November 21, 2017

"Some have argued that there would be no #MeToo moment if Donald Trump had not been elected, even after being accused of various forms of misconduct, from groping to rape."

"But in recent weeks several of Trump’s accusers have said that while they’re happy sexual harassment is being discussed more openly, they’re still dismayed that their own stories seem to have had little impact. Some have continued speaking out, hoping that away from the chaos of the election, people might be more ready to listen to their accounts. A defamation suit filed by Summer Zervos, one of the accusers, has also opened up the possibility that they’ll get their day in court. But for now, Trump seems entirely unfazed by the allegations hanging over him. Press Secretary Sarah Sanders confirmed last month that it is the White House’s official position that every single one of the women is lying, and Trump has not shied away from condemning alleged sexual harassers (if they’re Democrats)."

From "What Happened to the 16 Women Who Accused Trump of Sexual Misconduct," by Margaret Hartmann in New York Magazine. Hartman lists the 16 women, their allegations, and what's happened since the allegations were made, but does not examine why — as so many others take massive hits and lose their jobs — Trump remains relatively unscathed. So let's talk about that. Let me get the conversation started with a few ideas. I'm not endorsing any of these theories, just putting them on a list of things you might want to consider:

1. The election worked as absolution. We factored in the allegations — giving them whatever weight we thought right — and they haven't really changed since the election, so the election is like a final judgment in a court case. As a political matter, we move on and get on with our life.

2. Since Trump is the President, we need him to carry out his duties. We especially want to put these accusations in the past, because we see the dangers of complicating his life. He's been chosen to shoulder the difficult tasks of the presidency, so leave him alone. Let him move forward.

3. Those who want to complicate his life probably didn't vote for him and would be happy to take him down now. Every time there's another Harvey Weinstein or Charlie Rose, they want to talk about Trump the sexual harasser again, but to those who've supported Trump or who want to respect the results of the election and not add to the difficulty of Trump's presidential tasks, they seem to be relitigating the election.

4. Many of the new targets of allegations are people who had seemed to be male allies of the women's movement, and it's the lying and the hypocrisy that bothers us the most. The accusations against Trump seem only to reinforce what we already saw on the surface of Trump: brash exuberance, wanting plenty of good things for himself, excitement over beautiful women, impoliteness. The new allegations don't take us back to the Trump allegations because Trump wasn't accepted as an ally of feminism. He seems to represent the old school, male chauvinism. That's a different category and not what we're paying attention to right now.

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Unknown said...

“Days after President Clinton admitted to having an inappropriate relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, Trump said Clinton was a “victim” and critiqued the physical appearances of various women with whom Clinton had been accused of having extramarital relations at different times.

“It’s like it's from hell, it's a terrible group of people,” Trump said in an interview with FOX News' Neil Cavuto on Aug. 19, 1998.

Asked by Cavuto if Clinton’s image as a “quasi-sex symbol” stood to somehow benefit from the alleged extramarital relations, Trump took issue with the characterization.

“I don't necessarily agree with his victims, his victims are terrible,” Trump said.“He is really a victim himself. But he put himself in that position.”

“The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical," he said.

“Would it be any different if it were a supermodel crowd?” Cavuto then asked.

“I think at least it would be more pleasant to watch,” Trump replied.

Trump suggested that Clinton could have avoided the public relations fallout that followed his admission of "inappropriate" relations with Lewinsky had he stayed silent on the topic altogether, rather than initially denying the reports of an sexual relations only to later admit to a relationship.

“It's a shame, it's really a shame,” Trump said. “I've watched all my life politicians in New York, something gets brought up on them. I don't talk about my personal life. So what are you going to do? I don't talk about personal life.”

“They've taken nothing and made it a big monster,” Trump said in reference to the Lewinsky scandal. “I mean they've made Watergate out of really what should've been nothing.”

“I don't know if that's a good thing in terms of what Starr has done or a terrible thing, I think it's a terrible thing, actually,” Trump added, presumably referring to the former Whitewater independent counsel who expanded his investigation into the Lewinsky affair.

As far as his personal opinion of Clinton, Trump gave Clinton a strong rating.

“I think he's terrific. I think the guy's terrific. I just hate the way he tried to get out of this mess,” Trump said.

“In terms of myself, I love him as a president because business has been great, the economy's been booming. We have to give him credit,” he said.“

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flashback-donald-trump-called-bill-clintons-accusers-terrible/story?id=42686582

Earnest Prole said...

Just because you don't like Fen's law does not make it an inaccurate description of leftists.

Of course Fen’s law is an accurate description of leftists. The problem is that it accurately describes right-wingers as well, which makes it banal.

Drago said...

Inga from a day ago: Trump spends too much time responding to things.
Inga from today: Trump doesn't spend enough time responding to things.

LLR and "Accidental Leftist" Chuck could not have said it better.

Drago said...

Yesterday Inga: Trump is terrible when he attacks the clintons
Today Inga: Trump is terrible for agreeing with and supporting the clintons 20 years ago!

wwww said...

Emmett Till was killed 62 years ago. Try finding a 25 year old who didn't read about him in high school or college, and won't be seeing either the HBO miniseries or two movies about him. The aspects of the past that the left wants people to talk about get talked about.


ok. I'm not sure if the average high schooler or College student knows about Emmett Till or the Cold War or WWII. Larger point was be careful not to predict the reaction of the younger polity to sexual creepers in politics based on Boomer experience of Chapaquidick.

If they've never heard of Chapaquidick they don't feel the need to defend it.

Unknown said...

“Inga from a day ago: Trump spends too much time responding to things.
Inga from today: Trump doesn't spend enough time responding to things.”

Really? Why do you resort to lying when you’ve run out of arguments? Now go find quotes of mine saying what you assert.

buwaya said...

"ok. I'm not sure if the average high schooler or College student knows about Emmett Till or the Cold War or WWII. "

Emmett Till, yes indeed. One of many historical grievances emphasized in the usual (practical) curriculum. The students may not remember the name, exactly, but the story is ingrained.

WWII - The usual coverage in Californian High Schools extends to: The Japanese internment and Hiroshima. That's WWII.

Cold War - McCarthy and the Hollywood blacklist. If that, the US History class doesn't always get near the present day.

grackle said...

Egged on by the Bush boy, Trump made a general statement about groupies. Groupy pussies are frequently grabbed by those who they follow. And the groupies allow it and grab back. This is a fact of life of all that are rich and/or famous. It was a type of locker room talk that the Bush group managed to get on tape.

This and the fake Russian dossier is the work of the Bush family. It doesn’t bother me that the Pussy-grabbing tape was a setup because Trump’s remark was so obviously harmless. It was the worst they could get on him. And the dossier has been thoroughly debunked.

chickelit said...

How many were guillotiined before they got to Louis XVI?
Plus, we’re going to need the spectacle of an accuser losing her head before this runs it’s course.

Drago said...

Inga is going to now claim she has never complained about Trumps tweets.

LOL

Sounds an awful lot like Kennedy pitching his initial story about not being the driver of the car that killed MaryJo.

How appropriate.

Unknown said...

“Inga is going to now claim she has never complained about Trumps tweets.”

Oh my, you really are a dummy, sorry about that. I have never “complained” about Trump’s tweets, as a matter of fact while calling them infantile, I’ve said numerous times he should NOT ever quit tweeting. His tweets are a gift to those who oppose him and embarrass Republicans and himself.

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walter said...

Meanwhile in the broader gropeworld, anyone see the Nov 17th screening in Rockford of Everybody Has An Andy Dick Story ?
That title takes on new meaning in the current environment.
He also has a gofundme for a movie his son is directing called Hard Plastic, starring two Dicks: Andy and his daughter Meg.

buwaya said...

