October 2, 2017

"Hefner re-imagined the American male as a connoisseur in the continental manner, a man who enjoyed all the fine pleasures of life, including sex."

"Hefner brilliantly put sex into a continuum of appreciative response to jazz, to art, to ideas, to fine food. This was something brand new. Enjoying fine cuisine had always been considered unmanly in America. Hefner updated and revitalized the image of the British gentleman, a man of leisure who is deft at conversation — in which American men have never distinguished themselves — and with the art of seduction, which was a sport refined by the French.... Hefner’s worldview was already dated by the explosion of the psychedelic 1960s. The anything-goes, free-love atmosphere — illustrated by all that hedonistic rolling around in the mud at Woodstock in 1969 — made the suave Hefner style seem old-fashioned and buttoned up. Nevertheless, I have always taken the position that the men's magazines — from the glossiest and most sophisticated to the rawest and raunchiest — represent the brute reality of sexuality.... Hefner’s bunnies were a major departure from female mythology, where women were often portrayed as animals of prey — tigresses and leopards. Woman as cozy, cuddly bunny is a perfectly legitimate modality of eroticism. Hefner was good-natured but rather abashed, diffident, and shy. So he recreated the image of women in palatable and manageable form. I don’t see anything misogynist in that. What I see is a frank acknowledgment of Hefner’s fear of women’s actual power."

Said Camille Paglia.

Much more at the link, including this, connecting Playboy and Trump:
I certainly saw in Trump the entire Playboy aesthetic, including the glitzy world of casinos and beauty pageants. It's a long passé world of confident male privilege that preceded the birth of second-wave feminism. There is no doubt that Trump strongly identified with it as he was growing up. It seems to be truly his worldview.

But it is categorically not a world of unwilling women. Nor is it driven by masculine abuse. It's a world of show girls, of flamboyant femaleness, a certain kind of strutting style that has its own intoxicating sexual allure — which most young people attending elite colleges today have had no contact with whatever.

I instantly recognized and understood it in Trump because I had always been an admirer of Hefner's sexual cosmos. I can certainly see how retrograde and nostalgic it is, but at the same time I maintain that even in the photos that The New York Times posted in trying to convict Trump of sexism, you can feel leaping from these pictures the intense sizzle of sexual polarization — in that long-ago time when men were men and women were women!
She also theorizes that as "the sexes have blended, " the sexes are less interested in each other, so "we’re now in a period of sexual boredom and inertia, complaint and dissatisfaction," and "all that's left are these feminist witch-hunts":
And meanwhile, men are shrinking. I see men turning away from women and simply being content with the world of fantasy because women have become too think-skinned, resentful and high maintenance.
Yes, "think-skinned" is a mistranscription, but however unintended, I'm interested in it as a concept.

The skin has the sense of touch, and the call to sexuality — from Playboy or hippies or whoever — is an invitation to be more in touch with touch. What happens to the skin goes to the brain, but if you are "think-skinned" — I'm inventing this concept!— the brain goes first and sends instructions to the skin. The order is reversed and you feel what you thought of feeling.

The think-skinned person may be numb or may be highly sexualized, but it all depends on what's going on in her head, so what goes in there really matters — pornography, feminism, the wit and wisdom of Camille Paglia, etc.

Or stop being so think-skinned and find out what you really feel.

76 comments:

rhhardin said...

Horses are think-skinned.

Ralph L said...

Hefner updated and revitalized the image of the British gentleman
No, the idle rich wastrel debauched adventurer.

traditionalguy said...

Camille wants thin skinned women. She is Sapphic. But there are thin skinned strong men in the sense of emotionally sensitive men . The fear of being seen as gay makes emotionally sensitive men to act tough. But tough is for fights. Sensitive is for love.that is why we love women. They are sensitive.

Roger Sweeny said...

Most things (sight, touch, etc.) actually involve massages going both ways, to the brain and from the brain at the same time, and with the system trying to get everything to fit together. That's a terrible summary of Scott Alexander's opposite-of-terrible review of Andy Clark's Surfing Uncertainty.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05/book-review-surfing-uncertainty/

rhhardin said...

Sensitive doesn't organize well.

boycat said...

Trump lived out the life of a stunted mid-20th century teenager in horndog fantasyland.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

I like Paglia, but sometimes it's not that complicated.

