I'm skeptical about this report because a military parade would be a gargantuan persuasion error. Bad optics. Smells wrong. https://t.co/Xk8MKUBN5Z
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) February 6, 2018
Exclusive: At Trump’s direction, Pentagon is planning large-scale military parade inspired by France's Bastille Day celebration https://t.co/odLVTjNskj
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) February 6, 2018
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Can we have it on May 1?
And Rosenstein was going to resign.
I'll wait to pass judgement until we've got something more solid. If true, seems a bad idea.
I like it. No half measures. The full Kim.
Is there a named source attached to the report? If not, this article is only rumor and gossip.
"Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...
I like it. No half measures. The full Kim."
High bar. No one parties like the Norks!
I watched the National Victory Parade at a spot near 21st and Constitution Ave. Best parade I've ever seen. Let's do it again on Memorial Day or the Fourth of July.
So the sources say they'll tell them more when firm details are finalized and that they don't even have a date, yet it is being reported as a done deal that it will be a jingoistic North Korean esque propaganda tour? It is almost like the WaPo feels it has to goose its own stories.
And I say again:
Any of you people consider what a royal pain in the ass a military parade is for the poor suckers who have to march in it?
This is fantasy concocted for the benefit of Post readers. Click here for more details.
Details of the meeting, including who attended and Trump quotes (i.e. all the sinister stuff), are attributed to "an unnamed military official".
The B-2 flying over the Rose Parade is surprisingly awe-inspiring in person.
Is there a rule against military parades?
Following Matthew Sablan, I too suspect the truth is more like Trump asked about something like it, or suggested someone look into it, and it's reported as a commanded done deal.
He floated the idea.
...are attributed to "an unnamed military official".
General Halftrack?
Lt. Scheisskopf in Catch-22 had secret plans to win the big parade contest.
All his friends wondered what it was. "I wonder what shithead is up to."
I Love a Parade! - Boston Gay Men's Chorus
They will need special boots to protect their heels in sympathy for the Chief.
Well, why not. The cheese eating surrender monkeys (aka the French) apparently still have this sort of parade, so why not this country, with a far bigger and more powerful military? I can't remember the last large scale military parade in this country. I do remember mostly working class draftees returning from Vietnam being spat upon by college kids with either 2S deferments or double X chromosomes. I say, why not? Have a military tray parade in late summer or early fall when Congress is around, and maybe we can go into the next election with a better understanding of which members are patriotic, and which are far from it. It is one thing to dis the President at the SOTU. Quite another to do so to our military, serving in harms' way around the world to keep us safe here. This is something that a lot of Trump's base would love ve, and esp more when progressive heads start exploding.
Funny that ARM immediately jumps to the Kim Jong-un comparisons when the actual inspiration came from a parade that Trump attended last year in France with Macron and his wife.
@ Curious George
Right idea, wrong song:
North Korea Party Rock Anthem ft. Kim Jong Il
LMFAO!
Ari Fleicher tweeted something I agreed with. Intellectuals and elites will be horrified at a military parade. The rest of the country -- probably 75% of the people -- will love it. I love the pomp and circumstance and I love seeing the power and might of our military. Most of the country love celebrating the women and men of the armed forces.
In fact, my husband and I just discussed bringing our three young kids to Washington to see it if it actually happens. Would be a wonderful time.
Bruce Hayden said...
I can't remember the last large scale military parade in this country.
June 8, 1991
"National Victory Celebration Parade Bands played, troops marched, flags flew and military weaponry and equipment rolled down Constitution Avenue during the $12 million National Victory Celebration Parade in Washington, DC. The parade, marching before a reviewing stand where the president, vice-president, members of the Cabinet and their spouses watched the proceedings, was the main event in the National Victory Celebration marking the victory of the Persian Gulf war. Stealth bombers, Patriot missiles, tanks, and other military hardware were featured in the parade, as were hundreds of troops from the war. A huge crowd applauded the weapons and troops as they passed down Constitution Avenue. Narration was provided for the parade by Major General Streeter, commanding general for the military district of Washington, and Willard Scott, weatherman and television personality
France's Bastille Day parade is pretty fabulous. I can see why Trump would want to emulate it.
Not only does he want to make America great again but he wants everyone to celebrate it.
Of course the usual haters and malcontents would cry about it. That's what they do.
Bruce Hayden said...
I do remember mostly working class draftees returning from Vietnam being spat upon by college kids with either 2S deferments or double X chromosomes.
I arrived back through SFO in San Francisco. It WAS UNPLEASANT
Cookie won't like this. Not at all.
Back in 1970 when I served it was fashionable on the left to refer to military personnel as "baby killers". Funny how they don't refer to the real baby killers (abortionists) that way today.
If we had an anthem like Le Marseillaise we’d parade a lot more.
Is there a named source?
“White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement that Trump had asked the Defense Department to "explore" the idea.
“President Trump is incredibly supportive of America's great servicemembers who risk their lives every day to keep our country safe. He has asked the Department of Defense to explore a celebration at which all Americans can show their appreciation," Sanders said.
Why is everyone around here so skeptical and negative about our Patriotic President’s ideas?
It's amazing to me how easily Trump is able to distract the Resistance with rumors.
It's also somewhat surprising that the Left hasn't figured this out yet.
Any of you people consider what a royal pain in the ass a military parade is for the poor suckers who have to march in it?
Having been in the army, and more than a few parades, yes I do know what a pain in the ass it is.
Military parades seem too much like a trope of totalitarian regime to me optics-wise. I mean... yeah, I love the military and martial displays as much as the next conservative and I love the fact that it'd undoubtedly drive the usual suspects into stratospheric hysterics, but I don't like the unfortunate associations military parades have with repressive dictators and tyrants. I don't think this is such a hot idea. But I've been wrong about so much when it comes to optics I just don't know anymore.
I can recall as a child when Armed Forces Day, in mid-May, was a significant holiday, with military parades and open houses at military bases. When I was about 5 years old - probably in 1956 - we lived in my dad's home town of Albany, GA, which had both Turner Air Force Base, then a SAC facility, and a large US Marine Corps supply depot. I can remember going downtown on a beautiful Saturday morning for a parade, with marching marines, tanks, APCs, bands, etc. I have a very good memory of it. After lunch at our favorite hamburger joint we went for tours at the air base and the Marine depot. I recall big aircraft - I think B-52s - and my brother and I crawling over tanks and APCs at the Marine depot. I wish I lived near a military base now and that we still had these celebrations, would love to take the grandkids. Great memories.