Also re WWII in Californian High Schools - The zoot suit riots of 1943 apparently matter more than the entire Pacific War.

Drago said...

Now Inga: "You resort to twisting, spindling, projection and outright lies."

Earlier Inga: Trump has admitted to being a sexual predator

LOL

Drago said...

buwaya: "The zoot suit riots of 1943 apparently matter more than the entire Pacific War."

Well, there is song about it. It helps if there is a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XlI_oqQCg

Michael K said...

WWII - The usual coverage in Californian High Schools extends to: The Japanese internment and Hiroshima. That's WWII.

Cold War - McCarthy and the Hollywood blacklist. If that, the US History class doesn't always get near the present day.


No, slavery is about half.

Maybe 2/3 of US History.

My daughter's college "US History Since 1877" included how the Plains Indians taught the settlers how to farm and "The Silent Majority:" was made up of white people who refused to accept the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Of course, Plains Indians were hunter gatherers and there was no mention of the Vietnam War or Nixon.

Those inconvenient facts don't matter because "Shut Up!"

Biff said...

In addition to number 4 and most of the number 5s suggested by other commenters, there is:

Trump fights.

Take him down, and he will take a lot of people with him, especially people on the left, but also people on the right. He has traveled extensively in the circles of powerful politicians and celebrities for decades. He knows a lot of things about how people have behaved or are quietly rumored to have behaved over the years, and he will not hesitate to use that knowledge if he is in danger of being taken down.

Drago said...

Inga, if you were smart, which you aren't, you'd delete alot more than just one comment.

Unknown said...

Drago, I’ve read your many comments over the years and it’s very clear now that you cannot make an argument based on the facts of the matter at hand. You resort to twisting, spindling, projection and outright lies. Don’t you realize that you rob yourself of credibility every time you do that, which is every time you address comments to liberals.

Now maybe you’d like to tell me again how much I supposedly love and support the Taliban.

You use guilt by association (or association perceived in your fevered mind) more than any commenter here, left or right.

mandrewa said...

grackle, it could be I'm mistaken, but I think the Russian dossier, aka the thing put together by a former British agent, was initiated and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Now the Fusion something company was initially hired by a probable Jeb Bush supporter, but that doesn't cover the period of time in which the 'Russian dossier' was put together, nor the period of time during which the Obama administration managed to persuade itself that it was legitimate for them to use federal agencies to secretly tape everyone in the Trump campaign.

Unknown said...

Drago, if you were smart, you’d shut up once in a while.

Drago said...

Inga: "Now maybe you’d like to tell me again how much I supposedly love and support the Taliban."

Your comments, and lack of comments in other areas, make it quite clear where you stand on islamist practices.

Drago said...

Inga: "You use guilt by association (or association perceived in your fevered mind) more than any commenter here, left or right."

LOL

Yes.

Inga just wrote that. Really.

Qwinn said...

Earnest Prole:

The only issue that I think leftists preach what they actually believe - the only issue in whicb Fen's Law doesn't dominate - is abortion. Baby killing is a religious sacrament. The ONLY foundational belief they have left.

Everything else is a lie meant to attain power.

Please share on which topics you think right wingers on this board don't really believe what they're saying.

Note that forcing leftists to also have to obey tbe rules they've forced on the rest of us is NOT Fen's Law in action.

Unknown said...

“Your comments, and lack of comments in other areas, make it quite clear where you stand on islamist practices.”

See what I mean?

Drago said...

Inga: "See what I mean?"

No, because I never asserted you were an islamist.

Logic. Its an actual thing.

Look into it.

Infinite Monkeys said...

That is how a sociopath thinks. No worries, they think they are smarter, faster, better...

You mean like the guy who said, “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”?

Annie C said...

I'm praying for you and yours Laslo.

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Unknown said...

Drago, my last comment to you in this thread as it’s running long again, I’m beginning to think you’re as “troubled” as poor Achilles. Your “logic” is most often illogical.

Drago said...

Unknown: "Drago, my last comment to you in this thread as it’s running long again, I’m beginning to think you’re as “troubled” as poor Achilles. Your “logic” is most often illogical"

Yeah, this is usually where you end up when your nonsense isn't playing well.

Bill Peschel said...

Interesting question, AA, so let me add my choice:

Many of these figures--Spacey, Rose, John Lassiter--are evicted from their position because they embarrassed people more powerful people.

That can happen to Trump as well, through impeachment.

Articles have been filed, and it's up to the Democrats to do what the GOP did to Clinton: Call for a special prosecutor and get the ball rolling.

But they haven't, and the media--Democratic operatives with bylines--haven't pushed the narrative. Why?

This is the "dog that didn't bark in the nighttime" clue. That opens up the following speculations:

1. The Democrats and their allies are moving the Overton window back toward "sexual assault is bad, mmmmkay?"

2. Once it's in place, they'll ask why Trump hasn't been included.

I don't think this is an actual plan, per se. Not like Obama's allies getting the judge to open the divorce papers that killed his opponent and sent Obama to the Senate. If they're discussing the idea, some Democrats are probably shitting themselves over the scenario that tosses Bill and Hillary over the site (with Biden as the anchor). Who's going to run for president then? Bernie? Warren? Maxine?

If another Obama-like figure gets traction in the press, expect the floodgates to open.

Drago said...

And, of course, as expected, Senator Pocahontas won't say whether she thinks Franken should resign.

LOL

Of course not.

Fens Law, over and over again.

Achilles said...

Unknown said...

You use guilt by association (or association perceived in your fevered mind) more than any commenter here, left or right.

Not one honest bone.

The most important thing leftists lie about is who they are.

Every single word you have said about Roy Moore is guilt by association. The fact that it is all based on false accusations is just a detail to this point.

buwaya said...

Good luck Laslo.

Drago said...

"If another Obama-like figure gets traction in the press, expect the floodgates to open."

Thats what all the trial balloons re: Michelle have been about.

Not to mention Kamala Harris' more explicit and overt moves.

Achilles said...

Unknown said...
“Your comments, and lack of comments in other areas, make it quite clear where you stand on islamist practices.”

See what I mean?

All one has to do is compare and contrast your comments about Muslims with your comments about Trump supporters.

chuck said...

> Boy, the lefties are on a rampage today.

It's a pretty good demonstration of why sane people don't take them seriously. Forget Ann's list, here we have actual data.

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Achilles said...

Earnest Prole said...

Of course Fen’s law is an accurate description of leftists. The problem is that it accurately describes right-wingers as well, which makes it banal.

I don't think you know what Fen's law is. Actually it is pretty clear you don't.

Drago said...

Achilles: "All one has to do is compare and contrast your comments about Muslims with your comments about Trump supporters"

ixnay hetey xplanationey otey hetey oronmey.

Let her figure it out for herself.

Qwinn said...

Unknown decries "guilt by association" after literally hundreds of posts alleging criminal guilt every single time anyone in Trump's orbit has even been in the same room with a Russian.

Hilarious.

Drago said...

Qwinn: "Unknown decries "guilt by association" after literally hundreds of posts alleging criminal guilt every single time anyone in Trump's orbit has even been in the same room with a Russian"

But, you see, those Inga comments were on days BEFORE today, and therefore, by Lefty Law (similar to LLR Law), cannot be used against her as she tries to make points today!

Everyone knows this! Even Charlie Rose!

tim in vermont said...

Trump has absolutely no self awareness

Once again, the choice was Hillary: Hillary Clinton Says That Trump Has ‘Disgraced’ His Office And The Sexual Assault Accusations Against Him Should Be Investigated - Headline.

Unknown said...

So many Kings of Ipse Dixit on these Althouse threads.

