She speaks of wanting to vote for Oprah, and Jimmy Kimmel breaks in with "Are you allowed to vote here in the United States?" Her "I don't know actually..." feels utterly disingenuous. "I'm not a resident here..." as if being a resident would be enough.
But she's a great actress and could easily play disingenuous.
In a similar vein, she is beautifully made up to look as though she is wearing absolutely no makeup.
By they way, I love her as an actress and I strongly encourage the no-makeup look. It's especially refreshing to see the absence of eye makeup.
IN THE COMMENTS: Amadeus 48 said:
According to Wikipedia, she was born in the Bronx (so she is a US citizen by birth), but the family moved back to Ireland when she was three.Well, then, that makes all the difference. She is a citizen, and her question about residency is exactly the one I would ask.
ADDED: Now, I'm annoyed at the show for playing a cute little game, with Jimmy treating the actress as if she were an airhead and me, at home, getting drawn in. Saoirse could easily have said — at some point — "I am an American citizen." She seems to have chosen to leave us with the misimpression that she's dumb. The old dumb blonde of long Hollywood lineage?!
Or is it that she's playing her Irishness very heavily and doesn't want to be thought of as American?
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She's not going to appeal to raccoons, with no eye makeup.
She's selling herself as a piece of meat on TV.
Fuckabiity is the critical selling point of being an actor or actress. Innocent fuckability is the most salable.
And I'm to blame?
We are all pieces of meat as well as spirits. Why should women be exempt? What is the particular offense that women sustain by suffering the indignity of being a piece of meat?
I liked her debut in atonement, seemingly eons ago, it had a big set piece at dunkirk with James mcavoy, it was her outburst that led him there.
I have her in Hannah but don't remember her specifically. Generic young.
Lefties think visitors have a right to vote--even foreign visitor. It's made a difference in some recent elections, like in Washington State. Japan was listed as the "address" there.
Interesting to hear the sprinkling of "like" throughout her Irish-accented speech. I guess the "like" plague has spread worldwide.
Ronan holds dual American and Irish citizenship--according to what she told the Telegraph.
Hannah would have been memorable with a wry Bruce Willis humor. Maybe women can't do that.
I also like the natural (or apparently naturally looking) eyebrows. Never understood the obsessive tweezing of eyebrows other than to eliminate unibrow.
Jimmy Kimmel breaks in with "Are you allowed to vote here in the United States?" Her "I don't know actually..."
She's a real Einsteiner.
In Saoirse's defense, citizens of the Republic of Ireland can vote in UK elections if they are resident in the UK (and citizens of the UK resident in Ireland can similarly vote in Irish elections), so I think she was applying that UK/Irish civic knowledge to Jimmy's question.
...as if being a resident would be enough.
Being buried here is enough.
According to Wikipedia, she was born in the Bronx (so she is a US citizen by birth), but the family moved back to Ireland when she was three.
Anchor baby? Nah.
In Jordan Peterson's recent Vice interview he speaks of makeup on women in the workplace. He asks the interviewer if makeup should be banned in order to halt sexual harassment. The guy is flabbergasted. Why are lips red, JP asks. Why rouge? It imitates the flushing of arousal. Interviewer has never given this a thought.
"According to Wikipedia, she was born in the Bronx (so she is a US citizen by birth), but the family moved back to Ireland when she was three."
Oh! That makes a big difference!
Thanks.
Wasn't she born in Woodlawn in the Bronx
Whoops
Saoirse is a great name, it was #18 in Ireland and it can be mispronounced in so many ways like "Sean Bean" is "seen bean" and "shawn bawn" at the same time, a type of Irish quantum mechanics for drunks.
"If you imagine it's well known that, of course, you have to be a citizen to vote, listen to Saoirse Ronan, completely innocent of knowledge."
I imagine it's well known that, of course, you don't have to be a citizen to vote, if you live in the right jurisdiction and will vote for the right party or candidate. I also imagine it's well known that there's one party that prefers not to know if you are a citizen eligible to vote when you vote.
As previous comments indicated, this actress may have been uncertain, if she is a citizen by birth but not a resident and not registered to vote--hence not "completely" innocent.
I need to get a little Spanish flag pin, maybe.
At least once a week someone tries to get me to sign a California proposition petition (only citizens count, supposedly), or to register to vote.