That has to be a parody.
Maybe these are the guys who inspired Trump:
Légion étrangère
Of course ARM goes right to comparisons with North Korea. His poor, addled brain can't comprehend the fact that those oh-so-cultured French have military parades every year. As reported, that was the inspiration for Trump's comment, and personally, I think it's a good idea. But to Leftists or self-proclaimed (but completely disingenuous) "moderates", it is the epitome of a dictatorship.
Well, go ask Macron how he likes being a dictator.
When I was stationed at Ft Bragg NC with the 82nd Airborne Division, we loved to do parades. We took great pride in our appearance. Busted starch that day, every spot on our jump boots were spit shined, our uniforms were immaculate, and we marched with pride, and in step.
Not sure about the troops these days. It might end up being an embarrassment, and you know the troops that I'm talking about.
Trump’s idea to make America more like France is brilliant — isn’t that the country that invented Freedom Fries?
If we had an anthem like Le Marseillaise we’d parade a lot more.
C'est vrai!
This comes from the WaPoo so it could just be fake news.
This is just terrible. The comparison will not be with Bastille Day in France but with Victory Day in Russia,
Yes keep following the squirrel:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/06/senior-level-corruption-can-affect-entire-government-agencies
If the Proles wake up in the morning and don't have something new to hate about him, what will they do?
Seriously, the editors of the NYT were assured he'd be impeached by now and they're duty bound to keep this up until he is.
Let's give them a hand for continuing to find creative rumors to stretch into news. Especially since it's been quite a while since Comey could plausibly leak inside info to them.
There was that one day they thought they might not have something negative to run, but boy oh boy did that "two scoops of ice cream" story bail them out!
Is Scott Adams still skeptical? Are Trump fans claiming this was a fake news story?
Because the White House basically confirmed it, without being specific about any details of a parade. And multiple sources are confirming it as well, down to the details of when Trump personally requested Pentagon planners to work on it.
And because I don't want to hear anything about how the New York Times and the Washington Post can't be trusted on this, let's link to Breibart:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/06/white-house-confirms-donald-trump-wish-for-military-appreciation-parade/
And Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/06/pentagon-says-trump-ordered-washington-military-parade.html
It took only a matter of hours, for Scott Adams to be proven wrong on this one. Now maybe, Trump and his communications team will think twice and reverse course. That's a possibility. But Adams was saying that he mistrusted the Washington Post's floating the story. And WaPo has now been shown to have been right.
Susan wrote: Of course the usual haters and malcontents would cry about it. That's what they do.
I have a question for any of the usual suspects who'll dare to answer. Assuming you approve of, or at least do not object to, a Gay Pride parade (there are dozens of them every June) or a pussy hat procession, why would you object to a "pride in our armed forces" parade?
If we had an anthem like Le Marseillaise we’d parade a lot more.
Well, nobody marches to the Star Spangled Banner because it's a waltz. So is God Save the Queen.
President Trump has ordered the press not to think of, contemplate, or otherwise imagine a PURPLE ELEPHANT.
After two years, the press continues to pursue the rumored PURPLE ELEPHANT with reckless abandon.
"Arise children of the Fatherland.
The day of glory has arrived.
Against us, tyranny's
Bloody banner is raised ..."
It sounds better in French, particularly in the movie "Casablanca"
Ten seconds of googling could have told Althouse the story wasn't fake news, but first you have to be curious.
It seems like a fuckup to me to, and I don’t trust the WaPo, but I admit to being incurious. Still, it’s not impeachable. Hopefully he gets talked out of it. The flyovers at the Super Bowl, etc, are great though.
Expected answer to Quaestor from the usual suspects:
Because - Trump!
Today on Morning Joe, Scarborough suggested this be a mass veterans’ parade instead. I concur, but probably not for his reasons.
A vet parade would attract antifa, blm, and their fellow travelers.
The DC police community, used to major events, would not let it degenerate into a Charlottesville incident.
Instead, you’d have great footage of antifa and blm throwing tantrums in isolated areas.
Just in time for the midterm elections.
Who are you for: gramps toddering along with dignity under the flag one last time, or some wanker in a black hoodie wiping his but with the flag one more time?
The campaign spots write themselves...
JSM
I went to opening day at Fenway Park when they were handing out WS rings (yeah, The Curse of the Bambino is gone, and we have even gotten to see a GOAT on the field in Foxborough, as a nod to the Cubs) anyway, I am so fricking ADD it’s like swimming in a dream, but, as per usual, I digress, and my point was that they flew a giant Coast Guard helicopter over the Green Monster and banked it over center field and it was awe inspiring.
Parades though? Meh. Not that I don’t appreciate the stuff the boys do for us, I really do.
Here is a choice for our liberals, given a choice, parades, or war in Libya and getting involved in a civil war in Syria?
And who gave that Stinger missile to the terrorists? We know that Hillary, Obaman, and the CIA gave missiles to the “good guys” in Syria and one of them ended up shooting down an American helicopter in Afghanistan, where thankfully, no-onw was killed.
So I am thinking I would rather a guy who likes parades than a lady who likes wars.
Clapper! He’s the guy who was handing out missiles in Syria!
I like the local parades of veterans, but a Veteran’s Day observance in DC, with high school bands, especially for example, from the heavily black high schools here in South Florida, you get some drum corps stuff that is incredible, stuff like that. It would be great. Hopefully no missiles on trucks though.
"Because the White House basically confirmed it, without being specific about any details of a parade."
-- The details are what turns this from "Maybe this year we'll do a parade instead of just the concert and fireworks" into "a North Korean-esque propaganda farce."
Back in college, my favorite football game each year was the Air Force game, because they always had great flyovers. Nothing beats having a C-5 flyover as slow as it possibly can go and still stay in the air--that thing is so huge and it really can fly low and slow. Your mind just expects it to fall out of the sky.
Awesome.