Drago said...

Of course, we won't know what the real truth is until Robbie Soave (whoever he is) provides his ruling from Olympus.

I'll be Charlie Sykes, the biggest big shotty big shot in all the Greater Milwaukee Talk Radio Market is ticked that he has lost his slot as The Authority We Must All Defer To to this slick writing Robbie Soave!

Drago said...

Inga decides now, after months of pushing the fake dossier, to lecture us about unproven assertions!

Why not just have Bill Clinton bop on in and lecture us about sexual assault while you are at it?

Drago said...

I wonder if Senator Pocahontas really does want Franken to resign but was afraid to say so publicly and was willing to speak with forked tongue for a bit to get out of a messy conversation?

Unknown said...

“Robby Soave is an associate editor at Reason.com. He enjoys writing about college news, education policy, criminal justice reform, and television. He is also a columnist for The Daily Beast and has penned articles for The New York Times, New York Post, CNN, USA Today, U.S. News & World Report, Newsweek, The Orange County Register, and The Detroit News. Forbes named him to the 2016 "30 Under 30" list in the category of law and policy.

Soave is perhaps best known for his early skepticism of Rolling Stone's investigative reporting on sexual assault at the University of Virginia. He won a 2015 Southern California Journalism Award for his commentary on the subject.

In 2016, Soave won the Alumnus of the Year Award at the International Students for Liberty Conference. He was also appointed to the D.C. Advisory Committee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

Soave is a 2017-2018 Novak Fellow at The Fund for American Studies.

He appears regularly on Fox News, CNN, and syndicated radio programs.”

http://reason.com/people/robby-soave/all

tim in vermont said...

f they've never heard of Chapaquidick they don't feel the need to defend it.

That's not the point, it's not about the Clintons either. They are done, Hillary just needs a wooden stake driven through her heart, because throwing her in a coffin and burying it apparently was not enough. But the point is that this is the same press that covered for them, the. same press today giving you your news.

The same press ignoring the Democrat in the Alabama Senate race running an ad praising the Confederate Army, when just a short while ago, when it served Democrat's interests, defending any type of honor for the Confederate dead made you an insensitive at. best, and Neo Nazi at worst, racist.

It's the same press. It hasn't changed.

Drago said...

Poor, poor Charlie Sykes.

I'll bet he didn't even get a heads up that he was losing his place to some young whippersnapper.

Let that be a lesson Charlie! The lefties will use you then throw you over in a heartbeat for some new guy who is willing to more effectively toe the party line.

tim in vermont said...

Had a Republican run that ad, you would be hearing about it 24X7. It is a partisan press, Do not trust it.

AReasonableMan said...

I can see why Althouse has been so reluctant to address the many skeletons in Trump's closet - liability issues. All the frantic finger pointing that these threads engender is sure to produce an injury at some point.

Unknown said...

This is your President, be proud.

“President Trump on Tuesday appeared to throw his support behind Roy Moore, despite allegations of sexual misconduct lodged against the Republican Alabama Senate candidate.

“We don’t need a liberal Democrat in the seat,” Trump told reporters on the South Lawn of the White House.

tim in vermont said...

He opposed him in the primary, Unknown.

tim in vermont said...

Why doesn't Trump support the racist Confederate Army lover? What's wrong with him? Gonna hurt his cred!

Drago said...

ARM: " All the frantic finger pointing that these threads engender is sure to produce an injury at some point."

Are sprained fingers really a cause for concern?

Not to worry. We still have obamacare at the low low premium rates of only about 778% of initial estimates! Of course, we didn't get to keep our doctors.

Because of the Russians, no doubt.

Drago said...

Unknown: "This is your President, be proud."

Okay.

Thanks.

AReasonableMan said...

"President Trump defended Roy S. Moore, the Alabama Republican Senate candidate accused of sexual misconduct with minors, saying on Tuesday that Mr. Moore “totally denies” the allegations against him."

So does Trump, so he knows what he is talking about.


Drago said...

TIV: "He opposed him in the primary, Unknown"

Yes, but that was BEFORE this morning, when history began anew.

Bruce Hayden said...

“The same press ignoring the Democrat in the Alabama Senate race running an ad praising the Confederate Army, when just a short while ago, when it served Democrat's interests, defending any type of honor for the Confederate dead made you an insensitive at. best, and Neo Nazi at worst, racist.”

And that the Dem candidate voiced support for tougher gun laws (while making the obligatory statement supporting the 2nd Amdt), Not something that will go down well with Alabama voters, which is why it has been ignored by most of the MSM (I.e. “Dem operatives with bylines”).

Unknown said...

“Yes, Tim Kaine is right. Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior.
Criminal behavior. Sexual assault.


And I agree with Soave that the problem goes beyond sex. It reveals an attitude about how to use power: If there is no external restraint, you can do anything.

You can't trust a person with power who doesn't have an internal moral core and who is not governed by self-restraint.”

Ann Althouse

tim in vermont said...

I remember just a couple. short weeks ago, when Althouse called Bill Clinton a rapist, lefty commenters pointing out that he had denied it. But that was then, some time around the battle of Thermopylae.

Qwinn said...

Unknown,

We've stated explicitly dozens of times that we don't believe Moore's accusers. We've posted at length as to why, and to all the inconsistencies in their claims, and the obvious timing issues, and the mall manager who said he was never banned from the mall, etc. We don't think he did it. At all. We think it's a bought and paid for political hit by the Left.

So why would we be ashamed of Trump for supporting him? Can you even articulate a reason? Or is begging the question all you're capable of?

tim in vermont said...

It's almost as if all of this falderal over the Confederate Flag was just so much noise that the Democrats didn't really believe! Kind of like their position on sexual harassment and even rape!

Drago said...

ARM: 'So does Trump, so he knows what he is talking about."

You are free to have your paid gals seek their day in court.

Drago said...

I wonder why the dems simply didn't use Fusion GPS to get payments to their fake sources against Moore when it was the go-to strategy to get Putins Pals inputs into the fake dossier?

I mean, why reinvent the wheel?

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
You are free to have your paid gals seek their day in court.


So this brings up an interesting question, are we satisfied with a president who is not a felon, at least not yet, or do we have somewhat higher expectations?

Darrell said...

We all know the charges are bullshit. They all came up after Hillary put out a call for women to come forward. You can get a nut like Fake-Inga to say that Trump fisted her in the street. Real people won't take that seriously. Maybe Chuck will come forward with that claim when he loses his remaining last nanogram of common sense.

AReasonableMan said...

So, we are going with denial then? Not a bad strategy, for this audience. May not play as well in wide release.

Drago said...

ARM: "So this brings up an interesting question, are we satisfied with a president who is not a felon, at least not yet, or do we have somewhat higher expectations?"

I certainly had higher expectations about the dems ability to lie about their opponents effectively.

For instance, I thought you and your pals had learned your lesson in Rathergate when you dumped the lies just a tad too soon.

Remember that? Why, you guys were still calling Bush a draft dodger and AWOL for years afterwards!

Timing. It really is everything.

madAsHell said...

Its like a herbicide applied to crops that are engineered to resist it, but it is deadly to weeds.

What's next? Painting lamb's blood on the door?

AReasonableMan said...

Nothing wrong here:

I wanted to slaughter Obama's pardoned turkeys

tim in vermont said...

So this brings up an interesting question, are we satisfied with a president who is not a felon, at least not yet, or do we have somewhat higher expectations?

Well, I did, but I was. forced to choose between Trump and Hillary.

Now in Alabama, the choice is a racist or pervert.

It's a kakistocracy, but, like in November, choose we must.

tim in vermont said...

Remember when J. Farmer used to write those screeds in defense of sex with underage 'women'? What happened to him, you would think he would weigh in here.

