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January 31, 2018
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 432 of 432It's quite the little drama, isn't it?
We are in the arena of politics with the Mueller investigation and the investigation by Nunes' committee. If Mueller can show convincing evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians, Trump is probably gone, even if what he did was completely legal.
If Nunes can show that Obama's JD targeted Trump, then Hillary, Obama, and Obama's JD will get dirt on their noses, even if the targeting was legal.
By this I mean, even if the FISA warrants were technically on the up & up because they targeted Trump associates rather than the man himself, it will be very bad for the Obama's JD and the FBI if Nunes' can make a convincing argument that the real target was Trump.
Can't wait to read the Nunes and Schiff memorandums.
I also want to say that I have been right about everything involved in the Russian Investigation for over a year.
Inga and adSs and ARM have been wrong. About everything.
Every single thing.
Still no apology for supporting the Obama regime spying on political opponents.
Whats a "con corridor"?
Anyway, re the relative virtue of anyone in senior leadership in the DOJ or FBI (and all the others). And their incentives.
The problem with an org with highly compromised senior leadership, where the boss and some of his cronies have been black hats, is that everyone else is tainted, as in they all knew. Or they fear that others will think they knew. So they all have an incentive for omerta. The prisoners dilemma, sort of, but worse.
But once they have committed to omerta they are out of personal options, they can't sing without admitting to collusion. The time to sing is long past, it was the moment they knew about the black hattery. Even if the times would have been personally bad for whistle-blowing. Even if they were personally "clean". This sort of thing makes everyone dirty.
"They think it is OK to spy on political opponents"
So, the person(s) who was (were) caught up in the surveillance was (were) notable/importat part(s) of the DJT campaign?
See how this ends, Ach?
[Some times I wonder why things seem ta go my way (in real life, i.e. not these tubes), other times I realize that it's cause I think pretty good. IMHO.]
buwaya, that's Spanish for 'with corridor'
you are welcome, amigo.
So, the person(s) who was (were) caught up in the surveillance was (were) notable/importat part(s) of the DJT campaign?
No, adss.
He's saying that your team thought that.
Keep up
Liver,
It's a DJT quote.
Usually I would just chortle behind the scenes, but in this situation I think you may be teachable.
BTW, I'm still not filling in the proverbial dots. Do it your own Fing self. Or, more likely, don't figure it out. Not that there's anything wrong w/ that.
Carry on.
[BTW, hopefully others are noting when a 'snatch' is appropriate.]
Obama spied, Clinton colluded, the DNC denied the nomination to the Jew, and JounoLists from the Fourth Estate came tumbling after. In light of the Left's religious/moral doctrines of redistributive change, retributive change, color diversity (i.e. denial of individual dignity), and abortion rites (i.e. denial of lives deemed unworthy), this is bad optics at best.
That said, it should be interesting to see what canary will be selected next. Also, to what degree there are overlapping and convergent interests between the two major parties.
#SheKnew #SheProgressed
Manafort was indicted for actions he took long before Trump announced his candidacy, anti-de Sitter space. No one has yet been able to say what specific crime Mueller is investigating.
The people in his campaign were pawns in the attempt to back door surveil.Trump.
The fact of the matter is the warrant was based on a bogus dossier paid for by Hillary and fed to her rabid supporters in the Deep State. They know how courrpt she was and she would not disrupt their empire. As long as she got the money and the power they had a free hand.
This was the worst kind of interference in the political process by supposedly non-Partisan intelligence officials. They need to be prosecuted.
Trey would be the perfect special prosecutor.
Here's my guess: the Nunes' memo will make it appear that the FBI & Obama's JD were targeting Trump, an oppo political candidate. Schiff's memo will suggest that Trump is so extraordinarily wicked, the FBI and Obama's JD had to do these things to keep America safe.
The meta is that Schiff is on defense. He would be happier with no release of the Nunes memo than with a release of the Nunes memo + a Schiff rebuttal memo.
I am not making a prediction. It's a guess that I think fits the facts as we peons know them.
This is an Allen Drury novel IRL.
Granted, this writer does better characters.
Drury could never have written Trump.
What mere human could?
But he, the writer, the maestro, is making me wonder a bit about his pacing. I may have to bring that up at confession I guess. Can't rush God.
I like to point people to this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html
Note the topic and the date. I do not believe that the FBI knew any more about Trump's Russian connections in January 2017 than they knew on November 1, 2016. The evidence they had on Nov. 1 2016 led to the Times headline "Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia."