Naturally people like Chuck would be horrified at the idea of celebrating the military. I mean, what if Trump attends the parade in a closed room overlooking the route so people won't see him--that way he won't be "reviewing the troops as a dictator" or something. Of course the left and Chuck would still be horrified. Maybe we can get Inga there to spit on them--great optics for their "We hate America so vote for us!" campaign they are engaged in.
--Vance
Everyone does know every 4th of July they have a big concert with military bands, celebrities and stuff in D.C., right?
Didn't Tillerson resign a month or two back? I don't recall who replaced him.
Who's secretary of state these days?
Perhaps Inga knows.
John Henry
basically confirmed it,
See, that’s the kind of shit I just don’t trust anymore from the media. Like Trump claimed it’s treasonous not to applaud him. Meanwhile. we have an out of control prosecutor trying to rectify the treason of usurping Hillary’s rightful throne!
Hagar and Ron Winkleheimer said...
Any of you people consider what a royal pain in the ass a military parade is for the poor suckers who have to march in it?
Having been in the army, and more than a few parades, yes I do know what a pain in the ass it is.
To be fair, the parades themselves aren't too bad. It's the parade inspection. preceded by the parade pre-inspection preceded by the parade pre-pre-inspection stretching back 4 hours that is tiresome :)
Vance how do you know what I think about a parade? I said nothing about that. You say that I "would be horrified at the idea of celebrating the military." Based on what? Have you, like, ever asked me, "What would you think about a large celebration of the military?"
You've got a lot of goddamned nerve, the way you do this in multiple posts; telling people what I think about something, when you have no idea.
Bad optics for who?
Let's have a parade and a draft for everybody now that would be something.
I kind of like the idea of a parade.
Not so much for the parade itself. What I Love, Love, Love, about the idea is who it will really piss off.
Maybe all those national progressive socialists can have a counter parade. They will all get together and scream at the sun.
John Henry
tcrosse said...
If we had an anthem like Le Marseillaise we’d parade a lot more.
Well, nobody marches to the Star Spangled Banner because it's a waltz. So is God Save the Queen.
OTOH the "Stars and Stripes Forever" is an awesome tune to March with...
------------------
Let martial note in triumph float
And liberty extend its mighty hand
A flag appears ‘mid thunderous cheers,
The banner of the Western land.
The emblem of the brave and true
Its folds protect no tyrant crew;
The red and white and starry blue
Is freedom’s shield and hope.
Other nations may deem their flags the best
And cheer them with fervid elation
But the flag of the North and South and West
Is the flag of flags, the flag of Freedom’s nation.
How much does it cost? Is it worth it? If not, quit spending all our money on wasteful things.
OTOH the "Stars and Stripes Forever" is an awesome tune to March with...
You can also Polka to it.
Chuck, where could I possibly get the idea you hate this military parade? Because the first thing you did was come into this thread and start attacking Trump as a liar and the administration as one too. You wanted to accuse the Administration of wrongdoing--somehow, someway-- with this idea of the military parade.
Most people either are saying "good idea, we should celebrate the military. Besides, Bastille day." Or they are "Let's not go North Korea optics here."
You are in the gate accusing the Trump administration of lying and other crimes. Not, exactly, a show of support for a military parade at all. Thus, it totally makes sense that you oppose it--anything Trump does or says, you oppose. Trump could say how beautiful the rainbow is and you'd attack him for lying about that.
So I don't know if you support the military or not, but I do know this: If Trump supports it, you oppose it and think he should be impeached over it. So in this case, I am 100% certain you oppose celebrating the military if Trump is involved somehow. Maybe you'd support a military parade in downtown Ogden Utah as long as Trump is in DC, but if Trump's within a 1000 miles you'd oppose it.
Past history is a pretty good indicator.
--Vance
Then tell us Chuck, how would you feel about a parade, one that emulates the French military parade they hold each year on Bastille Day?
Most people either are saying "good idea, we should celebrate the military. Besides, Bastille day."
Nothing stirs the heart of most people in America quite like Bastille Day.
"...quit spending all our money on wasteful things."
Our kids' and grandkids' money, I mean.
When Scott Adams said a military parade "smells wrong," he meant it would emulate the French.
The French had their Bastille Day parades even while they were getting their butts kicked in Dien Bien Phu. Have s parade when ISIS has been wiped out and the Taliban has been wiped out. Not before.
Everybody loves a parade. No goose stepping though please. But that is the optic that Trump's opponents will try to present. How long will it take until CNN is running footage of NK military parades while discussing how evil Trump is? Footage of 1938 Nazis might be over the top. Save that for MSNBC.
I think Earnest is right.
It would smell wrong because if we are to emulate the French no body would take a shower.
A show of military support for the administration would be a useful thing to concentrate the minds of his opponents.
The military in the US is invisible as a political factor or even a proximate reality to most people in power. Perceptions matter even among these masters of the universe.
The military, used correctly, trumps the secret police or the regulatory state, should it come to a crisis.
This is indeed banana republic thinking, but thats what you've got.
Cnn actually has a good story on the history of military parades on their Web site today.
Interesting that JFK's inaugural parade included dozens of trucks hauling missles.
A veterans parade would be great. On Veterans Day. Followed by a White House reception.
We could have choirs and marching bands and children giving out flowers.
We could have NFL players kneeling along the route and liberals spitting on and burning the flag.
Cover all the bases.
Scott Adams says "On a scale of persuasion mistakes, a military parade would be a 10," but I'm sure he'll change his mind after he reads all these comments.
Chuck, consider that there is a wide gulf between what Sarah Sanders said and what the anonymous sources claim in the Post Article.
LLR and Noted Mind-Reader Chuck: "You've got a lot of goddamned nerve, the way you do this in multiple posts; telling people what I think about something, when you have no idea."
Yeah, the guy who spends half his time mind-reading and assessing fault based on his own "insights" and musings wrote that.
Just now.
LOL
Let's hear from an anonymous source the troops will be issued Parade Day only grey uniforms and the band will play "Dixie".
I'll give you 2:1 odds the WaPo and certain Democrat officials will run with it.
The military, used correctly, trumps the secret police or the regulatory state, should it come to a crisis.
You're not a big fan of the Constitution, are you?
Why is everyone around here so skeptical and negative about our Patriotic President’s ideas?
