Said Brittany Caine-Conley, of the Sojourners United Church of Christ, quoted in "McAuliffe Counters Critics of Police Response to Charlottesville Violence" (NYT).
What is Governor McAuliffe's answer to the critics?
“You can’t stop some crazy guy who came here from Ohio and used his car as a weapon. He is a terrorist.”That doesn't explain doing nothing about the fighting and brawling Caine-Conley describes. And if the police had managed the crowds, perhaps the car incident would not have been triggered.
Interesting that McAuliffe is calling Fields a "crazy guy." So many people seem intent on characterizing Fields as part of a significant political movement.
Jason Kessler, the organizer of the so-called Unite the Right rally... complained that the authorities had “exacerbated the violence” by failing to separate his followers from counterprotesters, leading to the melee.I've seen how the police have managed crowds here in Madison, Wisconsin — huge rallies with opposing sides. I'd like to know how the police in Virginia could be so impotent. Are they so afraid of being accused of doing something wrong that they protect themselves by doing nothing?
Asked about the brawling and why police did not do more to control it, Brian Moran, Virginia’s secretary of public safety, said in an interview on Sunday that “it was a volatile situation and it’s unfortunate people resorted to violence.’’ But, he said, “From our plan, to ensure the safety of our citizens and property, it went extremely well.’’Pathetic. The police were afraid of the guns? But no shots were fired, even in response to punching and brawling. That makes it sound as though those people with guns were quite restrained, and yet they terrified the police.
Governor McAuliffe also defended the police response, saying, “It’s easy to criticize, but I can tell you this, 80 percent of the people here had semiautomatic weapons. You saw the militia walking down the street, you would have thought they were an army,” he added. “I was just talking to the State Police upstairs; they had better equipment than our State Police had,” he said, referring to the militia members. “And yet not a shot was fired, zero property damage.”
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 319 of 319Achilles rightly asserts: So yes the cities are rigging the system against the rural areas. There are numerous examples of urban busy bodies using government to tilt the scales. I doubt we are the only state with such issues.
This has been the case ever since I can remember. Many would like the Inland Northwest to join together as a new state. And just so we keep the number of states at 50, we can give California to Mexico in exchange for a wall.
ARM wrote: The fascists who invaded Charlottesville, against the will of the people of Charlottesville, carry the responsibility here. They were not wanted.
Now we know who ARM really is.
Welcome, "Bull" Connor, we all thought you were dead.
"Even if Machiavelli rose from the grave and wrote the decree himself, it is still the right of the burghers of Charlottesville to decide what fucking statues they put up in their own fucking park."
True, and if that is the will of the people of Charlotte, by popular vote or by act of the burghers, the statue should be removed, but it's still the right of the people to protest that decision, and to try to influence the government to change it. The alt-right were exercising their 1A rights to peaceably assemble and speak. The Anti-First-Amendment Blackshirts were there not to demonstrate for the statue's removal (they already won that fight) but, by criminal acts of intimidation, force, and violence, to deny the people the right to protest. They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed.
And if he does, what's it to you? Who put you in charge of deciding which statues people get to like?
It's in the public interest to discuss the motivations of people committing acts of violence in a political context, got it?
The communists who invaded Birmingham, against the will of the people of Birmingham, carry the responsibility here. They are not wanted.
Unknown said...Didn't his mother say he was there for Trump? Or because of Trump? She said she didn't know a thing about the Nazi stuff, lol.
The mother provides the nexus Inga seeks: Trump caused the mow-down.
Mock,
Ya must realize that the growth is not impoverished illegals picking produce (or, assuming the DJT dream: impoverished US citizens picking produce, or machines)?
You didn't work in fields in those shitty parts of WA.
It's all fun and games to jabber on threads. But, math is math. Dough is dough.
Presumably being reality based is a conservative thing-y.
"I'm glad at least one of them was killed."
Karma may decide you should get hit by a bus tommorow.
It's in the public interest to discuss the motivations of people committing acts of violence in a political context, got it?
You mean stuff like this, eh Snowflake?" Nah, couldn't be. Violence against a right winger isn't violence, is it?
Is some unknown person threatening me?
Not to mention, Mock, that where you did work, in an uber-cool looking building (or the building behind that building) closed shop to move into the center of the city.
Come on.
There's no way that you don't know that Seattle is a powerhouse and losers (but nice people) on the Eastside and in other DJT areas are not the drivers of growth now, and ever.
3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...
Ach,
We still got a supper regressive tax code. Which happens to be the best way to enhance economic growth, i.e. taxing consumption, but not capital.
But the feds still tax labor which is stupid. We need to start taxing automation/robots/AI services and eliminate taxes on jobs.
If Seattle (WA) can keep that we'd be better than fine.
My problem is with Seattle repressing industry in the rest of the state and giving massive amounts of corporate welfare to the megacorps that reside inside/around the city.
"I'm glad at least one of them was killed."
