable" Mr Steele was coordinating between Hillary supporters and campaign folks along with Obama State Department people.

All evidence now points to the fact that foreign agent (Steele) is compiling Russian contact disinformation to compile and deliver to the dem's in the FBI to launch a domestic spying regime against a domestic political opponent while constructing a "Frame" up job on that same political opponent.

The FBI used a document that they knew (and later admitted under oath) was salacious and unverified to launch an East German-like OP against political opponents.

The good news is that the republicans did not listen to their deep state affiliated leaders and started these multiple committee (House Intel, House Judiciary, Senate Judiciary) investigations early enough in this Congressional term whose results will marry up nicely with IG Horowitz' report due this month.

This is all going to come out now that the cat is out of the bag.

I would love to hear the strategization meetings about when to declassify and release the FISA Warrant applications which will document the reality of what the FBI Hillary slugs did.

FullMoon said...

From Daily caller.http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/04/fusion-gps-ohr/

"The financial arrangement between Mrs. Ohr and Fusion GPS gives the appearance of government-for-hire," said Tom Anderson, an ethics expert at the conservative-leaning watchdog group the National Legal and Policy Center. It "appears to be a sophisticated scheme to get access to the highest levels of our government... ensuring the use of government resources in an attempt to influence an election."

Michael K said...

This stuff is kind of amusing until you think of the legal bills these people are incurring with no valid reason.

I would like to see some civil suits against the FBI abusers for damages in five figures.

Paul said...

I think some FBI agents have some explaining to do. High up FBI agents, like Comey.

For if it was all an unverified lie, a lie used to get a wiretap, then perjury is the least of their worries.

Drago said...

Even Isikoff can't believe the FBI used his Yahoo story in a circular way to help justify a FISA warrant against Carter Page!

LOL

And surprised he should be.

We have absolute confirmation that Steele was put in front of reporters by Simpson at FUSION GPS and those reporters created "stories" that "corroborated" the Fusion/Simpson/Steele hoax dossier!

The only thing any of us can say is that the sloppiness and Keystone Kops aspects of this indicate that the dems in the deep state simply thought they would never be caught because not even *** would be that moronically incompetent.

Tim in Vermont said...

Bruce Ohr and his Fusion/GPS operative wife are in knee deep.

I wonder if McCabe’s wife spent the whole $750K on her campaign for state senate, the kind of election that usually consists of a few bumper stickers and yard signs. Or do you think that’s fattening up their retirement?

Drago said...

Michael K: "I would like to see some civil suits against the FBI abusers for damages in five figures."

There are now multiple "rumblings" reports that Michael Flynn is going to withdraw his guilty plea based on all the leaked info and now that Obama's piece of s*** judge that was overseeing the Flynn case and who was ALSO one of the FISA judges (yes, it's all that incestuous with the lefties) had to recuse himself (the heat is on) its becoming pretty clear why Mueller and his team of lefty/dem legal hitmen and women decided, wisely, to "postpone" the Flynn sentencing hearing.

Night Owl said...

It's poetic justice that Steele's leak about Page, which the media idiots eagerly ran with in an attempt to smear Trump, is biting the FBI on its ass.

Drago said...

It also looks like that "key footnote" does not include Steele's name, the Hillary/DNC funding, the connection with Fusion GPS, etc.

None of it.

But once the warrants come out the left won't be able to hide behind the wall of secrecy for their spinning.

Darrell said...

Remember, none of this would have seen the light of day if Hillary won the election.
Thank you, God.

Original Mike said...

”But once the warrants come out the left won't be able to hide behind the wall of secrecy for their spinning.”

Who’s going to file those warrants?

Tim in Vermont said...

In January 2017, Michael E. Horowitz, Inspector General of the Department of Justice, announced he would be looking into whether McCabe should have been recused from the Hillary Clinton email case. - The Heavy

Since McCabe’s wife has dropped out of politics, makes you wonder where the money goes now?

https://heavy.com/news/2017/05/andrew-mccabe-fbi-wife-jill-politican-campaign-hillary-clinton-donation-children-kids/

Fabi said...

Jill McCabe dropped out of politics as quickly as she dropped in. I hope she kept really good records of her campaign expenditures.

Tim in Vermont said...

Thank you, God.