Generally, men like to see women without any clothes.

Gabriel said...

Jackie Treehorn: People forget that the brain is the biggest erogenous zone.

The Dude: On you maybe.

Jackie Treehorn: Of course, you do get the good with the bad. The new technology permits us to do exciting things with interactive erotic software. Wave of the future, Dude. 100% electronic.

The Dude: Uh-huh. Well, I still jerk off manually.

Ralph L said...

As with his words, you have to ask how much of Trump's reputation is real and how much is his chosen persona.

Quaestor said...

The think-skinned person may be numb or may be highly sexualized...

Or highly analytic. Some very intelligent animals rely on as much on touch as sight to analyze and categorize their surroundings. I'm thinking of Alex the African Grey Parrot owned by Irene Pepperberg. Alex apparently had to "taste" everything he was asked to identify. If we have think-skin it must be on our fingers and genitalia, whereas the think-skin of parrots is the tongue.

Gahrie said...

And meanwhile, men are shrinking. I see men turning away from women and simply being content with the world of fantasy because women have become too think-skinned, resentful and high maintenance.

Of course we must wander off into irrelevancy, rather than address the actual point.

Why?

Because it might make women feel bad.....

tcrosse said...

Guys who like to dress up as women like to dress up as flamboyant womanly dames, not as Kate Millett.

Achilles said...

Hugh was also a connoisseur of the the use of quaaludes.

Not sure what the difference between him and Cosby was.

Earnest Prole said...

In Hefner’s 1959 television special I linked a couple of days ago, he makes Paglia’s point:

"We at Playboy have a very . . . we feel that some of the problems of the . . . if maybe not the world, but of America at least . . . are an over-feminization. And we have a somewhat different notion about the whole thing . . . "

At that moment an interruption:

"Excuse me, Hef, Ella Fitzgerald just came in!"

Assrat said...

>Generally, men like to see women without any clothes.

I think that this should be the alpha and omega of any conversation about Hefner and his impact.

mockturtle said...

Hefner may have thought of himself as a 'connoisseur' because it sounds better than 'sleazebag'.

Sebastian said...

"deft at conversation" with bunnies.

Fernandinande said...

[A]fter the shedding it over, you will be surprised by the freshness and richness of the reptile’s smooth skin.

tcrosse said...

Leave it to our Hostess to write several paragraphs of exegesis on a typo. Brava!

Fernandinande said...

It puts the lotion on its skink-skin.

DKWalser said...

Sometimes the anticipation of touch is very erotic. In that way, most of us are think-skinned in the way Althouse defined it. Imagining how a touch will feel -- and waiting for that touch -- can increase the pleasure of the touch itself.

Of course, the opposite can be true. As a child, I would sometimes obsess about going to a doctor's office knowing it would end in my getting a shot in the arm. I'm sure anticipating the prick of the needle, the feeling of the needle sliding deeper into my arm, and the thrust of whatever being injected, made the experience of the actual injection worse than it otherwise would have been. My mother should have told me to quit being so think-skinned.

Steve M. Galbraith said...

On the other hand, Douthat was a bit more, er, critical: Speaking Ill of Hefner.

There was a point where Hefner turned from being a bit highbrow (for lack of a better word and if you squinted a bit) to an embarrassing sleazeball.

As Douthat puts is: "What began with talk of jazz and Picasso and other signifiers of good taste ended in a sleazy decrepitude that would have been pitiable if it wasn’t still so exploitative."

Fernandinande said...

@12:35
http://www.bluetongueskink.org/blue-tongue-skink-shedding/

Bay Area Guy said...

I have mixed feelings about Hef. Clearly, he was greedy and gluttonous with respect to sex.

For example, I love banana splits. Always have since childhood. It makes me happy to think of them, while ordering one. It makes me happy when it arrives at the table. It makes me happy to actually have one. It makes me happy to savor it afterwards.

But, as a kid, I only had them about 2 or 3 times a year, on special occasions. As an adult, I don't think I've had one in 20 - 25 years.

If I had 3 banana splits EVERY SINGLE NIGHT of my life, since age 18, well, probably I'd be disgusted by them.

Hef has had way more of his fair share of banana splits.