The difference between November 1, 2016, and January 2017 is that on Nov. 1, 2016, no one in the FBI or the MSM believed that Trump had a chance in Hell of winning.
Lewis,
Presumably the mostly silence from the M operation is a good thing.
And, I would also say that the opposite of M decorum and seriousness that has been exhibited (repeatedly) by Nunes et. al. will, in the end, fall away.
So, for me, the verdict is out.
For some reason the POV of seeing Nuners as a POS is persona non grata re being a loyal con/R.
Ok, under most circumstances this would be a D v R thing. But here the Fing DJT Rs are saying Nunes is full of shit (as he's been shown to be before).
Fuck.
This is an amazing opportunity for Rs to call a spade a spade re Nunes and instead put bluster behind the IG report. But, most folks don't even grasp that these are two distinct documents. And, all of this will deep six the SOTU (which was, essentially, the only real communication win).
Anywho, I wish I was more poor. I think that would make me feel less like an asshole. Normal people don't get it. And I don't get why.
You think, yur on track to be rich? Or, you think the Muslims or Black or Mexicans will harm you, financially or physically?
What about data v anecdotes?
I dunno.
I didn't vote for Trump, PB&J.
I voted for Daryl Castle, Constitution Party. I am a registered independent. My preferred policies would weaken the federal government and empower the states.
Lewis,
These thread are full of many of us (incl me) stating that we didn't vote for either main party candidate, but we did vote. E.g., I can't think of a declared HRC voter.
IMHO DJT is a POS who's POV should be opposed.
Just as I know that our economy can be fueled by sentiment and optimism as well as the underlying fundamentals, I know that out country can be F-ed by an economically hedonistic POV, regardless of the underlying principles.
E.g., of course we could liquidate our nation's assets to maximize current output. That's not Deal Art, that's sabotage (if not treachery). That's what desperate countries do re minerals, gems, etc. It's odd that cons want to make us a shithouse when they don't want (black) shithouse folks to come here.
Think.
I didn't hate Obama as much as you seem to hate Trump, PB&J. Obama was just a popinjay. It's our wannabe ruling class that I hate. We aren't supposed to have an aristocracy in the United States.
Obama was loved by the Dems & about a fourth of GOP'rs.
As far as I can tell. Trump is hated by all of the Dems, and half the GOP'rs.
Yet Trump is in the White House and the DJIA is 26,000+.
We feel better & more secure when we think we know what the future holds, but the future is always an unknown country. I've seen the future change three or four times in my lifetime.
Lewis,
I know people (hardcore Rs) who have worked w/ and around DJT, they all say he is a swindler POS.
I don't hang w/ community organizers, presumably those folks would have an insider perspective re BHO.
The hardcore R's haven't been able to elect a president since '84. Maybe they need to learn from the world rather than try to instruct the world.
But I suppose it matters what kind of hard core R they are. Republicans are a venn diagram with evangelical, nationalist, and capitalist nodes. They don't overlap all that much because it is hard to be an evangelical, a nationalist, and a capitalist at the same time.
“They don't overlap all that much because it is hard to be an evangelical, a nationalist””, and a capitalist at the same time.”
Ha.
The three legg stool is now a single. Prosperity gospel.
Everybody likes money. Bribery is better than a demand to obey, isn't it? I'd rather get money from Trump than disdain from Obama.
So, what does Trump offer to each of the three legs of the stool?
The evangelicals get a political state less eager to regulate their religious practice.
The nationalists get America first!
The capitalists get a lower tax rate & less economic regulation.
We'll see if that's enough to hold the stool together.
A more interesting question is: if Trump is "giving" these things to his base, who is he taking them from?
-Crazy SJW's who believe a boss telling his secretary that she has nice tits is literally a federal crime.
-People who like foreigners (who can't vote) more than they like their fellow Americans (who can vote).
-People with the odd idea that corporate taxes are paid out of executive pay & dividends rather than the price paid for goods & services.
So, according to this, the reason we can't have secure borders is because the Dems represent the interests of foreigners & the GOP represents the interests of dollars.
“If you want people to stop coming, cut off the magnet. If they can’t get a job... and E-Verify virtually guarantees it... people won’t come and some will go home,” said one San Diego agent.