In His infinite wisdom He rewarded Pennsylvania, which overcame the margin of Philly phraud, with a Super Bowl win.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Like Tim, I'm starting to think it's that disgusting toad Sidney Blumenthal who is at the bottom of the Steele dossier.

Original Mike said...

A while back I heard a radio report that in Virginia candidates get to keep unused campaign funds. Don’t know if it’s true.

exiledonmainstreet said...

In His infinite wisdom He rewarded Pennsylvania, which overcame the margin of Philly phraud, with a Super Bowl win.

2/5/18, 8:39 PM

And punished the heathens of Massachusetts!

Maybe that's why the Dodgers lost to the Astros as well. LA's sins brought down the wrath of the Lord! :)

exiledonmainstreet said...

Carter Page will be on Laura Ingraham's show tonight. Should be interesting.

MaxedOutMama said...

Yes, we should see the whole thing. But can we? Aren't the identities of informants inherently protected?

Okay, maybe in this case they should not be, but it is difficult to make an exception in one case and not place others at risk.

So I don't think we can get all the information. It would be good to get as much as possible - the American public is capable of reading the released apps and forming their own opinions. I don't think those opinions will be very favorable to the whole FISA process, though. And perhaps that is one reason many didn't want this story even publicly discussed.

Darrell said...

Russia diagnosed Carter Page with a Plutonium deficiency as soon as there spy team was in FBI custody in 2014. They still have that wonderful free health care of the old Soviet system. The only place he had value was to the FBI for procuring FISA warrants. Page will keep up the facade, though, on the Ingraham show. He's fishing for a civil suit payday for himself for being declared the most wanted foreign spy by the FBI.

Tim in Vermont said...

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Ever wonder what happens to extra campaign funds once the election is over?

The candidate committees in this year’s statewide races still had millions of dollars leftover at the end of October, according to the Virginia Public Access Project. Final expenses and staffer paychecks will drain much of that — but probably not all.

Legally, lots of things can happen to that money, including spending it for personal use, so long as that committee isn’t closing its account yet, thanks to Virginia’s lax campaign finance laws. That loophole became all-too clear when word broke that First Lady Maureen McDonnell had legally used money from Gov. Bob McDonnell’s political action committee for a shopping spree.
. - Townhall.com

BUMBLE BEE said...

By the way... Where is Barack??

Original Mike said...

Surely some enterprising reporter wants to know what happened to the McCabe campaign funds.

Drago said...

Original Mike: "A while back I heard a radio report that in Virginia candidates get to keep unused campaign funds. Don’t know if it’s true."

If you are a dem and a Hillary connected FBI guy, who would prosecute you?

No one.

MaxedOutMama said...

The fact that Carter Page was used as an FBI witness in a trial over a Russian agent in March 2016 (he had been used by the FBI as an undercover agent in 2013) and then in late 2016 was the target of a FISA warrant on suspicion of being a Russian agent is astonishing. And it does seem to be verified.

If this is true, doesn't the Russian deserve a new trial or something? Can you even do this?

This looks worse every week.

exiledonmainstreet said...

I will note that if a person sincerely wants to do a "public service" he or she volunteers at the hospital, or the rescue mission, or teaches an adult to read. Writing silly comments on a blog is not public service by anybody's definition but Inga's.

Inga said...

“Writing silly comments on a blog is not public service by anybody's definition but Inga's.”

That was a joke, you idiot. I worked in hospitals for 35 years, now I administer to you sickos here. Also a joke.

Inga said...

Speaking of funny, I’m watching FOX, ( shudder) but Carter Page has not yet admitted to being an FBI employee. LOL.

MaxedOutMama said...

This is from the Justice website:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/evgeny-buryakov-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-connection-conspiracy-work
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices. Sporyshev then took the binders to, among other places, the Residentura.

Carter Page was UCE-1.

In 2017 the NY Times prints this,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/politics/carter-page-trump-russia.html

which makes it sound like the secretly recorded Russian conversations provided evidence that would support suspicion of Carter Page - but Carter Page was working for the FBI. The only source that would have given the NYT that information could be the FBI.

This is about as low as one could go, and I think throws the FISA court applications into a terrible light.

Inga said...

Why didn’t Ingraham ask Page if he worked for the FBI? Maybe even she thinks it’s ludicrous.

FullMoon said...