We non-Americans deeply resent your archaic rules that keep us from voting in your elections. Aren't you always banging on about being the leader of the free world? It seems only fair that we followers should be cut into the action. Don't expect reciprocity though, we have to keep you out to preserve our cultural independence and guard against predatory Yankee traders.
Or I could break out my boina (beret) and get a bull to chase me everywhere.
Why rouge? It imitates the flushing of arousal.
Nonsense. That might be a man's analysis because he assumes everything a woman does to her appearance is to attract him.
"...a type of Irish quantum mechanics for drunks."
I use to know two Irish women who were named Siobahn and Niamh and how I pronounced their names first time I talked to them still makes me laugh.
IMO, she would look better with a little eye makeup.
She's been in a number of fine movies, but the one that makes her a movie star is "Brooklyn". In that movie she plays an Irish immigrant to Brooklyn. It's impossible to sit through that movie and not fall in love with her. I wonder why she goes through the bother of putting on accents when her own accent is so endearing. She should be typecast as an Irish immigrant and strictly play those roles in all her movies.....She doesn't have the looks of Grace Kelly or the whimsy of Meg Ryan, but her charm is insidious and engrossing in the right role.
She's perfectly capable of speaking with a plain American non-accent, but where's the fun in that ?
The dumb blonde might be a longstanding Hollywood image, but so is the feisty redhead. Don’t tell me you never took advantage of that growing up.
I agree with you William. My wife and I recently watched "Brooklyn" online and loved it. She was wonderful in that movie, it would not have been nearly as good with any other actress.
Has anyone ever been to Ireland and met someone who didn't have a relative living in America?...........I had a friend whose great grandfather fought in our Civil War. The great grandfather lost his leg in that war. He got married and raised a family in New York. After his wife died and his children were grown, he moved back to Ireland. In Ireland, what with the Civil War pension and all, he was an eligible and, indeed, desirable batchelor. He got married again and started another family. So now there's this fairly large group of people in Ireland who are direct descendants of a decorated Civil War hero.
Attractive woman! But hopelessly ditzy. Why would anyone be interested in her airhead political views?
Being a resident, getting a drives license and checking a box are all that is required in the state of California. People can lie without repercussion about it, since they will never check. You can only be prosecuted for lying if it to the FBI.
Speaking of which, why aren't criminals charged with lying to the FBI. "I wasn't at the murder scene." FBI say, "We have video. You are under arrest for second degree murder, robbery, and lying to the FBI." Must not be much of a crime. How many people are locked up solely on that charge I wonder. Sorry for the digression.
"Being a resident here" is all the qualification that some feel people need to be allowed to vote. It could be that the cute blonde is playing dumb on purpose, trying to undermine voter rights. Don't assume innocence not in evidence.
"In Jordan Peterson's recent Vice interview he speaks of makeup on women in the workplace. He asks the interviewer if makeup should be banned in order to halt sexual harassment. The guy is flabbergasted. Why are lips red, JP asks. Why rouge? It imitates the flushing of arousal. Interviewer has never given this a thought."
I'd like to see the actual clip. I don't think Peterson is bringing out any sort of new insight about the meaning of makeup. It's the standard observation I've read in the feminist analysis of makeup for as long as I can remember. Perhaps the interviewer was disturbed at the idea of dealing with men's problems by limiting the freedom of women. You'll have to show me more before I will believe that an educated person just never thought of the idea that lipstick is red because of sex.
"It could be that the cute blonde is playing dumb on purpose, trying to undermine voter rights."
It could just as well be that she's trying to further alarm people who think — as Trump claims — that millions of noncitizens are voting. That's the effect it had on me.
The bearded Kimmel looks and acts like Ben Affleck.
I loved "Brooklyn" too and I want to see "Ladybug." We just saw "Maudie" last night with Ethan Hawke and Sally Yates. It's well worth seeing. Anyway, maybe she was caught off guard with the question and never really thought about it before because she's lived in Ireland since she was a young child. Not only that but she's very young - is she even old enough to vote?
Dear Althouse: There can be no honest and transparent discussion of illegal voting California because the controlling political party will not analysis of the relevent data. Things run a bit differently out here than in your state.
"I wonder why she goes through the bother of putting on accents...."
Because that's her job.
Sounded like her dismissal of the point.
And both the audience and the participants don't seem like they would have picked up on the implications and possibilities that Althouse does.
