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354 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 354 of 354tim in vermont: "Any psychiatrist who diagnoses a person that they have never met, in a public forum, while referencing their license, should have their license pulled"
Any poster who would quote a psychiatrist who diagnoses a person that they have never met, in a public forum, while referencing their license, and should have their license pulled, should have their blogging privileges suspended.
Or made to bake a cake for a Christian wedding.
If you guys had one tenth the evidence against Trump as exists against Hillary, the trial would already be underway.
stifled bribery probe of the Russians, the $145,000,000 they gave to Clinton, and her illegal destruction of record
... and Obama's coverup of Water Closet.
Also, the DNC's collusion with the post-coup government in Kiev, and other foreign intelligence assets, as well as the mainstream American press, to create and publish propaganda with the the intent to disenfranchises American citizens.
Why does Trump get any credit for Kelly's gravitas, credibility and articulation?
It just makes me think how bad Trump is, when he has talent like that to prep him.
It was still a hateful, oafish and untrue thing for Trump to say; that other presidents didn't make calls to the families of the fallen. I expect that three or four former presidents heard that and wanted to throw a brick through their televisions.
And no, Kelly did not effectively dispute the essential points of Congresswoman Wilson's story, that Trump said, "he [Sgt. Johnson] knew what he signed up for." It sounds like Trump blurted out something in a stupid and clumsy way after Kelly had given him much better preparation for it. So what else is new? Trump, hearing something, immediately turns it into his own brand of stupid, selfish oafishness.
Also still left out of all of this was the statement by Sgt. Johnson's widow -- merely repeated by Congresswoman Wilson -- that Trump somehow didn't know his name.
Yeah, I sure do wish we had a man of Kelly's stature as Commander in Chief instead of the draft-dodging pig Trump. Kelly is a Commander. Trump is a used car salesman.
The main defense of Trump now is that he meant well in the call to Mrs. Johnson. I never doubted that. That argument is so totally wasted on me. I'll stipulate; Trump meant well, when he called her. That could have been the end of the story, but it wasn't because Trump had to lash out.
Trump said that Congresswoman Wilson "fabricated" her story about the call. And that Trump had "proof." Listening to General Kelly, I am convinced that Rep. Wilson got the story right, and Trump and Kelly are just mad about the tenor of the whole situation. Kelly, I presume, is heartsick for the memory and honor of Sgt. Johnson. And Trump is pissed about taking another hit to his image.
tim in vermont said... [hush][hide comment]
"Sociopath" is in their talking points roday, who dragged this public for political gain, there's your sociopath. That would be the Congresswoman looking for a way to bash Trump, no matter the emotional cost.
Ya know, that congresswoman is a friend of the family. In the car,with family, listening to Trump, she could have said to the wife"That was nice of the President to call"/ Then, the family would all be saying how nice it was of him to call.
The bitch led the family down this path for political reasons.
During a debate, each was asked to say something good about the other. Trump actually praised Hillary for being a "fighter". She did not have enough class to compliment him but instead complimented his children.
Trump dropped the lock her up and other campaign BS and genuinely complimented her. Because in reality, Trump is a much better human being than Clinton and most other democrats.
Instead you have the guy who led the cover-up, heading the investigation of Trump. One hundred and forty five million dollars to the Clintons, investigations of other bribery, and the Democrats are hoping to catch someone in an inconsistent statement in an investigation of nothing.
That's what TDS has done to you guys.
So now Chuck has proof that Trump is a draft dodger, right when it will help Democrats with their latest attack!
" He's done useful and novel work on addiction."
I know a lot of psychiatrists and most went into the field to deal with their own neuroses, although, a former friend of mine was grossly psychotic. He was being treated by the chief of Psychiatry at UC, Irvine who decided to make him one of his residents. I have seen my friend in years but , when I was a surgery resident, he used to assist me a lot as he had resigned his own practice and was clinically psychotic. Given all that, he still was a very talented surgeon and we would have fun with him helping and telling me his delusions.
Most psychiatrists are crazy. Not all psychotic but this guy sounds like he is.
We tried the Democratic's favorite Republican, McCain << Hitler!
We tried cool headed competence, Romney << Hitler!!!
So fuck you guys. Every Republican is Hitler, why should we care what you think? Trump, as far as I am concerned, has been a great president.
Kelly is a gift to Trump from God, Like King David's mighty fighting men, he is unbeatable by Trump's enemies.
tim in vermont said...
So now Chuck has proof that Trump is a draft dodger, right when it will help Democrats with their latest attack!
I think I already explained this. I have reviewed Trump's draft records very carefully, believe me. I am not convinced that Trump ever had medical diagnosis of heel spurs. He's never shown his medical records, and now I have more doubt than before, excuse me. And I have people who been actually studying it and they cannot believe what they are finding. If Trump was a felonious draft dodger, this is one of the greatest scams, one of the great cons in the history of politics.
Again, my video proof!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blckpwk1voQ
LLR Chuck: "Why does Trump get any credit for Kelly's gravitas, credibility and articulation?"
LOL
Nice try dips***.
"Stolen Valor Dem Defender and LLR" Chuck: " I am not convinced ...."
LOL
LLR Chuck: " If Trump was a felonious draft dodger, this is one of the greatest scams, one of the great cons in the history of politics."
Yeah, dips*** Chuck actually wrote that, without irony, a couple days after the Uranium One story began breaking wide open where Hillary and dems conspired to cut a deal with Russians to hand over US uranium assets for over $145 Million to the Clinton foundation and hundreds of thousands to the Clintons directly from Vlad's boys and then conjured up a fake collusion story to cover their tracks all the while their politicized Justice Dept Cronies hid the evidence from Congressional oversight.
It's actually quite heartening to see the lefties and the "LLR" allies not adapting in the slightest to the new realities "on the ground".
Bodes well for the near term.
Chuck has wet his diapers again. One day soon he'll be potty trained, I guess.
Drago said...
LLR Chuck: " If Trump was a felonious draft dodger, this is one of the greatest scams, one of the great cons in the history of politics."
Chuck was clearly mocking Trump's bullshit in this statement. Not getting your opponents arguments is not a good way to win an argument.
ARM: "Not getting your opponents arguments is not a good way to win an argument."
Not getting that someone is not making an argument is not a good way to tell someone else that is not a good way to win an argument against the first person.
Perhaps you are just doing your best impression of Bernie Sanders "understanding" the story of Robin Hood.
Fabi: "Chuck has wet his diapers again."
Dreaming of fake dossiers again, as ARM did.
Not getting your opponents arguments is not a good way to win an argument.