Because he was a draft dodger during Vietnam and compared having unprotected sex with numerous women as comparable to serving in Vietnam.
Did Trump tweet it? If not, it didn't happen. ;-)
Freder Frederson said...
Because he was a draft dodger during Vietnam and compared having unprotected sex with numerous women as comparable to serving in Vietnam.
Other than that is there a problem?
Freder: the point is that when it comes time to overthrow the government as your side is plotting to do, it never hurts to remind those so inclined who owns the guns.
See, recently we had the coup in Turkey. And the plotters failed to get enough of the military on their side, and their coup failed. So a helpful reminder to the left that the guys with the tanks and guns support Trump may in fact be appropriate, so they can perhaps think things through before they attempt a coup.
Put more blunt: If you intend to use the FBI to overthrow Trump, you'd better be sure that they can outfight the US Marines. And I'm pretty sure they cannot.
--Vance
I would still like the old Roman Triumph Parade with indicted Deep State traitor perps walking behind in chains. Comey will be the tall one.
Because he was a draft dodger during Vietnam and compared having unprotected sex with numerous women as comparable to serving in Vietnam.
Bill Clinton should scold him for that.
Patriotic displays are counter-persuasive if you're in the band.
JAORE said...
Let's hear from an anonymous source the troops will be issued Parade Day only grey uniforms and the band will play "Dixie".
It worked in "Rio Grande" at the 2 min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CdPkvqgcOY
It is easy to figure out what you think Chuckles.
Just think what a traitor would do and you are in the right ballpark.
It's easy.
Field Marshall Freder: "Because he was a draft dodger during Vietnam and compared having unprotected sex with numerous women as comparable to serving in Vietnam."
The party of Bill Clinton and Stolen Valor Liars Blumenthal and Harkin speaks!
LLR Chuck swoons.....
Buwaya: "A show of military support for the administration would be a useful thing to concentrate the minds of his opponents."
1. Yes, but does a parade do that? Even if so, is there a more effective/cost-effective way to demonstrate that the military supports one side/party/man over the other?
2. Would it not be more productive/"useful" to do something (spend money) that concentrates the MINDS OF THE MILITARY on supporting one side/party/man over the other?
3. Do military minds concentrate more or less when they are paid regularly? The money will run out someday. Are you betting that the civil war will start before we go broke?
"Let's hear from an anonymous source the troops will be issued Parade Day only grey uniforms and the band will play "Dixie".
I'll give you 2:1 odds the WaPo and certain Democrat officials will run with it."
That would be brilliant.
Freder and ARM are just jerking each other off.
Avert your eyes.
It's a shame Tillerson is no longer around to provide guidance.
Unknown said...
Chuck, where could I possibly get the idea you hate this military parade? Because the first thing you did was come into this thread and start attacking Trump as a liar and the administration as one too. You wanted to accuse the Administration of wrongdoing--somehow, someway-- with this idea of the military parade.
Here you go again. I regularly point out instances where Trump is lying. What does that have to do with the U.S. military?
I didn't even accuse the Trump administration of lying. I think Sarah Sanders artfully confirmed what I expect is a totally true story; that Trump wants to hold a grand military parade.
What I did in my post was to ridicule Scott Adams for presuming that the story was fake, when it was soon confirmed as true.
I don't hate the U.S. military. I don't even hate the idea of a military parade, in general. I do hate Scoot Adams, and I do hate Donald Trump personally.
Most people either are saying "good idea, we should celebrate the military. Besides, Bastille day." Or they are "Let's not go North Korea optics here."
You are in the gate accusing the Trump administration of lying and other crimes. Not, exactly, a show of support for a military parade at all. Thus, it totally makes sense that you oppose it--anything Trump does or says, you oppose. Trump could say how beautiful the rainbow is and you'd attack him for lying about that.
I attack Trump as a liar only because Trump is in fact a colossal, psychopathic liar. "John Miller/"John Baron." Investigators in Hawaii. "Doctor-inflicted autism." The biggest electoral college win since Reagan. "Thousands" cheering the fall of the WTC. You get the picture.
I don't oppose everything that is associated with Trump. I didn't oppose Jeff Sessions, or Betsy DeVos, or Neil Gorsuch, or Scott Pruitt, or Scott Gottlieb. Or a dozen great new appointments to the Circuit Courts of Appeal. I didn't oppose the GOP tax package, or the wave of deregulation we're now seeing. I didn't oppose pulling out of the Paris accords.
So I don't know if you support the military or not, but I do know this: If Trump supports it, you oppose it and think he should be impeached over it. So in this case, I am 100% certain you oppose celebrating the military if Trump is involved somehow. Maybe you'd support a military parade in downtown Ogden Utah as long as Trump is in DC, but if Trump's within a 1000 miles you'd oppose it.
Past history is a pretty good indicator.
--Vance
So now you get around to saying that you "don't know if [I] support the military or not..." But only after I call you out for declaring falsely that I "would be horrified at the idea of celebrating the military." Those are both your quotes. On one page. What bullshit from you.
You miserable bastard. Quit writing about me. Leave me alone. Leave me out of your miserable world.
"You miserable bastard. Quit writing about me. Leave me alone. Leave me out of your miserable world."
#StrongDemDefender is really quite upset this morning, isn't he?
Well, given what continues to leak out about LLR Chuck's dem operational allies it's not surprising in the least.
With obama becoming exposed as being in the middle of this fake russian collusion story WHILE LLR Chuck's dem allies were actually colluding with Russians to frame an opposition candidate and then attempting to overturn an election, LLR Chuck is going to be very busy indeed in the weeks to come deflecting and defending the dems.
Our LLR contributor certainly has his work cut out for him in the coming weeks! Not to worry, when it comes to defending the indefensible dems LLR Chuck becomes indefatigable!!
LLR Chuck: "I don't oppose everything that is associated with Trump. I didn't oppose Jeff Sessions, or Betsy DeVos, or Neil Gorsuch, or Scott Pruitt, or Scott Gottlieb. Or a dozen great new appointments to the Circuit Courts of Appeal. I didn't oppose the GOP tax package, or the wave of deregulation we're now seeing. I didn't oppose pulling out of the Paris accords."
LOL
(wink wink)
NeverTrumper & lifelong republican Brett Stephens is calling for a massive dem victory in 2018.