Also, it detracts from all the "other" things about sex we love. Spotting the pretty girl; making eye contact with the pretty girl; mustering up the nerve to talk to the pretty girl; trying to make the pretty girl laugh; divining the courage to ask the pretty girl out on a date, worrying she'll say no; preparing for the date; washing the car before the date; ironing the clothes, while thinking about the date. And, so on, and so on, and so on.

You get the drift.

Hef was totally and comically out of whack in this regard. But, no doubt, he more than anyone brought casual sex into the the conscious of the American mainstream, and probably that was a good thing, despite many of the casualties from the sexual revolution.

Fernandinande said...

Bay Area Guy said...
If I had 3 banana splits EVERY SINGLE NIGHT of my life, since age 18, well, probably I'd be disgusted by them.


"Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge."

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I've tended to agree with any comparison between Trump and man of the 50s--meaning a celebrity of the 50s, a man with some money who likes to hang around night clubs. Sinatra's crowd, kind of thing. Yes, there might be some skill at witty repartee with women--moreso than with the typical suburban dad. It sort of goes without saying that this might include a lot of sex, but Hefner somehow overdid this aspect. As he got older, Hefner had to keep up the orgasms; viagra came along at a good time, then there are the stories about using quaaludes to make sure the girls are obliging. I'm not sure how much male camaraderie there ever was with Hefner. Granted that Trump's on his third marriage, but did he ever have a ton of affairs? Has he had adult male friends moreso than Hefner?
Middle-class couples of the 50s inherited the Victorian idea that they should spend a lot of time together, with their kids, everything somehow proper. The fifties managed to bring to view the idea that adults can actually have fun together, as adults, including sex. I agree with Paglia that the 60s somehow departed from that: all the real fun belongs to adolescents, and one wants to remain an adolescent for the rest of one's life.

Clayton Hennesey said...

Unlike Hefner, think-skinned conservative blogger and sexual scold Rod Dreher prefers the oysters he eats clad in calcium carbonate.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/giving-hef-hefner-what-he-deserves/

Given the posts surrounding that one, looks like a case of classic Freudian Verschiebung to me.

Bay Area Guy said...

@Clayton Hennessy,

Yeah, I read that Dreher article in the Times -- pretty pathetic. He doesn't even try to make a cogent argument, other than "Hef bad."

Like fire, sex screws up a lotta folks, if they don't learn to manage it right.

Dreher strikes me as the high school kid, still tormented 30 years later by not getting a prom date.

Jack Wayne said...

Paglia should know better. There are a dozen societies or more that “...brilliantly put sex into a continuum of appreciative response to jazz, to art, to ideas, to fine food“. Nothing new under the sun. Hefner’s dead. Who cares?

DKWalser said...

...But, no doubt, he more than anyone brought casual sex into the the conscious of the American mainstream, and probably that was a good thing, despite many of the casualties from the sexual revolution.

I fail to understand why so many believe that the promotion of casual sex is a good thing from a societal point of view. By design (whether that 'design' is the result of an evolutionary process or divine intention), the emotions generated by sex are powerful and anything but casual. Most of us seem incapable to engage in promiscuous, recreational, sex without incurring (or causing) significant emotional damage. Popular media and pop-psychology preach to us that our sexual partner's abandoning us and/or sleeping with others shouldn't cause us to become jealous or depressed, but such an enlightened view seems to be incompatible to human nature.

rcocean said...

"Dreher strikes me as the high school kid, still tormented 30 years later by not getting a prom date."

I'm starting to read less and less of Dreher. He's the ultimate cuckservative. He loves to scold the Left for this or that- but when the Right actually tries to STOP the Left, he's against it. Usually, because the Right is too crude or too vulgar or too mean or not Christian enough or too extreme, etc. There's always an excuse.

I'm actually surprised he's against Hefner, I assumed he'd be making excuses for him, but then Hefner is a soft target and disliked by the Left, so Rod risks nothing.

rcocean said...

As for Hefner making "fine eating" a manly thing. I think James Bond had much more influence then Hefner. James Bond, suave, sophisticated, who loved a good meal, a fine martini and had good taste in everything, when he wasn't he killing bad guys.

" My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as drinking Dom Perignon '53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That's just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs"

Big Mike said...

Back in my youth I interpreted Playboy to mean that if one was wealthy enough to afford a large, well-furnished pad in a big city (LA, New York, Chicago,etc.), and had sophisticated tastes (especially for jazz), one could have one's choice of woman half one's age.