Obtuse is his strategy.
I think Kelly spoke from the heart, and I believe him.
"If Trump was a felonious draft dodger, this is one of the greatest scams, one of the great cons in the history of politics."
At least you're back to 'if.'
" I have people who been actually studying it "
I have people...
Cousin Vinny,.
Democrat Rep Wilson now insulting Gold Star family member and Former General Kelly.
It's almost as if Rep Wilson is a "lifelong republican" too.
"Any psychiatrist who diagnoses a person that they have never met, in a public forum, while referencing their license, should have their license pulled."
The gold standard checklists/tests for sociopathy all heavily rely on record reviews and taking to people who have experience with the subject, because sociopaths lie and manipulate. Trump has miles of public tracks and countless private experiences have been made public, and both professionals and those capable of researching the applicable concepts are well positioned to state the obvious. Like I said - this stuff is accessible and non partisan.
LMFAO.
I don't think anybody watched that video. Watch it and take notes.
Chuck doesn't have Trump's medical records so he is free to make stuff up, but he's not a Democratic, nooo!
A lot to think about in that statement. I felt the same disgust about how the four deaths in Benghazi were politicized. General Kelly rightly condemned the congresswoman but In effect he also confirmed that what she said was true and not the lie the President tweeted it was.
"I have people..."
Top. People.
Toppiest of the Top People.
None Toppier.
Sort of the Mount Top-erest of Top People.
These are the same people who informed our #CNNStrongDefender that Trump could not win Michigan and anyone who thought he could was a complete idiot.
Those sorts of Toppy-Top Toppers.
You shit-stupid Trumpkin motherfuckers are mocking me...
...For using Trump's own words, practically verbatim.
Snark: "The gold standard checklists/tests for sociopathy all heavily rely on record reviews and taking to people who have experience with the subject, because sociopaths lie and manipulate."
"The gold standard"
LOL
"this stuff is accessible and non partisan."
So you are from the reality-based community? Are you still upset that the pathological liar lost?
Chuck: "You shit-stupid Trumpkin motherfuckers are mocking me.."
Wow. Do you kiss your Rachel Maddow blow up doll with that mouth?
'Cuz she does NOT deserve that.
And we are not mocking you. That would be like picking on an invalid.
Commenter said that Lincoln was known to write some great letters (implying that Trump should have done so). Please note: Lincoln DID NOT HAVE A PHONE. I believe the personal phone call from any POTUS is much better than any letter, except perhaps a handwritten one, as it can be perceived to have been composed by staff. Having said this, the press and the Democrats (but I am repeating myself) would have criticized him for the impersonal letter.
"LLR and Noted Linguist" Chuck: "...For using Trump's own words, practically verbatim"
"...practically verbatim..."
"practically"..."verbatim"...
LOL
'Record reviews'
As in charts from other medical professionals in a clinical environment? Where did he get those?
The Clinton nuclear deal, in its size, its scope (of oversight by multiple executive agencies), its involvement of the FBI and no doubt the intelligence agencies, and the open bribery evident to everyone, implicates everyone. Including, not least, the Republicans.
And this is just one tiny thing, relative to the overall business done just by the Clinton foundation and its affiliates like Teneo. And these are just one tiny part of the overall array working such things with the Fedgov.
All these people are crooks, just on this one matter. How many more, and larger, such things are there, still unknown? At a guess so many and on such scales that the entire Federal government could be redirected to investigating itself, and nothing else, for the next decade or two and still not get to the bottom of everything.
The level of corruption in the US Fedgov is truly beyond comprehension. Nothing like this has ever been seen on earth. Nothing else, of any sort, compares in significance.
This is the hole I dont think you can get out of, and certainly not without a crisis, or series of crises.
Bob Uecker on "LLR Chucks" "verbatim-ness": Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust a bit outside.
Who did he talk to who is personally close with Trump?
Chuck to the Judge: Your Honor, my hearsay is "practically verbatim"!!
eleventy!!11!1!!
Wow. Do you kiss your Rachel Maddow blow up doll with that mouth?
I'm gonna have to use that one sometimes. Classic! I imagine the blowup doll is more attractive than the real McCoy.
Howard: "I'm gonna have to use that one sometimes. Classic! I imagine the blowup doll is more attractive than the real McCoy."
You just know it would be a hit in Japan!
I agree, I try to stay cynical about government corruption in the US, but this is shocking, and like the Weinstein story, they expect it to go away, and it probably will.
Let your impotent Trump rage continue to consume you, Chuck -- it's the only thing you have to keep warm at night.
tim in vermont: "I agree, I try to stay cynical about government corruption in the US, but this is shocking, and like the Weinstein story, they expect it to go away, and it probably will."
Well, if the dems can keep their lifelong republican allies on the hook, and why shouldn't they be able to, they might just weather the biggest and broadest corruption scandal in the history of the US.
Chuck said...
You shit-stupid Trumpkin motherfuckers are mocking me...
You are no better than the worst here. You voted for him, and you are white. Ipso facto, nazi, sexist, racist, privileged homophobe.
As wella s the only person commenting here in the last six years expressing a desire to manhandle little Greta Van Sustern to "Show her how it feels". That in itself is plenty enough reason to mock you.Oh, and your weak ass, unimaginative profanity.SAD!!
Fabi: "Let your impotent Trump rage continue to consume you, Chuck -- it's the only thing you have to keep warm at night."
Well, that and the Sherry.
buwaya said...
The level of corruption in the US Fedgov is truly beyond comprehension. Nothing like this has ever been seen on earth.
Well, at least not since the glory days of the Priory of Sion.
I'm afraid LLR Chucks profanity doesn't even rise to the pedestrian levels of Titus Maximus Of Boston (By Way of Wisconsin).
And Titus doesn't even try.....at least I hope he's not trying...because what could be considered mildly amusing as if by a child would then become quite #Sad.
Finally, ARM is back to playing to his strengths.
How did I ever read past the hilariously dissonant "practically verbatim"? Thanks for calling out that shit-stupid phraseology, Drago!
Look, we all know that if Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell came to Chuck and asked him to provide his "proof" that Trump should be impeached for reason X; but as a condition of impeaching Trump they promised Chuck that he would be the one who had to piss on the Constitution and be credited for the ensuing Communist hellhole they planned on implementing--Chuck would eagerly agree to do it.
After all, who wouldn't let Bill Ayers implement his plan to murder 60 million Americans as long as Trump was one of them. Right Chuck?
--Vance
LOL. I'll still be here, answering your questions about who are "my people" who are finding out things "they can't believe" about Trump's draft records.
