August 20, 2017

NYT headline offers Trump a measure of praise.

"Protesters Flood Streets, and Trump Offers a Measure of Praise."

Here's the part of the article about Trump:
President Trump, who has faced unyielding — and bipartisan — criticism after saying that there was “blame on both sides” in Charlottesville, tweeted Saturday that he wanted “to applaud the many protestors in Boston who are speaking out against bigotry and hate. Our country will soon come together as one!”

He also wrote: “Our great country has been divided for decades. Sometimes you need protest in order to heal, & we will heal, & be stronger than ever before!”

It was an abrupt shift in tone. The president posted earlier Saturday that it appeared there were “many anti-police agitators in Boston.”
Nothing in the Times about Trump's need to delete and retweet after misspelling "heal" as "heel," a topic of mirth in the lesser New York paper, The Daily News, where the headline is "Trump roasted over pair of tweets saying country must ‘heel.'"

That's not just a nonsense misspelling like covfefe. "Heel" has meaning, as a tweeter named @dexter_doggie barked: “Donald Trump intends to bring you to heel."

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Bay Area Guy said...

It would be better for the NYT to do actual reporting rather than simply reading President Trump tweets and pushing a Leftwing narrative.

Just sayin'

Humperdink said...

Apparently MoDo didn't get (or read) the memo. Her column the next day: "Trump buoyed the Ku Klux Klan and the neo-Nazis ..... Donald Trump has shown a fatal inability to listen to his better angels and stay on the side of the angels. Or, as my (Dowd's) father would say, he’s a weasel."

rhhardin said...

Scott Adams proposes a cabinet position of tears, for the wanted emotional response to this or that leftist crying point.

I don't like bashing the KKK or nazis rather than this or that that they say. It's uninsightful and will produce what it claims to hate. So Trump shouldn't do it either.

Hagar said...

Charlottesville was a two day event for the "hate groups" and the first day and evening went off without any trouble as evidenced by the videos of the Tiki-torch parade. The violence did not start until the second day when the "antifas" arrived in force.
So, no, the blame was not equal between the contending factions.

The MSM does not seem to understand that by publishing the videos they undercut their own story.

I have not seen so much about Boston, but my understanding is that the "hategroups" again was totally overwhelmed by the numbers of "anti-protest" protestors. It seems to me that again there are more reasons for worrying about the intentions of the "good" protestors than the "bad" ones. There seems to be more of them and better armed.

rhhardin said...

You'd think Boston would have a run for hate.

rhhardin said...

You could have hate group sponsorships for each mile a runner goes.

Join forces. Run for cancer and hate. They've got the infrastructure already.

Laslo Spatula said...

I'll say this for the protesters in Boston: at least no one brought a pressure cooker.

I am Laslo.

rhhardin said...

Actions speak louder than words but make no sense, usually.

rhhardin said...

The trouble is the actions have no subjunctive mood and practically no tenses.

Freder Frederson said...

There seems to be more of them and better armed.

Better armed?! Are you serious. No one was armed in Boston. And Charlottesville? The Nazis were armed with shields, riot gear, sticks and semi-automatic weapons. The most extreme of the counter protestors had makeshift weapons and there were no firearms visible among the counter-protestors

rhhardin said...

Feces hurling would make a lot more sense in the subjunctive.

rhhardin said...

We need a protest againist racist spiritual journeys.

Inga said...

Schizophrenic tweeting, as usual. Article 25 him.

Kate said...

Merriam-Webster had a snark tweet defining the words "heal" and "heel". They used the noun version of heel, though. Extra snark, I guess. The verb is much more interesting as a Freudian slip.

Freder Frederson said...

Charlottesville was a two day event for the "hate groups" and the first day and evening went off without any trouble as evidenced by the videos of the Tiki-torch parade.

No trouble?! They were chanting "Jews will not replace us". When they arrived on campus they surrounded and threatened a group of students who had gathered peacefully around the Thomas Jefferson statue.

The entire goal of the protestors in Charlottesville was to provoke a confrontation. Instead of coordinating with the police they deliberately made an end run around the police so they could directly confront the counter protestors. To pretend they weren't looking for a fight is just ridiculous.

rhhardin said...

Heal and heel is a homo thing.

Inga said...


"No trouble?! They were chanting "Jews will not replace us".

Don't forget the Nazi buzz words that were being chanted in Charlottesville, "Blood and soil!". But don't forget, there were "very good people" among them.

Ralph L said...

You'd think Boston would have a run for hate.

I'm told they call it "rush hour."

rhhardin said...

They were chanting "Jews will not replace us". When they arrived on campus they surrounded and threatened a group of students who had gathered peacefully around the Thomas Jefferson statue.

It seems unlikely but you never know with actions. You can't diagram them.

Rephrasing them later is often called for.

Move the subjects around, but the verbs in better places.

Unknown said...

From the New Yorker:

Trump Says Sun Equally to Blame for Blocking Moon

Attacking the media for its “very unfair” coverage of Monday’s solar eclipse, Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that the sun was equally to blame for blocking the moon.

“The fake news is covering the eclipse from the sun’s side instead of the moon’s side, but if you look at it from the moon’s side the sun is blocking the moon’s side,” he said. “There are so many sides you can’t count all the sides.”

Additionally, Trump tore into the sun itself, calling it a “showboat” for its role in the solar eclipse. “The sun thinks the world revolves around it,” Trump said. “Sad.”

Trump said the sun was a “big problem” that his predecessor, Barack Obama, did nothing to solve, but that that situation was about to change.

“It will be handled — we handle everything,” Trump said, adding that a pre-ëmptive military strike on the sun was “very much on the table.”

David Begley said...

Let it be noted here that my prediction of serious violence was wrong. The Boston police did its job. The Charlottesville police didn't. NYT to investigate. Soon.

rhhardin said...

Jews will not replace us is not a good chant.

The reason is that jews are paid more and you go for the cheapest labor.

Robots will not replace us is even stupider.

Notice how that dispenses with the KKK without hating the KKK. That's speech for you.

Actions have to hate.

Ralph L said...

Don't we always get Trump unleashed?

Michael K said...

Field Marshall Freder is in rare form this morning.

The Nazis were armed with shields, riot gear, sticks and semi-automatic weapons. The most extreme of the counter protestors had makeshift weapons and there were no firearms visible among the counter-protestors

Are you this ignorant or are lies the default for your comments ?

The "semi-automatic weapons+ were brought by militias which did not participate in the riot.

The ANTIFA rioters came with their usual paraphernalia of bats, concrete filled coke cans, pepper spray and goggles to prevent the police pepper spray from stopping them.

Why don't you look at a video, fool ?

The white kids who were drawn into that mess by agent provocateur (and Obama supporter) Kessler, were chanting 'You will not replace us" probably reacting to Stanford's new class on "abolishing whiteness."

rhhardin said...

Blood and soil is out of a detergent commercial.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

The country won't come to heel, it may just bite the one on the other end of the leash.

rhhardin said...

Blood and soil would not go well with a pussy hat.

rhhardin said...

Heel is the easiest thing to teach. I've done it in 10 seconds with a stranger's leash-pulling dog.

wendybar said...