Because, like LLR Chuck, he is a "true conservative".
LOL
"Yes, but does a parade do that?"
It might. It depends on how it is done, especially to how Trump can reveal the attitude of the troops to this duty. TBD. Trump is good at this.
"You're not a big fan of the Constitution, are you?"
Laws are tools. Misused, they wear and break. When they are bypassed by reality and practice they become useless, like a flat-head screwdriver in a world of hex-sockets. And its not my constitution, I do not worship yours, or any of these things.
Study history as the writers of your constitution did, and its clear that they were rightly worried about failure modes for the constitutional order. The example of the fall of the Roman Republic especially.
Freder:
Trump was no more a draft dodger than every other college kid back then. You got a deferment every year that you were a full time student. I got 5 of them.
No , Chuck, you didn't oppose them.... you just credited someone other than Trump and then attacked Trump anyway for something or other--Tweeting the news out, or "not listening to his advisors on everything else" or something similar. You are incapable of giving Trump credit for anything good, though you certainly blame him for everything and anything your fevered mind can make up.
By the way--what's up with the personal insults against me? I thought you were the king of "Commentators must treat each other with respect!" What happened? I attacked your policies, and I gave reasons why. You resorted to personal attacks and impugned my character, something I thought you were opposed to, and something you always run to Althouse to complain about. Surely a great figure like yourself, dedicated to rooting out the boorish behavior of Trump and his total disgrace of a Presidency with his unfiltered Twitter ramblings, would never stoop to the same level as Trump in responding to someone's criticism's of your politics.
But you did. Exactly how are you morally superior to Trump again as you claim?
--Vance
By the way--what's up with the personal insults against me? I thought you were the king of "Commentators must treat each other with respect!" What happened? I attacked your policies, and I gave reasons why. You resorted to personal attacks and impugned my character, something I thought you were opposed to, and something you always run to Althouse to complain about. Surely a great figure like yourself, dedicated to rooting out the boorish behavior of Trump and his total disgrace of a Presidency with his unfiltered Twitter ramblings, would never stoop to the same level as Trump in responding to someone's criticism's of your politics.
You didn't "attack my policies"! You made up what you imagined to be "my" policies, in your own mind. And this is about the tenth time that I have told to stop doing that, Vance. You seem unable to resist the temptation. And what it is, is an indication of how little you understand what I write about most of the time. You have to create a cartoon version of me, to attack instead of simply making a point of your own, or asking me if you have a question about what my position might be.
You're just not all that smart, Vance; and you're not very well-informed. I don't want to have to answer your defamatory characterizations of me or what you think I believe. I don't really want to have to respond to you at all.
So do us both a favor and stop cluttering these pages with your attacks on imaginary positions that you make up about me. Again I say; quit writing about me and to me.
Freder takes time out from lovin' bigly on "5 Deferments" Jumpin' Joe Biden to complain about draft deferments because...of course he is.
LLR and #StrongWaPoDefender Chuck: "You didn't "attack my policies"! You made up what you imagined to be "my" policies, in your own mind."
It's precisely what your beloved NYT and WaPo and CNN and others do every single day.
But only every single day.
So a helpful reminder to the left that the guys with the tanks and guns support Trump may in fact be appropriate,
If the guys with the tanks and the guns support Trump, they don't belong in the military. Their oath is to the Constitution, not the president. They are also required to disobey any unlawful order. The strength of our country is that the military is deliberately isolated from internal politics.
That you, and buwaya, think it should be otherwise is scary and frankly unAmerican.
the point is that when it comes time to overthrow the government as your side is plotting to do, it never hurts to remind those so inclined who owns the guns.
Who exactly on my side is trying to overthrow the government. The FBI that has never had a Democratic director? The Justice Department, the FBI, and Mueller, the first two of whom were appointed by Trump and the third appointed by another Trump appointee.
Give me a break?
Consider what happened to Rome.
There would have been no Gracchi, no Marius, no Caesar, had the circumstances of the times not corrupted the institutions that should have maintained the Roman constitution.
The inability to restore the underlying society to a state that was compatible with the constitution made it impossible to continue in the ancient mode. The institutions tasked with maintaining the constitution were in the hands of interests that depended on it, unmodified, for their power, so were induced to resist reform. Its not clear that reform was possible anyway.
Which led to, of course, a victory for reality.
Which victory was not on the whole a good thing.
Historical forces are often malevolent.
As for Trump, he is a man akin to Spenglers view of the Gracchi, and other such reformers, that they were opposing the historical tide. A noble effort but futile against greater and impersonal forces.
BTW, did you catch the WaPo article today which accidentally spilled the beans that Hillary's campaign was in direct contact with the Russian FSB (Federal Security Bureau aka KGB Putin Pals) via Hillary slime-buckets Blumenthal and Cody Shearer during the campaign because the FSB types were promising compromising info on Trump?
LOL
And then, Blumenthal and Shearer worked with the Hillary henchpersons in the FBI and DOJ and obama team to weaponize the lies into a fake counter-intelligence OP to defeat candidate Trump and then, when that failed, to overturn the election.
"Our TASK", as Strzok wrote to Page.
I can't begin to contemplate how LLR Chuck will run interference for all this but it should be fun to watch.
Great historical comparison.
President Trump is indeed the reincarnation of the Gracchi.
WASHINGTON —The Pentagon has turned down Donald J. Trump’s request for a grand military parade in Washington, D.C., citing a sudden outbreak of bone spurs that would prevent men and women in uniform from participating.
Harland Dorrinson, a Pentagon spokesman, said that, within an hour of Trump’s request, more than a hundred thousand military personnel complained that they were suffering from acute cases of bone spurs that would make marching in such a parade a painful ordeal.
“In the history of the U.S. military, we have never experienced a bone-spur epidemic of this magnitude,” the spokesman said. “Regrettably, however, we have no choice but to issue thousands of deferments.”
A statement from the bone-spur sufferers said that they would continue to valiantly serve their country around the world in a non-marching capacity, and offered an alternative to their participation in Trump’s proposed pageant.
“President Trump is welcome to march in the parade all by himself if he would finally like to enlist,” the statement read.”
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/military-refuses-to-participate-in-trumps-parade-citing-bone-spurs
Field Marshall Freder: "If the guys with the tanks and the guns support Trump, they don't belong in the military."