Karma may decide you should get hit by a bus tommorow.
"Is some unknown person threatening me?"
My name isn't Karma. But I'd be careful when crossing any streets tomorrow.
True, and if that is the will of the people of Charlotte, by popular vote or by act of the burghers, the statue should be removed...
Charlottesville, Char Char. Please learn the geography of your country.
If it was an elective abortion, then send the driver to Planned Parenthood. If it was an effort to escape a trap set by the Antifa mob, then it may be self-defense, and the mob should be prosecuted for creating a dangerous environment. Either way, the Democratic authorities should be investigated as accessories to forcing catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.
My name isn't Karma. But I'd be careful when crossing any streets tomorrow.
Sounds like a threat to me. You should be banned from this forum, Unknown. If this were my blog I'd bounce you so hard your IP would be down for a week.
You mean stuff like this, eh Snowflake?" Nah, couldn't be. Violence against a right winger isn't violence, is it?
Don't put words in my mouth dumbshit, go ahead and discuss it as much as you want.
Everyone just needs to calm down, and stop jumping to conclusions.
As President Obama (pbuh) said when a devout follower of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) murdered a score of soldiers on his own Army base "We don't know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts. What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday."
What a calm, clear statement - none of this messy condemnation or placing of blame. Just sympathy and prayers for the victims, and a measured "wait and see" attitude regarding the alleged perpetrator. I think we should all take a page from Mr. Obama's playbook here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-dont-jump-to-conclusions/
Ach,
re corporate welfare, we gots nutin' on Meade's savior, i.e. Walker and Taiwan/Foxconn.
In fact, the best generalized break we have is for manufacturing. Any manufacture can buy their equip sans state sales/use tax.
Sure, they kill ya in other ways, e.g. if you're not self insured re L&I and such, but stuff costs dough. The gov needs some dough, so it's comin' from somewhere. As long as we keep their grubby hands on consumption and off of capital (as much as possible), we're golden.
IMHO.
"The fascists who invaded Charlottesville, against the will of the people of Charlottesville, carry the responsibility here. They were not wanted."
That's comedy gold right there!!
If I were Mr. Kessler I'd be looking for a shark-toothed law firm to press a civil rights lawsuit against the mayor of Charlottesville. Maybe Anthony McAuliffe as well. Love them or hate them the Alt-Righters had every legal t crossed and i dotted for their demonstration. Allowing Antifa to attack their rally by standing down the cops was a clear violation of the right of peaceable assembly.
Q, I call it Charlotte for short.
They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed. - Char Char Binks
Let it be known that Achilles has failed to denounce or condemn this statement.
That's comedy gold right there!!
That was "A Reasonable Man" from much earlier.
Our property taxes are relatively low, too.
Which is nice for folks who can't take advantage of of having debt on their stuff, cause they F-ing own it. I.e., own capital.
"Why can't we be that way with our political opponents? I fear the left would be the side that refused to shake hands."
And the right would be the side that were given phony grades to keep them eligible because they were too dumb to take and pass a legitimate class.
3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...
Mock,
Ya must realize that the growth is not impoverished illegals picking produce (or, assuming the DJT dream: impoverished US citizens picking produce, or machines)?
You didn't work in fields in those shitty parts of WA.
Our family used to own one of those farms. Those farms are in general corporate and large now. The regulations and taxes are far more difficult for small farmers to deal with.
The governments at various levels could not have done a better job putting small farmers out of business.
It's all fun and games to jabber on threads. But, math is math. Dough is dough.
Presumably being reality based is a conservative thing-y.
Presumably we are all interested in a future where everyone has a fair chance. As it stands now you know the uniparty is tilting the playing field to the wealthy coastal elites. There have been numerous and clear attempts to impoverish rural america. The war on US manufacturing by the globalist elite has been on for decades.
I call it Charlotte for short.
Not likely.
Solomon remains the only rich/wealthy/affluent person to ever exist is what I heard.
Everyone else is tied for last.
Fool yourself that isn't true, no blame to you can accrue, 'tis known sans ego-defense you whither blue, root-loving probity-mocking anew.
"There's more than to life than money you know. Don't you know that?" - Marge Gunderson
As it stands now you know the uniparty is tilting the playing field to the wealthy coastal elites.
But Jelly IS wealthy coastal elite -- with homes in several states -- & a private island, IIRC. There is absolutely no mystery in my view why Jelly is Uniparty.
"As it stands now you know the uniparty is tilting the playing field to the wealthy coastal elites."
Cry me a river.
Long before the recent DJT comment, I've been noting in these threads and (carefully) other places that folks need to move to where the work is. And, they better F-ing show up ready to work, w/ skills. Hoping that coal mining (and such) is going to save you makes you a certifiable idiot. For F-s sake they have machines that fillet F-ing fish in Alaska.