Of course more recently Donald Trump proved that if one is wealthy enough, they will let one grab 'em by the pussy.

SDaly said...

In that long-ago time when men were men and women were women

Camille Paglia turned into Archie Bunker so slowly I'd hardly noticed.

traditionalguy said...

Poor Hef. His Pilgrim ancestors eliminated the courtesans of the Stuart Kings. By the time of Charles II , the King had a choice between his Catholic wife and his Protestant whore. That was the happy days again of the Restoration of bawdy England following 10 years long under the morality of Cromwell's Army and religious Republic after Cromwell beheading Charles' Daddy.

Poor DJT was also raised by a mother whose hometown's Main Street in Stornaway was named for Oliver Cromwell to honor Cromwell killing the Catholic rule in Scotland.

walter said...

Camille has long been the lesbian that prefers men to be boner-headed.

traditionalguy said...

Hefner discovered the practice tip for sexy playmate center fold pics.He used 5 foot or shorter women whose boobs seemed unusually large but cute. That is a niche model. The rest of the women tried to match the size 0 and 2 ladies by getting silicone bags implanted. But thankfully those days are also gone long time passing.

Michael K said...

"Generally, men like to see women without any clothes."

I'm not sure. The pornographers seem to think a few clothes are more sexy.

I have not run a study. When I was younger, I liked bikinis a lot.

walter said...

Great Scot!,
Are you referring to new materials? Also new procedures like labiaplasty.

tim in vermont said...

I think Paglia has no clue as to what drives heterosexual men. Playboy, from the man's point of view, was a celebration of female power. Power to make you go to work, work like a slave, and come home and surrender all of your gains to her, as if she were a goddess in a temple.

Looking from the outside, Paglia doesn't get it.

tim in vermont said...

Also new procedures like labiaplasty.

Save the trouble and don't shave, date a guy who came of age in the '70s. On the plus side, most of us will happily pay on dates without even thinking about it.

Caligula said...

"Hefner brilliantly put sex into a continuum of appreciative response to jazz, to art, to ideas, to fine food. This was something brand new. Enjoying fine cuisine had always been considered unmanly in America. "

The simplest explanation for this "brilliance" might be the economics of slick magazines. As difficult as it is to imagine now, the magazine was the foundation on which Hefner built his empire. Magazines were once a big business.

And the economics of glossy magazines is that the cover price does not even cover the cost of printing; sans advertising (or extremely high cover prices) such magazines can't pay their bills.

Economics seems the most obvious reason why Playboy Magazine would have promoted costly consumer products and experiences (and then linked these to sex): doing so made the magazine an attractive medium in which to advertise these costly consumer products and experiences, and thus made the magazine financially viable.

n.n said...

His successors imagined women as barefoot, pregnant, commodities, and available, thus the need need to normalize abortion on demand.

tcrosse said...

The True Intellectual is the guy who beat off to the articles.

William Chadwick said...

My twig was bent (so to speak) long before I could buy my first copy of PLAYBOY and smuggle it into my parents' house; so I can't say he influenced me much regarding anything important. I did not need his coaching to desire sex or appreciating beautiful naked women.) But when Hefner died I immediately remembered La Paglia's appreciation of Hefner teaching heterosexual males to appreciate what used to be called "the finer things in life." I was what I jokingly refer to as "the Straight Gay Male:" the heterosexual who is cultural literate, etc. Good fictional examples would be the Crane boys, Niles and Frasier. In the Fifties and early Sixties we suffered--if that isn't too extreme a term--under a cloud of suspicion that we were actually, secretly homosexual because we didn't have the obsession with sports that "regular guys" had. Thanks, Hef, for giving us a voice.

Char Char Binks said...

However accurately or not Paglia described Hefner, the idea of a playboy predates him. When I was a kid "Playboy" meant a nudie mag, but of course a playboy, a character popular in old movies until displaced by Brando types, was a young man devoted to pleasure. As doing so required means, he was usually something like a gentleman, at least in having disposable wealth. Bruce Wayne was an example, or pretended to be when he wasn't earnestly wearing a cape and fighting crime, as was James Bond, and whether or not playboys were actually gentlemen, they of course enjoyed the finer things -- not just nubile women, but fine cigars, rich Corinthian leather, Jaguars, the second-most expensive wine in the restaurant, leather-bound books and apartments that smelled of rich mahogany, the whole gamut, whether out of true sophistication, or simply from having enough money to spend.