Michael K said...
Field Marshall Freder is in rare form this morning.

The Nazis were armed with shields, riot gear, sticks and semi-automatic weapons. The most extreme of the counter protestors had makeshift weapons and there were no firearms visible among the counter-protestors

Are you this ignorant or are lies the default for your comments ?

Thank You for the truth...."Field Marshall Freder" is wrong as usual, but what do you expect from somebody who gets his news from CNN??

Ralph L said...
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Unknown said...

@Michael K says Why don't you look at a video, fool?

Sure did see many videos of the Charlottesville troubles including the 25min Vice documentary. Unless my aging ears are playing up there were a lot of Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists shouting in an organized fashion "The Jews will not replace us". But, I guess one man's hearing is another man's bigotry.

Laslo Spatula said...

When the antifa uses the same tactics as the Nazis the Nazis don't seem so bad.

Not sure that is what they intended.

I am Laslo.

Hagar said...

and I might add, since when did shields become offensive weapons?
The knuckleheads just made themselves look stupid carrying what I suppose is meant to look like Viking shields. I think there is some association with Nazi mythology in some way, but then again maybe it was ancient Sparta. Anyway, they are heavy and awkward and not of much use as weapons.

rhhardin said...

Aging ears might be something to check, because jews will not replace us doesn't make any sense. You will not replace us would make more sense.

What do the jews have to do with anything in the minds of the chanters.

Ralph L said...

"You will not replace us" is a pretty dumb chant, too. What does it really mean?
Two hundred people--looks like they could have come up with something better.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"The white kids who were drawn into that mess by agent provocateur (and Obama supporter) Kessler, were chanting 'You will not replace us" probably reacting to Stanford's new class on "abolishing whiteness."

The "white kids"? Some of those kids were in their 50's. Also they certainly were saying "Jews will not replace us" interspersed with " You will not replace us". It's on film. The Vice documentary was linked to here last week. You really do live in your own reality, don't you?

"Jews will not replace us!"

Hagar said...

Back when, the Nazis and the Bolsheviks competed for the same people among the rabble. Things have not changed much.

rhhardin said...

Annoying to me, because I can't get any traction with it, is that white supremacist is too broad a group to say anything about let alone hate or disavow. That's shameful for not only the left but also the right intimidated into disavowing them.

Derbyshire see item 05, an expansion on something McWhorter wrote.

Kevin said...

One million people showed up for the Patriots' last Super Bowl Parade. There were fewer cops and no one felt they needed to cover their faces to participate.

clint said...

Feeder Frederson@8/20/17, 8:39 AM said...

"The entire goal of the protestors in Charlottesville was to provoke a confrontation. Instead of coordinating with the police they deliberately made an end run around the police so they could directly confront the counter protestors. To pretend they weren't looking for a fight is just ridiculous."

The head of the Virginia ACLU, who was actually there and involved, disagrees with you: "I was there and brought concerns directly to the secretary of public safety and the head of the Virginia State Police about the way that the barricades in the park limiting access by the arriving demonstrators and the lack of any physical separation of the protesters and counter-protesters on the street were contributing to the potential of violence. They did not respond. In fact, law enforcement was standing passively by, seeming to be waiting for violence to take place, so that they would have grounds to declare an emergency, declare an ‘unlawful assembly’ and clear the area."

But perhaps she's just a Nazi too?

rhhardin said...

Hey Hey Ho Ho Western Civ has got to go.

Both sides could use it.

Michael K said...

Inga hears what Inga wants to hear,

Achilles said...

It is fun to watch Inga and Freder condone violence.

But they always do. Democrats are calling for assasination. Throwing urine at police. Burning stuff. Peaceful!

They can't even condemn shooting police officers. BLM is a mainstream part of the democrat party.

I also like how thousands of democrats showed up to protest free speech. Violently.

You are enemies of freedom.

Bob Boyd said...

"You will not replace us" is a pretty dumb chant, too. What does it really mean?"

Maybe they were chanting to Antifa. They were worried Antifa was trying to become America's most loathsome fringe group.

Kevin said...

It's on film.

Words on film? Terrible. Left-wing violence on film? Doesn't rate a mention.

As long as you keep insisting words are violence but violence is speech, you're going to be ridiculed and ignored here.

Achilles said...

The people chanting "Jews will not replace us" were organized by Jason Kessler by the way. A Clinton staffer and occupy protester.

The democrats chanting "Jews will not replace us" could join up with the other democrats who want to push Israel into the sea.

tcrosse said...

Trump has been criticized for not providing Moral Leadership. One trembles to think of the Moral Leadership Mrs. Clinton would have provided had she been President.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Unless my aging ears are playing up there were a lot of Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists shouting in an organized fashion "The Jews will not replace us". But, I guess one man's hearing is another man's bigotry.

Unknown seems to be suffering from the Mondegreen syndrome. You hear what you WANT to hear based on your own bigotry or bias.

'scuse me while I kiss this guy

Sometimes it is funny. I your case it is not.

Kevin said...

If a white person says the word "Jews" in the forest, and no one is around to hear, is that still grounds for Trump's impeachment?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Watch the Vice documentary, but take your fingers out of your ears and uncover your eyes first, little monkeys.

mockturtle said...

Bay Area Guy suggests: It would be better for the NYT to do actual reporting rather than simply reading President Trump tweets and pushing a Leftwing narrative.

But that might involve actually leaving their offices.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Now now Unknown.

Don't be getting on your high horse about the solar eclipse. We can't forget that these types of events have been going on for all of history. Don't forget about all the lunar eclipses over the years.

Achilles said...

The democrats just showed up to violently protest free speech.

The 2018 elections are going to be a wipe out and the democrats will not even be able to filibuster.

The media has ended it's ability to influence people as well.

tcrosse said...

Jews will not replace us ? Sounds like a bunch of Palestinians.

mockturtle said...

Trump's praising of the protesters should stop them in their tracks.

Achilles said...

Blogger Unknown said...
"Watch the Vice documentary, but take your fingers out of your ears and uncover your eyes first, little monkeys."

I have watched dozens of videos. Almost all of them show people in black masks hitting stuff/people with bats and throwing things.

Kevin said...

I know it's a radical thought to many, but the President's job is not to decide which groups of Americans it's morally acceptable to hate.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"We talked to a half dozen senior administration officials, who range from dismayed but certain to stay, to disgusted and likely soon to leave. They all work closely with Trump and his senior team so, of course, wouldn't talk on the record. Instead, they agreed to let us distill their thinking/rationale:

"You have no idea how much crazy stuff we kill": The most common response centers on the urgent importance of having smart, sane people around Trump to fight his worst impulses. If they weren't there, they say, we would have a trade war with China, massive deportations, and a government shutdown to force construction of a Southern wall.

https://www.axios.com/why-top-white-house-officials-wont-quit-trump-2475045237.html

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"Trump's praising of the protesters should stop them in their tracks"

Why would anyone believe him?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You sure can't seem to get enough of Trump now, can you? So in this one you've decided to become his praise monitor? Wow, that's pretty subservient.

For which other inadequate presidents would you have decided to become the official praise collector? Andrew Johnson?