GET A F-ING CLUE: Fox and cons and Foxconn and Althouse and libs are lying to you. 95%: your (and your kid's) life is going to get worse, but it won't for 5 to 1 percent of ya.
Hey, at least, goin' the otha' way, it's certain that a bunch of rich inheritance kids are gonna' end up F-ed. But, if you think that's cathartic....you're doomed. Wrong mindset. IMHO.
Here's the DJT comment:
http://www.timesunion.com/7day-business/article/Trump-says-upstate-New-Yorkers-should-move-leave-11437258.php
The US actually has an extremely progressive tax system compared to most developed countries, looking strictly at income. There are several reports on this, I think by the OECD. Go have a look.
It does peter out in progression, effectively, above a certain degree of income, that is if you go beyond the top decile and start fine analysis of, what else, the 1%, or perhaps the .1%.
There may be an argument for a Euro-style wealth tax, but that has been evaded there, and thats probably way too messy for the US. Good Lord, that would just be a way for cities to steal more money by exploiting rules, eh?
As for cities as engines of growth - no not really. Going back to the failure of the industrial base in these places, their real role was to suck up money from the rest of the economy. The cities essentially are where the bigger owners collect profits, grow equity, and clip coupons, besides every other sort of skimming off the real economy, mainly by exploiting laws and regulations. And of course maintaining hordes of courtiers and servants. And I ought to know, I live in one of these cities. Absolutely nothing of any use comes out of here.
holdfast wails: As President Obama (pbuh) said when a devout follower of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) murdered a score of soldiers on his own Army base "We don't know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts. What we do know is that there are families, friends and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday."
I was waiting for the /sarc tag which didn't come. Instead came:
What a calm, clear statement - none of this messy condemnation or placing of blame. Just sympathy and prayers for the victims, and a measured "wait and see" attitude regarding the alleged perpetrator. I think we should all take a page from Mr. Obama's playbook here.
IIRC, Mr. Obama called it a 'workplace violence' incident. I'm not sure he ever called it terrorism. He was always quick to deflect blame away from Muslim perpetrators.
And they bloody well dont make or even design fish-filleting robots in San Francisco.
Useful tech or automation is not made here. It is, at best, administered and leeched off of here.
Its an economy of nothing.
I always have to remind myself that I've never played the lottery and I didn't gamble until I could burn piles of money for fun.
But, the population does these things.
Anywho, probably none of ya get why this comment ties in w/ my others.
"My name isn't Karma. But I'd be careful when crossing any streets tomorrow."
"Sounds like a threat to me. You should be banned from this forum, Unknown. If this were my blog I'd bounce you so hard your IP would be down for a week."
Watch out Quackster, Karma gonna get you too!
As for cities as engines of growth - no not really. Going back to the failure of the industrial base in these places, their real role was to suck up money from the rest of the economy. The cities essentially are where the bigger owners collect profits, grow equity, and clip coupons, besides every other sort of skimming off the real economy, mainly by exploiting laws and regulations. And of course maintaining hordes of courtiers and servants. And I ought to know, I live in one of these cities. Absolutely nothing of any use comes out of here.
Excellent, buwaya!
antiphone said...
"They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed. - Char Char Binks"
Let it be known that Achilles has failed to denounce or condemn this statement.
On the one hand I missed that comment. On the other...
If you show up with intent to start a fight and you get a fight you really do not have any room to complain. I went to Iraq and Afghanistan with the intent to fight. We were combatants and none of us claimed innocence.
I do disagree with wishing for innocents to die.
People that are in Antifa Mobs and participating in violence are not innocents.
As it is now if Antifa wins it is clear they will do to the US what socialists did to Cuba or Venezuela or Germany. They are violent fascists.
My stance would be that I hope they surrender and participate peacefully in democracy. If they don't then they should be arrested and put in jail. The police should have been filling up buses with these fuckwits and stuffing them in an empty school somewhere.
If the police in democrat cities a the behest of democrat politicians refuse to protect the safety of all citizens and enforce the law impartially the Department of Justice needs to start throwing Mayors and Police chiefs in jail.
If it comes down to a choice between our civil, unalienable, rights as defined in the constitution and the bill of rights and not killing a bunch of Antifa thugs? The Antifa thugs are gonna go one way or another and you leftists had many many steps to take to tear down the base of our civil society.
They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed. - Char Char Binks
"Let it be known that Achilles has failed to denounce or condemn this statement."
This is an epic comment!
@mock.
I figured the double "(bpuh)" would suffice for a /sarc tag, but I guess not.
My point was how "calm" the left (including their avatar/personal savior, Obama) could be in the face of a horrific slaughter of our soldiers by an Islamist infiltrator - and yet in the current case they've already convicted the driver and decided that everyone to the right of HRC must suffer for his sins.
Where is that picture? Ah, here it is Eastern Washington Visits Seattle
"The Antifa thugs are gonna go one way or another and you leftists had many many steps to take to tear down the base of our civil society."