Too late.
Do you have anything else to offer?
A fopdoodle hates people who don't even know this particular fopdoodle exists.
Chuck leads a pathetic life.
“Their oath is to the Constitution, not the president. They are also required to disobey any unlawful order. The strength of our country is that the military is deliberately isolated from internal politics.
That you, and buwaya, think it should be otherwise is scary and frankly unAmerican.”
Hear hear!
“Who exactly on my side is trying to overthrow the government. The FBI that has never had a Democratic director? The Justice Department, the FBI, and Mueller, the first two of whom were appointed by Trump and the third appointed by another Trump appointee.
Give me a break”
They are increasingly delusional.
It's not gonna happen, but the trial baboon was a success. Even got Scott Dilbert to flinch
I would cast Obama as Sulla.
Launching proscriptions against his enemies and confiscate their estates through asset forfieture and closing off the banking system from their own money.
A very sullen Sulla at that.
"That you, and buwaya, think it should be otherwise is scary and frankly unAmerican.”
Allowing a candidate for higher office and her party to collude with the FSB and then weaponize the make-believe products of that collusion into an OP run by our intelligence and law enforcement services to defeat an opposition political candidate and then attempt to overturn an election is unamerican.
But par for the course across the globe whenever lefties get control.
"They are increasingly delusional."
"Page wrote to Strzok on Sept. 2, 2016, about prepping Comey because “potus wants to know everything we’re doing.” According to a newly released Senate report, this text raises questions about Obama’s personal involvement in the Clinton email investigation."
“Ten seconds of googling could have told Althouse the story wasn't fake news, but first you have to be curious.”
Precisely. And you’d have to want to hear news that may reflect badly on your object of affection.
"That you, and buwaya, think it should be otherwise is scary and frankly unAmerican."
I'm not American. History is an uncomfortable guide to the fate of fond delusions.
Your constitution is obsolete already, as it does not take into account the actual structures of power in your polity. It does not take into account the enormous power of the regulatory state, of its making of laws independent of Congress, of its intricate and extensive melding into the private power centers.
And that's just one thing. The bigger problem is that your constitution was made for a different people with a different culture. The modern American (or most of them) are not the sort that could or would use the US constitution as intended.
And you already have an instance of the bureaucratic state attempting to meddle in politics to elect someone they prefer, and to hamper or overthrow the President. You have evidence of active sedition on the part of powerful servants of the state.
This was predictable. Expect much more.
So marching in a parade is an unlawful order?
What a bunch of crap.
We should have the parade just to piss off Chuck and Inga and the rest of the UnAmerican types.
We can set up a safe space where they can kneel and burn the flag. I mean we need something for CNN to cover because the will ignore any patriotic parade in the same way they ignore the Right To Life rallies.
You can say a lot about Elon Musk, but you can't say he doesn't know marketing.
Page and Strozk kept POTUS in the loop about the "insurance plan" that was hatched in Andrew "Andy" McCabe's office. Those same two discussed how to hide text messages despite records retention laws.
Comey was directly implicated.
The FBI lied to secure warrants to spy on an opposition candidate.
All of this was suspected (and inferentially known) a year ago.
Leftist Collectivists are still in denial about what they support.
One wonders how many PURPLE ELEPHANTS could dance on the head of a pin. Or whether Trump himself could conjure a PURPLE ELEPHANT so heavy that even Trump couldn't lift it.
“I'm not American.”
OK, good excuse, so what is Drago and Achilles’ excuse?
There was a Grand Review of the Grand Army of the Republic after the end of the Civil War.
This time we are going to have the parade before we have the war.
“You didn't "attack my policies"! You made up what you imagined to be "my" policies, in your own mind.”
They do this with as much regularity as their daily BM.
"That you, and buwaya, think it should be otherwise is scary and frankly unAmerican."
To add to my point above, what WAS American was to be educated in history, to know, for instance, the Bible, British history, and especially the classics, especially the history of Rome and the great drama of the Roman Republic. The roots of American thought about politics.
This all is gone, dead, no longer in your souls. The US constitution was created for people who were educated as above, with living and open minds. But as Allan Bloom said, the American mind has closed. No vacancy, anywhere, for genuine thought of any sort. You are no longer a people suited to your constitution.
I agree with ARM on that. He has managed to sell a lot of high end golf carts!
It’s not un-American in any way to withhold applause for the news that black unemployment is at record lows though.
Well the phillipine constitution is based on the American know or was there an update since the bell act, or the post Macs period.
ARM: "You can say a lot about Elon Musk, but you can't say he doesn't know marketing."
That's for sure.
But then again, given the projected cost/launch of Falcon Heavy vs NASA's coming SLS Falcon Heavy is looking pretty good.
Or as Larry David would say: pret-ty, pret-ty, pret-ty good....
Marcos period,
Since the gracchi odnt end well I'll submit Marius man of theeople.
If you ever attend a military airshow, I doubt you will find it bad optics, although it can smell a little, but it smells like victory, pride, and security. How is a military airshow any different?
Freder takes time out from lovin' bigly on "5 Deferments" Jumpin' Joe Biden
I don't think I have ever even mentioned Joe Biden, either lovingly or otherwise, on this blog.
Just keep making shit up instead of addressing the issue.
“This all is gone, dead, no longer in your souls. The US constitution was created for people who were educated as above, with living and open minds. But as Allan Bloom said, the American mind has closed. No vacancy, anywhere, for genuine thought of any sort. You are no longer a people suited to your constitution.”
So Trumpist commenters here love it when a foreigner lectures them and denigrates the Constitution and the US? Strange times we live in. He is someone who has lived here for over 30 years and has not become a citizen.
BTW, refresh my memory. Is this the same newspaper that breathlessly reported back in early December that Rex Tillerson was going to be removed I just a few weeks? Or was it the other one? Since this is early February I guess “few” means something different in newsrooms than it does to people who work for a living.
bagoh20: "How is a military airshow any different?"
Military airshows are magnificent. See LLR Chuck, I like to use the term "magnificent" when referring to our military, not to obama like you.
BTW, best moment ever at an airshow?