Don't forget to tip your waitresses. And if you're a celebrity, you can just grab 'em by the pussy.
they expect it to go away, and it probably will.
Just like Obama's elective wars, CAIR policy, and trail of tears. The political congruence ("=") advocacy for selective exclusion. The female chauvinists desire to keep women pregnant, available, and taxable Democratic commodities. And whatever Mengele operation is run by Gosnell, Cecile, and Planned Parenthood to process wholly innocent human lives without a voice to protest and who have been literally disarmed to prevent an effective action to secure their right to life, under a layer of privacy, no less. As if anyone is still ignorant of what transpires at the twilight fringe in the abortion chambers, diversity rackets, and social justice clubs.
The Democrat Party is the only one that politicizes our dead hero's that serve the nation. It was the DNC that brought the Gold Star family on their stage. Clinton's wife that lied, for politics to the family of those she sacrificed at Bengahzi, and now this nut job in Florida, that lied to the public, that which was a private conversation, she was not a party to.
Chuck said...
LOL. I'll still be here, answering your questions about who are "my people" who are finding out things "they can't believe" about Trump's draft records.
Don't forget to tip your waitresses. And if you're a celebrity, you can just grab 'em by the pussy.
Or, grab em by the arm and bruise them up to "show her how it feels", right Chuck?
My question, naive of course, is why a LLR who "voted for Trump" wants to find grounds to impeach him.
It reminds me of the murder case where the defense was that the defendant was out of town that day and besides, "That sonofabitch came at me with a knife !"
I am puzzling over what can be done re the Fedgov.
It obviously cannot reform itself, even with an uncompromised president of goodwill and ability - which Trump is not, in significant part. He is no Hercules. But as I said, oh, 18 months ago, he would have every mans hand against him in Washington, and that indeed seems to be so, with just a few exceptions.
Normally, in extremis, even a banana republic has some more-trustworthy elements that can eventually be persuaded to clean house, somewhat. But in those countries the corruption is quite petty, the structure of the bureaucracies, though they may be incompetent and inefficient, is subject only to unsystematic local corruption.
In the US the bureaucracies are compromised directly and down to the mid-levels by enormously wealthy interests. This makes political reform not just impossible but pointless. Even the banana republic extreme reset option of a military coup is no solution.
What is this? Twice in a month, that Kelly has stood before the media and exposed the press and Democrats as liars?
I remember that Kelly was a man of unquestioned honor and honesty. This is what the media told me. Now they have to live with the icon they themselves have created. It would appear that Kelly is validating everything President Trump has been talking about.
Unknown said...
Look, we all know that if Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell came to Chuck and asked him to provide his "proof" that Trump should be impeached for reason X; but as a condition of impeaching Trump they promised Chuck that he would be the one who had to piss on the Constitution and be credited for the ensuing Communist hellhole they planned on implementing--Chuck would eagerly agree to do it.
Oh right because everybody knows that what Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell want, is a "communist hellhole." The guys who, in the last 36 months ago, were voted into leadership by a substantial portion of... wait for it... the Trump cabinet. Does Trump's attorney general think that McConnell is biding his time for "a communist hellhole"? Does Trump's Secretary of Transportation think that McConnell is working up a "communist hellhole"? That'd be a real problem, 'cuz, like, she is MARRIED to McConnell! Does Trump's Secretary of the Interior think that Paul Ryan is a communist sympathizer? What about Trump's freaking Director of Central Intelligence? Or the Director of OMB? They all voted for Paul Ryan to be Speaker!
Vance you represent the worst of what has become of the Althouse commentariat. Her blog has attracted the Breitbart/Info Wars crowd. With all of their "communist hellhole" conspiracy theories.
"This is the hole I dont think you can get out of, and certainly not without a crisis, or series of crises."
The Obama/Holder team kept the lid on this, with the help of Rosenstein and McCabe, long enough to let the Federal Statute of Limitations to run.
There may be a good RICO case which might upset their calculations.
The "Corrupt Organization" is the Obama administration.
Could this case be brought with Obama in the crosshairs ?
They rub our noses in the corruption, cheered on by Hillary apologists like ARM, Unknown, etc, all of whom claim they didn't vote for her, but they are still butt hurt.
Chuck, because they are the same as you: so upset that Trump is there they've gone mad. They would rather surrender to Democrats and destroy America than fight for the principles they allegedly believe. Why else have they done zero this year but fight Trump? The only thing at all was Gorsuch, and they openly regret giving him even that victory.
Look at you: Clinton, Obama and Russia--biggest scandal ever and you are here defending Democrat lies.
--Vance
Chuck,
Ryan and co want to maintain the corporatist system currently in place. This can be seen if you examine telling details of their legislative record. I did my own bit of investigation on the matter of private pensions a couple of years ago, which should be a scandal. Bipartisan.
And, frankly, the legislative branch is irrelevant in the big picture. You are ruled by your bureaucracies, who answer to no one. You are ruled by a sprawling monster, without genuine system or process.
"Vance you represent the worst of what has become of the Althouse commentariat. "
Speak of the devil.
The war on Trump by the left has attained the dimensions of the French Revolution.
Unlike chuck, I have read a lot about that Revolution. It consumed the Girondin Ministry, which was revolutionary but wanted a civil society.
The "Mountain" and Robespierre were far to radical to allow the Girondins to live. Even Danton was too moderate to live.
The Democrats, especially with this incident today and yesterday, look like Jean-Baptiste Coffinhal, who said "The Republic has no need of scientists,"
They will destroy the country if not stopped. Hopefully it will not require a Bonaparte and a "whiff of grapeshot."
I am seriously considering emigration.
Unknown said...
...
...The only thing at all was Gorsuch, and they openly regret giving him even that victory.
Vance I happen to think that Gorsuch is by far the best achievement of the Trump era (among a small number of other things), and that most of the credit goes to (1) Leonard Leo and the Federalist Society and (2) Mitch McConnell. And I think that Mitch McConnell could not be happier and more pleased about Gorsuch.
But you seem to know differently. So detail for us your knowledge of, and sources for, the proposition that McConnell and Ryan not only "regret giving [Trump] even that victory," but that they "openly" regret it. You said it; so now it should be a simple matter to show us instances of McConnell and Ryan (and any others you might wish to identify) "openly regretting" having "given" Trump that victory.
Mind you, I do think that NOT OPENLY, but very privately, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell think that personally, Trump is stupid, venal, unreliable, insufferable, insulting, and a liar. Because I expect that those are their most private views, I would never expect to be able to prove it, and so would not trashtalk as you have. I'd never be so dumb as to claim that Ryan and McConnell "openly" hold such views.