Because nothing says "civil society" like doing a Nazi Torchlight March Recreation! Wave your Swastica!
holdfast explains: My point was how "calm" the left (including their avatar/personal savior, Obama) could be in the face of a horrific slaughter of our soldiers by an Islamist infiltrator - and yet in the current case they've already convicted the driver and decided that everyone to the right of HRC must suffer for his sins.
Gotcha. I'm relieved.
3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...
I always have to remind myself that I've never played the lottery and I didn't gamble until I could burn piles of money for fun.
But, the population does these things.
Anywho, probably none of ya get why this comment ties in w/ my others.
Our goals are -probably- the same.
I am having the discussion now with some people about what -will- be. Power is going to concentrate in a smaller and smaller number of hands. I think things are going to happen sooner rather than later.
I think in less than 30 years there will be about .5% of the population usefully employed. If we are still a species. A very small number of "People" will be in charge. I say "People" but that should really be Entities. Un-upgraded humans will be hopelessly left behind.
The question is what do we want society to look like at that point and will it matter what we want.
If these lefty trolls were really outraged by us deplorables why do they spend so much time here?
"Excellent, buwaya!"
Sure, brilliant.
Go to coal and fracking and picking produce in Eastern WA. And the rest of the dogma, too.
Paying Taiwanese to build stuff where the range of their commitment to employees is variable, but your payout is fixed and massive. And, sure the world will bend the knee to DJT, cuase he's the best deal maker ever (never mind that (according to math) much better deal-makers are opposed to him: FAG NEWS). Whatever it is that y'all think is the freedom utopia that results from DJT and/or Rs in political power: after it's all entrenched, i.e., finishing the Reagan legacy (when things started looking up for normal folks [ha ha]): Hurrah for you. You Win!!
[They say he who laughs last, laughs loudest. OTOH, unlike most of a certain sort, I'll feel sorrow. But, ya did it to yourself. So, LOL]
By benefitting from the Crusades, wasn't this incident an example of the involved predictably reaping ancestoral winds sewn?
In other words, 'Sades yo.
'Sades.
Unknown said...
"The Antifa thugs are gonna go one way or another and you leftists had many many steps to take to tear down the base of our civil society."
Because nothing says "civil society" like doing a Nazi Torchlight March Recreation! Wave your Swastica!
Spelling idiocy aside I know you were trying to be sarcastic. But that is what a free civil society is all about. A small fringe group of people nobody likes goes in and stands around a statue for a while. Says stupid stuff on megaphones, then leaves.
In our civil society they have a right to go in and say their stupid crap and leave. People who oppose them can group up on the other side of the street and say their stupid stuff.
If there is violence the police start throwing the instigators in jail. This is the broken link. The Antifa thugs should have been arrested in mass because they had no permit and they formed a mob and attacked a much smaller group of people.
If you leftists refuse to play by the rules of a free civil society we will put you down. If the leftist mayors and governors conspire to deprive people of their civil rights the DOJ should throw them in jail. If the DOJ refuses to do this then they are failing in their responsibilities as well.
"I think in less than 30 years there will be about .5% of the population usefully employed."
You don't understand that real people already don't need normal people in this country.
Normal people have almost no leverage. And DJT supporters (like you) are eagerly giving over the bit you have left.
"BUILD THE WALL" Feels good. Huh?
Funny stuff.
Unknown said...
They were there for the feeling of moral superiority in their virtue signaling and for the more visceral thrill of street fighting. I'm glad at least one of them was killed. - Char Char Binks
"Let it be known that Achilles has failed to denounce or condemn this statement."
This is an epic comment!
Other than being 3 minutes late this comment is kinda cute. But it isn't nearly as dumb as Inga's belief that Obama backing down from his red lines was the smart thing to do.
It is just really dumb, not epic dumb.
The Antifa thugs should have been arrested in mass because they had no permit and they formed a mob and attacked a much smaller group of people.
What source do you base this on?
The Fatal Conceit is considering, even if only in a moment noteable for its briefness, anyone not the single richest person alive able to not be fatally conceited.
The richest one is the only non-fatal unconceited conceivable rationally.
"But it isn't nearly as dumb as Inga's belief that Obama backing down from his red lines was the smart thing to do."
He went to congress for approval for military action. Ya know, being all Constitutionally, but the R congress refuses to authorize military action.
Anywho, never mind that.
BHO shoulda just nuked Syria.
F congress. F the constitution.
Hopefully DJT will nuke Syria and NK and Iran. All w/o any congressional approval.
Yay!!!
In general, Malthusian predictions of impending doom are mostly nonsense.
Hmm,
Lets take electricty.
Lets see what you can do with, oh, really cheap electricity?
Like, maybe, chemicals (see trends in US Chemical industry), materials (sintering tech among others), automated construction systems, and of course actual high-strength "printers".