The Naval Aviation 75th anniversary airshow in Pensacola, FL in 1986 with special hosts (and TV show later), Bob Hope. A Brit harrier pilot does his stuff and then.....forgets to drop his gear on landing.
In front of the world.....and then gets out and kicks the aircraft....
“Just keep making shit up instead of addressing the issue.”
That is Drago’s schtick.
Didn't and people, apparently there was a 1986 revision.
Inga: "So Trumpist commenters here love it when a foreigner lectures them and denigrates the Constitution and the US? "
LOL
obama went on a world-wide tour apologizing for America.
Tell us more.
Drago said...
LLR and #StrongWaPoDefender Chuck: "You didn't "attack my policies"! You made up what you imagined to be "my" policies, in your own mind."
It's precisely what your beloved NYT and WaPo and CNN and others do every single day.
In that case, Drago, write about the NYT, WaPo and CNN. Leave me out of it.
My "beloved" paper is the Wall Street Journal. My "beloved" periodicals are National Review and the Weekly Standard.
This blog's comments pages would be improved dramatically and immediately if, as I've requested of Vance, you would only -- please! -- stop writing about me. I don't understand why you can't do that at my request. You keep writing about me even after I've told you that I don't care what you write and that I'd be so much happier (and the comments pages would be better) if you stopped.
Field Marshall Freder: "I don't think I have ever even mentioned Joe Biden, either lovingly or otherwise, on this blog"
Well, given how much you seem to care about deferments, perhaps you should have, lest others think you don't really mean it....
LOL
LLR Chuck: "In that case, Drago, write about the NYT, WaPo and CNN. Leave me out of it"
You are "it".
You advance every narrative and talking point put out by any lefty anywhere at anytime.
Because you are a True Blue conservative.
Naturally.
So you put yourself "into it", you just don't want anyone to notice how full of nonsense you are.
But it's really unavoidable.
Drago said...
...
Military airshows are magnificent. See LLR Chuck, I like to use the term "magnificent" when referring to our military, not to obama like you.
When, and exactly how, did I ever use the term "magnificent" in relation to Obama?
A very perceptive and profound take on the closing of the American Mind. Mostly due to the failure of the education monopoly presided over by ultra liberal social justice warriors.
To most of the poor saps educated the past twenty years "The Gracchi" are potato
macaroni that you can purchase at Whole Foods.
Inga recommends the spinach variety.
Alan Bloom was born in the US, and was a citizen.
The inability or unwillingness to engage with ideas was his point.
Which Inga, and so many others, prove over and over.
The American mind is closed. You can knock at the door all you like, but at best someone inside will yell at you to go away.
"Just keep making shit up instead of addressing the issue."
"the issue".
LOL
“You keep writing about me...”
If they didn’t have the opposition to focus their inner demons on, they’d have to focus on what their President is doing. That might create a cyclone in their brains. Drago hardest hit.
Inga's hatred of foreigners is duly noted
She only supports Mexican gang members and Muslim terrorists gaining unfettered access to the United States.
Educated people from places like the Philippines are to be ignored and ostracized.
Sad.
Bloom had seen the madness at Cornell close up, he traced weimar era philosophy as much as he was able in supposedly innocent venues like the song 'Mack the knife' as with greater intrusions like that of marcuses influence on the new left.
Inga: "... they’d have to focus on what their President is doing."
I'm glad you mentioned that!
Heritage Foundation president Kay Coles James: “Ronald Reagan is a personal hero of mine but the facts are the facts, and the facts are that Donald Trump in his first year has completed about 64 percent of our Mandate for Leadership.”
"With the passage of the GOP tax bill this week, the Trump administration has scored 81 major achievements in its first year, making good on campaign promises to provide significant tax cuts, boost U.S. energy production, and restore respect to the United States, according to the White House.
And along the way, President Trump even outdid his own expectations and slashed at least 11 major legacy items of former President Barack Obama, including cracking down on the open border, slowing recognition of communist Cuba and effectively killing Obamacare by ending the mandate that everyone have health insurance or face a tax."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed/article/2644159
That's what Trump has been doing.
Or hadn't you noticed?
You know, I wouldn't mind a parade after all that.
The fact is the unhinged left refuses to focus on what President Trump is doing. Appointing conservative judges. Overturning onerous regulations that strangle businesses in the cradle. Lowering the corporate tax rate which led to repatriation of funds, investments in new factories, increase in real wages and take home pay. Giving of the crumbs of $1000 bonuses to the working man.
What we need to focus on is imaginary Russian hookers peeing in a bed and imaginary Russian collusion over the last election. Not the real collusion between rouge elements of the Deep State, Hillary's campaign and the corrupt news media. That is what we need to focus on you fools!
"The Potus wants to be informed."
“The inability or unwillingness to engage with ideas was his point.
The American mind is closed. You can knock at the door all you like, but at best someone inside will yell at you to go away.”
I’ve heard this nonsense for months now from Buwaya. The truth of the matter is that he cannot tolerate thoughts and opinions that are in opposition to his. He’s convinced himself and others here that he holds the key to what ails America. When opposed, he and others then fall back on making claims that the opposition are incapeable of understanding the “truth”, which in reality is pure bullshit. He does not have an American’s view into what is happening to this country and seems instead to be invested in stirring the pot of discontent, also known as shit stirring.
It's a great idea. Let's do it.
Chuck, resident fopdoodle, loves the Wall Street Journal.
That is the same Wall Street Journal that employed Glenn Simpson to do straight reporting.
That is the same Glenn Simpson that is a Dem shill, attack dog, Obama and Hillary insider, and recipient of illegal payments from Democrat law firm Perkins, Coie.
It all makes sense.
buwaya: "The American mind is closed. You can knock at the door all you like, but at best someone inside will yell at you to go away."
The American Mind closed once LLR Chuck's lefty allies had completed enough of their March Thru The Institutions and forever redirected to meet their political ends.
Now the takeover is complete in many institutions, which is why the Trump effort might just be a significant speedbump on the road back to serfdom.
Or, it might just be something else indeed....
Inga: "The truth of the matter is that he cannot tolerate thoughts and opinions that are in opposition to his."
LOL
Yeah. A lefty wrote that. In 2018. Just now.
Without irony.