But you did, so now put up or shut up.
"Ryan and co want to maintain the corporatist system currently in place."
I think this is why we cannot rely on them to keep promises they had no intention of keeping when made.
John McCain is probably the most disgusting example.
More and more I think the French Revolution example applies. The American Revolution was organized by men of education and property.
What we see now are the likes of the Congress critter from Miami.
Ninety percent of regular Americans are good decent people and ten percent are vile. With the media, entertainment industry and politicians, ninety percent are vile and ten percent are decent.
That is the great American divide.
No I don't think so, yet but it resembles the 20 year lawfare against berluscini. A figure who offended the bienpensants like the late umberto eco and camillieri (although I have enjoyed some of the episodes from the series run on dw) who nonetheless implemented significant economic political and structural reforms.
Hillary Clinton doesn't appoint Gorsuch, you can fantasize all you like that Cruz could have breached the "Blue Wall" but Trump actually did it.
Another difference between the US, the greatest banana republic that has ever been, and your garden-variety banana republic, is that the economic interests that run it are of a vastly different kind.
Your usual banana republic was and is run by people who make money by making things, and mining things, and growing things, and selling them abroad or to local consumers. They may be assholes, they may employ thugs, they can and do cheat and collude and corrupt governments, but their source of wealth is production and there are significant interests shared with the common people, much more than one would think.
In the US though the big money has nearly no interests in common with the commoners. Their wealth rests on exploitation of laws and regulations, paper assets. The people are extraneous and irrelevant.
There are significant refirmd to the pea's war on coal and other minerals, progress in the war against Islamic radicaling, cutting off the supply line to north Korea from china, ending the star chamber justice in the university. But squirrel!!!
Reform. EPA, some movement re the van's own death panel protocols, as well as the loosening of the state monopolies on health insurance.
"LLR and Stolen Valor Dem Defender" Chuck: "Don't forget to tip your waitresses. And if you're a celebrity, you can just grab 'em by the pussy."
Yes, at the very moment we have the entire entertainment industry comprised of lefties and liberals reeling due to the rampant sexual assaults and rapes and harassment along with pedophilia abetted by the entire left wing establishment on a scale never before seen in this nation, Chuck decides the one comment he'll throw out is some locker room talk.
There really is nothing any dem could do that would cause Chucky-boy to even cast a side-ways glance at them.
It's almost as if he is one of them....
Bill Clinton instead got together with Vladimir Putin at the Russian leader’s private homestead - The Hill, no doubt to talk about weddings and grandchildren. One hundred and forty five million dollars.
This Frederica Wilson is a crass woman. She has no room to judging anyone's behavior.
Chuck,
Here’s a pro tip: add LLR to your handle//name here.
Or, go real insider and add “Fellow Republican”
You’r welcome.
Sad.
Enormously sad that any of this needed to be said.
Sad.
Tim in Vermont: "The Hill, no doubt to talk about weddings and grandchildren. One hundred and forty five million dollars."
Shhhhhhh.
Chucky has no time for such "rumors". There's "real stuff" like Bone Spurs and locker room talk afoot!
He has Top Men on the case. They. Are. On. The. Case!
I'm finding it hard to believe Chucky hasn't been awarded a Pulitzer for investigative reporting yet.
Seems rather unfair.
Drago,
You'll have to ask the film maker that the dems blamed for that.
Yes, we'll put the maker of that terrible, horrible, awful video in jail for you. And they did.
I am starting to think that Chuck is running some kind of Andy Kaufman character.
tim in vermont: "I am starting to think that Chuck is running some kind of Andy Kaufman character"
In a sense, most concern trolls are.
Chuck is keeping himself busy these days with helping to identify just the right "sort" of republican who can really "challenge" Stabenow...(wink wink)
Drago, where do you suppose I got the idea for making up out of whole cloth the notion that I had "people" who were investigating the records and were finding out things that they could not believe? The notion that I had somehow "studied" some records, and that I may have uncovered "the greatest con in the history"?
Honestly, you shit heads are so stupid it is hard to figure out ways to ridicule you.
That was easy Chuck. April 4 2017 when your idol McCain ranted about how we would all regret confirming Gorsuch. How the Republican parted should have let the left torpedo the nomination. Sure it was about the nuclear option but McCain clearly preferred letting the left win in her Gorsuch. Just like you. You like Gorsuch but would have preferred letting the left win.
And with that goodnight all.
—Vance
Honestly, you shit heads are so stupid it is hard to figure out ways to ridicule you.
Oh I don't believe that. You have so much practice doing so while sipping cocktails with your Establishment friends.
Well, so far we have that "your people" have seen stuff that they don't believe, heard that over and over. What, exactly, Chuck? Seems like click bait headline, and tou stick to that phrase like it's been approved to be vague enough to mean anything, and sounds sinister.
((“Ann, you lost me. It was a class act on his behalf.”
I’m not criticizing Kelly.
He was great, saying something that should not have been made necessary to say.
I would stop now and niot give any more air to a political parry that should never have happened.))
I think it was necessary, and I am glad someone stated it. Bravo Zulu.
My mother, 88 years old was in tears watching Kelly. She remembers, not many do.
Play that it over and over.
Unknown said...
That was easy Chuck. April 4 2017 when your idol McCain ranted about how we would all regret confirming Gorsuch. How the Republican parted should have let the left torpedo the nomination. Sure it was about the nuclear option but McCain clearly preferred letting the left win in her Gorsuch. Just like you. You like Gorsuch but would have preferred letting the left win.
And with that goodnight all.
—Vance
You idiot. You stupid, useless moron. McCain didn't rant about how we would all regret confirming Gorsuch. McCain VOTED FOR GORSUCH'S CONFIRMATION. How stupid are you? Don't waste my time with an answer.
What McCain found regrettable was the decision (executed by Mitch McConnell) to go "nuclear" instead of sticking to regular order to confirm Gorsuch. McCain said sooner or later, Republicans would regret that decision and McCain said he sure hoped that it would be "later."
http://time.com/4725626/john-mccain-nuclear-option-supreme-court-senate/
Now, you can side with McConnell on the procedural move, or you can side with McCain. (I'd have preferred McCain's procedural methods, but I am okay with the end result.) You somehow want to blame both of them.
Of all of the laughably dumb commenters here, Vance, you may be the dumbest.
Kelly shows us the way.
"Of all of the laughably dumb commenters here, Vance, you may be the dumbest"
Oh, he's definitely not the dumbest!
Disturbing evidence developing that
Johnson was left behind on the battlefield.