Why didn’t Ingraham ask Page if he worked for the FBI? Maybe even she thinks it’s ludicrous.
That's classified, duh !

Howard said...

You people still really think something real and significant is gwan to happen at the end of this kerfuffle. That's precious.

walter said...

You people!

Benjamin Halstrom said...

walter said...
You people!


Germans. Nothing changes.

Joshua Barker said...

Why didn’t Ingraham ask Page if he worked for the FBI? Maybe even she thinks it’s ludicrous.

2/5/18, 9:40 PM

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maybe because this just came out and she doesn't know about it yet...

Drago said...

Howard: "You people still really think something real and significant is gwan to happen at the end of this kerfuffle"

Something real has already happened and continues to haopen regarding continued expisure of how the govt was weaponized.

Further, something real has certainly happened to Comey, McCabe, Preistap, Rybicki, Strzok, Page, Ohr and others.

Now, whether anything further happens to them or to additional individuals who remain to be identified, well, the cynic in me is certainly running my internal expectations show.




WascallyRobert said...

I want to know if making the representation(s) to the FISA court was considered to be or actually under oath.

Drago said...

Btw, did Inga contact the FBI when Page showed up on the Ingraham Show?

I mean, here is the guy Inga told us is absolutely a russian agent and treasonous traitor (who the FBI apparently "forgot" to charge with crimes) hiding out, cleverly I might add, in plain sight on a TV Show, juat waiting to be apprehended!

Inga said...

Drago doesn’t consider that Page might just be cooperating with Mueller at this point. But to think this dope was working for the FBI during the time he was connected to the Trump campaign....OMG, funny.

Lucien said...

I just read an indicative timeline of the whole mess over at Forbes. Hopefully it turns out to be false, because if it’s true - ugh.

Regardless of the timeline’s veracity, it does seem to explain something I never understood. Why, in Obama’s last month in office, did he change the rules on unmasking Americans and broaden the information sharing across the government relating to that unmasking? Why would Obama make that kind of significant change in intelligence procedures in the last month of his 96 months in office, after the election was over and while on his way out the door?

I no longer wonder why.

MPH said...

Andrew McCarthy continues to falsely claim that James Comey called the entire dossier ”salacious and unverified.” That’s simply not true.

Joshua Barker said...

Drago doesn’t consider that Page might just be cooperating with Mueller at this point. But to think this dope was working for the FBI during the time he was connected to the Trump campaign....OMG, funny.

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Inga, Page was a god-damn operative.. an inside-man who was working for the FBI from 2013 - 2016... HE WAS NOT A RUSSIAN SPY!!! And the FBI KNEW THIS, and yet used his cover, along with the dossier, WHICH THEY ALSO KNEW WAS PHONY, to apply for the Title I FISA warrant, for the SOLE PURPOSE of spying on Trump's Presidential campaign, in the hopes of finding ANYTHING they could use to bring him down. THE FBI LIED TO THE FISA COURT!!!!

You can't fucking spin this... The WHOLE THING was a deep-state op from the beginning, and YOUR SIDE broke the fucking law... BIGELY!

Mike Sylwester said...
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Mike Sylwester said...

A blog called meaning in history is written anonymously, but according to Scott Johnson of the Power Line blog, the first blog's author is "a former FBI agent".

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/paging-carter-page.php

The former FBI agent has posted in his own blog an article titled "My Theory of the Carter Page FISA Fraud".

http://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2018/02/my-theory-of-carter-page-fisa-fraud.html

The former FBI agent's article speculates about the "insurance policy" mentioned by Peter Strzok in a text message on August 16, 2016.

The "insurance policy" was Carter Page.

If Donald Trump won the election and subsequently became informed that the FBI had wire-tapped Trump's campaign staff, then the FBI would explain that it had been wire-tapping Page, not the campaign staff per se.

[quote, emphasis added]

... Carter Page was mentioned in the dossier reports, but not as prominently, in the early reports. After his July 7, 2016, trip to Moscow he gained in prominence in the reporting, but a perusal of the dossier indicates that the reporting on Carter Page really takes off in September to October -- after the mid-August strategy session in "Andy's office." ...

The clear intent of the insurance policy was to insure against an event: the election of Donald Trump as President ... to protect the FBI ....