Expensive electricity just gets you plenty of regulators, lawyers and clerks (all in an office block in the city) arguing about rates and who is the goat.
Real things are real. In cities all you do these days is unreal things, shuffle paper in the most expensive way possible to skim the most value you can off the real economy.
No new products, no new services. And a zero sum game overall.
Its bleeding obvious why genuine technological progress has slowed to a crawl - because the best and brightest Americans have been diverted into futile, unproductive endeavors.
As other nations plunged into anarchy have discovered, there comes a time when money isn't even fit to wipe your ass.
3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...
You don't understand that real people already don't need normal people in this country.
Normal people have almost no leverage. And DJT supporters (like you) are eagerly giving over the bit you have left.
"BUILD THE WALL" Feels good. Huh?
I would be interested to know what you think the source of leverage of the little have people is.
Honestly interested unlike most people here.
And Taiwan is an expensive place to make things these days. Even China is getting up there.
The US can compete if it can bring back manufacturing tech and human capital that has atrophied as the manufacture/assembly moved. It turns out that its quite hard to continue designing and developing if you arent actually making.
antiphone said...
The Antifa thugs should have been arrested in mass because they had no permit and they formed a mob and attacked a much smaller group of people.
What source do you base this on?
CNN is just one source.
"A Ku Klux Klan rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, drew about 50 Klan members and supporters Saturday -- and several hundred counterprotesters, authorities said."
It has been reported this way in multiple places. Antifa grouped up in a mob and attacked a group they outnumbered more than 10 to 1.
Perhaps you've heard of "deterrence"?
You've just watched it in action. The bad guys deterred the cops.
This has nothing to do with the false claim that the police were "outgunned." It's a question of what you do to prevent violence when some of the people you're dealing with fantasize about violence.
The fascists came heavily armed. The police knew that if it became necessary for them to shoot someone, the likely result would be a firefight, with dozens or hundreds of weapons on the other side, and a bloodbath, with heavy casualties among:
- Police.
- The criminals they were shooting at.
- (Presumably) innocent people standing around those criminals; the fact that you're carrying a flag with swastika and standing beside someone firing at the cops may make you a bad person, but it's not against the law. And if course if any of the fascists had been killed by a police bullet, we'd have an American Horst Wessel.
- Journalists.
- Genuinely innocent bystanders.
It's possible that the police could have done a better job. It's possible that they would have done so had the City prevailed in court on the parade-route question. But it's too easy to sit back and ask "What were the cops doing?" without asking "What should they have been doing?" One death is horrible; more vigorous police work might have prevented it, or might have caused dozens of deaths.
Its bleeding obvious why genuine technological progress has slowed to a crawl - because the best and brightest Americans have been diverted into futile, unproductive endeavors.
I've been saying this about facebook and the other similar "apps."
Trump built buildings.
Google and facebook are parasites, as far as I am concerned. The Google search engine was better than Yahoo but maybe that is not necessarily that stable a situation.
DEC made pretty good mini-computers.
"If these lefty trolls were really outraged by us deplorables why do they spend so much time here?"
Nobody else will talk to them.
Ach,
I'm not sure.
If folks go all Bernie, it's over in the States.
Not to mention that the so-called moderate D stuff is disaster. We're not an isolated island. This is the same reason the DJT protectionism jabber is unwise, imho.
OTOH, R pols will sell out normal folks cause of (assuming they're not total hacks) a deeply felt devotion to Rand (the original) and the idea that the so-called free market solves all problems (yes, I acknowledge that's a sloppy characterization, but I did the same on the D side, so STFU).
Anywho, Shit's gotten worse for normal Americans since the 80's, but it was better for a good stretch before that.
Keep an eye on that macro and long range stuff before signing up whole-hog w/ the Rs.
IMHO.
I spend mosta my time in DJT areas, even though I've got urban, lib places too. I think we need have a good safety net, but one that doesn't make life too good. And, it's very important to not tell normal income whites (and other groups) that they're stuck because of other people. If they wanna change, they need to learn stuff and move. And, they need to know that it still may not work out, that's life. Stop bitching. Don't expect something from nothing, or something from a mulitiverse, or whatevs: you're not the big bang.
IMHO.
Doc Mike,
You're so funny.
How about comparing value created in your little comparison?
Ya, know the stuff that makes jobs.
Anywho, I'm guessing you're about to tell us all that you gots to catch some Zs.
Too many trolls.
" He was always quick to deflect blame away from Muslim perpetrators."
The medical officers at Ft Hood were afraid to call out this nut who was telling soldiers back from Afghanistan that they had been evil for shooting at Muslims who were shooting at them.
The other docs knew this and were afraid to turn him in.
This is why Trump did the right thing to end that farce about trannie recruits. Trust no one over O-6.
Anywho, probably none of ya get why this comment ties in w/ my others.
Our goals are -probably- the same.
Achilles, man, I love you but don't get high on your own supply.
Are you taking PBJ seriously?