Drago said...

I'm having some difficulty taking anything the Fake Dossier pushers say seriously.

tim in vermont said...

Little Round Top, Gettysburg. Three times Col. William Oates of Alabama led the Confederate forces to take it. Running out of ammunition, Col. Joshua Chamberlain of Maine had his men fix bayonets to desperately repel the attack. What brought those two brave men, one from Alabama and one from Maine, together was war—two sides believing so strongly in their cause that they were willing to die for it...

OMG! Doug Jones said that there were "many fine people on both sides of the Civil War!" to paraphrase! Why isn't Trump supporting him!?!

Qwinn said...

Btw, I'm wondering when the movie and play Fiddler on the Roof will be declared Badthink for normalizing men two decades older than Moore supposedly was being set up with teenage women.

Bob said...

The fact that people don't recognize that we are in the throes of a mania is itself disturbing. Not to excuse gross behavior but we have jumped the shark about 40 moguls ago.

Unknown said...

“Nothing wrong here:

I wanted to slaughter Obama's pardoned turkeys.”

Maybe Trump should’ve just hired Russian hookers to pee on them instead.

tim in vermont said...

And, BTW, Sessions seems to have been misinformed re: Uranium One.

The memos, reviewed by The Hill, conflict with statements made by Justice Department officials in recent days that informant William Campbell’s prior work won’t shed much light on the U.S. government’s controversial decision in 2010 to approve Russia’s purchase of the Uranium One mining company and its substantial U.S. assets.

Campbell documented for his FBI handlers the first illegal activity by Russians nuclear industry officials in fall 2009, nearly an entire year before the Russian state-owned Rosatom nuclear firm won Obama administration approval for the Uranium One deal, the memos show.
- The Hill

Drago said...

ARM: "Nothing wrong here:"

Indeed. We are just days away from 46 million turkeys being consumed on Thanksgiving.

Of course, any turkeys that are consumed by Trump might as well be called Murder!

Do you know why Trump pardons turkeys on Thanksgiving? Because that's just what Putin wants.

tim in vermont said...

One Hundred and Forty Five Million fucking dollars Putin funneled to Hillary and Bill!

Drago said...

Early Inga: "So many Kings of Ipse Dixit on these Althouse threads."

11/21/17, 2:58 PM


Later Inga: "Maybe Trump should’ve just hired Russian hookers to pee on them instead."

11/21/17, 3:51 PM


LOL

Drago said...

tim in vermont: "One Hundred and Forty Five Million fucking dollars Putin funneled to Hillary and Bill!"

Between Hillary, the dems, the liberal/left base (like Inga and ARM), Putin got far more than his moneys worth!

Not to mention hard assets in uranium as well. Plus Syria!

tim in vermont said...

A "reasonable" man might have realized he was joking, but a partisan Democrat might not be able to see that. I don't think that the vast majority of Americans see it as anything other than a joke, but the partisan trolls here? Another story.

Meade said...

"A "reasonable" man might have realized he was joking"

I wonder if AReasonableMan even watched the video he himself linked to.

Drago said...

Meade: "I wonder if AReasonableMan even watched the video he himself linked to."

Not a chance.

But then, ARM just wanted the headline knowing that certain other commenters (hint hint Inga) wouldn't either and would just act like the voice actuated automatons they are.

From the article: "Before officially pardoning his first Thanksgiving Turkey, the Minnesota-bred Drumstick, on Tuesday,President Trump joked that he looked into revoking President Obama's turkey pardon from last year."

We know that those on the left consider obama "sort of a god" and a deity of sorts, a "lightbringer" if you will. It is hardly surprising that the lefties would consider any President making a joke at obama's expense to be an impeachable offense.

Humor Dies In Darkness.

Michael K said...

"Sessions seems to have been misinformed re: Uranium One. "

Doesn't he have to be awake to be misinformed?

Just asking.

Michael K said...

are we satisfied with a president who is not a felon, at least not yet, or do we have somewhat higher expectations?

Not if you voted for Hillary.

Big Mike said...

@Laslo, are you back yet? How'd it go? Hoping for the best.

Drago said...

Looks like John Lasseter of Pixar is next up for Team Inga.

He is apparently admitting something and taking a leave of absence.

So, you know what this means, don't you?

LLR Chuck will have to work overtime to minimize this damage AND Inga is likely to accuse North Dakota of being deplorable.

Francisco D said...

Inga,

That's not how a sociopath thinks.

As an ex-psych nurse, did you take any courses in psychology or were bedpans your speciality?

Qwinn said...

Here's one for Inga, the feminist who doesn't care what other feminists say. Teen Vogue columnist Emily Lindin:

"Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations."

https://twitter.com/EmilyLindin/status/933073784822579200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2017%2F11%2F21%2Fteen-vogue-columnist-not-at-all-concerned-about-innocent-men-and-false-harassment-allegations%2F


Given how pervasive this sort of thinking is on the Left, why should we believe even for a second that the Left would refrain from making false accusations against Moore and other Republicans? False accusations aren't even immoral as far as they're concerned.

Earnest Prole said...

I don't think you know what Fen's law is. Actually it is pretty clear you don't.

Fen's Law: The Left doesn’t really believe in the things they lecture the rest of us about.

Fen's Corollary: The Right doesn’t really believe in the things they lecture the rest of us about.

Earnest Prole said...

Please share on which topics you think right wingers on this board don't really believe what they're saying.

The topic at hand will suffice: Sexual harassment was a Bad Thing around here when Bill Clinton was the perp, but not Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, or Roy Moore.

Note that forcing leftists to also have to obey tbe rules they've forced on the rest of us is NOT Fen's Law in action.

Of course not. It’s Alinsky Rule 4, which I helpfully post here from time to time: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

Michael K said...

Sexual harassment was a Bad Thing around here when Bill Clinton was the perp, but not Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, or Roy Moore.

It was proven with Clinton. He was disbarred for lying. Blue dress made it truth.

Ailes and O'Reilly are plausible. There is no evidence of "harassment" with Moore.

Certainly if this had come out in the primary and not at the last minute when it would elect a Democrat and with the WaPoo as the vehicle, I would have accepted the plausibility.

Now, since then we have an example of forgery which discredits the whole story. The left is very willing to believe things about the other team that they fiercely defend when it is their team.

Drago said...

"The topic at hand will suffice: Sexual harassment was a Bad Thing around here when Bill Clinton was the perp, but not Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, or Roy Moore."

First of all, there is no doubt the Clinton stuff happened, was known to have happened, and an entire internal group was organized with Betsy Wright and Hillary to control the "bimbo eruptions".

I don't see or hear anyone defending O'Reilly or Ailes. Anywhere.

As for Moore, it's clear that 30 some odd years ago he flirted with young women and apparently probably thought nothing about asking 17 and 18 year olds out.

The 14 year old claim is not substantiated and its looking worse from the accuser perspective every day.

But, if your intent is to lump them all together, then go ahead.

Charles Manson, Leona Helmsley and Scooter Libby.

All exactly alike, right?

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
making a joke at obama's expense to be an impeachable


How was he making a joke at Obama's expense? Do you think Obama was heavily invested in the innocence of those turkeys? Were they campaign donors, or relatives of a trusted associate? Doesn't the joke tell us more about Trump? There's something wrong with that boy.

grackle said...

grackle, it could be I'm mistaken, but I think the Russian dossier, aka the thing put together by a former British agent, was initiated and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Here’s some info on that:

In October 2015, during the Republican primary campaign, The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website primarily funded by Republican donor Paul Singer, hired the American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates.