Char Char Binks said...

BTW, Niles Crane, whether it's in the script or not, was gay, and so possibly was Frasier.

Sebastian said...

""the Straight Gay Male:" the heterosexual who is cultural literate, etc. Good fictional examples would be the Crane boys, Niles and Frasier." They were "heterosexual"?

Earnest Prole said...

Niles Crane, whether it's in the script or not, was gay, and so possibly was Frasier.

So you're saying Daphne Moon was a man? In that case I guess I'm gay too.

Char Char Binks said...

Daphne was a beard.

Roughcoat said...

Show of hands: who here remembers Porfirio Rubirosa, the archetypal jet-set playboy?

Who remembers "jet-set"?

tcrosse said...

Niles Crane, whether it's in the script or not, was gay, and so possibly was Frasier.

David Hyde Pierce, who played Niles, has come out as gay.

tcrosse said...

Show of hands: who here remembers Porfirio Rubirosa, the archetypal jet-set playboy?

The gigantic pepper mill used in fancy restaurants was nicknamed the Rubirosa. Hint, hint.

SDaly said...

I don't know, Cary Grant's character in "The Philadelphia Story" seemed like a masculine guy who enjoyed the finer things in life. (Although in the movie his taste in women was not for the "curvy" Playboy type.)

Darrell said...

Before she died in 1975, Flor de Oro provided an audiotaped account of her life with Rubi to a friend, Maritza Quinones. In it, Flor described what had happened after the wedding: “We were brought to a bungalow on the grounds of the palace. I was still wearing my wedding dress so that my mother [who was not invited by Trujillo to the wedding] could see it before I lost my virginity.… He took me to the nuptial bed. I was scared—this thing lurching at me! I was disgusted and … became afraid, running all over the house.” Flor said she was sore for a week after that first night.

Darrell said...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2002/11/porfirio-rubirosa-200211

walter said...

Got married 8 times after him...must have had a hard time finding another that measured up.

William Chadwick said...

"BTW, Niles Crane, whether it's in the script or not, was gay, and so possibly was Frasier."

Niles (the character, not to the actor who played him) was straight, with a long-standing crush on Daphne. Frasier was also heterosexual, as was the actor who played him, Kelsey Grammer (and who was at one time, I believe, married to a PLAYBOY model).

There's a difference, kids, between an actor and the role he plays. Tom Hanks is, as far as we know, straight, yet played a Gay guy dying of AIDS in PHILADELPHIA.

mccullough said...

Paglia thinks Trump is the last of the Rat Pack

exiledonmainstreet said...


Michael K said;

"I have not run a study"

Ask your OB/GYN friends. The straight male ones probably appreciate a bit of Victoria's Secret when they get home after spending the day examining hospital gown clad women all day long under decidedly unflattering light.

Earnest Prole said...

David Hyde Pierce, who played Niles, has come out as gay.

Well call me Elvis and love me tender!

Yes, David Hyde Pierce is gay. "My life is an open book, but don’t expect me to read it to you,” David Hyde Pierce famously quipped in an interview. Those who didn't know he was gay apparently didn't know how to read.

At any rate, I assumed when you wrote Niles Crane you meant the character, not the actor.

Michael K said...

"xiledonmainstreet said...

Michael K said;

"I have not run a study"

Ask your OB/GYN friends."

When I was a medical student, one of the docs in my Air Force unit was an OB resident at UCLA.

He took me to labor and delivery one night. The patient was a mentally retarded girl in,labor.

We could not convince her she was having a baby. She thought it was a big bowel movement.

When I went home that night, I did not even want to look at my wife.

My last delivery was when I was working an ER when a resident. A woman came in in labor who looked like a homeless person.

She had flagged down a young guy driving by who brought her in. She had cigarette burns on her.

The OB on call did not make it in (no surprise) and I delivered the baby.

Not the best start in life,.

Michael K said...

Blogger tcrosse said...
Show of hands: who here remembers Porfirio Rubirosa, the archetypal jet-set playboy?

The gigantic pepper mill used in fancy restaurants was nicknamed the Rubirosa. Hint, hint.