I believe the FBI had already been engaged in extensive domestic spying on the Trump campaign, and they very much needed a FISA to justify this activity. If Trump were elected ... and found out about this activity ... they needed to be able to explain that their surveillance activities hadn't really been directed at him. ... They needed a FISA on a US Person to explain why they had been surveilling so many Trump associates ...

And so the decision was made ... to seek a FISA warrant on Carter Page. ... He was as good as it [DOJ/FBI] could get in the time available -- he had the Russia connections at least.

So, the call went out to Christopher Steele, and maybe Fusion GPS: we need more "stuff" on Carter Page, ASAP. And between the August 16 meeting and October 21st, when they applied for and were given a FISA warrant on Carter Page, they got the stuff they needed. ...

[end quote]

Achilles said...

Watching the news this week has been awesome. While it is a bit frustrating having traitors like Inga walking around and yapp-yapping Just think about the shear number of things the leftists have been wrong about over the last year. The traitors were convinced they were going to get Trump tomorrow or the next day. Now we don't even hear about Russian Collusion anymore.

What actually happened is going to come out. Obama has been spying on political opponents wholesale at least since the Iran deal.

Moving Page from Title VII to Title I allowed the FBI to go through all of his communications as well as the communications of everyone he communicated with. Pa.st, present, and future

"Insurance" was merely covering for previous illegal spying activity. Trump wasn't the only Republican Obama spied on. There are a whole pile of reporters Obama spied on.

The best part is Trump is going to pound the traitors with this for the next three years. He is going to slowly release and dribble this information. The NYT figured this out. They don't want it out, but they would rather have it out all at once than what is going to happen.

Mike Sylwester said...

Following up my comment at 12:15 AM

Having read the comments in the meaning in history blog, I now understand that that blog's author is a former FBI agent named Mark Wauck.

The comments there include a comment by our Yancey Ward about the significance of Steele' mistake about Michael Cohen traveling to Prague. I agree with Yancey's reasoning.

Here, however, I want to highlight another comment, written by MikeN, about the Cohen mistake.

[quote]

The week of the warrant [the FISA warrant against Page on October 21, 2016], including the day before [October 20], Steele files a report 'confirming' Page's meeting in Moscow. Now Trump lawyer Michael Cohen is added to the mix. ...

So days before applying for the [FISA] warrant [against Page], they [DOJ/FBI] decided to add Michael Cohen to give more weight to the scheme. Someone had to look at a database to find travel info for Michael Cohen with the same birthday to give Steele the details of the meeting. The plan was for FBI agents to then validate this info by confirming Cohen went to Prague at that time(and presumably verifying the other party in the meeting was there) ...

Now when they [the DOJ/FBI verifiers] did it [verified Cohen's trip to Prague], they should have found out, no, [Trump's lawyer] Michael Cohen did not make this trip, and alerted them [the DOJ/FBI leadership] that the whole dossier is a setup after seeing a different Michael Cohen making that trip. ...

[end quote]

http://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2018/02/my-theory-of-carter-page-fisa-fraud.html

Bruce Hayden said...

My bet is Steele's source is Sidney Blumenthal, former employee of and then contractor to the Clinton Foundation.
later...
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The Steele dossier was only added to the FISA warrant application 
later...
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The Steel Dossier was created and used because they had previously tried and FAILED to get a Title I FISA warrant... From what I understand, Page had previously been under Title VII surveillance, but upgrading him to Title I allowed the government to gain access to ANYONE he had ever had contact with... Which means that WITHOUT the fabricated dossier, the government would never have had any ability to spy on Trump, who was the ultimate target...


There is something going on that we don't know yet. A lot of hypotheses, but not a lot of facts. So far, what little that has been verified is that the FBI and DoJ got a FISA Title I warrant to electronically surveil Carter Page (and three 90 day extensions) using the Steele Dossier funded by the DNC and Crooked Hillary campaign through their attys Perkins Coie. And that it was corroborated by a journalist who also got his info from Steele. And, the Senate has sent a criminal referral to the DoJ for Steele. But so what? I am not questioning that these agencies essentially broke the law there, but to what purpose? Page had little connection to the Trump campaign, and none to his transition. I have read FISA, and had a good understanding of Title I, from when GW Bush was pushing its limits when trying to track down OBL, al Quaeda, and the Taliban. It hasn't changed much, and as I read it, a Title I Page warrant doesn't buy much in the way of wiretap authority with anyone not on the phone, at the time, with Page. I just don't see it being capable of bootstrapping wiretap authority of Trump Tower and esp of people he never really met. Something going on here that we can't see yet to make this a big deal, big enough that 3 Deputy AGs, and the FBI Director may have committed crimes to get the warrant and 3 extensions. I have little doubt that Reps Nunes and Gowdy, plus probably Speaker Ryan, plus Sens Grassly and Graham most likely know what is going on, the big deal, but much of it remains classified, and some was kept out of their hands for 4-5 months until Ryan showed a willingness to cite the agencies for contempt of Congress last month.