Notice that the Washington Free Beacon never saw fit to publish it on their own website. Singer is an old and trusted Bush supporter. They couldn’t get the dossier published elsewhere. Not even the MSM wanted to touch such an obviously fake anti-Trump wet dream.

So it was shopped around and Hillary bought it at a cost of millions and finally got it published in Mother Jones. Also, McCain got hold of the dossier and gave it to the FBI. The elite GOP started it, Hillary bought it, added to it and got it published. The anti-Trump DoJ and eGOP is using it to justify Mueller’s “investigation.”

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
Charles Manson, Leona Helmsley and Scooter Libby.

All exactly alike, right?


No. Scooters not dead.

AReasonableMan said...

grackle said...
Here’s some info on that:


Thank God. Over three hundred posts and no one had figured out how to redirect things back to hating on Hillary Clinton. You guys are a step slow today.

Qwinn said...

"The topic at hand will suffice: Sexual harassment was a Bad Thing around here when Bill Clinton was the perp, but not Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, or Roy Moore."

This example IS Alinsky's Rule 4, not the mirror image of Fen's Law.

Moore is defended because we think he is innocent, because the accusations are pretty much transparently bullshit. That doesn't speak to whether we agree harassment is a bad thing.

For the record, I don't think 32 year olds dating 16+ is some horrible crime anyway. Absolutely normal for most of human history (see Fiddler on the Roof). Hell, we just saw two people in France who slept with ELEVEN year olds be acquitted because France has no law against it. Yet what leftie doesn't want the US to be more like France? What leftie has complained about it? What leftist complained when Roman Polanski was celebrated for decades? THAT was actual rape. THAT is Fen's Law.

I don't recall any commenter here defending O'Reilly or Ailes, or even an analysis of whether the accusations against them were credible (I personally don't know), but maybe I just missed a day on the blog.

Drago said...

ARM: "Thank God. Over three hundred posts and no one had figured out how to redirect things back to hating on Hillary Clinton. You guys are a step slow today."

Ah yes. Straight from the Hillary Chronicles: Hillary, the poor poor innocent waif confronting vast right wing evil.

ARM is just keeping it Lefty Real yo!

Drago said...

Qwinn: "For the record, I don't think 32 year olds dating 16+ is some horrible crime anyway."

See: Jerry Seinfeld.

Qwinn said...

grackle:

Singer hired Fusion GPS, yes, but they did not create the Russian dossier until after Hillary took over. That was 100% Hillary and the Dems.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html


“All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to The Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that The Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,” they said. “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.”

Michael K said...

Whatever you do, don't tell Inga about this.

What was a genuine shock to many was the finding that in the vast majority of instances, it was female staff members who were targeting and exploiting the male teens in their custody.

The phenomenon -- a particularly unexamined corner of the nation’s long-troubled juvenile justice system – presents an array of challenges for those concerned about better protecting young people in custody:


Oh Oh.

AReasonableMan said...

Qwinn said...
Moore is defended because we think he is innocent


From the recent cavalcade of perverts, from Ailes to Trump to Weinstein, Moore does not seem the most obvious candidate for the local Innocence Project. There are a lot of accusers, with stories suggesting a consistent pattern of behavior.

Earnest Prole said...

I don't recall any commenter here defending O'Reilly or Ailes, or even an analysis of whether the accusations against them were credible (I personally don't know), but maybe I just missed a day on the blog.

I could link it for you, but then your google skills would atrophy further. Suffice it to say that for you, right-wing sexual offenders fall into the categories of "innocent" and "I don't know," while left-wing sexual sexual offenders fall into the category of "guilty."

AReasonableMan said...

I would take issue with Althouse's argument, that "The election worked as absolution." Trump's personal ratings collapsed after the election. Once stuck with Trump as president people became less interested in his symbolic value as a protest vote and more interested in his complete lack of character.

Drago said...

ARM: "Trump's personal ratings collapsed after the election. Once stuck with Trump as president people became less interested in his symbolic value as a protest vote and more interested in his complete lack of character"

Sure ARM. I'll bet that plays well in SOHO.

bgates said...

From Hysteria Boy's link:

“Sources tell me Moore was actually banned from the Gadsden Mall and the YMCA for his inappropriate behavior of soliciting sex from young girls,” the independent Alabama journalist Glynn Wilson wrote on his Web site on Sunday, declining to divulge sources

Yeah, there's a consistent pattern of behavior here, all right.

Drago said...

Earnest: "Suffice it to say that for you, right-wing sexual offenders fall into the categories of "innocent" and "I don't know," while left-wing sexual sexual offenders fall into the category of "guilty."

No, that does not suffice. Obviously.

And the rest of what you posted is a joke.

Other than that, spot on old boy.

Drago said...

The days of ARMs pals getting away with the vast army of unnamed sources asserting unverifiable and uncheckable "things" is long over.

Gone the way of the Dodo birds and "fake but accurate".

Oh what heady days those "fake but accurate" and "golden dossier" days were!

Earnest Prole said...

The intellectually honest righties around here are rhhardin, who doesn’t even acknowledge sexual harassment as a category, and buwaya, who says there’s no such thing as right and wrong because Lenin.

Unknown said...

“Fox News host Neil Cavuto is calling out President Donald Trump over his latest Twitter attacks.

Over the weekend, in separate tweets, Trump went after Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and LaVar Ball, the father of one of three UCLA basketball players arrested in China on shoplifting charges. Trump took credit for the players’ release, and when Ball refused to thank him, he tweeted that he “should have left them in jail.”

Cavuto wasn’t having it.

“Forget about either comment not being presidential,” he said. “At what point does the president see such remarks don’t even border on being human?”

Cavuto said Trump’s attacks are like “using a bazooka to respond to a pea shooter.”

Then, he really laid into Trump for demanding “gratitude bordering on groveling,” and urged him to pick his battles.

“Last time I checked, you are the president of the United States,” he said. “Why don’t you act like it?”

Cavuto has made headlines before for his stinging criticism of the president.

In October, he warned Trump over attacks on fellow Republicans, telling the president “you are running out of friends.”

And in June, Cavuto told the president to stop scapegoating the media.

“Mr. President, it is not the fake news media that’s your problem,” he said. “It’s you.””

Drago said...

Prole, you are in position to be determined the in the intellectual honesty of others after your performance today.

In the words of Gunny Foley, "sell it to the Air Force Mayo. Sell it to the Air Force."

Drago said...

Inga promotes Neil Cavuto from "Nazi/fascist" to A Voice That Must Be Heard!

Nicely done Neil.

Unfortunately, by tomorrow morning Inga will relegate you back to Fox News/Deplorable Nazi.

But for today, we celebrate!

AReasonableMan said...

Althouse said ...
they seem to be relitigating the election.


Is it relitigating the election to question whether Trump is a suitable person to be president? The presidency is a big deal in this country. The person who occupies the office of the presidency is normally subject to heightened expectations and heightened scrutiny. That Trump does not measure up well under this scrutiny doesn't count as relitigating but rather failing to meet reasonable expectations.

buwaya said...

Neil Cavuto, and Fox, are part of the "swamp".

Think of all the stories Cavuto, and Fox, missed.
Just as deliberately as all the news the NYT suppressed.

And what else does Cavuto know that he's not telling?

All of them lie, sometimes with words, but mostly with silence.

Unknown said...

“Here’s why special counsel Robert Mueller might investigate Ivanka Trump

The famous John Donne oeuvre warns “No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.” Nothing is more true than the investigation into possible collusion between Russia and President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. Special counsel Robert Mueller seems to be inching closer to Ivanka Trump.

As Mueller’s probe inches closer to Trump’s inner circle it also approaches his family. The recent guilty plea from George Papadopoulos indicates that Donald Trump Jr. may be incredibly vulnerable to prosecution.