"I prefer foreigners who are actually happy to be here and investited in making this country their home and showing their gratefulness by becoming a citizen and accepting the responsibilities of being an American. "
MS-13.
Except Simpson relied on akhmwtshin as a source, to denote who was an acceptable source like himself, and who firtash and deripasha were beyond the pale.
“Inga's hatred of foreigners is duly noted.”
I prefer foreigners who are actually happy to be here and invested in making this country their home and showing their gratefulness by becoming a citizen and accepting the responsibilities of being an American. Gosh... isn’t that similar to what Trump said?
buwaya: The American mind is closed, as Bloom discussed many years ago.
Inga: No it's not, you dumb foreigner. We are proud of our country. Now go away. I win.
The Parody in the Coal Mine died quietly.
“MS-13.”
So which liberals want them here?
The Philippines adopted a US-style constitution in 1935, was replaced by a parliamentary system under the dictator in 1975, and had a slightly modified version of the 1935 constitution in 1987.
The thing is though, that in the reality of Philippine culture laws like this are not very relevant. That is an extremely different society where power structures and public expectations, and the general way of things, is entirely different.
It is an informal culture where the laws are, if not regarded as suggestions, mainly considered totems to be acknowledge in passing, lest they harm you. As the Filipino farmer would regard a termite hill in his rice field - he will say "tabi, tabi po" - "excuse me sir" - to the supernatural being residing within.
German sociologists would call it an extreme case of Gemeinschaft.
Birkel: Purple elephants, purple elephants, purple elephants!
Ok stop hitting the juice and so early in the day, sheesh.
You prefer foriegners who kill American Citizens with drunk driving or murder young high school girls. You prefer foreigners who practice a Religion that demands Sharia law that demands the subjugation of woman and the murder of homosexuals.
Ok some of the stuff they like makes sense but still I don't they are the kind of people we want in this country.
If only the US Immigration service had prevented the entry of the extended families of concentration camp guards after World War 2 we would never had to deal with your bullshit.
Our immigration system has been broken for a long time.
Gabriel Malor 10:06 AM - Feb 7, 2018
@gabrielmalor
There is some interesting stuff in Grassley/Graham's referral to DOJ. Here's what the G/G referral tells us.
(1) The October 2016 FISA warrant application seeking surveillance of Carter Page disclosed that Steele compiled the dossier at the direction of a political client.
2) At the time of the October 2016 warrant application, FBI believed Steele had not previously disclosed dossier information to anyone but FBI and his client.
(3) FBI came to learn Steele made a media disclosure in October 2016, broke off its relationship with him, and noted this in its subsequent warrant renewals.
(4) FBI believed that was Steele's first media disclosure, and the agency continued to represent as such in the application renewals.
(5) In litigation documents made public in April 2017, Page is revealed to have made media disclosures prior to October 2016.
(6) FBI did not, subsequent to April 2017, include in warrant renewal applications this new information that Steele had previously lied to the FBI about media disclosures prior to October 2016.
(7) The G/G referral states, "Instead the [post-April 2017] application still relied primarily on [Steele's] credibility prior to the October media incident."
Remember when lying to the FBI was supposed to be a big deal?...good times, good times...
And even after knowing Steele had lied, the FBI pretended he had not in their FISA submissions.
Not a smidgen of "magnificent" obama corruption.
Not even a smidgen.
Inga,
Do you understand the PURPLE ELEPHANT metaphor?
Please, explain it in your own words.
Inga: "So which liberals want them here?"
Just the open borders liberals.....
.....which is ALL of them.
Perhaps we should have a parade along the new border wall by our increased Border Patrol and ICE agents when the time is appropriate....
.....nah. Parades are literally White Supremacy.
The liberals don't even want to deport the out and out criminals. That is what sanctuary cities are all about.
Think about it. Here we have illegal immigrants who have committed crimes. And the liberals don't want them turned over to ICE to be deported. In fact in Cali they want to arrest anyone who aids ICE in deporting these criminals.
So young teenage black girls get hacked to death and NFL players die in crashes with criminals who have been deported numerous times. They are just fine with that.
They are truly evil people.
I've explained the PURPLE ELEPHANTS metaphor. Some people are confused because the typical metaphor uses pink elephants. But it works either way.
So, Inga, give me your insight, such as it is.
"(5) In litigation documents made public in April 2017, Page is revealed to have made media disclosures prior to October 2016."
Page?
“Do you understand the PURPLE ELEPHANT metaphor?
Please, explain it in your own words.”
I don’t give a flying fuck what you THINK you’re trying to say by repeating your ridiculous repetitive PURPLE ELEPHANT nonsense. It’s not as insightful as you’d LIKE to think. It’s just dumb.
Inga,
So you don't understand it and you're lashing out in your incomprehension?
Rub some dirt on it?
Just. Like. Hitler.
I thought the purple elephant refers to the enormous black cock the cuckservatives get cucked with in service of their devotion to the left?
No wonder Inga is upset.
Any of you people consider what a royal pain in the ass a military parade is for the poor suckers who have to march in it?
Yeah. No kidding.
Parades were a massive pain in the ass.
The brass? Sure. Big fun.
The rest of us? Sucked.
From Twitter (if anyone uses it and doesn't already follow the inestimable DPRK News Service), here.
While you can't march to "The Star-Spangled Banner", you CAN march to this:
The Stars and Stripes Forever (1929, Sousa Conducting and Speaking!)
Pretty cool!
Inga; "I don’t give a flying fuck what you THINK you’re trying to say by repeating your ridiculous repetitive PURPLE ELEPHANT nonsense. It’s not as insightful as you’d LIKE to think. It’s just dumb."
Now that is hilarious.
Rabel: "Page?"
Yep. Typo.
You actually CAN march to the Star Spangled Banner, sort of:
National Emblem March
You can Polka to it as well.
"Yep. Typo."
Malor's, not yours.
Malor's, not yours.
Let's not quibble about who killed who...
I would quibble that who killed whom, if I were pedantic.
The Grand Review of the Armies in Washington DC in May 1865 was such a show of fascistic French-like weakness by President Johnson. He should have been impeached for allowing it.
President Johnson was a Republican, of course.
Well done, Birkel!
Andrew Johnson was a War Democrat. He ran as Lincoln's VP under the banner of the National Union ticket. For what it's worth....
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