Well, if the dems can keep their lifelong republican allies on the hook, and why shouldn't they be able to, they might just weather the biggest and broadest corruption scandal in the history of the US.
This.
Jon Burack - in fact, you are right. I have spent a lot of time at Arlington, too (although I will be buried at Quantico - it is closer to home, for me). It is easy for me not to feel hatred for those who, like the rich elderly Florida Congresswoman, seek to exploit sacred moments: well, bridezillas are gonna bridezilla, and who knows what we would do, filled with such self-love, and such pride of life? ... and lacking a past where we were taught, not to respect those who have sacrificed their lives for us, but taught that we are the ones whom everyone must respect? And, for the record, it was wrong for Trump to lash out at Obama simply because one of Obama's self-appointed minions lashed out at Trump - but that was a minor offense compared to the horrible sacrilege that the rich lady from Florida thought she would be a heroine for triumphing in. God help her, she tried to score political points off a level of suffering that she could not understand. Poor old lady! Hopefully she has no idea of how foolish and cold-hearted she seems. Well we are all human, and maybe she will feel embarrassment, and, God willing, even sadness at the evil in her heart. I would be glad to walk around Arlington with her: I am sure she had no idea how atrocious her nastiness was! And, as Ann said, let's not focus on this: everyone makes mistakes. I am sure that the rich old lady from Florida can remember a boyfriend or a relative who risked his life in the Korean War, or even the Vietnam War, so there's that: God bless her, anyway: anyone of us can say something really stupid, anytime of the day.
Wow, there certainly seems to be a lot of green flies buzzing around tonight.
I, for one, was very moved by Gen. Kelly's words, sentiments and demeanor - I just thank heaven there are apparently at least a few people still left in public life who can speak with honesty, feeling and conviction about subjects important to our Nation and all of us blessed to live here.
Thank you, sir.
I am sorry, I don't understand your reason Ann. Please explicate your viewpoint further.
I've seen the video. Giving this video more prominence is exactly what I think is necessary. And, yes, I find the Congresswoman's objections to President Trump's phone conversation reprehensible. Thank you.
"LLR and 'always accidentally aligned with the Dems'" Chuck: "(I'd have preferred McCain's procedural methods, but I am okay with the end result.)"
LOL
McCains "procedural methods" would have guaranteed, GUARANTEED, Gorsuch would never have been seated.
Once again, LLR Chuck would have us follow a path that would lead, inevitably, towards the dems preferred outcome.
Gosh darn it! Gee willikers, we would have been so close! But we could always be proud of the way we fought and lost to the dems! We'd still have our dignity! The dems would still have the courts, and the future, but gee whiz we would have come close.
Who can forget loveable and delightful Chucks "success" recipe pre-Nov 8 last year where he told us all that if Trump were the nominee we would just have to accept the loss of the Presidency as well as the Senate and then work gosh darn really hard to get enough republicans elected to perhaps, sometime in the distant future, impeach President Hillary!
Yes indeed, that was the "LLR Chuck" gameplan.
Once again, "accidentally" aligned with the Dems dream scenario! Dang it!
Chuck: "Drago, where do you suppose I got the idea for making up out of whole cloth the notion..."
You can stop right there as that would apply to every single dem/lefty/lunatic conspiracy theory that you happily rejoiced in.
Not least of which is that fake dossier prepared by the oppo research firm that just today took the 5th instead of testifying as to who paid them.
Probably a combination of dems/establishment republicans/our own FBI and the Russians.
What a cozy little love nest those lovebirds occupy.
"My mother, 88 years old was in tears watching Kelly. She remembers, not many do."
Sure, as your moms and Kelly know, it was great when blacks and gals knew their places. Not to mention the satanist homos, trannies and such.
Anywho, at least the DJT admin (incl Kelly) is full of geezer white dudes, w/ a gal or black here or there but relegated to the low level stuff that they know, like teaching normal (aka not Lakeside) kids (incl the UNeducated) and housing for losers/moochers.
Boy the way Glenn Miller Played.
I'll take a decorated Marine over a mendacious, grandstanding Rodeo Clown any day.
I find the Congresswoman's objections
It is not merely objections, but rather an invasion of privacy with the intent to manufacture controversy, presumably to exploit for democratic, and likely Democratic (i.e. partisan), leverage. Well, now Trump knows better. He should shut up, reserve any expression of empathy, and move to the back of the bus, and many hope under the bus.
I'll take a decorated Marine over
Semper fi.
The establishment hopes to hold one of their infamous baby trials through journolistic process. However, everyone knows that babies do not exist until the age of viability. And they suddenly change their nature after the third trimester. They would be better off Planning for the occasional witch and warlock.
"the Kellys of America stand in the way of prog victory. They know it."
Yep. Inga knows it too. She lies about having a daughter in the Marines. Inga hates this country and pisses on the men and women in the military. Her contempt for them (cloaked by her bullshit about a mythical Marine daughter) could not be clearer.
" anti-de Sitter space said"
Different nic, same contemptible twat.
I knew this story was bullshit the minute a congresswoman said she heard the phone call on the speakerphone. At that point, I didn't even believe the comment was simply misconstrued- about the most credit I can give Wilson is that she took the only comment Trump made that could possibly be misconstrued and simply ran with it. More likely, she changed the actual words in addition to taking them out of context. I have seen few more disgusting things a congressperson has done intentionally in my entire life.
gg6 said...
"I, for one, was very moved by Gen. Kelly's words, sentiments and demeanor - I just thank heaven there are apparently at least a few people still left in public life who can speak with honesty, feeling and conviction about subjects important to our Nation and all of us blessed to live here."
Same here. The mother of a veteran emailed me this afternoon to tell me she was in tears after Kelly's statement. Because he gets it.
And the green leftist dung flies feel the power of Kelly's words as well. That's why they are trying to shit on him. You see Inga's real feelings toward the military in this thread. Complete contempt. Mother of a Marine, my ass.
Eric Landgraf said...
I am sorry, I don't understand your reason Ann. Please explicate your viewpoint further."
Yes, I don't get it either.
tim in vermont said...
So now Chuck has proof that Trump is a draft dodger"
May Chuck wake up tomorrow with bone spurs. He deserves them.
310 comments, I think they do want to talk about it.
Bone spurs? Not likely- Chuck is an invertebrate.
313 comments, and no one mentioned the crap Bush and Rumsfeld got for not attending military funerals. It didn't occur to the grandstanding press that a POTUS or SECDEF interfering and drawing attention to themselves at such a time would have been grossly disrespectful. No one at the Bush WH could manage to say that half as clearly as Kelly that I recall.
