Via Breitbart, "NPR reportedly refused to air a radio interview with former Breitbart Senior Editor MILO despite verbal and written assurances to the contrary because he 'sounded too reasonable.'"
ADDED: Newsweek examines whether NPR is silencing Milo but doesn't get very far:
Yiannopoulos said he believes McEnroe and WNPR “were expecting a low-rent troll — someone who would assure the broadcaster’s ossified audience that anyone sympathetic to the president must be a redneck or an idiot.”...On whether they are silencing Milo, they are silencing themselves. That gives free rein to all who want to say NPR was flummoxed by the troll who wouldn't troll on cue but spoke rationally about the value of a troll.
[The NPR interviewer Colin] McEnroe did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did a producer who worked on the Yiannopoulos interview and communicated with members of his staff. A representative for NPR, which rented studio space in New York City to WNPR for the interview, noted that it has nothing to do with McEnroe’s show.
“I am waiting to hear back from WNPR when they’re expecting to air this interview,” the press representative said.
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Imagine if you tried to engage.
I wonder if you can.
Certainly cannot. Probably best if you don't waste your cognitive energy on a dunderhead like myself.
"More Millennials (born 1980-1994) identify as conservative than either GenXers or Boomers did at the same age, and fewer are Democrats compared with Boomers."
These are not the kids, for the most part, that we are talking about. These Gamergate/Milo fans are kids born 1996 or later, and those that should be the goal of a political movement are actually kids born well after that.
This is a youth thing, and I mean extreme youth. Tempus fugit.
No, be more precise, J. Farmer, it's what you do. I've never thought you a dunderhead. I think you're a conceited ass hole. Those are different things entirely.
You have the light touch in these comments. Like a ball peen hammer on so many knuckles, you just can't help yourself.
@buwaya:
These Gamergate/Milo fans are kids born 1996 or later, and those that should be the goal of a political movement are actually kids born well after that.
Well, I am not a big fan of anecdotal evidence, but Milo is only two years younger than me, and I have worked professional with adolescents for nearly a decade and a half, and I have not witnessed the apparent sea change you believe occurred around 2014/2015, and I have not seen much evidence to convince me otherwise.
Dear* Chuck,
You always say you want to be right (not Right but right), but you are so, terribly, WRONG! Many McDs serve foods not on the canonical menu. For instance, many McDs in NYC, in urban areas, offer fried chicken. Maine McDs have lobster rolls.
Godammit, what a stupid waste of everybody's time.
Yes, there are regional variations in McDonald's menus. And there are regional tests of new products. They are all carefully planned and approved by McDonald's. Just like international MdConald's restaurants might serve dozens of things not available (and probably not wanted) in the USA. Again, all carefully planned and approved by the franchisor.
So congratulations on this silly distraction that missed my point. The point being that it is all a matter of central control and approval. An NPR spokesperson has already stated that the Colin McEnroe show is not edited or produced by NPR and NPR wasn't involved in this interview production.
Also, none of you shit heads has supplied anything about any NPR employee who was supposed to have been involved in this story.
And to expand, if we need to include the opinions of those born 1980-94 as the cause of Gamergate, then all of this should have occurred long ago. A person born in 1980 is 37 years old today, and would have been a conservative terror on campus back in 2000, if the scamp was going to be that way.
But no, what really has happened is that whole system of institutions have moved left, not right, since 2000.
The wind-up toy called fopdoodle still spins on the counter top long after the children are done spinning it.
Oh fer gods sake. It was produced by a PUBLIC radio station. All the PUBLIC radio stations are loosely referred to by normal humans as "NPR". Who gives a damn exactly which pots of taxpayer dollars they spend. They're the government run, taxpayer supported propaganda network for The Party.
Yes I know they very publicly supplement that tax money with pledges and foundation money, but if PRI/NPR/Big Brother Broadcasting really was as little dependent on government money as their supporters try to claim, said supporters wouldn't scream bloody murder when Republicans try to defund them.
Ficta said...
Oh fer gods sake. It was produced by a PUBLIC radio station. All the PUBLIC radio stations are loosely referred to by normal humans as "NPR". Who gives a damn exactly which pots of taxpayer dollars they spend. They're the government run, taxpayer supported propaganda network for The Party.
Just look at the direction this page was heading, before I got here. Everybody happy to pile on "NPR," and talk about "NPR" defunding.
When you are wrong.
It is like the debates over gun control, when stupid, gun-illiterate lefties don't know the difference between a semi-auto carbine and a machine gun. And they don't know what a magazine is. Or the difference between a Remington 870 and a Remington 1100.