Monday, CNN’s chief national correspondent, John King, called top Trump aide and Ivanka’s husband Jared Kushner “an octopus, in the sense that his tentacles seem to be everywhere.”

“He was at the so-called June 2016 meeting, he had a meeting with Ambassador Kislyak, there’s this alleged contact with WikiLeaks,” King said. “His tentacles are everywhere, his lawyer says it’s much ado about nothing.”

As Heather Digby Parton wrote, Ivanka Trump might be tweeting about Thanksgiving centerpieces, but Mueller’s investigation could be closing in on the Trump children, including her.

Last week, it was revealed that Ivanka used less than reputable tactics with a Brazilian broker to score a deal in Panama to establish the Trump Ocean Club. It was the first international hotel and the president called the project, Ivanka’s “baby.” The venture scored a success thanks to help from an alleged international fraudster, who has ties to money launderers and criminals from the former Soviet Union.

A 2014 project Ivanka handled was Trump Tower Baku in Azerbaijan. As The New Yorker reported in March, the project was partially funded by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and was a way the country’s government laundered money. Ivanka wasn’t just choosing centerpieces, she and the Trump Organization were heavily involved in every detail down to design and landscaping. Experts explained the deal was noteworthy because the overwhelming personal attention exposed the Trump Organization to legal concerns.

The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act prohibits American companies from making money from illegal overseas deals. Trying to pretend that one doesn’t know where the money is coming from isn’t an acceptable excuse. There have been people who’ve done similar things to what the Trump Organization did in Azerbaijan in recent years. They’re in jail now.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/heres-why-special-counsel-robert-mueller-might-investigate-ivanka-trump/

AReasonableMan said...

Althouse said ...
The accusations against Trump seem only to reinforce what we already saw on the surface of Trump: brash exuberance, wanting plenty of good things for himself, excitement over beautiful women, impoliteness.


This is not a fair characterization of the complaints about Trump. The problem with Trump is that he is something of a pig when it comes to women. Not as bad as Weinstein, worse than Franken, somewhere in the same neighborhood as Ailes. Ailes' behavior was not tolerable in a publicly traded company. Why is Trump's behavior acceptable for the office of the presidency?

Unknown said...

“But for today, we celebrate!”

Sure enjoy it while it lasts.

tim in vermont said...

Why is Trump's behavior acceptable for the office of the presidency?

I wouldn't have thought so either, but then the choice we were given was Hillary.

buwaya said...

It all justifies the very paranoid idea that no-one is permitted to rise in the mass media or politics without a flaw to serve as a "handle" for blackmail. Therefore any prominent person is by definition vulnerable to being brought down by a "scandal", else he would never have been prominent.

In some selected roles, also, it seems, only monsters need apply.

tim in vermont said...

Is it relitigating the election to question whether Trump is a suitable person to be president?

Um, yeah. After the election. Too bad you guys wanted to put a sex predator and his money-grubbing enabler in the West Wing during such an important election.

Unknown said...

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-pardon-turkey-pence-impeachment-718473

“President Donald Trump will perform one of his more relaxing ceremonial duties Tuesday when he conducts his first presidential turkey pardoning. Lucky turkeys named Wishbone and Drumstick this year will be given the opportunity to live out their days at a retreat rather than becoming meat. But could it soon be Trump who is in need of a presidential pardon?

Trump’s message on the Russia investigation has long been that it does not touch him personally and that, regardless, it will soon be over. But, as Thanksgiving approaches, reports suggest that special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe is ramping up and getting ever closer to the man in the Oval Office.

Mueller is pursuing an investigation into whether he sought to obstruct justice. In the coming weeks, Mueller’s team will be interviewing some of the president’s closest allies to get a fuller picture of what exactly his motivations were in firing James Comey as FBI director.”

tim in vermont said...

If Trump doesn't start any wars, he will outshine anything Hillary might have accomplished.

Unknown said...

Too bad you guys put a sex predator and his money-grubbing enablers in the West Wing.

tim in vermont said...

Mueller is pursuing an investigation into whether he sought to obstruct justice.

Yeah, because the Russian "collusion" thing didn't pan out, apparently, he wants to know if Trump interfered with an investigation that was pointless to begin with by firing the person who cost Hillary the election, supposedly, because he couldn't stop playing politics.

Unknown said...
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tim in vermont said...

Too bad you guys put a sex predator and his money-grubbing enablers in the West Wing.

He is not a war monger, like Hillary and Bill, so that breaks the tie.

Unknown said...

The sycophantization of poor Timmy is now complete, he has joined the Trump Borg with heart and soul.

Unknown said...

“Yeah, because the Russian "collusion" thing didn't pan out, apparently, he wants to know if Trump interfered with an investigation that was pointless to begin with by firing the person who cost Hillary the election, supposedly, because he couldn't stop playing politics.”

Have to wait to find out for sure. Obstruction may be the thing that brings him down in a much more serious way.

Earnest Prole said...

If you’re curious why your Dragomind always finds Republicans innocent and Democrats guilty, check out the interview with Scott Adams that Althouse posted a while back; it will introduce you to the concepts of confirmation bias (the human mind tends to find what it’s hoping to find) and cognitive dissonance (the human mind refuses to acknowledge information inconsistent with what it hopes to find).

Unknown said...

But really, why did he feel the need to so blatantly obstruct this investigation? Looks really bad for him. A very stupid thing for him to have done.

tim in vermont said...

he sycophantization of poor Timmy is now complete, he has joined the Trump Borg with heart and soul.

Remember Bill Clinton's little "wag the dog" war? Remember when he launched a pair of cruise missiles into Afghanistan, about a year and half before 9-11, not coincidentally.

Remember "We came! We saw! He died!" - HRC
Remember when her Clinton Foundation employee Sydney Blumenthal was advising her to escalate the war in Syria by backing rebels agains that country's sovereign government?

Remember the thousands of drowned refugees from Libya, fleeing her war? The farce that launch a thousand ships, that's our Hillary!

Remember the flood of refugees from her little civil war in Syria that flooded and destabilized Europe, led to Brexit, and bids fair to cost Merkel her job?

Why would anybody want the ham-fisted war monger anywhere near the Oval Office, even on a tour.

Unknown said...

“...it will introduce you to the concepts of confirmation bias (the human mind tends to find what it’s hoping to find) and cognitive dissonance (the human mind refuses to acknowledge information inconsistent with what it hopes to find).”

Drago worst hit.

tim in vermont said...

By the way, when Bill launched those missiles into sovereign Afghanistan, there was no state of war between our two nations.

tim in vermont said...

So far Trumps biggest crimes during the campaign, and while in office, seem to be the mockery of liberals, which he could let up on , I suppose, but I do enjoy it when he does it.

Unknown said...

“So far Trumps biggest crimes during the campaign, and while in office, seem to be the mockery of liberals...”

So far. Good way to give yourself an out when the shit hits the fan for Trump and associates.LOL.

tim in vermont said...

Comey, of course, admitted to illegal leaks. We will see where that goes.

Unknown said...

Look, if next election we have Satan himself appear on TV and endorse the Democrat, saying that Democrat X will faithfully implement Satan's plan of chaos, murder, mayhem, and destroying America... closing with "Vote for Satan! I mean, what else you gonna do--Make America great again?" we'd have Chuck, Inga, ARM and the gang telling us how Satan would be better than Trump.

I mean, from their point of view murder, mayhem, and abortion, when ordered by Democrats, is a-ok anyway, right?

We all know it.

--Vance

tim in vermont said...

Good way to give yourself an out

Unlike you, I don't pretend to know the future.

But hey! Did you read about Uranium One today in The Hill?