I wouldn't believe him if he told me he was lying.
Which, he has.
Possibly the worst human being on this board. Possibly ever. I might have to give Cedarford second place to him.
The bright side of a civil war would be the opportunity to shoot pieces of shit like PBJ.
If you think that within our lifetimes automation will replace 95% of humanity, well, they won't. But that's another story. Anything you give this guy, time, attention, information, is like throwing it into a furnace. Except that generates useful power, and your gifts will just go up in toxic smoke.
His goal is to hurt people. Is that your goal?
Dear Achilles, wise the fuck up.
"I'm guessing you're about to tell us all that you gots to catch some Zs."
Actually, I just flew over to LA to work in the morning. I guess you don't have to go to work in the morning, eh ?
Creepy trolls. I don't need "zs," You just creep me out. Books are calling when you creeps show up and take over a thread.
"I wouldn't believe him if he told me he was lying."
I've stated that many times, incl this thread.
In fact, for a while it was part of my name here. 'LyingPB.....'
BTW, I've said I'm a he. So maybe that means I'm a she.
Just sayin' it sounds like ya do believe me, until ya call me she.
Doc Mike,
I gots to get my food stamps tomorrow, then I'll trade them for Tide, then I'll trade the Tide for meth.
So that's a job.
BTW Doc Mike,
reading is for nerds.
Alphas just F.
Maybe I was lying when I called you a human being. Or at least wrong. It's possible you might be a Meadehouse character. You are reminiscent of Titus in that way. You contaminate Everything You Touch. (I don't know why Android capitalizes some words.)
You should try faking it the other way. Defend freedom, justice, and the American way. You'll make people hate those things too.
I wonder what makes people like you tick. Best way to find out would be to strap you to an operating table and go from there.
Pushing grandma out of the way of a speeding bus is the same, exactly, as pushing her to steal her purse.
Pushing grandma to steal her purse is the same, exactly, as pushing grandpa to steal his wallet. To hell with both criminals.
BTW Bad L,
Nobody cares about replacing 95% of this/that/another of a particular industry w/ automation instead of folks. Not to mention foreign workers taking jobs in the states or abroad.
Obviously, if humans can do something cheaper in exchange for enough cake to keep them superterrainian, so be it. To help them compete, we should eliminate usury prohibitions, and it'd be wise to bring back debtor's prisons, and minimum wages and safety regs and child labor regs gots ta go, and environmental regs are out, etc. Then the American humans will have a better chance at competing w/ machines and foreigners.
If the American humans were on this sorta level playing field they could maintain well above 5% of the work, re the stuff done by foreigners and machines.
Do you just put a children's dictionary in a blender set to frappe and pour out the results when you post? Believe me, you have vitiated all presumption that your blathering is worth the effort to decipher. At least Guildofcannonballs means well.
Someone getting killed after a riot isn't things going "extremely well."
It turns out that its quite hard to continue designing and developing if you arent actually making.
People can dream, even some innovative dreams; but, ultimately, necessity is the mother of invention.
“You can’t stop some crazy guy who came here from Ohio and used his car as a weapon. He is a terrorist.”
... Actually, you can. We have an entire thing called law enforcement designed to stop that. If the police had broken the fighting up earlier, that guy may not have had the opportunity to do what he did. If the governor had properly secured the area, there may not have been a giant, glaring security hole to drive through.
Our governor sucks.
"Are they so afraid of being accused of doing something wrong that they protect themselves by doing nothing?"
-- Our Governor is a bit of an asshole and probably saw nothing wrong with a few Nazis getting punched.
“It’s easy to criticize, but I can tell you this, 80 percent of the people here had semiautomatic weapons. You saw the militia walking down the street, you would have thought they were an army,” he added.
-- I'm calling bullshit on stilts. I saw the pictures; very, very few people had guns. Even if 80% of them did, that's even MORE of a reason to break up the protest BEFORE people start shooting instead of waiting for someone to get killed.
On the other hand, if 80% of the people there had automatic weapons, and not a single shot was fired, despite there being open brawling in the streets...
Really makes you wonder about the need for stricter gun laws, eh?
"They were ordered to be. I already posted a link to the ACLU confirming they were tld to stand down."
-- If true, and not saying it isn't, I just woke up in the middle of the night so not bothering to Google too much in this thread, as an adoptive Virginian,*someone needs to lose their job because someone died.*
In fact, three people died. What was the point of sending up a police helicopter if you were holding the police in reserve until a suitably dramatic event happened so you could bring the hammer down?
"Is it true that Antifa did not have the proper permit(s)?"
-- This is common to violent, left-wing protests, as well as non-violent ones, like the Occupy movement.
The rules don't apply to people willing to break your city and cost you votes.
"The fascists who invaded Charlottesville, against the will of the people of Charlottesville, carry the responsibility here. They were not wanted."