Don't ever stop trying to make sure that this unaccomplished blowhard gets all the praise he desperately feels he's due.

Patrick said...

Free speech took a back seat to public safety at Saturday’s demonstrations
https://dankennedy.net/2017/08/20/free-speech-took-a-back-seat-to-public-safety-at-saturdays-demonstrations/

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The democrats just showed up to violently protest free speech.

The 2018 elections are going to be a wipe out and the democrats will not even be able to filibuster.

The media has ended it's ability to influence people as well.


Pay no attention to the man behind that curtai - er, computer screen!

Hagar said...

I only heard one clip with the chant on it, but "Jews will not replace us" is what I heard. A pretty dumb thing to shout in a Southern small town. Does Charlottesville even have a synagogue?

However, goose and gander. If you will "defend to the death" the LGBT and whatever's right to organize public marches with offensive chants and obscene gestures and costumes, you must do the same for the various groups of "skinheads" seeking attention.

And no, there is no equivalence between that and physical violence against persons and/or destruction of their property.

Kevin said...

If they weren't there, they say, we would have a trade war with China, massive deportations, and a government shutdown to force construction of a Southern wall.

Which one was the bad idea?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You are enemies of freedom.

So says the guy who believes he's here to usher in the era of the one-party state.

Inga...Allie Oop said...
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Michael K said...

A warning that the left will ignore.

Each time Nancy Pelosi says that every Trump voter is a racist — by which she intends to drive a wedge between the president and his supporters, especially younger and urban supporters — she achieves the opposite of her goal.

Interesting POV. She was doing a radio show and comments on callers.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You are enemies of freedom.

Or as your Muslim fellow-thinkers would say, "enemies of god!"

Geez, how does someone come back from/defend against THAT! Enemies of freedom, enemies of god... you know, just pick a big enough concept against which to deem people you don't like as "enemies." Very well articulated and not demagogic in the slightest!

At least Hitler would build a good case for his sweeping rhetorical denunciations. You're like all climax, no foreplay. All fire and brimstone and violent confrontation and no "let's build a careful case of resentment and contempt for most of humanity" first.

Inga...Allie Oop said...


"Pay no attention to the man behind that curtai - er, computer screen."

His comments often sound like the rantings of an man who has been wounded and has to make sure he gets his message out with his last dying breath.

traditionalguy said...

Beautiful wrestler's move to pin the Media from the other side. DJT grabbed the agreement that all unite to hate Nazis and KKK.

He always condemned them too. The Media lied about that being his letting us down. Trump leads in that as do his friends at the protest asked for him to lead them.(See, Adams, Scott on this being the great unity moment seized by leader)

Dust Bunny Queen said...


"You have no idea how much crazy stuff we kill": The most common response centers on the urgent importance of having smart, sane people around Trump to fight his worst impulses. If they weren't there, they say, we would have a trade war with China, massive deportations, and a government shutdown to force construction of a Southern wall.


Amazingly enough all the stuff that the voters who elected Trump wanted to have done! All stymied by the entrenched swamp dwellers.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"(See, Adams, Scott on this being the great unity moment seized by leader)"

Sounds like Scott Adams is leading you by the nose.

mockturtle said...

Amazingly enough all the stuff that the voters who elected Trump wanted to have done! All stymied by the entrenched swamp dwellers.

Bingo!

Hagar said...

"Jews will not replace us" is a quite odd chant in Charlottesville. Intended for national TV rather than local effect?
It definitely looks like the "hategroups" were taken in by a Democrat agent provocateur.
The question is if it was just his idea.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"Amazingly enough all the stuff that the voters who elected Trump wanted to have done! All stymied by the entrenched swamp dwellers."

Yes! And most of them aren't going anywhere soon. Look who is gone instead, Steve Bannon.

Achilles said...

Blogger The Toothless Revolutionary said...
You are enemies of freedom.

"So says the guy who believes he's here to usher in the era of the one-party state."

Actually if you were at all honest I am trying to get democrats to be rational so there is a legitimate option to republicans. I have said repeatedly we will all suffer if they are the only option.

But you are not honest.

Nazis were into two kinds of purity: racial and ideological. Everyone is condemning the racist fascists. The democrats are supporting the ideological fascists. The violent ideological fascists.

The difference between us is I condemn all of the fascists and you are a piece of shit.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

His comments often sound like the rantings of an man who has been wounded and has to make sure he gets his message out with his last dying breath.

He claims, as an Oregonian, to have "elected" Trump. The self-appointed elector who doesn't understand the Electoral College. Must get frustrating thinking that Eastern Oregon leads the progressive Northwestern area of the state and has made it its hand servant.

He should move east across the border to become and Idahoan. At least there would be enough white supremacists there to reconstitute and reinvigorate the Trump movement. His movement precedes his backbiting, recriminating, unhinged, accomplishment-bereft administration.

It's all about the movement with these people. All feeling no dealing. And treacherous as HELL! Firing Bannon? Geez, what's next? This administration has all the loyalty and internal support of the reichskanzler.

And it will keep on this course until the only one left for Drumpf to fire is himself.

Earnest Prole said...

I resent how Trump and the media have conspired to make us care about utterly meaningless local protests and counterprotests. With the right agitation is is indeed possible to gather hundreds of unstable, dopey people and set them against each other, but the sound and fury signifies nothing.

Achilles said...

Unknown said...

"Pay no attention to the man behind that curtai - er, computer screen."

His comments often sound like the rantings of an man who has been wounded and has to make sure he gets his message out with his last dying breath.

Both of these comments are really just stupid.

The difference is ritmo is capable of making intelligent posts every now and then and Inga is just really really stupid.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Actually if you were at all honest I am trying to get democrats to be rational so there is a legitimate option to republicans. I have said repeatedly we will all suffer if they are the only option.

WTF. You think you're doing the democrats work, here? You think your job is to purge all politics of the irrational?

Good freaking luck with that.

But you are not honest.

An easy accusation for someone with only half the necessary information at his disposal to make.

Inga...Allie Oop said...
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Michael K said...

Just try to remember that Nazis did not bring you Hitler. Weimar brought you Hitler.

traditionalguy said...

@unknown...would it surprise you if I was leading Scott Adams by the nose? His way of seeing things did not start with Adams. He just Spokane it better than else.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"With the right agitation is is indeed possible to gather hundreds of unstable, dopey people and set them against each other, but the sound and fury signifies nothing."

Like right here!

Achilles said...

I love how ritmo and Inga are just talking to themselves. In a corner. Replying to each other.

While they contemplate total and complete political obscurity.

Good little brown shirts.

But this time you Nazis are going to lose.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"Actually if you were at all honest I am trying to get democrats to be rational so there is a legitimate option to republicans. I have said repeatedly we will all suffer if they are the only option."

Really really stupid, or deranged thinking, most likely.

Achilles said...

"An easy accusation for someone with only half the necessary information at his disposal to make"

You called me a nazi sympathizer.

You are with the democrat scum who are trying to force ideological purity. A fascist.