"She speaks of wanting to vote for Oprah. . ." So she's a moron then.
"'It could be that the cute blonde is playing dumb on purpose, trying to undermine voter rights.'
"It could just as well be that she's trying to further alarm people who think — as Trump claims — that millions of noncitizens are voting. That's the effect it had on me."
It could also just as well be that in the moment she wasn't thinking the audience or Kimmel perceived her as not an American. In her mind, she's an American, and the only question Kimmel's query raised in her mind was whether, not being a resident, she could vote.
If she's not a resident, she's almost certainly not registered to vote at this time, and therefore can't vote. But, as with any American, she's free to register to vote at any time, (once she meets the residence requirements in a particular state).
"'She speaks of wanting to vote for Oprah. . .' So she's a moron then."
One might think so. But then, look how many voted for Donald Trump! Perhaps we're in a time in America where voters don't require (or want) our president to have any qualifications other than a persona that appeals to them. If Trump can continue to convince his supporters he's "smart," and a "problem solver," and that he "cares about the American worker," and is "doing a great job," there's no reason to think Oprah can't pull off the same con.
What a lovely, charming and obviously intelligent young woman. I think Robert Cook gets it right.... "It could also just as well be that in the moment she wasn't thinking the audience or Kimmel perceived her as not an American. In her mind, she's an American, and the only question Kimmel's query raised in her mind was whether, not being a resident, she could vote." Something else was kind of interesting, late in the interview, where they got into some stuff that Saoirse seemed to find at least mildly embarrassing, large, slightly red blotches suddenly appear on her very pale skin.
My great grandfather and great uncles were all born in Ireland and all fought in the Civil War (ours is a long-lived family). But they never went back to Ireland, not even to visit. No desire. They earned their citizenship on the battlefield and were proud of it. My grandmother and mother could have gotten dual citizenship and so could I. But I wouldn't and won't. That's nonsense and bad faith.
It's always hard to tell if these people are really morons or not. Frequently they have good horsepower upstairs but little good reading or intellectual curiosity. Perhaps their upbringing and current vocation don't require much of that.
That said, her response about voting rights and residency is not inherently stupid. To vote you have to be a resident of and registered to vote in some jurisdiction, like the state of NY.
Or No Judgment. Even ICE is being criticized by Mexicans for upholding the Constitution and protecting American civil rights.
Why rouge? It imitates the flushing of arousal.
Nonsense. That might be a man's analysis because he assumes everything a woman does to her appearance is to attract him.
This is hardly nonsense but is well established by evolutionary psychologists.
I've thought she was a marvelous actress since Atonement and I'm looking forward to seeing her in that new adaptation of another crushing Ian McEwan book, On Chesil Beach.
BTW, hardin, it's Hanna and she was hardly generic blonde in that. She was otherworldly; an engineered, luminous creature. And the bahnhof scene with Eric Bana as her father fighting off the bad guys was electric. The soundtrack, by the Chemical Brothers, is fantastic; I used to have the music accompanying the scenes where she escapes the government facility and the aforementioned bahnhof fight on my running playlist.
Inside every ditzy blonde is a woman who’s playing the men around her. Wife knew a card-counting ditzy blonde who made good money from casinos in Atlantic City — she had a Ph.D. in math.
But I have a question. Her place of birth may allow her to vote, but from where? If one is a long time expatriate, which state can they vote in?
"It could just as well be that she's trying to further alarm people" Pretty savvy for an airheady actress who only moments before seemed completely innocent of relevant knowledge.
She's also an Irish Citizen, and obviously thinks of herself as Irish.
Until quite recently Ireland was a miserable, third world country. People get so romantic about it; I don't see why. It was full of death, dirt, rot, and misery. However, there is something distinctly poetic in the Irish soul leading to an effect on English literature that far outstrips what you'd expect from the small population of a tiny, oppressed little island.
I'm not Irish but my children with my second husband are; we have a classic Irish last name that in recent years people have begun giving their children as a first name. And he's cute as a button, with curly hair and dimples and rosy cheeks and sparkly green eyes; he looks like someone you'd see tending bar in Galway. I do think of him as my adorable Irishman, so I have to admit to a little secondhand pride of heritage slipping in.
People shouldn't be allowed to be dual citizens.
Choose one or the other.
