Trump supporters to this day are not understood. They are still impugned and mocked and laughed at. But they have grown tired of a country they love as being under assault as unjust or immoral or illegitimate. They’re fed up with it. Their president defends it, defends them. The specifics don’t matter. There is finally somebody speaking up for America. “But, Rush! But, Rush! The protesters are speaking up for America.” They may think so, but they’re not, in the eyes of most NFL fans. They’re not speaking up for America. This is not complicated, either....Motley's point, by the way, is close to what I was saying yesterday in "Just when liberal media was gearing up to destroy football over all the brain damage, Trump calls for a boycott of football over the National Anthem protests."
Donald Trump instinctively knows where the heart of America is. The National Football League all these years has thought that it knew because of its robust popularity and money. But it turns out it didn’t, and doesn’t.
Here’s another theory that was sent to me. My old buddy Seton Motley said: “The left’s idea to play up the NFL protests knowing it would further the left’s effort to kill the NFL by bringing the right against it is brilliant strategy, and the political neophyte NFL is the useful idiot in its own impending demise.”
September 25, 2017
"I haven’t seen a single play that happened yesterday in the NFL. And I’m not urging people to… It’s not a boycott. I just didn’t feel it."
"As I said, the thrill’s gone. The sadness was overwhelming.... I don’t know that the NFL understands what’s happening to it. I really don’t think they do," said Rush Limbaugh on his show today.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 226 of 226Mr. Majestyk notes: Indeed, Craig's jump straight to such a lack of charity seems endemic to his comments.
With malice toward all and charity for some.
I see the Cowboys and Jerry Jones middle position of kneeling before the anthem and standing during it has pleased no one and has reignited the blaze. Jebus, can anyone out there play this game?
Soldier Field is not in "South Side Chicago." It is on the Lake Front next to Downtown and the McCormick Place complex. It is not in a residential neighborhood. However the condos that have been built nearby, just west of the tracks, are very high-end. Only wealthy people can afford to live in them. It's a safe area because it's populated by wealthy white people. Richie Daley lived there (maybe still does, I dunno) after moving out of Bridgeport.
Sebastian said...
The irony will be that for conservative, patriotic US sports fans, the most international games will be the final refuge -- golf, the EPL, and the Champions League. Maybe hockey--we'll see; certainly the NHL has a huge marketing opportunity.
I expect shooting range participation to increase dramatically.
Ad hominem away nutsos.
Would this be filed under unintentional Irony?
The Seahawks cowered in their locker room. Fan for 30+ years.
The Vox fan site banned me for calling people SJW's but didn't ban people calling me a racist.
When the Seahawks lose I am going to be the anti-fan. I am going to tell people who wear Seahawk jersey's that the NFL is a disgusting league that hates the flag and veterans and the police. Because it is true.
I am going to convince people to not go to games and to stop watching it on TV. I might even put up a flag in front of the stadium this weekend and stand by it with a sign asking people to respect veterans and police. If the wife lets me...
I didn't mind it when it was just Colin Kaepernik
But after this weekend I'm about ready to start rooting for the concussions.
I am done with the NFL. I feel bad for the 80 percent who didn't suck up to the powers that be, as if that meant something - but the 20 per cent who disrespected, every single one of them, better men than themselves - they are no longer athletes, they are no longer entertainers, they are politicians, and they are bad politicians. I have no respect for them.
At this point, I don't think anyone knows what they are doing. It is just confused, mindless posturing about they know not what. Is there a message here? Maybe that they have all been hit in the head too many times.
The Chicago Symphony plays The Star Spangled Banner at the opening concert every year. I wonder if anyone took a knee during that.
If you look at the NFL's players' wrap sheets, you see why they don't like cops.
"Ad hominem away nutsos."
"I'm rooting for concussions."
Some seriously funny stuff here.