It is an easy accusation to make because you are not honest. Mostly with yourself.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Nazis were into two kinds of purity: racial and ideological. Everyone is condemning the racist fascists. The democrats are supporting the ideological fascists. The violent ideological fascists.

What fucking nonsense. Racism/racial purity/supremacy WAS and for these mouth breathers REMAINS an ideology. And a one that has ALWAYS been more dangerous to American stability and security. ALWAYS. The Confederates got half a million Americans killed trying to shred the constitutional alliance and expand a slaveholding empire through the South and then into South America. FACT. The Nazis - well, I'd assume you knew what they did as the enemies of America in the world's biggest conflict to date. But who knows. I can never be sure of what you've actually studied up on and what you just get carried away in the moment with.

No group on the left has EVER posed that much direct and immediate and accounted for damage to America. As much as you hate commies, they never did that much ACTUAL damage to us as those other, right-wing movements. You were prepared, and you hated them, and you anticipated all that you imagined they WOULD do to us - right up until the end, in 1989, when they didn't.

The difference between us is I condemn all of the fascists and you are a piece of shit.

Trump is the biggest fascist of them all. And thanks for piling on yet another gratuitous vulgarity designed simply to insult and provide nothing actually helpful to the situation. You were starting to let me down.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

You called me a nazi sympathizer.

You're not a sympathizer for them. But you are being an apologist for their chaos, their history, relative damage (compared to left-wing extremists) and how much they're fucking up anything the country - let alone Trump the perfect president - could hope to accomplish.

You are with the democrat scum who are trying to force ideological purity.

Where?

A fascist.

Another gratuitous insult to back up what you just said. Again, where? And how so, given the fascism of Trump's billionaire crony-capitalist cabinet of polluters and old economy retrogrades?

It is an easy accusation to make because you are not honest. Mostly with yourself.

Feel free to explain this one.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

You know what else is really really stupid Achilles? The notion that Trump, an Oligarch will save us from the Oligarchs as you've repeated ad nauseum. What does Trump's cabinet consist of? The Oligarchs are in power in the White House, especially now that Bannon is gone.

traditionalguy said...

FTR the Nazis were a satanic cult that used
Propaganda to capture a Nation. Murder was their only method, and they did it with gusto until the end

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

The notion that Trump, an Oligarch will save us from the Oligarchs as you've repeated ad nauseum.

He's gotten the VISA exemptions for HIS OWN foreign workers that he said we need to prevent EVERY OTHER COMPANY AND INDUSTRY from having.

He is the biggest fucking charlatan phony in politics - much moreso even than Bill Clinton. His biographer is pretty convinced that he's getting closer and closer to resigning with each disastrous week. The only thing he ever does is for himself, in all his 71 years - and he will also resign as soon as he realizes how much closer he'll come to bringing his own self down amidst everyone else around him that's burning down.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"His biographer is pretty convinced that he's getting closer and closer to resigning with each disastrous week."

Well, that would spare the nation the trauma of an Impeachment, or an Amendment 25 move.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"His biographer is pretty convinced that he's getting closer and closer to resigning with each disastrous week."

Well, that would spare the nation the trauma of an Impeachment, or an Amendment 25 move.


And ironically enough, I bet you $50 that will be the first and only time that our lovely host Ann will finally be at a loss for finding something to praise about him.

mockturtle said...

It's not worth trying to read comments here since Unknown & Ritmo have taken over. I guess that's their intent.

Bay Area Guy said...

Ritmo states broadly:

"No group on the left has EVER posed that much direct and immediate and accounted for damage to America. As much as you hate commies, they never did that much ACTUAL damage to us as those other, right-wing movements."

1. In WW2, the US understood that Nazi scientists were working to develop a nuclear weapon.

2. In WW2, the US spent millions on the Manhattan Project to develop a nuclear weapon, before the Nazis could. Thankfully, we succeeded.

3. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and their Soviet-backed spy ring stole secrets from the Manahattan Project, and gave them to Josef Stalin.

4. Stalin's soviet scientists developed a nuclear weapon from those secrets many years earlier than they would have.

5. Armed with a nuclear weapon, Stalin did not think the US would help SouthKorea, if North Korea invaded them.

6. In 1950, with Stalin's blessing, North Korea invaded South Korea to communize the country.

7. In response, President Harry Truman (Democrat) sent hundreds of thousands of young American boys to fight to save South Korea.

8. 30,000+ Young American boys died fighting to save South Korea.

Any response?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

It's not worth trying to read comments here since Unknown & Ritmo have taken over. I guess that's their intent.

Oh boo hoo. Fact and reason win out over obfuscation and trivial distraction yet again. Cry me a motha fucken river.

I'm sure there will be some blurry event into which you can spin your distraction-spreading viewpoint once again, someday soon. No need to lose hope. The pithy obscurity of conservative "vision" will return. Now go start planning your festival to welcome its arrival!

clint said...

Hagar@8/20/17, 9:34 AM said...
"I only heard one clip with the chant on it, but "Jews will not replace us" is what I heard. A pretty dumb thing to shout in a Southern small town. Does Charlottesville even have a synagogue?"

Yep. There's a good account of the day from the president of Congregation Beth Israel in Charlottesville.

The two bits that jumps out at me: "... the police department refused to provide us with an officer during morning services. (Even the police department’s limited promise of an observer near our building was not kept..." and the bit about the three militia guys who stood watch across the street.

mockturtle said...

Ritmo, you wouldn't know 'fact and reason' if they crawled up your nostrils and took root in your brain.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

30,000+ Young American boys died fighting to save South Korea.

Any response?


U.S. Civil War deaths: 620,000 (to save America from the unconstitutional right-wing/racial slaveholding empire)

U.S. WWII deaths: 418,000 (to save America from a right-wing racist imperial alliance to take-over the world).

Sum total of Communist bombs exploded against America: 0.

I fully accept that objective math is no match for your politicized emotions.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Ritmo, you wouldn't know 'fact and reason' if they crawled up your nostrils and took root in your brain.

Which must be why, instead of actually deploying them, you dispense with this rhetorical puff pastry above.

Address the substance or leave the thread. You don't stop being a loser just by insulting others and claiming an empty victory.

Trump's already been trying that for seven months.

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bagoh20 said...

Funny how Bannon was the problem until he was gone. Now his leaving is the problem. Trump could tweet support for chocolate, and the next day chocolate would be a horrible racist life destroying NAZI food.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Not very charitable, but, somehow. threir misery makes me smile :-)

Reinforcing the observation that the right-wing works on emotions alone: vengeance, perception of misery, sadism, etc.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"It's not worth trying to read comments here since Unknown & Ritmo have taken over. I guess that's their intent."

No I don't think that is the intent. Why ever would you feel you can't comment just because a few anti Trumpists are here? Feel free to sing his praises and add your insights. I welcome them.

hombre said...

Yes. The Boston "countermarch" of thousands was eminently praiseworthy. It shut down a "free speech rally" consisting of, what, 16 people and posing a grave threat to the LeftRepublik. And that's what it's all about, isn't it.

President Donald has discovered the John McCain key to the NYT. Way to go Big Guy. You're sure to carry Boston with the NYT endorsement next time. Right?

Bay Area Guy said...