Well, the cailÃn álainn certainly knows how to tell a story, which most American starlets, with their ums and ahs and limited vocabulary cannot.
This is hardly nonsense but is well established by evolutionary psychologists.
LOL!
mockturtle said...
IMO, she would look better with a little eye makeup.
Which would make her look more like a man, unless she goes full Goopy Paltrow.
Some young women used to be famous for their brilliant complexions. Now it's all paint, though Nixon tells us it's needed for TV and movies.
I'm rusty on the subject but I had a daughter born in France and it's my recollection that at some point you must decided whether or not you are American or not.
Althouse gets pranked by Jimmy Kimmel, say it isn’t so!
My late husband became an American citizen in 1996 but retained his British citizenship as far as the UK was concerned but it was not recognized by the US. Dual citizenship is never recognized in the US.
@mockturtle - the US may not "recognize" dual citizenship, but it no longer really cares either.
Late night tv (and most of the rest of tv) is for airheads. Virtually nothing gets a good discussion with honest debate. Baseball is about the only thing worth watching and even then announcers will throw in political crap too often.
Unlike certain European countries, where one loses their citizenship if they become the citizen if another country.
The US oath copied above doesn't require that one renounce legal citizenship of another country - but it does require that one renounce all former allegiance and loyalty.
Holdfast asserts: @mockturtle - the US may not "recognize" dual citizenship, but it no longer really cares either.
Hell, they don't even make a distinction between citizens and non-citizens. Even illegals are entitled to most of the advantages of US citizenship.
The US oath copied above doesn't require that one renounce legal citizenship of another country - but it does require that one renounce all former allegiance and loyalty.
So if they're not citizens it's OK to protest in the US flying the Mexican flag.
Ironically, in Mexico it's a crime for non-citizens to engage in political agitation.
We really are the word's idiot-doormat.
Yeah, the feminist no-makeup look goes well with the half-naked dress look.
Is anyone in the metoo hysteria talking about women displaying themselves to provoke sexual responses in every male who happens to come into their presence? It's sexual harassment for women to dress in a way that is designed to cause a sexual reaction in someone who has not given permission.
I remember the first time I saw Miss Ronan- Atonement- she was marvelous in it, and in a very good film. She was also the only good part of The Host and Hanna. In The Lovely Bones, her role is smaller, but another great movie.
Beware! "Dumb" blondes often turn out to be smarter than you are.
Holdfast declares: We really are the word's idiot-doormat.
Well, not so much as Europe. Yet.
It's sexual harassment for women to dress in a way that is designed to cause a sexual reaction in someone who has not given permission.
Excellent point, Peter! Take it and run with it.
I read that her father was actually born in Kenya, so how could she possibly be an American citizen?
She is wearing eye makeup. It just doesn't include heavy eyeliner.
I remember her. She's the actress in Brooklyn that played the immigrant role like DJT's mother perfectly. So maybe she come by her Master Persuader skills honestly.
Or is it that she's playing her Irishness very heavily and doesn't want to be thought of as American?
Foreign actors have been hot in Hollywood for the last decade or so. They are "new" faces for most of the American audience and they have good acting skills and discipline. She doesn't want showrunners to see her as just a regular American girl and lose her "exotic" edge.
I beat Amadeus by a good seven minutes with "Ronan holds dual American and Irish citizenship--according to what she told the Telegraph."
I get no fucking respect.
She's playing dumb but it's scripted. People go to citizenship first re voting, not residency. That's as true in the UK and Ireland as it is anywhere in North America, including that fine Commonwealth nation north of us that's presently being led by the greatest "praying hands" douchecanoe that ever sailed.
So Kimmel's lefty-lib brigade of imposed idiocy wins another point planting in the heads of the morons who hang on his words that voting is based on residency, not citizenship. Therefore, residents without "documentation" should still be allowed to vote.
See how easy that was?
And does anyone question the idea that something like that would be scripted, ie. "I'm gonna ask you about this, and when I do, just do something about *this*..." after watching the CNN bojangles show of the past week plus re. the post-shooting "news"? Color me highly skeptical that this was spontaneous.
"Perhaps the interviewer was disturbed at the idea of dealing with men's problems by limiting the freedom of women. You'll have to show me more before I will believe that an educated person just never thought of the idea that lipstick is red because of sex."