If you want to argue, get it right. Don't be careless and casual and imprecise.
It makes a difference in this case, when you may be accusing "NPR" of wrongdoing in a decision with which NPR had no involvement.
They're the government run, taxpayer supported propaganda network for The Party.
NPR is not run by the government or the "Party".
This is bullshit.
NPR is not run by the government or the "Party".
This is bullshit.
By their fruits shall ye know them
"Don't be careless and casual and imprecise."
When I was young, we engineers learned well the limits of precision. In those days we used slide rules and their log scales. Out of this you got not-quite-precise numbers. As did all our analog instruments.
Digital instruments, it turns out, aren't actually more precise, it just looks that way, all those decimal places are quite often "ghost" values masking imprecision.
The point is, speaking as an engineer working in the field of metrology, precision is necessary only to the degree it actually is necessary, and moreso only to the degree that it is available. This argument over NPR or not is arguing over "ghost" decimal places in an imprecise instrument.
And very silly. NPR is NPR is NPR, more than good enough for political work.
buwaya:
Precision and accuracy. The former can be asserted to the edge of the universe and beyond, while the latter barely reaches to the edge of the solar system.
It's a strange hill to "die" on.
It makes a difference in this case, when you may be accusing "NPR" of wrongdoing in a decision with which NPR had no involvement.
You are splitting hairs. Just because NPR affiliates have discretion over programing decisions doesn't mean that those decisions don't reflect on NPR, or that defunding NPR isn't a reasonable response to a consistent pattern of political bias on the part of its affiliates. To the extent taxpayers support an organization whose affiliates reek of political bias, the only leverage we taxpayers have is to defund that organization. It's not that complicated.
And incidentally, it was indeed the interviewer who said "We're in NPR studios in New York" and "This is NPR" all within the first 30 seconds of the video.
Alternatively, precision has increased tremendously with the introduction of super computers, which has increased the sampling frequency of space over a time period, but accuracy is still limited by order of system characterization and permutations and or combinations thereof.
I have now heard the program host, Colin McEnroe, say "this is NPR."
And here is what I think. I think he was doing what Althouse, and many commenters here all think. He was using "this is NPR" as a substitute for "this is public radio." Which, ironically, Milo seemed to be getting right, even as McEnroe got it wrong!
It was sloppy and imprecise on the part of Colin McEnroe. I hope, and sort of expect, that he will clarify himself.
And still...
Not a single precise factual allegation as to how "NPR" may have spiked this story.
Chuck, don't be thick. NPR didn't air the interview, that is by definition spiking it.
There was, at least, collusion.
Godammit, what a stupid waste of everybody's time.
I know, Chuck, I know just how you feel*. All this sloppy imprecise clack about menus...Sad!
As for NPR, would an enormous bomb visited upon their headquarters in Washington tend to increase or decrease the amount of left-wing agitprop, or what word for it you choose, inflicted upon Americans? Or, since you seem to be so well informed, would the damage be greater at their inevitable New York offices? Asking for a friend.
*and yet you** KEEP POSTING!
**Say hi to Craig, your new best friend. IYKWIM, AITYD.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
There was, at least, collusion.
Nice, Ann. Not quite equal to Sebastian, but worthy.
He was using "this is NPR" as a substitute for "this is public radio."
Incidentally, Chuck, that would be fiendishly sloppy, and probably sanctionable by the station, NPR, or both. Radio professionals aren't expected to make such an egregious error, and that's not the most viable hypothesis. But it's better for you, so cling to it with both tiny hands.
An NPR spokesperson has already stated that the Colin McEnroe show is not edited or produced by NPR and NPR wasn't involved in this interview production.
I do not see a denial here that NPR was involved in the suppression of the piece.
Alex said...
Chuck, don't be thick. NPR didn't air the interview, that is by definition spiking it.
It wasn't NPR's interview to air!
The interview is the property of WNPR-Connecticut. Not NPR. It was for The Colin McEnroe Show, which is not an NPR show. NPR does not produce or edit The Colin McEnroe Show.
This is like saying that Althouse didn't put a story (that she didn't own) on her blog, and so she is to be held responsible for "spiking" it.
NPR does not produce or edit The Colin McEnroe Show.
Apparently they are the landlord. I suppose that's something. If Ann let that lady Nina guest host while she and Meade were traveling, and Nina shit the bed somehow, Ann would be the one apologizing and cleaning up when she got back, you betcha.
Chuck said...
I have now heard the program host, Colin McEnroe, say "this is NPR."