You do know that WWII was initiated by the Hitler-Stalin pact in 1939, right?
The non-aggression treaty, right? Where they both invaded Poland, Germany from the West, Soviets from the East?

Did that fact escape you?

Those 418K deaths you cite are partly attributed to the Commies that you tolerate way too easily.

Achilles said...

Blogger The Toothless Revolutionary said...
"30,000+ Young American boys died fighting to save South Korea.

Any response?"

"U.S. Civil War deaths: 620,000 (to save America from the unconstitutional right-wing/racial slaveholding empire)"

The confederates were progressive democrats.

"U.S. WWII deaths: 418,000 (to save America from a right-wing racist imperial alliance to take-over the world). "

The Nazis were socialists. National socialists.

"Sum total of Communist bombs exploded against America: 0."

Sum total of people killed by leftist communists/socialists: North of 100 million.

"I fully accept that objective math is no match for your politicized emotions."

Socialists also like to revise history. You are a true enemy of freedom.

Murph said...

Not that my opinion is of any importance to anyone here (I'm a lurker not a participant), but it's become apparent that a form of Gresham's Law is & has been for some time at work in the comment section of Althouse, and has made it a waste of time to visit. There used to be reasonably serious discussion among generally respectful commenters, including some friendly joshing and pushback, but the overall general content was usually informative and useful, and the tone respectful.

Now, from top to bottom, it's become not much more than "verbal" (typed?) mud wrestling, from which no one emerges unsmeared. Commenters who have contributed substantive & intelligent content in the past, are now seldom seen here. I suspect they've been driven away from the conversation by the antagonistic & insulting drivel that now passes for discussion: ergo, my reference to Gresham's Law.

That's a shame.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

No I don't think that is the intent. Why ever would you feel you can't comment just because a few anti Trumpists are here?

Because what they seek and feel entitled to is thread domination, not discourse. And they cry whenever they lose it.

A normal person realizes that some days you win some, some days you lose some.

In contrast, our conservative friends feel entitled to winning. It's entitlement, it's privilege, it's their entire approach to politics, society and life.

Freder Frederson said...

Just try to remember that Nazis did not bring you Hitler. Weimar brought you Hitler.

What a ridiculous assertion. You may as well say that Versailles brought us Hitler (which would be closer to the truth). So he was the fault of the vengeful French and British (Wilson wanted a much less harsh peace)

But that would be stupid too.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

"Not very charitable, but, somehow. threir [sic] misery makes me smile"

Who is miserable? Trump is going down and that makes millions upon millions of people very happy.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Those 418K deaths you cite are partly attributed to the Commies that you tolerate way too easily.

They're WWII deaths. Which communists killed Americans in WWII?

You seem to imply that the pact with Stalin worsened the war or its impact. I'd find your thesis on that interesting, and I'm completely sure that it's as speculative and fanciful as explaining how the fluttering Amazon butterfly's wings causes hurricanes. You could just as easily say that the pact, which lasted like 2 seconds, diverted Hitler to mobilizing instead of the continued build-up of his war machine.

If you could, kindly give me an idea beforehand of how many straws you intend to grasp at in this equivocation you want to make between Nazism/Confederacy apologia and Communism's impact on America. okthanksbye

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Sum total of Communist bombs exploded against America: 0."

Sum total of people killed by leftist communists/socialists: North of 100 million."

Biggest mass murderers in history:

1. Mao
2. Stalin
3. Hitler

Ritmo only condemns the third guy. He thinks people who admire Robert E. Lee are far worse than people who admire Mao and Stalin and openly hope that their system is implemented here.

That's because Ritmo is a totalitarian shit himself.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"Weimar brought you Hitler."

What a ridiculous assertion. You may as well say that Versailles brought us Hitler (which would be closer to the truth).


Hey, wait a minute! But the nursemaid-suckled elitist Michael K. keeps telling everyone here how much smarter he is than everyone! What happened?

Birkel said...

So Vice hired Elspeth Reeve? The same Elspeth "Elle" Reeve who gave us the Scott Beauchamp fabulist lies out of Iraq?

Well I'm not here to shoot the messenger. But when the messenger is a known liar - who lies for political reasons - in her "professional" work I'm definitely going to take anything she writes with an enormous block of salt.

Why do Leftists who lie in service to the Leftist cause always fail up? It's hard to fail up for most of us.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Sum total of people killed by leftist communists/socialists: North of 100 million."

Biggest mass murderers in history:

1. Mao
2. Stalin
3. Hitler


I was addressing American casualties (because unlike you and Trump, my concern is American interests). But I can understand if you're more concerned with the well-being of Putin's Russia and the People's Republic of China instead. It's not like your Republicans (let alone their white supremacist mini-me's) have any American domestic successes to boast about.

Achilles said...

Socialists brought us Hitler.

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Unknown said...

Who is miserable? Trump is going down and that makes millions upon millions of people very happy."

Ah, yes, you've been repeating this incessantly since November. Because you are a totalitarian buffoon.

In the meantime, the unemployment rate is lower than it has been in 16 years, useless regulations are being scrapped and the stock market is doing very well.

Trump's not going anywhere.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Uh, Ritmo, the Confederates killed were also Americans. That is why we call it a Civil War.

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Orwellian-speaker Achilles above places predictable emphasis on party labels in order to deny that Nazis and Confederates were actually right-wing white supremacists who didn't redistribute jack shit and never took on wealthy elite domination of their politics.

Just like the billionaires filling his hero's Trump's cabinet today.

Remember, Achilles. Slavery is freedom. Ignorance is strength.

You are becoming a good little orders-follower.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Why do Leftists who lie in service to the Leftist cause always fail up? It's hard to fail up for most of us.

8/20/17, 10:46 AM

Because Leftists love lies.

hombre said...

@Unknown re your 8:45 post: From The Atlantic: "Racist eclipse to bypass Black people."

You and Fredor had best organize a protest before it's too late. Portland would be a good place to recruit. They have masks and 2x4s.

You and your consorts must stop this grave threat to the LeftRepublik and the peace of mind of African-Americans.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Uh, Ritmo, the Confederates killed were also Americans. That is why we call it a Civil War.

Let me know when you have a point to make, Stonewall Jackass.

MartyH said...

"Sum total of Communist bombs exploded against America: 0."

What a ludicrous argument-or ignorant, take your pick.

The Nazis never bombed America, either. Nor did the Japanese-Hawaii and Alaska were not yet states.

It was Communist munitions, though, that killed about 90,000 Americans in Korea and Vietnam. Just like it was Nazi munitions killing Americans in Europe and Japanese munitions in the Pacific. Communists have lots of Americans.



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Freder Frederson said...

It is fun to watch Inga and Freder condone violence

I defy you to find any post from me where I condoned or defended violence. You are full of shit.