Aly Khan, who took Rita Hayworth away from Orson Welles, is supposed to have studied with a guru who taught him to restrain orgasm so he could go for an hour.

He was popular.

tim in vermont said...

And meanwhile, men are shrinking. I see men turning away from women and simply being content with the world of fantasy because women have become too think-skinned, resentful and high maintenance.

Men are being beaten down by the media, the culture, women feel entitled and "empowered" to indulge their most selfish impulses freely "Gurl power!!!" Well girls do have the power to drive away men.

tim in vermont said...

Actual letter to advice columnist in The Nation:

Monogamy feels antithetical to the type of feminism and anticapitalism I subscribe to. I am repulsed by the idea of being a man’s property. Also, monogamy—like capitalism—requires us to believe in a false scarcity: that we have to struggle for every little bit and that everything we gain comes at someone else’s expense. The kind of liberatory future I’d like to see is one of abundance and generosity and sharing. One of the few places we can experiment with that now is in our love lives. 


But ALL the decent men I’ve dated are really opposed to open relationships, while the men I’ve slept with who say they fancy the idea don’t ever stick around long enough for the “relationship” part of an open relationship. 



LOL, you should read the whole thing, if you want to laugh and cry. This is the kind of abuse college professors have heaped on the young minds entrusted to their care.

EMyrt said...

rcocean said...

"As for Hefner making "fine eating" a manly thing. I think James Bond had much more influence then Hefner. James Bond, suave, sophisticated, who loved a good meal, a fine martini and had good taste in everything, when he wasn't he killing bad guys."

Playboy was a relentless promoter of Bond, including publishing a couple of the Fleming short stories as well as regular feature articles on the films, music and Bond Girls.

tim in vermont said...

When Paglia talks about "vagina dentate" I have no idea what she means. I never liked "blowjob dentate" I will admit, but just because some primitive culture had some story doesn't make it a universal thing among men. Does the human race have to own everything any primitive tribe anywhere in the world believed at one time as intrinsic to each individual born today? I don't think so.

buwaya said...

"Does the human race have to own everything any primitive tribe anywhere in the world believed at one time as intrinsic to each individual born today? "

If you take Frazer's "Golden Bough" seriously, yes, a lot of this stuff (not all of it, but plenty of much of it) is the subtext of what we are even now; present even if subconsciously. Or, perhaps, that is latent in human nature and likely to recur in some similar form.

mockturtle said...

James Bond was a satirical figure--a tongue-in-cheek protagonist. Hefner's Playboy, while popular with pubescent boys, was simply demeaning and exploitative, for all its presumptions to sophistication.

Char Char Binks said...

"Niles (the character, not to the actor who played him) was straight, with a long-standing crush on Daphne."

Wrong, absolutely, completely wrong! The character may have been written as straight, barely, but he was played as gay as it gets.

I have a theory that, contrary to popular misconception, gays are in fact LESS able than straights when it comes to the arts, especially acting. D. H. Pierce could not believably play straight, but Hanks and Banderas could easily play gay. Remember Tom Hulce playing a "straight" Mozart -- complete rubbish. Many straight actors have done well playing gay, whether as flighty and flamboyant, or played more "straight". The only gays who could seem straight were the butch-er, closeted or semi-closeted types like Rock Hudson and Richard Chamberlain, although I think a gay actor who played one straight character on "Frasier" (not Niles) did a commendable job, possibly because he played a stereotypical caricature of a horny straight guy.

Big Mike said...

@mockturtle, see my comment at 1:13.

tim in vermont said...

Wrong, absolutely, completely wrong! The character may have been written as straight, barely, but he was played as gay as it gets.

It's wrong that he had a crush on Daphne? To be honest, who didn't?

Lost My Cookies said...

I think Hulce probably did a good job with Mozart. If you think Of the weird fashion of the period. Fops were in. Lace, slippers, perfume,affected speech, all of that signaled upper class and leisure, like the lumberjack beard today.

walter said...

Michael K said...We could not convince her she was having a baby. She thought it was a big bowel movement.
--
I wonder what she thought the precipitating act was...and what she named the baby.

Mountain Maven said...

Hefner was evil and Paglia is evil and crazy. Why would a woman defend Hefner? I guess if a woman supports abortion, hefners not so bad.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Michael K said...We could not convince her she was having a baby.


Did she ever figure it out? Poor woman. Poor child.