If Trump's call really was scheduled for when the widow was on the tarmac, that person should be fired for idiocy. It would best have been done after the funeral when the family wasn't so raw.
Morning Joe just played the entire Kelly address on his show this morning. First time I was able to see the entire clip. To say it was powerful would be the understatement of understatements.
Scar'bro's takeaway? Trump is a no good schlub. What an awful response by this visceral Trump hater. For a moment, I thought it was LLR.
"You mean to tell me that I've become so important that the White House is following me and my words?" she said laughing, according to a report by Miami 7 News. "This is amazing. That's amazing. I'll have to tell my kids that I'm a rock star now."
— Frederica Wilson, hours after Kelly’s press conference
Re; Kelly.
Honorable men do honorable things.
Chuck. Get help.
This just makes me so sad.
Didn't General Kelly essentially confirm that what Congresswoman Wilson said was true? Kelly simply put a better explanation on it, than Trump ever could.
Kelly's response to the story was detailed, nuanced, intelligent and full of gravitas.
Trump's response was -- and now continues to be -- insulting, gross and misleading.
To me, it is now clear; Trump did in fact say something very much like, "He knew what he signed up for." Kelly explained (better than Trump) why Trump said that. The fact that Trump meant no harm or disrespect in the original call was something that I never doubted, as I said many times. But Rep. Wilson did not "fabricate" anything.
This is the second time we've seen something like this in the space of just days. When NBC reported on Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's calling Trump a "moron," Tillerson enhanced his personal credibility by not falsely denying it, but instead saying that he had more important things to work on. And now we have General Kelly, not denying that Trump said what Rep. Wilson claimed, but rather why Trump went in that direction (however oafishly) and how difficult those calls are.
Only Trump went around calling the reporters liars. And in doing so, Trump dug his own hole of lies and misrepresentations even deeper.
Well, the congresswoman did what should not be done. I don't know who let her listen in on the call. If it was the WH, there is some legitimate cause to criticize the WH.
But regardless, the reason why Ann does not think this should be aired is that in this context, a private grief is being trampled upon and disregarded. There is something terribly sick about this; one family's loss should not be used as a political football. By either side. That call was made to a person who suffered a tremendous bereavement.
I think it was brave of Kelly to do what he did, and that he did it in the best possible way that it could be done. It is, however, a sad moment for a country that it ever came to this. He should never have had to do this. Something very important has been lost.
The congresswoman complained Trump was disrespectful and insulting. She cited the words as an example. The push back has been she's deliberately mischaracterizing what was said.
If people don't get that but choose to get tripped up like an evil genie over exact words instead of understanding the actual debate, that is entirely on them.
Remember too. The things she claims he said are... Standard issue statements. Obama used the same. He died doing what he loved or he knew the risks and acted bravely anyway are common phrases. They've been said of soldiers since Troy if not earlier. The point of contention isn't if Trump said it. It is about the meaning he put on it. Unless we now have to go back for thousands of years with a new understanding of this concept as inherently disrespectful.
I feel certain, given my experience with the Althouse commentariat, that this won't end well but here goes anyway...
Was it okay for Trump to have General Kelly listening in on his end of the call, but not okay for Mrs. Johnson to have her congresswoman listening in on her end of the call?
For her part, most of what Congresswoman Wilson "reported" was her merely relating what Mrs. Johnson said. She has repeatedly stated that she did not listen in to the entire conversation. That Mrs. Johnson was offended by Trump, including the fact that Trump appeared to not even know her husband's name.
It would be pretty rich if Donald Trump, who has a very long reputation for secretly recording his telephone calls when he was in private life, now took offense at another person being party to a telephone call on which Trump himself had third parties listening in.
And for the record, I don't think any of those third parties were odd. I expect that on virtually all official calls, someone else is listening in with a president of the United States. And I also don't think it is odd when a recipient of a presidential phone call has someone else listening, by speakerphone or otherwise.
Peggy Noonan has been a voice of reason in the Trump era and her column today is thoughtful as usual. It is unfortunate that Althouse lacks the courage that Noonan has to address the problems surrounding Trump's leadership. Althouse will play the role of concern troll ad infinitum with the Weinstein story, but when there is clear, fundamental problem with this nation's leadership she wants to shut down debate.
The issue is this. How do you interpret that common statement? As a flippant victim blaming statement that inherently says the person suffering is kind of dumb and the dead person is just a statistic. As opposed to how everyone understands it to be meant, as a sign of respect for the deceased's bravery and loyalty.
At least, everyone knew it meant that until they could get Trump.
Matthew Sablan said...
Remember too. The things she claims he said are... Standard issue statements. Obama used the same. He died doing what he loved or he knew the risks and acted bravely anyway are common phrases. They've been said of soldiers since Troy if not earlier. The point of contention isn't if Trump said it. It is about the meaning he put on it. Unless we now have to go back for thousands of years with a new understanding of this concept as inherently disrespectful.
As usual, Matthew, most of what you write is gently sensible.
But you missed "the point of contention." The point of contention is not the exact words used by Trump. I am convinced, listening to General Kelly, that Congresswoman Wilson got it as right as anyone's memory could get it. And that Trump meant no offense, yada yada yada.
No, Matthew; the point of contention has been Trump's offensively reactive nature. And now I think the point for a great many more people than who ever cared to know about the call at all, is what a stark difference there is, between the gravitas and credibility of General Kelly, and the shrieking offensiveness of Trump.
Who's shrieking, besides the Dems and NeverTrumpers?
Kelly heard Trump's end, but probably not the widow's. Wilson heard both sides.
If the WH scheduled the call when she was meeting the casket, that's much more offensive to her than just about word salad Trump could have said.
That can only be the point of contention if you ignore wht Trump punched back this time. And yes. If you start the story there and not at the congresswoman deliberately mischaracterizing what Trump said, he seems unreasonable. Unfortunately, Republicans have tried it my preferred way where we don't engage in pointless bickering with the press. That got McCain insulted for his injuries and Romney called Hitler.
So I understand why Trump's team chooses to fight back on every perceived lie or slight. Because not doing so is worse, and part of the reason for that is that people like this congresswoman and Reid are rewarded for their dickery.
I'd never be so dumb as to claim that Ryan and McConnell "openly" hold such views.
Although not the target I thought it would be fun to respond:
And dumbly, I discovered these jewels, here, here and here …
Ryan has been very open. McConnell has been less open. Yes, their anti-Trump opinions are also “privately” held, which, mysteriously, become publicly known all the time in the MSM. How very private – eh, readers?
For McConnell to have opposed Gorsuch would have been too much of a reveal, too stark of a betrayal.