For the record, and to counter the lies you and Michael K (there are others, but you two are the worst offenders now that we no longer have the pleasure of Simon's and Cedarford's company) tell about me, bookmark this you two assholes:

As a Christian, I am morally and ethically opposed to violence in any form. I will not go as far to say that violence is never justified, but I don't think we have reached that point in this country. In addition to my moral objections, I believe the Antifa's tactics are counterproductive. If for no other reason than it allows liars like you two (and many others on this site and elsewhere) to pretend that the left in this country is just as violent and anti social as the right. That might have been true for a period in the late sixties and seventies but it is absolute bullshit now. Most political violence in this country comes from the right, even if you can somehow ridiculously claim that radical Islamic terrorism is a leftist movement. Where are the Sikh temple murders, Dylan Roof, assassinations of abortion providers, bombing of Mosques and abortion clinics on the left? And have you forgotten about Timothy McVeigh?

God, you are assholes.

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MartyH said...

Communists have killed lost of Americans.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

In the meantime, the unemployment rate is lower than it has been in 16 years, useless regulations are being scrapped and the stock market is doing very well.

Similar to the rosy expectations W. provided early on in his disaster of an administration. Jerry-rig the bubble economy! Infinite pollution will give us infinite growth! More profits and wealth will make wages increase! Country over planet! Manual labor will save us from outsourcing our technology companies!

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Here is a notorious right wing white supremacist celebrating the Confederacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnS9M03F-fA

Michael K said...

Poor Field Marshall Freder.

Feeling butt hurt ?

Where are the Sikh temple murders, Dylan Roof, assassinations of abortion providers, bombing of Mosques and abortion clinics on the left?

"Pigs in a blanket. Fry them like..."

How many cop murders, Mr Christian ?

Achilles said...


Blogger Murph said...
"Not that my opinion is of any importance to anyone here (I'm a lurker not a participant), but it's become apparent that a form of Gresham's Law is & has been for some time at work in the comment section of Althouse, and has made it a waste of time to visit. There used to be reasonably serious discussion among generally respectful commenters, including some friendly joshing and pushback, but the overall general content was usually informative and useful, and the tone respectful.

Now, from top to bottom, it's become not much more than "verbal" (typed?) mud wrestling, from which no one emerges unsmeared. Commenters who have contributed substantive & intelligent content in the past, are now seldom seen here. I suspect they've been driven away from the conversation by the antagonistic & insulting drivel that now passes for discussion: ergo, my reference to Gresham's Law.

That's a shame."

The leftists need to read this post.

It describes exactly why you are losing.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Communists have killed lost of Americans.

Are you among those "lost," Marty?

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MartyH said...

When you are picking on typos, you've lots the battle...

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Freder Frederson said...

Prove that the left is not violent. You are lying to yourself.

What is it with you people's reading comprehension? How the hell did Michael K make it through med school.

Where did I say there was no violence on the left?

chickelit said...

Ritmo and Inga are just doing their old "call and response" routine. Reminds me of field hollers. One is yoked to the other.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Hahaha! GLOBAL WARMING !!!

Oh, that's genius. Go to NASA and the DOD and go explain to them your thesis on how man cannot impact the environment, the regulation of weather patterns on the moon, asteroids and other heavenly bodies without an atmosphere, or why coal byproduct runoff in our streams is just the healthy answer to a dead industry that has less jobs than JC Penny, let alone the entire solar industry.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

What is it with you people's reading comprehension? How the hell did Michael K make it through med school.

With refrigerated bottles of pre-pumped breast milk that his nursemaid sent to him in nice little care packages.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

And chickenshit belittled is yoked to his nursery school.

hombre said...

Unknown said...
'"It's not worth trying to read comments here since Unknown & Ritmo have taken over. I guess that's their intent."

No I don't think that is the intent. Why ever would you feel you can't comment just because a few anti Trumpists are here? Feel free to sing his praises and add your insights. I welcome them.'

She didn't say anything about not commenting. Her reference was to reading your drivel. But then what interest would you have in what she actually said?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Looks like Full Moon just lost it. Or whatever he ever had of it.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

As Mark Steyn noted if Chelsea Clinton is so upset about the KKK, why did her father eulogize a KKK bigwig and Democrat icon Robert Byrd at Byrd's funeral? Why was he not denounced and kicked out of the party?

As recently as 2014, Tom Petty was singing "I Was Born a Rebel," which, according to Ritmo, is akin to singing the Horst Wessel song. Clearly everyone in that audience in San Diego is a bunch of white supremacist trash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od7Mw9WZlxI

All of this sudden indignation about the Confederacy is phony bullshit.

Freder Frederson said...

OZONE!!!

You do know that the ozone hole was a real thing and that through the Montreal Protocol, the world, led by the U.S., Canada and Europe, got together and solved the problem?

But I guess you like getting skin cancer and cataracts.

Birkel said...

Freder Frederson:
As a good Christian who thinks there is no excuse for violence, please explain Jesus' turning over tables and throwing money changers out of the synagogue. Just kidding. You know damned well there are perfectly good reasons for violence.

Proportional violence in self defense is always justified.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

OZONE!!!

You do know that...


He knows nothing. He's America's own little Colonel Klink.

hombre said...

Toothless said: "Trump is the biggest fascist of them all."

Get a grip! You can be contentious without being stupid.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

chickelit said...
Ritmo and Inga are just doing their old "call and response" routine. Reminds me of field hollers. One is yoked to the other."

Reminds me of a baboon mating ritual.

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Michael K said...

Commenters who have contributed substantive & intelligent content in the past, are now seldom seen here. I suspect they've been driven away from the conversation by the antagonistic & insulting drivel that now passes for discussion:

I agree. Now, back to my book.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I never heard that Tom Petty song and have no idea who or what "Horst Wessel" is. But if you can count on anything in life, it's the number of weird, obscure lies that disemboweled on mainstreet will imagine.

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I;m in San Francisco bay area, been expecting the big eartquake to take me out to sea since i was a little kid.

Behold the science knowledge of a typical right-winger, who believes that if it doesn't have Bible Code accuracy/predictive claims then it's obviously wrong.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Reminds me of a baboon mating ritual.

How many offspring resulted from your last one? I didn't know that baboons mated on mainstreet.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Again, leftists, I am waiting for you to denounce Joan Baez for singing a Nazi symp ballad. Since Confederates = Nazis, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" is akin to the Horst Wessel song. And why is Tom Petty, who has the usual rock star political leanings, proud of being a Rebel? That's akin to singing "I was born a Nazi" isn't it Ritmo?

Why weren't you complaining about such vile sentiments back in the day?

Could it be that you're amoral hypocrites?

Yep. Looks like it.

pacwest said...

"It's not worth trying to read comments here since Unknown & Ritmo have taken over. I guess that's their intent."

In TTR's case his openly stated intent is to "disrupt this blog by any means necessary. I am not here to have a rational discussion."

Like you mockturtle, I am finding myself wondering why Althouse encourages him. I find myself less interested in coming here after many years as a regular reader, so in that regard he is achieving his objective by proving once again that any fool can burn down a barn.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Oh, I see. Joan Baez and Tom Petty. The biggest threats to America in 2017. Obviously.

It's not like anyone ever accused you political Mr. Magoos of having an effective sense of perspective.

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"In TTR's case his openly stated intent..."

Find that quote, PAC. My openly stated intent is to destroy the lies you and your ilk tell.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
I never heard that Tom Petty song and have no idea who or what "Horst Wessel" is."