-- That's bullshit. You can't violently attack people in your city because they're not wanted. If you recall, Althouse has been told she's not wanted in her hometown. Do you think that the police should stand aside while she's attacked because, hey, the city doesn't want her?
This is the most authoritarian, fascist thing said in this thread thus far.
CNN is just one source.
"A Ku Klux Klan rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, drew about 50 Klan members and supporters Saturday -- and several hundred counterprotesters, authorities said."
It has been reported this way in multiple places. Antifa grouped up in a mob and attacked a group they outnumbered more than 10 to 1.Mon July 10, 2017
The CNN link you posted at 12:34 is about an earlier KKK rally. The date on it is Mon July 10, 2017.
For information on the Unite the Right rally wikipedia has a collection of information from various sources.
"Because nothing says "civil society" like doing a Nazi Torchlight March Recreation! Wave your Swastica!"
-- No one is defending Nazis. A guy named Voltaire -- you may know him -- allegedly said that he didn't defend what you said, but your right to say it. A civil society actually IS one in which someone everyone hates, saying something everyone disagrees with, is allowed to say what they want without being attacked.
I'm not a Nazi; I don't like Nazis. But if our society can decide, with threats and applications of violence, what unpopular opinions can and can't be said -- we're not a free society.
"The fascists came heavily armed. The police knew that if it became necessary for them to shoot someone, the likely result would be a firefight, with dozens or hundreds of weapons on the other side, and a bloodbath, with heavy casualties among:"
-- This is a wild fantasy as the Nazis WERE attacked, often with things like bottles of urine and improvised flamethrowers, and didn't shoot anyone.
The evidence thus far points to a young guy in unfamiliar territory herded by the Antifa mob into a "kill zone."
Meanwhile...
‘France gets the oil & Italy gets the boats!’ Italian MPs FURIOUS at EU double standards
Obama's "trail of tears" is a progressive condition. And, it seems, another "oil for food", or, rather, votes and welfare profits program.
I feel bad that I'm going to probably have to repeat this a billion times: I do not like Nazis. They are not good people.
But, even bad people have civil rights. If you think being sufficiently immoral means that they're denied rights, then when are you going to start stripping rights from gang members? From prisoners? From the Kardashians?
What, exactly, is the line where you decide, "This person is so irredeemable that they are exiled from our culture to the point of being stripped of their humanity."
"The evidence thus far points to a young guy in unfamiliar territory herded by the Antifa mob into a "kill zone.""
-- I haven't watched every video yet, and not sure I ever will. But, the one video I did see, he is clearly going straight towards the protest and has a good 5-10 seconds of build up time, and you can see that no one hits his car until he reaches the protesters. There may be other videos, which will complicate things further, but:
A) I'm not sure the antifa people are that coordinated.
B) We've got plenty of time to figure it out, so I'm fine holding my fire one way or the other. Slow and steady is perfectly fine. It isn't like he's going anywhere.
Matthew Sablan:
No rush. It's not a pronouncement. There is genuine cause to investigate the multiple ways this event and tragedy progressed.
he is clearly going straight towards the protest and has a good 5-10 seconds of build up time
A clear approach, yes. But, was the motive assault or travel?
If a "white Hispanic" got his day in court, then so too should a color supremacist and a [class] diversitist, both national and Democratic socialists.
That said, No Labels. Mostly because the "No Labels" crowd uses them as lies of omission, commission, and projection.
It's interesting with the amount of firepower present, there wasn't a progression to a larger abortion field. This is actually in favor of the color supremacists, national socialists if it's meaningful, that they exercised civil rights rather than deny them. I suppose intimidation could have been a consideration, a color pride parade of sorts.
Cops afraid of guns. That's what "diversity hire" policies get you.
Did the driver work for Uber? If he did, we can call this workplace violence and get back to our lives.
"Cops afraid of guns. That's what "diversity hire" policies get you."
-- That's just what the governor is saying. I'd like to hear from the actual officers about this.
Perhaps the police were just observing the first rule of Fight Club.
All the various apologists for the fascists here should remember that without the fascists a young woman would not be dead. The consequences of people's actions and beliefs are the best indicator of their intentions.
@ARM, the deceased was part of a mob applying the tactics pioneered by Hitler's Brown Shirts in the 1930s; hence she was a fascist herself.
Bullshit. A sad, pathetic and delusional rationalization for the actions of murderers.
"the suspicion that the goal of these things, from the local government's POV, [has] often been to create a situation in which further protests MAY be banned on the grounds of public safety."
MaxedOut – I hope you don't mind my slight paraphrase of your comment, but that is the heart of my concern, as well. "We can't let those people assemble, because look at the mayhem!" where those people starts as laughable/repellent people on the fringes of society. But then over time the line between those people and people the government just doesn't like becomes harder and harder to discern.
Brian Moran, Virginia’s secretary of "public safety"— “From our plan, to ensure the safety of our citizens and property, it went extremely well.’’