The only thing that currently makes sense is that the Title I wiretap order for Carter Page could have been possibly used to bootstrap Title VII searches of the Trump campaign and transition team. We do know that the Obama White House was doing an awful lot of unmaskings throughout the fall, and up to the Inauguration, and that AG Lynch greatly relaxed the sharing of this information during this time span.

We shall see.

Bruce Hayden said...

Schiff is an owned hatchet man of Ukrainian arms dealer Igor Pasternak. Schiff’s anti-Russian narrative is carefully orchestrated by his Ukrainian handlers....

Maybe more relevant, Adam Schiff's sister, Melissa, was apparently married to the son of George Soros.

https://www.usapoliticstoday.org/adam-schiffs-ties-george-soros/

The report that Democrat Adam Schiff’s sister was married to George Soros’ son was a shocker but then it all made sense. The far left and the Deep State are all intertwined in an incestuous relationship. The marriage of Schiff’s sister to Soros’ son is a perfect example:

As it turns out, George Soros was instrumental in helping fund Schiff’s political career. Schiff was bankrolled by Soros organization MoveOn.org:

Breitbart News reports:

Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, was previously financially aided by the George Soros-financed MoveOn.org to win his Congressional seat.


Which explains, at least to me, a lot of why he does what he does. Why he leaks like a sieve, and always puts partisan politics above national security.

Tim in Vermont said...

It makes a lot more sense how they used Page for the warrant if you think about the fact that they assumed that no-one would ever find out.

Tim in Vermont said...

Blumenthal was always on the edge of the intelligence community, Hillary’s liaison to that world, paid by charitable donations, like those of Putin, to her foundation.

Night Owl said...

I agree with Bruce that some things don't add up. In the fall of 2016 Steele leaked the information about Page's surveillance to the media. So unless Trump and his team were morons, none of them would have anything to do with Page from that point on. Neither would any Russians. So what information would the fbi hope to gain from continuing to surveil Page once their secrecy was lost?  Why did the courts keep approving the warrants well into 2017? How wide a net did that warrant give them?

These people have some splainin' to do.

Night Owl said...

It's hard to believe that the fisa court judges read the dossier, noted the salaciousness of it and didn't have some question as to its veracity. No media outlet except buzzfeed would touch it, but the judges accepted it. When I heard about the bed pissing story I laughed at the ridiculousness of it.

If the dossier had claimed that Trump watched the gorilla channel for 14 hours a day would the fisa court judges have thought,"that sounds plausible". Who are these judges?

AReasonableMan said...

The Nunes Memo Was A Dud And The Trump Apologia Is Pathetic

Matthew Sablan said...

Thus far isn't the only verified part of the dossier that Page went to Russia when public documents say he did?

Curious George said...

Inga said...
If the Republicans would’ve voted no, they’d look pretty damn bad, they knew that. They get no credit for doing what they were forced to.

2/5/18, 5:20 PM
Blogger Inga said...
They voted no, last time it was voted on.

Our resident dullard $IngaKnew has once again displayes her idiocy here on Althouse. The GOP has twice approved memos to be shown to the House in total, and then off to Trump. They approved their memo and then the Democratic memo.

The Democrats on the other hand voted NAY on the GOP memo but then like our resident dullard cried foul even though the GOP voted Aye on theirs.

So #IngaKnew, what's that say about the DNC, voting nay on the GOP? In advance of your answer, to save all the rest of us the time, here is our rebuttal.

AReasonableMan said...

Well, Well, Well: Nunes Admits The Partisan Origins Of The Dossier *Had* Been Disclosed After All

Matthew Sablan said...