The establishment Repubs in Congress have to pick their shots carefully. Ryan and McConnell wouldn’t want to squander whatever credibility (which I judge to be very low) they still might have among the many Trump voters residing in their home bases.
Unknown-Inga is a easily led, voice-actuated buffoon. ARM knows better. But "narratives gotta be narrative-d".
10/19/17, 7:30 PM
Drago, ARM knows better, yes. He sounded a retreat call a couple days back saying that Trump-bashing was counterproductive-reasonably good analysis. But like the dog returning to his vomit, here is ARM back at it.
The most reasonable conclusions are that:
1) ARM tried to follow this policy, then realized that he had nothing else to say.
2) ARM is not one to shut up just because he has nothing to say. If he has nothing to say, he says that.
3) ARM is weak.
I'll make it real simple, Matthew.
If Trump hadn't been such a notorious asshole, perhaps the whole conversation might have come off differently. Personally, I think that Trump is such a sociopath that a grieving widow might easily have taken him as being offensive even when Trump intended the opposite.
But nonetheless let's presume that Trump did and said nothing offensive, and that Congresswoman Wilson, who I have never liked or respected in any way, got it wrong and tried to use it against Trump.
The better/best response was that of General Kelly. Articulate and careful and full of considered meaning.
And the worst response was Trump's Twitter rant in which he (falsely, no doubt) accused the Congresswoman of "fabricating" the entire thing.
The direction that I would now turn, in challenging Trump and Kelly, is to jab a finger into their sternums and ask, "Are you two guys saying that Mrs. Johnson is fabricating the call, too?"
I will say that for all of his admirable qualities, the one clwever and chickenshit thing he did yesterday was to pick on the gathered reporters and ask for comments from any of them who had "Gold Star" friends and relations. Kelly didn't simply stand and answer the question, yes or no, as to how the Congresswoman may have "fabricated" the conversation.
Like Tillerson last week, I take Kelly's extremely calculated non-denial as confirmation.
There is no reason not to punch back.
As a leader one must perceive the psychological needs of ones followers.
Rhetorical warfare does not work as one would like, if one cannot see the world through others eyes.
Trumps followers require this, Dutertes followers required much the same also. It is a common form around the world.
Trump has been very mild on the whole, compared to what his partisans want said.
Blogger MaxedOutMama said...
Well, the congresswoman did what should not be done. I don't know who let her listen in on the call. If it was the WH, there is some legitimate cause to criticize the WH.
This I don't understand. Let her? Who's to stop her? Detect heartbeats on the mic and hang up on the family? Drop a Hellfire on the Cong's limo? If the congresswoman sees fit to show her ass, and to involve the poor family, the power to abuse the President's gift was theirs.
And there is no reason to be considerate of either the opposition or the press. It has been open war for many years now, on their part.
Holding back is useless.
The direction that I would now turn, in challenging Trump and Kelly, is to jab a finger into their sternums and ask, "Are you two guys saying that Mrs. Johnson is fabricating the call, too?"
Come to New York, Chuck, and jab a finger into my sternum. I'm begging you.
grackle, you are even dumber than I had imagined.
OF COURSE Ryan and McConnell think that Trump is s stupid jerk! If you and I both presume that, we are in agreement with nothing to argue about.
That wasn't ever the point that I was disputing.
I was disputing the risible suggestion that somehow the Republicans, who voted 100% for Gorsuch's confirmation, didn't really want him and didn't want Trump to be "given" that victory.
It wasn't even much of a personal victory for Trump. The Federalist Society and Heritage vetted the candidates, they promoted Gorsuch, Mitch McConnell pushed the nomination in a way that was more aggressive than any Senate Majority Leader in modern history. McConnell went "nuclear." Over John McCain's opposition. After which McCain promptly voted for Gorsuch's confirmation.
Finally, I agree with one more thing you wrote. Indeed, Congressional Republicans need to pick their shots very carefully as they oppose and/or undermine Trump. Republicans do need to be careful about the devoted Trumpkins in their districts. They need to manage them and their expectations in the era of Trump. Which will hopefully end sooner rather than later.
Althouse will play the role of concern troll ad infinitum with the Weinstein story,
Look at that! ARM does not believe that Althouse has been sincere on the Weinstein story. Probably because he privately thinks such stories are "no big deal." That's reasonable !
It is not a retreat to suggest that it is pointless bashing Trump on this site, it is an acknowledgement of the limitations of the audience at this point in time. Things will change.
"The direction that I would now turn, in challenging Trump and Kelly, is to jab a finger into their sternums and ask, "Are you two guys saying that Mrs. Johnson is fabricating the call, too?"
Oh, sure you would, Internet Tough Guy.
Wilson is bragging that the WH made her a "rock star," she goes out in public in idiotic outfits and sequined cowboy hats and the Dems and Tough Boy Chuckie think Trump's the crazy one?
I think the Ryans and McConnells of the party are in serious trouble, and they know it. Moreso their financial backers. The partisans of Trump are the power in their districts, and moreover the illusions have blown away, they cannot be "managed" as before. There is not merely suspicion but reflexive hostility there.
This is not a matter of Trump but of general social conflict.
A class war in some ways, but that concept is obsolete.
Perhaps a better term is a caste war. And Ryan/McConnell are the wrong caste.
The better/best response was that of General Kelly. Articulate and careful and full of considered meaning.
Chuck, that is a thoughtful, clearly-articulated position which is worthy of careful consideration before responding. So I did, and I will.
I think there are times when just about everyone thinks Trump could have taken a little more time, been a little more thoughtful, gathered up the right people in front of the cameras, and made a statement which might have diffused the situation or even brought people to a shared perspective.
But then I have to ask you. How did that work out for General Kelly?
Kelly was a career military professional. Trump was not. Kelly has extensive experience dealing with dead service members. Trump has not. Kelly is a gold star father and has been on the other side of the calls and letters. Trump is not. Kelly is generally seen as a man dedicated to his country and has served presidents of both parties. Trump as the leader of his party kept Hillary from her rightful place at the podium.
Kelly had all that going for him when he went in front of the media with his statements which were, to quote yourself, "articulate, careful, and full of considered meaning".
So given all that, I come back to the question: how are the pundits, and the politicians, and the talking heads treating General Kelly today?
You see, I'd like to believe those against Trump would be fine with him if he were more "presidential". But it's not his words to which they object. And as such, I can only conclude he should spend as little time on them as possible.
I don't know what he was doing yesterday when Kelly was working out what to say, and Kelly was giving the briefing. But if one thousandth of one percent of his effort was toward getting the budget passed or draining the swamp, it was a better use of Trump's time.