For instance, both Attorney General Jeff Sessions in testimony last week and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in a letter to the Senate last month tried to suggest there was no connection between Uranium One and the nuclear bribery case. Their argument was that the criminal charges weren’t filed until 2014, while the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States' (CFIUS) approval of the Uranium One sale occurred in October 2010.

“The way I understand that matter is that the case in which Mr. Mikerin was convicted was not connected to the CFIUS problem that occurred two to three years before,” Sessions testified to the House Judiciary Committee last week, echoing Rosenstein’s letter from a few weeks earlier.

But investigative records show FBI counterintelligence recorded the first illicit payments in the bribery/kickback scheme in November 2009, a year before the CFIUS approval.


My my my....

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/361276-fbi-informant-gathered-years-of-evidence-on-russian-push-for-us

But the same New York Times that vouched for sex predator Bill Clinton assures us that there is no scandal there.

n.n said...

Abortion, divergence, and diversity.

Death, dysfunction, and racism.

Drago said...

Earnest Prole: "If you’re curious why your Dragomind always finds Republicans innocent and Democrats guilty, "

LOL

Pointless.

Keep trying with the ARM schtick.

It isn't working for either of you.

FullMoon said...

Inga, I’ve read your many comments over the years

and it’s very clear now that you cannot make an

argument based on the facts of the matter at hand. You

resort to twisting, spindling, projection and outright lies.

Don’t you realize that you rob yourself of credibility

every time you do that?

Drago said...

Early Inga: "But really, why did he feel the need to so blatantly obstruct this investigation? Looks really bad for him. A very stupid thing for him to have done.

11/21/17, 6:01 PM

“...it will introduce you to the concepts of confirmation bias (the human mind tends to find what it’s hoping to find) and cognitive dissonance (the human mind refuses to acknowledge information inconsistent with what it hopes to find).”

Later Inga: "Drago worst hit."

11/21/17, 6:04 PM


It's like she can't stop herself.

Drago said...

Unknown: "The sycophantization of poor Timmy is now complete, he has joined the Trump Borg with heart and soul."

Comments from the Lefty Hive Mind.

Drago said...

Unknown: "Too bad you guys put a sex predator and his money-grubbing enablers in the West Wing."

Yeah.

A lefty dem actually wrote that.

Just now.

Michael K said...

The problem with Trump is that he is something of a pig when it comes to women.

ARM has secret information., Sort of similar to Inga's secret information about the Russians,

We are so fortunate to know these wise secret sharers,

AReasonableMan said...

Nothing secret, his own words are enough to know what you are dealing with.

Drago said...

ARM: "Nothing secret, his own words are enough to know what you are dealing with"

Nothing upsets a leftist more than knowing someone out there is on to their game and refuses to play it by the lefts rules.

Drago said...

Even never-Trumper Allahpundit is on to ARM/Ingas schtick:


"Isn’t it interesting that last week, when there was one accuser, the calls for Franken to quit were loudest. Now that there’s a second accuser, they’ve begun to quiet down. You would think it’d be the opposite.

It’s almost as if the initial “Franken must go” stuff was disingenuous, a cry that was safe to make when it was most likely to go unheeded. After CNN’s report on what Franken allegedly did seven years ago at the Minnesota State Fair raised the odds of more misbehavior surfacing, this is no longer an easy opportunity to virtue-signal."

Time for the lefties to change the subject back to Trump.

The easy lefty virtue-signalling phase of Operation War On Women II is over.

tim in vermont said...

The sycophantization of poor Timmy is now complete, he has joined the Trump Borg with heart and soul."

You could help me out by pointing out mistakes, factual and logical, as I make them!

And yes, Trump is something of a pig, but I am hoping he keeps his promise of not starting any wars. A promise that no president has been able to keep in quite a while. Hillary's track record suggests that she was not a good bet in that area.

Unknown said...

http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-mueller-jared-kushner-russia-investigation-witnesses-2017-11

“President Donald Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner has reportedly landed in Mueller's crosshairs.
Mueller's team has begun to question witnesses about some of Kushner's conversations and meetings with foreign leaders during the transition.
Investigators are also homing in on Kushner's role in pushing Trump to fire former FBI Director James Comey in May.
Special counsel Robert Mueller is turning up the heat on President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, as he examines potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, and whether Trump obstructed justice when he fired FBI Director James Comey in May.

Mueller's team has reportedly questioned witnesses about some of Kushner's conversations and meetings with foreign leaders during the transition, when he famously hosted former Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak at Trump Tower and asked whether it would be possible to set up a backchannel line of communication to Moscow.”

Qwinn said...

I'm old enough to remember when, a week before liberals were all outraged that Trump fired Comey, liberals were all outraged that Trump hadn't fired Comey yet.

grackle said...

Singer hired Fusion GPS, yes, but they did not create the Russian dossier until after Hillary took over. That was 100% Hillary and the Dems.

Of course the Free Beacon would say that, once the dossier has been exposed as a grimy piece of bullshit. The NYT are merely quoting them. Believe them if it makes you feel better.

grackle said...

Investigators are also homing in on Kushner's role in pushing Trump to fire former FBI Director James Comey in May.

Is it against the law for an advisor to a POTUS to advise that the POTUS fire an insubordinate employee? Or is the bullshit getting too deep to wade through?

grackle said...

Why is Trump's behavior acceptable for the office of the presidency?

Because Trump won the election. He is the duly elected President of the United States of America and as such he defines what behavior is “acceptable.” That’s why.

Qwinn said...

"Of course the Free Beacon would say that, once the dossier has been exposed as a grimy piece of bullshit. The NYT are merely quoting them. Believe them if it makes you feel better."

So, you can't actually cite any evidence for your claim at all, and are just making stuff up.

The heads of the DNC have denied any knowledge of the Steele dossier (would you expect otherwise?), but no one else on the Left or in the media seems to be arguing this point. Why would you do it for them?

Hillary's law firm, Perkins and Cole, has admitted to funding the dossier. They only did so under the threat of lawsuit.

grackle said...

So, you can't actually cite any evidence for your claim at all, and are just making stuff up.

It’s public knowledge that the Free Beacon started the dossier. And they admit it. What am I making up?

The heads of the DNC have denied any knowledge of the Steele dossier (would you expect otherwise?), but no one else on the Left or in the media seems to be arguing this point. Why would you do it for them?

I have no idea of what the commentor is driving at. I’ve never argued any “point” about the DNC on this thread.

Qwinn said...

No, grackle, it is not common knowledge tbat the Free Beacon funded the dossier. Literalyy dozens of articles have been published about Perkins and Cole initiating the relationships that led tothe dossier. Singer and FB were quits with Fusion GPS by April. Everything regarding the dossier came after that.

Qwinn said...

And the "point" I was referring to was that Hillary funded the dossier via Perkins and Cole under the fig leaf of "legal fees" (which itself was criminal IMHO). Perkins and Cole was also the law firm of the DNC and it is implausible that they weren't involved but both Wasserman Schultz and Perez deny any knowledge. No one I know of bas disputed that Hillary funded it entirely though, not even our resident leftist. Not the media, nobody. Where you've gotten the idea that Free Beacon funded the dossier, I don't know, but the link you posted certainly doesn't assert it. I think you just jumped to that conclusion.

Qwinn said...

Did a bit of research and discovered I remembered wrong, the media DID, for a while, try to claim Republicans funded it, but that was debunked as fake news so thoroughly and often that I haven't heard it since. It was debunked so quickly (ABC News, the Daily Caller, etc.) That I forgot tbey did claim that for a couple of days that they stopped trying. Just google "did republicans fund trump dossier", you should see plenty of the debunkings. Steele wasn't hired until June.

Unknown said...