Governor McAuliffe— “...And yet not a shot was fired, zero property damage.”
What a couple of morons. Tell it to the poor dead woman and the dozens in the hospital, geniuses.
Raincheck said...
Tell it to the poor dead woman
Killed by fascist agitators imported from out of town.
I don't get this "how can you defend Nazis?" nonsense. One can defend Free Speech even if they dislike the speech. Popular speech or speech the government supports doesn't need any protections. The unpopular stuff does.
Progs once pretended to believe in that concept also.
AReasonableMan said...
All the various apologists for the fascists here
Always amusing when allies of fascists whine about other allies of fascists.
All because Hillary Clinton lost the election
Wait until 2020. You'll see them really unhinged then. Especially after they don't win back the House or Senate in 2018.
@FryingPanHead: I would hold that thought and not get cocky. Voter fraud, especially in Blue States, is still unchecked.
AReasonableMan said...All the various apologists for the fascists here should remember that without the fascists a young woman would not be dead. The consequences of people's actions and beliefs are the best indicator of their intentions.
If by "fascists" you're referring to the gathering and not the individual, then the same logic applies to the helicopter pilots. Without the gathering of the fascists, the copter pilots would have never crashed. Just taking your logic ad absurdum.
Matthew Sablan said...That's just what the governor is saying. I'd like to hear from the actual officers about this.
I agree. Terry McAuffle is deathly afraid of guns himself, wants to confiscate them from others, and was probably projecting there with an eye towards his 2020 vision of himself.
Remember that video/photos of the cornered woman getting pelted by eggs at a Trump rally in San Jose? link. The local cops watched and laughed from inside the glass. They too were told to stand down. Coming to a city near you next.
I could only find a few pictures of Charlottesville protesters with any kind of firearms. There seemed to have been several that were armed.
Where is this 80% number coming from, and where are the pictures to prove it?
Raincheck (7:26am):
When the governor (my governor, I'm ashamed to say) says "...And yet not a shot was fired, zero property damage", he seems to forget that two cars and an SUV (only one of them owned by a Nazi) were almost certainly totaled, and that thousands of dollars of other property (e.g. the injured pedestrians' clothes, shoes, backpacks, masks, baseball bats - sorry, got a little carried away there) was also damaged beyond repair. Ignoring all the actual property damage just because no businesses were torched or looted or had their windows smashed (not even the restaurants that refused to serve Nazis, by the way) makes the governor sound like a caricature of a heartless big-business asshole Republican, when he's just an actual plain or garden-variety leftie asshole.
"I was just talking to the State Police upstairs; they had better equipment than our State Police had"
Also not true, and now completely walked back.
I went by 4th ST and Water at 6:10 AM Saturday. The street and all those leading to the park, had police cars closing off the side streets. How in the world the police let in cars after they had those streets closed from 5 PM Friday with hundreds of people on the streets is beyond me.
"That makes it sound as though those people with guns were quite restrained, and yet they terrified the police."
Actually, the only person they terrified was Governor McAuliffe. In the first place, lots of modern handguns and rifles are "semi-automatic". If a handgun isn't a revolver, it's probably semi-auto. Lots of hunting rifles are still bolt action, but loads of sport rifles are semi-auto. The "semi-" means, one trigger pull, one bullet. Full auto is where you hold the trigger down and spray, and there aren't many of those in private hands.
What the idiot governor is talking about is the militia which came from Pennsylvania to "protect the First Amendment". They were armed with semi-auto rifles, they wore camo, and they harmed no one. I doubt they scared the cops much, either. But the police ordered them to leave, and they did so. Shortly thereafter, the Antifa and BLM fascists rioted, while the police watched. Because the mayor told them to. During the BLM/Antifa riot, a man was assaulted in his car and drove into a group of pedestrians. I will not be at all surprised if it turns out that the people he drove into were rioters.
"From our plan ... it went extremely well."
I'll bet it did.
I saw a march in Chicago where police were worried about a riot, right on Michigan Ave by the nice hotels (heh). There was a wall of blue on both sides of the street so the marchers could not leave the street. An overwhelming show of force can prevent violence and maintain order. The "stand down" crap has got to stop.
@ Achilles - be thankful that WA hasn't legislated that dairy farmers and ranchers saddle their cattle with tanks and stick hoses up the cows butt to capture methane.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the Sacramento pinheads met the ranching/dairy association committee to explain the apparatus.
Alhouse said "I've seen how the police have managed crowds here in Madison, Wisconsin — huge rallies with opposing sides.
I'm afraid that things have changed for the worse since the Madison protests and as I recall the good people of Madison did not hit political opponents with baseball bats and/or bike locks, spray mace/pepper in their face, toss Molotov cocktails into police lines, burn cars or trash downtown Madison.
How would the Madison PD handlethese thugs?
Shocking imagery, isn't it? Once the mob is loosed it cannot be restrained, as Robespierre discovered, so may the left.
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