You're pretty ignorant.

I take it you have never actually read a history of the Third Reich then. Or of the Confederacy. Reading does seem to be hard for you.



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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Was that when we were gonna freeze to death...

As long as you lack the imagination to come up with a new joke, maybe you can explain your conservative obsession with this one. Are you saying that enough particulate matter to cloud out the sunlight reaching earth would have been a good thing? Something we should have continued doing? Something that would have had no impact on weather?

Explain the ignorance behind your gripe.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Reading does seem to be hard for you.

I can read reasoned conclusions and have little use for pretending I should do all the research all over again in hopes of revising history, like you myth-makers do.

Birkel said...

I'm not the only one who remembers the Scott Beauchamp lies told by Elspeth "Elle" Reeve, am I?

She works for VICE now and she's a proven liar. She lied for political reasons. She lied as part of her day job. She's a dishonest fake news purveyor.

We shouldn't lose track of how dishonest Elspeth "Elle" Reeve is just because she uses a slightly different name.

Of course she might be less dishonest these days. But why would anybody give her the benefit of the reportorial doubt?

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"Reading does seem to be hard for you."

I can read reasoned conclusions and have little use for pretending I should do all the research all over again in hopes of revising history, like you myth-makers do.


Which is, incidentally, the modus operandi of the holocaust deniers. I notice that, also.

The holocaust deniers and AGW deniers seem to have this obsession with thinking they found or did not find something in the original data that undercuts the entire conclusion!

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chickelit said...

Pacwest notes: "Like you mockturtle, I am finding myself wondering why Althouse encourages him."

Because Althouse loves countermajoritarians* Because at times she is one herself and believes that TTR adds a needed balance to an otherwise unbalanced comment section. Yes, she wants to control the narrative whether you realize it or not.
____________________
* Such a dreadful word. Is there a better one besides "asshole"?

Freder Frederson said...

duponts patent on r12 freon expired on the cusp of the ozone/freon conecction

Why don't you do a little research before you type lies? R12 was invented in 1935, you moron. Which means the patent expired in the early '50s.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The Toothless Revolutionary said...
Oh, I see. Joan Baez and Tom Petty. The biggest threats to America in 2017. Obviously."

Once again, the point sails 3 miles over your head.

Both singers are leftists, and sang songs sympathetic to or celebrating the Confederacy and both songs were hits. Not one leftist complained about it at the time.

If Joan Baez and Petty had sang songs commemorating the Nazis, I'm positive they would have been roundly condemned by everyone and their careers would have ended.

That's why your ludicrous claim that the Confederacy was as bad as Nazism and worse than Communism shows you're not a serious or honest person.

You don't give one shit about black people. You wish only to hurt people who don't vote the way you want them to.

Birkel said...

Nobody here should be surprised how diligently the Leftist Collectivists will ignore unpleasant facts. Their entire ideological world is built about Collectivist lies. If even a single one of the things they know to be true is proven beyond any doubt they MUST - of necessity - pretend they never believed the thing in the first place or deny the revealed truth. It's imperative when an entire worldview is balanced on so many false premises.

How many people dunked themselves in water for fear that Halley's Comet was a sign of the end times? How many of those people admitted how silly they had been after the fact?

Why have the temperatures of Mars and Venus gone up and down in direct relation to the temperatures of Earth, when measured by satellites? What can explain that phenomenon, which is known and not in dispute by anybody. Give it a crack, Leftists.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

FullMoonshine has regressed into disbelieving the likelihood of a major west coast quake, all in the service of his hatred of the fact that atmosphere regulates climate and that industry changes the atmosphere.

Oh, and he talked about hating Jews for inquiring into his confusion of the supposed literalism and inerrancy of biblical mythology with scientific likelihoods.

That's really where he's at, intellectually. And where he prefers to take the thread.

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Freder Frederson said...

He knows nothing. He's America's own little Colonel Klink.

Actually, since I am pointing out factual errors today. It was Sergeant Schulz who "know[s] nothing", not Colonel Klink (although Colonel Klink was incredibly dumb, he didn't deliberately ignore Hogan's shenanigans).

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Both singers are leftists, and sang songs sympathetic to or celebrating the Confederacy and both songs were hits. Not one leftist complained about it at the time.

If Joan Baez and Petty had sang songs commemorating the Nazis, I'm positive they would have been roundly condemned by everyone and their careers would have ended.

That's why your ludicrous claim that the Confederacy was as bad as Nazism and worse than Communism shows you're not a serious or honest person.


I think this is called "Reasoning by the 6-degrees of Kevin Bacon Analogy Model."

You don't give one shit about black people. You wish only to hurt people who don't vote the way you want them to.

Stop doing things intended to keep them from voting, you happy gerrymanderer.

wholelottasplainin said...

Blogger Freder Frederson said...

OZONE!!!

You do know that the ozone hole was a real thing and that through the Montreal Protocol, the world, led by the U.S., Canada and Europe, got together and solved the problem?

************************

Odd that you would think the "ozone hole" was a man-made phenomenon , or that it has disappeared:

Here's a dose of reality:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/29/ozone-hole-worse-than-in-recent-years-due-to-colder-than-normal-stratosphere-in-antarctica/

"The 2015 Antarctic ozone hole area was larger and formed later than in recent years, said scientists from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

On Oct. 2, 2015, the ozone hole expanded to its peak of 28.2 million square kilometers (10.9 million square miles), an area larger than the continent of North America. Throughout October, the hole remained large and set many area daily records. Unusually cold temperature and weak dynamics in the Antarctic stratosphere this year resulted in this larger ozone hole. In comparison, last year the ozone hole peaked at 24.1 million square kilometers (9.3 million square miles) on Sept. 11, 2014. Compared to the 1991-2014 period, the 2015 ozone hole average area was the fourth largest."


And this:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/arctic%E2%80%99s-first-ozone-hole

"So why is it that this past spring, scientists observed the largest, most severe ozone destruction ever witnessed in the Arctic since records began in 1978? In part, it’s because CFCs stick around in the atmosphere for a very long time. But the maps below reveal the main reason this winter’s Arctic ozone loss was so much worse than it normally is: unusually persistent cold temperatures."

The answer in both cases was "unusually COLD weather". If humans had created and solved the "problem" by ending CFC use, why are those holes still forming???

Could it be that they are a natural phenomena?

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Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Now that DuPont fixed the ozone hole, you latch onto global warming.

DuPont fixed it? So complying with the Montreal Protocol was voluntary, then?

Also, you never explained why you thought that increasing particulate matter would have been a good thing or why your conflation of two different environmental problems makes science less important than your politics for addressing those impacts.

Quit lying and explain your positions, not your emotions or politics. We can already see through those.

Birkel said...

We'll let the resident science experts on the Left tackle my query:

Why have the temperatures of Mars and Venus gone up and down in direct relation to the temperatures of Earth, when measured by satellites? What can explain that phenomenon, which is known and not in dispute by anybody.

Give it a crack, Leftists.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Anybody who is at all knowledgeable about the Nazi era knows what the Horst Wessel song is.

You've admitted you're never even read a history about it.

That's what I call ignorant.