Kevin, I'd say something similar. If Trump had done almost anything* other than blurt out an early-morning Tweet that Rep. Wilson had "fabricated" her recollection of the presidential call, his time would have been better spent.
*Examples of better uses of Trump's time, than Tweeting:
1. Taking a 90-minute walk with General Kelly in Arlington.
2. Working on a budget, and then on a tax bill.
3. Reading something intelligent and detailed, about health care reform.
4. Watching the grass grow on the South Lawn.
I think the early-morning Tweets from Trump are even weirder, imagining the circumstances. It is as if the guy wakes up angry. He rises, agitated after too-little sleep, and immediately snaps on morning television news and starts fuming. And Tweeting.
Separately, Kevin, you seem to think that General Kelly is getting slammed for somehow siding with Trump.
I don't see that at all. I see people widely praising Kelly. Maybe even more than he deserves. (As I mentioned, Kelly was clever in avoiding any direct question as to whether Rep. Wilson really "fabricated" anything. Kelly's description seems to have confirmed that however inadvertent and however unintentionally offending, Trump did make such a statement to Sgt. Johnson's wife.)
Kevin I see Trump-haters saying how great Kelly was, and how much we wish we had a Commander in Chief like Kelly.
And of course Trump fans think Kelly was brilliant and that he completely validated Trump.
Maybe it's my own media filter, but I don't see much of anyone going after Kelly. To the extent that Rep. Wilson may be, please understand that she is not someone I like or support or care much about; I'll never vote for her or anyone like her, and I view her as a ridiculous back-bench figure. Like the ridiculous presidential caricature that is Donald Trump.
Kevin, I'd say something similar. If Trump had done almost anything* other than blurt out an early-morning Tweet that Rep. Wilson had "fabricated" her recollection of the presidential call, his time would have been better spent.
No, had he done that there would be no General Kelly statement and there would just be two days and counting of how Trump cavalierly disrespected a dead soldier.
The news would repeat the accusation hour after hour, making it truer and truer for those who heard nothing in opposition.
Like anyone else in that situation, you have to respond or the only thing which is reported are the claims against you. Romney gave his worker cancer? Romney took the high road. Romney lost a lot of votes from people who took one lie and built it into "Romney is an evil businessman who kills his workers for profit".
You can't say "be thoughtful" when the most thoughtful person just got trashed for his statements.
And you can't say Trump should say nothing when GWB, McCain, and Romney got killed for letting the media define them.
You need to come up with a different strategy for Trump which actually helps him, or your suggestions for what he should do differently aren't credible.
One last thing, Kevin. You wrote:
You see, I'd like to believe those against Trump would be fine with him if he were more "presidential". But it's not his words to which they object. And as such, I can only conclude he should spend as little time on them as possible.
What we both know is that Trump will never be more "presidential." He simply can't do it. He's never done it. He's a man in his seventies who will not change.
You posit that it's not Trump's words to which someone like me might object. I gather that you think that I have some major policy differences with Trump. I am not so sure what Trump's policies are. What Trump does more than anything -- more than working on health care or taxes or working more publicly to get more of his judges confirmed -- is constantly cultivate these media fights. If Trump could articulate some policies I might readily agree with them. But I don't think he can do that. I don't think Trump has any notions of policy. And no notion of any Washington dealmaking.
Kevin said...
"Kevin, I'd say something similar. If Trump had done almost anything* other than blurt out an early-morning Tweet that Rep. Wilson had 'fabricated' her recollection of the presidential call, his time would have been better spent."
No, had he done that there would be no General Kelly statement and there would just be two days and counting of how Trump cavalierly disrespected a dead soldier.
That's a weird presumption. How about Trump skips the Tweet alleging "fabrication" (which I suspect was and is another Trump falsehood), and Trump just do a better job of explaining himself? Or -- because Trump is too incompetent for the job -- let General Kelly do it?
Half the country gets up, looks at the news, and starts fuming. Trump however can do what each of these fuming fellows wishes they could do, which is to punch someone in the nose, if only virtually.
So Trump does the punching on their behalf. That is a necessary service.
What horseshit. I'm sure woman were well taken care of by their drunken husbands in the 50's Irish white neighborhood that Kelly grew up in. I'm pretty sure that, had any "empty barrel", as he referred to Rep. Frederica Wilson somehow wandered in, the constabulary would've ushered her out. The question remains: Why are we there? Does this have something to do with Chad getting put on the travel ban?
How about Trump skips the Tweet alleging "fabrication" (which I suspect was and is another Trump falsehood), and Trump just do a better job of explaining himself? Or -- because Trump is too incompetent for the job -- let General Kelly do it?
I already answered that in a prior post.
We don't have to speculate about how if Trump would just do a or b, rainbows would fill the skies and unicorns would graze on the White House lawn. Kelly went out and did it. How's that working for the General today?
I tried Chuck. I really tried to respectfully engage you today. It requires, however, that you engage back and deal with the arguments made by others.
I'm afraid I mistook a thoughtful sentence from you for thoughtfulness. But I'm certainly not going to take the time to read your stuff and compose a response just to have your ignore it.
Have a nice day. I'm going off to do the same.
Republicans do need to be careful about the devoted Trumpkins in their districts. They need to manage them and their expectations in the era of Trump.
Trying to “manage” us Trumpkins can be a thankless, fruitless and self-defeating task. Our expectations are simple and not very numerous. They are all guided by the principle that the Republicans in Congress and elsewhere should either support the duly elected leader of their party or get out of the party - as Joe Scarborough recently did. Then at least Ryan and McConnell would have a legitimate excuse.
If managing us is the intent, remaining in the party while simultaneously sniping at Trump both publicly and privately is guaranteed to fail. This failure will make itself clear come the mid-terms. Google the terms “Bannon” and primary challenges.”
Republicans do need to be careful about the devoted Trumpkins in their districts. They need to manage them and their expectations in the era of Trump.
No, they don't need to "manage" anyone......they need to start doing what they promise to do when they are running for office.
No, Matthew; the point of contention has been Trump's offensively reactive nature.
Because of course Trump is supposed to roll over in abject apology like Establishment Republicans have been doing for decades.
How hard is it to understand that Trump is popular and won the election precisely because he does react to the attacks and insults launched at him. If the Republican Establishment had been willing to fight for their reputations and the issues that they claim to support Trump would have never happened.
And no notion of any Washington dealmaking.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
By the way, weren't you complaining that Trump made a deal with the Democrats and bypassed Congressional Republicans not that long ago?
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