On Sunday I watched a bunch of 10YO girls run up and down a soccer field for more than hour. They were in 100 degree Texas heat. One team won. One team lost. They formed a line and shook hands when it was over. And not one of them whined to the coaches afterward. That's my Sunday team from now on. And when soccer is over they will have basketball, then softball, etc. The NFL has found a ditch they want to die in. Go on. No effect on me or my family whatsoever.
ignore me
Challenge accepted
The right can take a big pound of flesh out of NFL, maybe kill it, but is this them doing the left's work for them, destroying a right oriented institution? Otoh, if the institution is doing these things, it's not really the right's institution, is it?
MLB recovered from the Black Sox scandal so perhaps NFL can recover from this. If so it will involve purges of dissident players and possibly forcing lefty owners to sell.
I don't care because I'm not interested in football except to be polite to other people. But this year I won't be polite. I always join the office football pool but no more.
So my five bucks is out of the football economy. All I could do except step up behind one of these people with a silenced .22, and I don't have a silenced .22 plus I wouldn't know one player from another. And of course that's excessive; they have a right to jerkify, so that would be extreme. Let the sport kill itself.
Leftism<--THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
"If you look at the NFL's players' wrap sheets, you see why they don't like cops."
Posted in Insty yesterday. NFL crime stats: by team, by player, by crime. The league leader is Adam "Pacman" Jones. Ten (10) arrests to date. Still playing for the Cincy Bungles. I'll bet he's a kneeler.
http://nflarrest.com/
I watch sports to be entertained not preached to.
If I want a sermon I'll go to church.
I agree with previous comments in regards to the Trumpian strategy of aligning himself with the anthem and flag. Clever, but only what I’ve come to expect from my President.
Let us not forget that the owners reside in the “wealthy” bubble. Their class is largely immune to the effects of political correctness and catering to the Social Justice Warrior antics was the path of least resistance for a sports organization populated mostly by rich, pampered minorities.
No matter what motivation may be claimed by the kneelers or their apologists, kneeling during the anthem and the showing of the flag cannot be justified merely by citing Trump as the target. Trump is by no means sacred but the flag certainly is.
Banishing the anthem will not work. Hiding the players until the anthem is done will not work. Locking arms instead of kneeling will not work. Kneeling before the anthem to protest Trump and adopting various disrespectful postures during the ensuing showing of the flag and anthem will not work. Orchestrated team demonstrations at any time during the events specifically against Trump will backfire bigly. No combination of any of these remedies will work. The only thing that would work is a respectful posture during the anthem by all players and personnel without any presumptuous virtue-signaling against Trump at any time during the event and I do not see that as likely to happen soon.
From what was originally a slightly uncomfortable position for the NFL owners (one kneeling player on a team based in a liberal stronghold) Trump has succeeded in single-handedly reshaping the kneeling into an untenable situation for them – while at the same time affiliating himself with the flag, the anthem and all that is patriotic in general.
On another tangent - I wonder not whether kneeling will spread from the NFL to college football (which I think it will not) but rather whether kneeling could spread to the NBA. I think it might. The PC urge to be against Trump at all costs just might be too seductive.
With one caveat, I think the NBA to be even more potentially amenable to anti-Trump and anti-flag sentiment than the NFL. The NBA is star-driven, mainly because a team consists of only 5 players from a 15-player roster. Contrast this with the NFL, in which each franchise fields a team of 11 players from a 53-player roster. The NFL is owner-driven.
I would be willing to bet if there was any way to collect my winnings that every star in the NBA is anti-Trump and each is probably eager to demonstrate that dislike.
With football the fans are seated relatively far away. Booing doesn’t necessarily have a large impact on the NFL players’ psyches. But in the NBA the fans are practically in the players’ laps. Some heavy booing during their pathetic political posturing might give some ignorant athletes a much-needed lesson in customer service.
The whole thing as presented here is one big batch of Janes Crazy. You’re saying that the left/lib med is torn because Trump interrupted their NFL death-a-thon by saying to boycott the games, so they had to retrace their steps and advocate watching again. But you’re also saying that Trump is telling his base to stop doing what they love so much, the conservative touchstone, watching the NFL. (We’ll leave aside for now how the right hates the left’s strategy of boycotting everything.)