Believe it, or like some of us, gaze on in slackjawed disbelief when indeed, the interviewer - some semi-youthful cultural illiterate - all but admits to knowing nothing about human relations, again and again.
Your mistake is that you believe the interviewer to be "an educated person". I suppose it all depends on what the definition of "educated" is...
Hello, birtherism again, now for the voting ... citizen or not or how, when.
Americans , if not woke are waking up.
Bodes well for future of nation.
I didn't watch the clip (nor scroll through comments), but if she's not a resident, then how could she vote?
I get that it requires more than being a resident to vote, but you have to have a residence in the US in order to register to vote. Without the residence, what ballot would you vote? There is no "You get to vote for President/Vice President only" ballot. You reside somewhere, you register to vote their, if you're also a citizen you get to vote, and then you vote on a ballot tailored to your place of residence.
In short, from the quotes, she seems to clearly understand the problem. But yeah, Kimmel does a great job of not understanding, intentionally or not, basic things.
Leland: "I didn't watch the clip (nor scroll through comments), but if she's not a resident, then how could she vote?"
Just live in any Blue state.
Easy peasy.
They may even let you vote more than once...
"Dual citizenship is never recognized in the US."
Are you sure of that? And what significance does that even have?
My best friend is a dual American/Canadian citizen. As long as Canada recognizes he's a Canadian citizen, what difference does it make if America does not?
Or is it that she's playing her Irishness very heavily and doesn't want to be thought of as American?
You mean like Obama?
Cook: "As long as Canada recognizes he's a Canadian citizen, what difference does it make if America does not?"
I think the fact that Canada thinks it's a country is adorable.
Brooklyn was my favorite movie of that year and I loved her in it. I liked her in Lady Bird although I didn't like the movie as much as I did Brooklyn.
Professional lady said...(9:34 AM)
I loved "Brooklyn" too and I want to see "Ladybug." We just saw "Maudie" last night with Ethan Hawke and Sally Yates.
Not that Sally Yates!?
My best friend is a dual American/Canadian citizen. As long as Canada recognizes he's a Canadian citizen, what difference does it make if America does not?
99.99% of the time it makes no difference at all. But if caught spying, a dually would be a traitor, not a foreign infiltrator. In some cases it might make a difference with respect to extradition. If you were drafted to serve in the military in a war against "your other country" you couldn't claim some sort of objection based on not wanting to fight your countrymen. Also, you don't want to try to re-enter the US using your other passport.
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Taxes? As a US citizen, unless renounced, I believe she could have significant US tax obligations regardless of other countries' claims on her. The nonresident comment may in fact be well scripted as nonresidents do get some advantageous treatment.
Everything you watch on television (with the exception of some sports events) is heavily curated, tailored, manipulated and redacted. Everything.
"I think the fact that Canada thinks it's a country is adorable."
What about Canada causes you to presume to be so condescending about it?
"What about Canada causes you to presume to be so condescending about it?"
Because they elected Prime Minister Zoolander.
My main problem with Canada is the Canadians I've encountered. When it comes to the State they've all had a servile, New Tory attiitude that might remind one of Robert Cook.They always seem amazed at how many aspects of life in the US, despite the best efforts of Red Diaper Barry and other State-shtuppers, remain in the private sector. "Why don't you Yanks trust your ruling class more, like we do?" No wonder they elected Castro fan "Zoolander" to be their head of state.
On the other hand, in his very interesting book "Inventing Freedom," about the roots of the Anglosphere's libertarian tradition, Daniel Hannan, points out ways that Canadians remain part of that tradition; so maybe it's just that I've had the misfortune to encounter only the most servile of Canadians.
Also I always think of Canada as the colony that could have joined us in the "Lower Thirteen" in rebelling against King George III, but decided to stay home instead. "Liberty--is it really worth the trouble? We'd rather submit." You can see why Robert Cook would have a soft spot for them.
Ok Drago; how could she lawfully vote? My point is he statement is a valid issue with the right to vote, if not the only hurdle to overcome.
BTW, I voted today! Texas Primary early voting.
Sorry Unknown - I meant Sally Hawkins. Too much on my mind lately. Anyway, the first time I voted in an election, I made a pretty stupid choice. But I was just a kid.
Mel Gibson was born in New York too.
Saoirse is a great name, it was #18 in Ireland and it can be mispronounced in so many ways
Sawhorse Ronin! What's the problem?
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