This provision, however, is a deal killer for Democrats because it cuts off money and jobs for existing illegal immigrant families. It’s also a deal killer for the GOP because agribusiness, meatpackers, restaurants and hotels say they would suffer massive job losses if their illegal workers were forced to have their identities checked through a homeland security database.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/30/trump-s-border-wall-prototypes-virtually-impassable-pass-rigorous-testing.html
If e-Verify causes all of those terrible things to come to pass, then increase legal immigration under the controls of our duly elected governmnent.
"IMHO DJT is a POS who's POV should be opposed."
You're against the rule of law?
"Just as I know that our economy can be fueled by sentiment and optimism as well as the underlying fundamentals,"
Um. No. The market place doesn't give a shit about your virtue.
"I know that out country can be F-ed by an economically hedonistic POV, regardless of the underlying principles."
Please explain economic hedonism. I think I may be doing it wrong.
"E.g., of course we could liquidate our nation's assets to maximize current output. That's not Deal Art, that's sabotage (if not treachery)."
Not sure what you're going for here, but econ101 might help.
"That's what desperate countries do re minerals, gems, etc. "
No. Countries exchange resources they have for resources they don't have.
"It's odd that cons want to make us a shithouse when they don't want (black) shithouse folks to come here."
Put the bottle down.
Drury, did get the nature of the times, the agita around trump reminds me of mccarrys mallory
Anywho, I wish I was more poor. I think that would make me feel less like an asshole. Normal people don't get it. And I don't get why.
Does anyone understand, relate to, or appreciate the remarks of PBJ/shiloh, currently pos(t)ing as "anti-de Sitter space," or feel anything but unclean when vainly trying to process his, yes, jabber?
(Gibbering, PBJ, if you want a new word to grind on. But these words do not apply to normal speech or discourse, but to the incoherent counterfeit with which you attempt to substitute or drive out coherence from this blog a la Gresham's Law.)
Your problem is that events, reality, are against you, so you have begun to add in actual Left-supporting content, however false and otherwise worthless, to your cackle. But you can't or won't give up the incoherent style.
So happily, everybody except the Wetzels of the world, i.e. the slow ones, can either ignore you entirely, or proceed (a la Monty Python) directly to Abuse, which in your case is more to the point than Argument.
So, carry on wasting your own time, and very little of others'. You're not saying anything trenchant, and if you are it's immured in your word salad, so your fangs are drawn and instead of a Rottweiler savaging the foe, as you doubtless imagine yourself, you are as a toothless old Pomeranian whose yapping and gumming are merely cute.
Treasure your local independent hardware stores. True Americana. When I hear the liberal rants about it never being easier to get a gun, I drift back in time before pictured ID to a local hardware where the rifles and shotguns were behind the sales counter hovering above the piles of ammo below. In Detroit, of all places, in a black neighborhood and city homicides were very low. Good times! Real good times!
anti-de Sitter space said...
"They think it is OK to spy on political opponents"
So, the person(s) who was (were) caught up in the surveillance was (were) notable/importat part(s) of the DJT campaign?
See how this ends, Ach?
I used to hunt people down by their cell phones. I know what these people were doing and how.
It is one thing to go though peoples communications in Afghanistan/Iraq hunting Haqqani/Taliban. But doing it on political opponents puts you in a different category of enemies than mere political opponent. These people are trying to overturn the election because they don't like the outcome.
The people trying to remove Trump are performing a coup.
The people supporting the coup are involved in a civil war on our country.
There are two options.
One is the people who tried to attempt the coup are universally castigated and removed from polite society. They are jailed/executed and we all carry on with the common belief that we are a Republic ruled equality under the law.
The other is where a group goes to any extent possible to remove someone lawfully elected because they do not share a common belief in the Republic or the rule of law. That is civil war.
Blogger Bad Lieutenant said...
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So happily, everybody except the Wetzels of the world, i.e. the slow ones, can either ignore you entirely, or proceed (a la Monty Python) directly to Abuse, which in your case is more to the point than Argument.
Nooo! I are not slow!
I just has a speech impediment.
My dear Wetzel, you voted for someone or something called the Darryl Castle of a Constitution Party, or whatever. You, sir, am slow, and if you didn't change your name, there am someone else who did, and he are slow too. Nice, perhaps, and with blessable hearts, but slow. The taking shiloh seriously is just icing on the proof.
So, Looey, your position is that people with double-cleft palates shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Fascist.
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