Now you say that in response to news of football’s link to CTE, it will be hard for any sane person to watch the sport, but then you cite Rush for backup to your position when in reality his position (the story you recently linked to) is to question the CTE link as hype because someone somewhere at some time suggested that Tony Dorsett, a living person, has it, but because CTE is only dx upon autopsy, that hmm maybe we are all just overreacting. ProFootballTalk, the website, the sporting news, the New York Times, The Atlantic, ABC, NBC, CBS, and they all got punked… They all fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Pass the pepper.
Otoh, if the institution is doing these things, it's not really the right's institution, is it?
The death knell was Goodell's mishandling Ray Rice. To keep his job he had to let the SJWs into the league by forming a domestic violence committee. Once you establish a power base without effective limitation they will infect everything you do. You're (supposed to be) running a football league but all they care about is politics. There is no one to tell them no because no other political people are involved. The left has long experience in this after taking over academia, media, and government. And now the NFL will experience the decline in prestige and support seen by those largely corrupt and useless institutions.
[There's complete unamity among the players and owners to support the kneelers and oppose Trump.]
Got any basis for any of this?
Sure, it's totally credible that a league with ~1,700 players and ~500 coaches would experience complete political unanimity. Surely no one would feel restrained in the face of unbelievably vile personal attacks or employment retribution based on political differences. It's not like we've had multiple public instances of this type of retribution.
I haven't said anything about coercion at all.
Apparently if we don't say anything about it coercion must not be happening.
Anyone here remember the 1968 Mexico City Olympics when a couple of black athletes raised a gloved fist in protest on the podium, dissing the very country they represented?
tim in vermont said...
I don't get why liberals think that the opinions of liberals in other countries should have any effect on how Americans should vote, or why they think that foreigners have America's bests interests at heart when they criticize America.
The scientific approach is to create a null hypothesis and try to prove it wrong.
I suggest: They hate America and those Americans who love it.
Now find one piece of evidence proving this wrong.
After Sunday's outrageous highway robbery against my Detroit Lions (yet again!), I just turned to my wife and said, "I'm done with the NFL."
Between the incredibly inept officiating (at least, I *hope* they're inept and not something worse), the noxious politics and the ever-present concussions, I think I've had enough.
Besides, hockey's season's starting!
As a season ticket holder at Lambeau for 20+ years (longer since tickets were in the family since dad was on the board), I plop down my hard earned dollars and have only a few expectations when I attend the game:
1- I will get frustrated once or twice by other drivers going to the game who feel that 6 extra seconds will allow them to drink one more beer.
2- I will stand in line way too long waiting to enter the stadium - for my own protection.
3- I will see a football game - hopefully played with passion and effort by all players.
I don't pay to see a protest. I don't pay to see a 'political message'. I want to escape that which is way too prevalent in everyday life. Please give me and others our 3 hours of sanity back.
If the players and owners feel they have a voice and a powerful message that must be heard, let them rent out a high school auditorium on a Tuesday night and have at it. Those who are excited about the message can attend. Let those of us excited about the game have our 3 hours on Sunday.
With one caveat, I think the NBA to be even more potentially amenable to anti-Trump and anti-flag sentiment than the NFL.
The NBA has actually punished a player in the past for not standing respectfully for the national anthem.
Marriage, the Church, the Boy Scouts, and now the NFL: everything has become politicized. You have to actively work to protect quiet time away from noise.
If I were a betting person, if it comes down to the demise of the NFL and the demise of the Trump presidency, my money is on the demise of the Trump presidency. Trump won't win this one.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Lowest number in polling is 54% side with Trump. High is two thirds out five minutes ago. People want the NFL on Sundays not the SJW. Fifty years of increasing ratings on TV, always up, until last year. Now we have roughly half the audience of 2015 tuning in.
Trump can't lose because he's on the side of America, football and harder hitting!
Here is the deal though: Under this scenario who will receive blame for the death of the NFL ... not brain damage but ...
Leftist activism.
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