And here is what I think. I think he was doing what Althouse, and many commenters here all think. He was using "this is NPR" as a substitute for "this is public radio." Which, ironically, Milo seemed to be getting right, even as McEnroe got it wrong!
It was sloppy and imprecise on the part of Colin McEnroe. I hope, and sort of expect, that he will clarify himself.
And still...
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Perhaps Mr. Lawyer can explain how and why, if WNPR is NOT affiliated with NPR, the latter allows the former to hold itself out as W...NPR. Or why in Nevada there's a KNPR.
Or why does NPR.org have this: http://www.npr.org/podcasts/381443459/the-colin-mc-enroe-show
Or this:
http://www.flayrah.com/4359/colin-mcenroe-show-hosts-furry-panel-npr
"The NPR-affiliated Colin McEnroe Show has posted a 50-minute segment on furry fandom."
Face it, Chuck: you're a yutz.
You accused me of lying for accurately reporting what McEnroe said. That's really disgusting.
Everyone here has been pushing you ever more slowly into a corner on this, yet you will not yield. Now you're trying to change the subject.
You remind me of I guy I knew who insisted that the Moon has an atmosphere. When reminded that Apollo 11 and onwards found no atmosphere, he replied: "Even cement has a vapor pressure, and so does that moon dust."
Y...U...T...Z.
The moon does have an extremely thin atmosphere.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LADEE/news/lunar-atmosphere.html
But its still a vacuum for all practical purposes.
Which gets at the point re Chuck, for all practical purposes.
Jay Elink
1. I never claimed that WNPR was in no way "affiliated" with NPR. All public radio stations that are NPR member stations are in a way "affiliated" with NPR. Ann Althouse was "affiliated" with the University of Wisconsin. That doesn't mean that she spoke for it, or it for her. Be careful about using weasel words like "affiliated."
2. I did, and do, claim that NPR did not "spike" the story. And nobody -- not Milo, not Breitbart, not Althouse, not WNPR, not Colin McEnroe, and not NPR -- has said anything to prove that NPR "spiked" the Milo interview. No proof. Not even any evidence. And a flat statement from an NPR spokesperson (with more to come, I predict) stated that NPR has nothing to do with the production or editing of the Colin McEnroe program.
3. WNPR is not owned by NPR. It's owned by Connecticut Public Radio. Which owns a number of stations, licenses and call letters. They actually flipped the call letters "WNPR" from one station to another on 2011. You can get a primer simply by checking out the Connecticut Public Radio Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Public_Radio
Now you can go ahead and whine and bitch about times that Colin McEnroe or WNPR may have been referred to as "NPR-affiliated." But the bottom line is that you, and other commenters here, and this blog's hostess, and Breitbart, and Milo have all come up with exactly ZERO FUCKING EVIDENCE THAT NPR HAS, OR EVEN COULD, "SPIKE" THIS INTERVIEW.
Branding is important. My local NPR station calls itself NPR all the time, all day long, and begs for money twice a year, and tells us that NPR gets only about half of its funding from my taxes, so I must give them money.
Why do they brand their station as NPR? Is it a ruse to escape liability?
Wasn't the original air date also the same day Trump's son release emails about the Russia meeting?
How dare a news and current events show cover breaking news!
Milo is deliberately misunderstanding this, likely waited the two weeks so people didn't so obviously see through this.
A little aroused Althouse was duped too.
A little surprised Althouse was duped too.
Aurocorrect got me good. Or was that autoerect?
Chuck is being sophistically pedantic about this because it successfully makes him, not Milo or NPR, the subject of the post for the entire day. When Chuck himself confirmed that the host identified himself and his show as NPR, he simply moved the goalposts and kept on rolling; thus no Chuck-acceptable proof is possible, only interminable pillow-punching, the fool's errand and Chuck's best friend.
Which post will Chuck attempt to make about himself tomorrow? Wagering (only where legal) technically cannot begin until a fresh, new Chuck-ready post is produced.
Bad Lieutenant said...
He was using "this is NPR" as a substitute for "this is public radio."
Incidentally, Chuck, that would be fiendishly sloppy, and probably sanctionable by the station, NPR, or both. Radio professionals aren't expected to make such an egregious error, and that's not the most viable hypothesis. But it's better for you, so cling to it with both tiny hands.
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Chuck:
"And a flat statement from an NPR spokesperson (with more to come, I predict) stated that NPR has nothing to do with the production or editing of the Colin McEnroe program."
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Look at the logo on the mike in front of Milo: NPR. So NPR DID aid the production by renting out its facilities. And note:
Within the first minute, McEnroe says NPR **three** times.