> This is what happens when power is unchecked.

By far the greatest concentration of power is in the US government. Any thoughts on how to check that?

> “You have to change the way people interact with each other,” ... It’s complex and it takes a committed upper level management to make it happen.”“

So if we politicize the workplace, the Big Boss can take the place of mommy and daddy in controlling behavior?

Good to know where we are going, thank you.

Unknown said...

> > "Why don't you spend a little time and look them up and read their humiliating experiences with predator Trump

Ok. Is Chris Christie on the Trump humiliation list? Hillary?

> Jessica Drake (2006)

That has to be my favorite "accuser" that Allred dug up to win Team Hillary the woman vote by smear.

Nothingburger story, they *never connected* by her account.

but if trump wanted to check her out, he should rent one of her 350 porn movies.

His angel is a centerfold x 350

grackle said...

No, grackle, it is not common knowledge tbat the Free Beacon funded the dossier.

I wonder … is a NYT article “common knowledge” enough? Not for the commentor, apparently. Here’s Wiki's take:

According to an October 27, 2017 article in the New York Times and many other media outlets, the initial sponsor of anti-Trump opposition research conducted by the controversial Washington D.C. firm Fusion GPS was The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political journalism web site" that is "funded in large part" by Singer.

The NYT article is here.

All I’ve speculated about is the Bush connection and that was because the Billy Bush tape has an obvious Bush connection (Billy was fired for leaking the tape without permission) and a long-time Bush supporter (Singer) who started the ball rolling on the dossier was another. And of course, Low Energy Jeb and his family have obvious reasons to want revenge. The Bush family has been a prime component of The Swamp for many years.

The rest of the stuff the commentor focuses on (the DNC, Perkins and Coie, Wasserman Schultz and Perez, etc.) is interesting but nothing that I’ve bought up.

I’ll leave it to the readers to visit the links and judge for themselves …

Bad Lieutenant said...

worse than Franken

Bullshit, patently.



Now emergency cardiologist visit

Laslo, we're all pulling for you, get well soon.

Laslo Spatula said...

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

Went in to the Endocrinologist this morning to see where things stood after my radiation treatment four weeks ago. Better, but still tremors, etc. Now need to see ophthalmologist because the Grave's Disease is damaging my eyes.

Anyway: doctor takes my pulse, listens to my heart. Says I need an EKG. I say okay, I'll schedule it. She replies no, you need it now.

Get the EKG, my heart is skipping beats. She confers with cardiologist at another office; I am told I need to see a cardiologist immediately, or go to the ER.

Luckily, get the cardiologist appointment. Turns out I am in Afib. Not new to me -- had an echocardiogram back in April because of it. Problem is, that was just for screwy heart rates and to diagnose a valve issue. The skipping beats this time is a problem because the blood during the skipped beat can pool and form a clot, pump it out and cause a stroke.

After tests I am Ok for now; more tests next week. Along with another neurologist appointment, because it looks like I have damage from my latest concussions earlier this year.

All in all, could've been a lot worse, and thankful for the care. But if I was a used car I would not buy me.

I am Laslo.

FIDO said...

So when Roy Moore wins the election in Alabama, it will absolve him too. Nice precedent Trump set, huh? What does this say about the character of the people who think this way?

I believe the precedent you are looking for is that of one William Jefferson Clinton.

1) His full blown affair and horn dog behavior came out in a muted fashion.

2) We were told by Dems that his wife supported him (like Trump)

3) We were told it was their personal business, so STFU.

4) We were told sex isn't important so STFU

5) We were told that 'everyone knew it so it doesn't count'.

6) We were told he reformed (LOL) so Move On.

7) We were told that 'trailer trash will say anything' by James ("Character") Carville.

8) We were told that 'this is the past. The Eighties and Seventies were some wild times', so STFU.




So...what were you saying about precedent, character, believing women? Pope Gloria made the Act of Unction to give that dying President Clinton some sexual healing and a 'one free grope' bull.

So I will take your analysis under advisement. It must be nice to wake up like Drew Barrymore in "Fifty First Dates". Keeps your perspective unspoiled by history and nuance.

Dano48 said...

Or #5 - Trumps accusers didn't materialize until a few weeks before the general election, so a lot of people don't believe their stories. If these women were telling the truth and wished to stop Trump from ascending to the presidency, then why didn't they come forward during the primary when Trump could have been replaced by a more traditional candidate? A lot of people see Trump's accusers as one giant dirty political trick.

Matthew Sablan said...

I think the biggest problem is that several that the media exclusively pushed turned out to be... not credible. The woman on the airplane in plain view of everyone; the woman who said they were in a private office, but it turned out the place they did the interview was a glass fish bowl. Those are the only two I remember. Maybe the others were credible, but the media shot them all in the foot by pushing two that were completely unbelievable.

Inkling said...

I'd add a fifth—liberal Democrats who let Bill Clinton get away with so much have no platform on which to complain about Trump.

Matthew Sablan said...

"LLR and "Accidental Leftist" Chuck: "Geezus, I wish that Trump thought like that. And act like that""

-- Exactly. Obama ruined Joe the Plumber's life, and he got to be president. People respond to incentives, and the left has made it clear punching down is within the expected rules of engagement.

Rich Vail said...

it's the lying and the hypocrisy that bothers us the most

in a nutshell, it's the above partial quote. Most of these asshats are ones who want to lecture us deplorables. These people are despicable when it comes down to it...and the fact that all facets of the media have been allowing them to get away with the inherent hypocrisy is the root of our collective anger. You ain't seen nothing yet, Ann.

Unknown said...

I have no problem with increased Muslim influx into the US, as long as they agree to restricted their terrorism to lefty Democrats (who clearly don't mind it).

That way, everybody wins!

Muslims get to conduct terrorism.
Non-democrats get to avoid terrorism.
Democrats get to receive terrorism (which they quite obviously don't oppose).

Everybody wins!

Justin Levine said...

Because too many remembered the chronology of hypocricy. Bob Packwood was justly hounded out of the Senate, while Clarence Thomas was raked over the coals for far less serious accusations, but the Bill Clinton was given a complete pass by feminists only a couple of years later on charges much worse than even Trump. Hence we learned the lesson that this was only a partisan political tool, nothing more. Republicans justly concluded that its better to give everyone on “their side” a pass on this issue rather than tolferate a world where only Republicans are held to account for it.

We might have been able to get past that, but the Democrats then made the unfathomable decision to try and restore the Clinton dynasty. Hence the cruel irony of history that the fist viable female candidate for President was literally the only one in the last election who had no moral authority to point a finger at Trump over this issue.

Another thought on your theory # 1: “The election worked as absolution.”

I think there is something to that. What would the reaction be if it were shown that Trump continued to be a serial groper while still in office? Like a pardon, it usually only works with past crimes and behaviors, and doesnt serve as a blanket license for future misdeeds.

But that is why the Clinton case is so outrageous. The voters gave him “absolution” through the election when all that was known was the Paula Jones harassment incident and the affair with Jennifer Flowers. The unspoken bargain was that voters expected him to behave while in office in exchange for absolving his past sins.

Yet what did we get? The assault on Kathleen Willeyand the 3-year affair with Monica Lewinsky while in office, and then the further allegation of the previously unkownn violent rape against Juanita Broaddrick. And yet they STILL gave Clinton an ongoing pass for that and all future misdeeds. That is why it is not possible to hold Trump to account until Clinton has become as much of a social pariah as Harvey Weinstein, and his portrait is taken down everywhere and consigned to the dustbin of history much like the Southern generals of the Civil War. The hypocricy is too great otherwise.

Rusty said...

The presidency is a big deal in this country.

Then why did you vote for Obama?

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