No. By new said there was a footnote about a political connection to the dossier. He did not say that the report said Clinton paid for it and Steele was being paid to undermine Trump.

AReasonableMan said...

Is The Nunes Memo Backfiring?

Matthew Sablan said...

Remember. We knew the FBI said there was a US political person that funded it. Just at the time everyone was led to believe Republicans paid for the dossier. Nadler's memo still makes that error. Without explicitly stating who paid for it the FBI deliberately made it look like Trump's allied funded it. Not his enemies.

AReasonableMan said...

Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

Curious George said...

"AReasonableMan said...
Well, Well, Well: Nunes Admits The Partisan Origins Of The Dossier *Had* Been Disclosed After All"

You're a little late to the party ARM. This was discussed hours ago...the footnote did not say that it was the Clinton campaign that paid for the dossier. Fail.

And sad.

Matthew Sablan said...

Seeing as the memo got the NYT to finally request the primary sources, the memo succeeded.

Curious George said...

ARM, repeating the same stupid opinion three times doesn't make it any less dumb. It does show that the left, and assholes like you, are inherently dishonest.

Matthew Sablan said...

It is journalistic malpractice to create a headline like that to appear Nunes said a quote if he didn't. Is that an actual quote?

Curious George said...

This is the same idiocy our resident dullard $IngaKnew was peddling last night. Of course you both are incapable of original thought and are just regurgitating the lefty talking points. But really, SAD.

Tim in Vermont said...
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Tim in Vermont said...

Like I said, ARM is a pro-Trump bot making weakened arguments in order to strengthen resistance to any actual real anti-Trump arguments that come along. It’s like putting the golden showers thing in the dossier weakens the whole thing. Also, writing it in the style of Boris and Natasha. It’s possible that we have such weak ass opposition here that we are getting a skewed idea about the whole thing.

I kind of doubt it. Every time somebody comes in as the thundering voice of reason to knock down some argument against the collusion narrative, it turns out that they had omitted relevant facts, omitting confusing facts, stuff that doesn’t align properly with their narrative, allows them to feel more certain. Let’s call it “Inga’s Razor.”

Matthew Sablan said...

I just read McCarthy's takedown of the Nadler memo. Interesting that most of his issues with it are fundamental and not quibbling over whether Comey saying a part of a thing had a characteristic means the whole thing shares that characteristic or that a footnote saying there may be bias is the same as revealing that bias.

Tim in Vermont said...

Really smart people, apparently, have the ability to shut out facts from their mind that distract them from their pre-conceived conclusions!

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

ARm - wrong. The FISA court was not told that the Dossier was paid for by the Clinton Campaign.

Douglas said...

What surprises me is that the media and twitter are pretty much ignoring McCarthy's article, which is quite strong. The only response I've seen is by Orin Kerr, and IMHO, he didn't succeed in rebutting McCarthy. For a while now, I've thought the chain hearsay problem was a the biggest weakness in the Steele dossier. The fact is that the witnesses referenced in the Steele dossier can never and will never be verified, even if by some miracle they were ever identified, because they are all Russians living far outside of US legal process. They will never testify in the US under oath and cross examination and without that, the Steele dosser is a big nothing.

Drago said...

ARM: "Well, Well, Well: Nunes Admits The Partisan Origins Of The Dossier *Had* Been Disclosed After All"

LOL

That must have been a neat trick given these following words were not included in the footnote: "Hillary Clinton", "DNC", "Clinton Campaign", "Fusion GPS", "Steele", "Perkins-Coie", "Glenn Simpson", "Sydney Bluementhal", "Cody Shearer", "Nellie Ohr"...

How much do you want to bet that the FISA judge who signed off on the warrant without EVER asking for any details about the political nature of the hoax dossier was named "Contrereas"?

If you are wondering if that was the same judge who just so happened, gee whiz what a coincidence!, to the Flynn case, you would be correct.

And if you are wondering if you had heard that "suddenly", just 2 weeks ago when all this info started leaking out that Contrereas had been forcibly recused from the Flynn case, congratulations! You are correct again!

And if you then heard that the Mueller team "suddenly" (very suddenly in fact) had requested a postponement in the sentencing of Michael Flynn, well, congratulations again!

You are correct.

My my.

Such interesting goings-on....

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