Perhaps you should spend less time spewing shit here and more time reading books. Might I recommend Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" I believe Althouse read it a few years back. Also some good Civil War histories: Bruce Catton's books and Shelby Foote's Civil War trilogy, which gives a Southern perspective. Eugene Genovese's studies of slavery and the antebellum South are also excellent, particularly "Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World the Slaves Made."

More reading and less frothing at the mouth over things you know very little about would make you a more thoughtful and interesting commenter.

chickelit said...

Althouse wants her comment section to be as bipartisan as a courtroom. There should be two sides to every dispute and each should equally argued and heard. This model has two obvious problems:

1) arguments here are often made by non professionals arguing in good faith. They often wind up with hurt feelings.

2) Althouse is a poor courtroom "judge" and doesn't have the tools to maintain "order in the court."

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pacwest said...

"Find that quote, PAC. My openly stated intent is to destroy the lies you and your ilk tell."

It's been awhile ago and you're not worth the effort. Nor am I going to find the one where you called me a a rational conservative who you would fight for and defend to the death on this blog. That one was after the work I put in to find a point we could agree on. Fools and barns.

rhhardin said...

AGW deniers seem to have this obsession with thinking they found or did not find something in the original data that undercuts the entire conclusion!

At last something I know something about! Climate science intersects my checkered career in two places. In both places climate science is wrong. What's proved is that climate science no adult peer review. They don't know what they claim to know.

The points are:

1. You can't solve the Navier Stokes equations, which govern the atmosphere. (In three dimensions, flows cascade to smaller and smaller scale flows, so no grid resolution is adequate. But you need small scale flows because they act as a sort of ersatz viscosity back on large scale flows.) Climate science solves them nevertheless by substituting and "effectuive viscosity" for what they can't compute. This isn't physics. It would not pass a serious peer review. You haven't modeled the atmosphere as you claim.

2. Trend vs cycle. You can't distinguish a trend from a long cycle with data short compared to the long cycle. (The eigenvalues of the distinguishing matrix explode, making the data useless for the purpose. This can be easily verified by any engineering graduate student. In fact he will discover it in the process of coding up a test. Hey wait a minute, these are all essentially linearly dependent to the accuracy of the machine.) So natural cycles and trends can't be distinguished.

This was back in the early 2000s and it hasn't changed. They don't know what they claim to know, is the result. That's what climate denial is.

The sociology of science accounts for it all. Look at motivations.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

...when measured by satellites...

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exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Stop doing things intended to keep them from voting, you happy gerrymanderer."

I know you think blacks are too stupid to provide ID at the polls, Ritmo. I have more confidence in their intelligence.

I also like how you pretend the Dems didn't go along with gerrymandering. That's why we have cabbage heads like Maxine Waters (who called Ben Carson "a white supremacist") and Hank ("Guam is tipping over!") Johnson in Congress and they are in no danger of losing their seats.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Anybody who is at all knowledgeable about the Nazi era knows what the Horst Wessel song is.

Oh right. Just like the Holocaust deniers, you demand scholarly knowledge and familiarity with something as trivial as a song to know anything about the Nazis. Oh, let's go ask the Vatican to get all their best on it. It requires a veritable clerisy to have any knowledge of it whatsoever! Where is the data! Oh no!

Just fuck off. You are so useless to anything other than completely warping discussions into things they were never about.

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Unknown said...

Earnest Prole (9:48am) wrote:
"I resent how Trump and the media have conspired to make us care about utterly meaningless local protests and counterprotests. With the right agitation is is indeed possible to gather hundreds of unstable, dopey people and set them against each other, but the sound and fury signifies nothing."

It wasn't Trump, it was the Democratic governor of Virginia and mayor of Charlottesville - and of course the media - EP is half right. Five weeks before last Saturday, the Klan came to Charlottesville to protest in front of a Stonewall Jackson statue at another park in town. The police did their job and kept them separated from the much more numerous counterprotestors. Result: 22 arrests, all (I'm pretty sure) counterprotestors shoving the police or throwing rocks and bottles at them and the Klansmen, 3 hospitalized (2 for heat exhaustion, 1 for excessive drunkenness), no serious injuries. Other result: Very few people heard about that rally, and I only knew about it because I'm 35 miles away.

It looks to me like the governor and mayor wanted a repeat, with violence and national headlines, so they and their friends encouraged a much larger turnout the next time around and they ordered the police not to do what the police should have been doing. It worked, too: one death, lots of critical and serious injuries, and lots of juicy headlines, none of which would have happened if the police had been allowed to do their job. The governor also lied about it afterwards, saying the police were outgunned, and that numerous Nazi weapons caches had been found in the area. The police have publicly stated that they were not outgunned and that no caches were found. Why the governor of Virginia is not currently facing indictment and impeachment for such inflammatory bald-faced lies, I do not know.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I know you think blacks are too stupid to provide ID at the polls, Ritmo.

This is your straw man and racist insult of the day? Lot's of people don't have state ID, lot's of people don't drive, Mike Turzai admitted that the effort is all political, there is no credible data of fraudulent voting in numbers close enough to affect elections, Trump has close associates registered in two states, most fraudulent voting in 2016 were Trump voters trying to prove that they could get away with it.

rhhardin said...

I put it that physicists are united by a common set of equations, and climate scientists are united by a common set of predictions.

A sociology remark.

n.n said...

Color supremacy, and, to a lesser extent, color blocs, polarize populations.

Color diversity, and class (e.g. sex, "=") diversity, generally, denies individual dignity.

Selective-child (i.e. Pro-Choice/abortion) denies wholly innocent human lives deemed unworthy, inconvenient, or profitable (e.g. Planned Parenthood's clinical cannibalism operation).

Progressive liberals engage in both National Socialist practices.

It's ironic that progressive liberals resumed selective-child in abortion chambers under the same legal jurisdiction as National Socialists carried out their brand of social justice (e.g. the "Jews" have too much) under a layer of privacy.

Left vs Left. Hopefully, the Left will lose.

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Achilles said...

Cohen and Bray discuss Antifa.

Bray thinks leftists need to preemptively attack people they disagree with... err neo-Nazis... This is mainstream democrat thought now.


“I think it’s a spectacularly bad idea,” Cohen argued, “to give one group the right to silence another group of people. It’s contrary to our values embodied in the First Amendment.”

Most Americans agree with Cohen. Democrats are going to lose elections badly.

Also don't think the American people haven't noticed that the Russians have disappeared and the Nazis took their place.

These people are traitors and enemies of freedom.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

I put it that physicists are united by a common set of equations...

None of which have convinced them that atmosphere has no impact on climate, but the opposite.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Toothless, not knowing what the Horst Wessel song is like not knowing Ca Ira.

I imagine that you are as ignorant of the French Revolution as you are of the Nazi era.

Which is why I suppose I got no reaction from you when I said you remind me of Marat without any political power. Because Marat was a resentful ball of hate whose biggest gripe was not really about the injustices committed against poor people, but the injustice of people not recognizing what a great genius he was. One reason they did not is because he was a nasty asshole. He murdered thousands once he was in a position to do so.

You probably didn't react because you don't know who Marat was.

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