Colin: "This is NPR, NPR has a certain kind of reputation..."
Later, Colin: "I am going to have listeners....."
Yet it was scrubbed. Did WNPR scrub it? If so, why? Or did NPR national scrub it? In either case, WHY?
And another diversion: it's not that NPR produced or edited the Milo/McEnroe program, it's that the latter used its facilities and "held out" that it was NPR's, which they were.
Milo says he has a written agreement. Lets see if he produces it.
No one silenced him as effectively as his puritanical fellow conservatives did. But he's too loyal to their ideological movement to call them out for that.
As for his other nonsense, what weaksauce. The interviewer could have definitely called him out on the grandiosity of Bruno's agreement with Daddy Trump's delusions of being the savior of Western civilization. LOL!
Or of being the answer Europe needs, as opposed to anything America needs - given that our own terrorists are generally home grown or originate in countries not covered by the blatantly political fear-based ban. Call it bigotry, call it xenophobia, all foreign terrorists came from Trump's buddies in Saudi Arabia or in Egypt, not Iran or the others. And certainly not Iraq, where a number of Iraqi nationals gave their lives helping to serve our lost cause of imposing our idea of liberation onto their country for them.
Everything he said was emotional bullshit, except for a few minor, limited points clustered here or there around the margins. There's a reason he gets off on provocation - it helps a flawed point go further.
Poor Chuck, he is so maligned. I have to give him credit, this is the first time I, an 80 year old lady of the real feminine persuasion, has ever been called a fucking asshole. Really Chuck? What would your mama say? Pretty wound up aren't you. It's tough being so wrong.
The last refuge of a scoundrel is name calling.
The non-relationship being tacitly teased is one of the sort existing horizontally, as between WHYY/Terry Gross and WNPR/Colin McEnroe.
But vertically, everything under NPR is NPR, and NPR has no other meaning outside its affiliate shows, individually and collectively.
If Milo is a troll so was the child in "Emperor's new clothes"
Just listened to his interview. Did he make sure to get a copy or did he back-up record himself?
Very prudent strategy.
@BL: "Nice, Ann. Not quite equal to Sebastian, but worthy." Now we're talking :). Especially since I don't think I contributed to this discussion. But ≥ nothing is a high standard, as they say.
Jay, I am trying my est to help you not be so stupid.
Radio stations, television stations all throughout broadcasting do this. They want an interview with a guest, who may be on a book tour or some such thing, and the guest is in New York City, and the host/host studio is in Hartford or New Haven or Greenwich. So the station rents time from a studio in New York City, they connect via a broadcast-quality telephone or digital line.
For the umpteenth time, it was a rented NPR studio where Milo went for his interview. It was never intended as a video interview, so I don't know what any of the studio's appearances had to do with anything.
But here's what's getting me at this late stage, Jay; you seem to say that you don't know why or how this story got spiked. You clearly have no new information on that. You've just got questions. So why presume, in the face of the clear evidence that WNPR is not NPR, is not owned or operated by NPR, that Colin McEnroe is not employed by NPR; that NPR says unequivocally that they have nothing to do with the Colin McEnroe program... why do you leap to the otherwise unsupported, evidence-free assertion that NPR "spiked" this interview?
Clayton Hennesey said...
The non-relationship being tacitly teased is one of the sort existing horizontally, as between WHYY/Terry Gross and WNPR/Colin McEnroe.
Clayton I get the vague impression that you might be an intelligent commenter that I could actually dialogue with.
If you gave me the chance, I'd have tons of criticism of NPR:
1. If NPR is for alternative, unmet broadcst needs, why supply publicly-supported newstalk? The marketplace is loaded with newstalk. Why doesn't public radio do classical music, jazz and the arts, for instance?
2. We have no "fairness doctrine" in broadcasting, but public radio ought to have its own internal fairness doctrine. That would clearly -- if public radio is going to do newstalk -- require public radio to to fair and balanced newstalk. That would require a lot more conservative voices.
3. Public radio is so fasitdious about cultural diversity. Too often, in public radio, that means, white liberals, black liberals, asian liberals, hispanic ilberals, and LGBTQ liberals. And virtually never does it mean "any sort of ideological diversity."
4. Public radio screams that it is not ideological at all. The we shouldn't look for "liberals" or "conservatives" on public radio. Bunk, I say. I can i.d. the liberal program hosts and production easily. And not one conservative.
So there! How's that for a public radio takedown? But that's the smart approach. Not the Milo/Breitbart approach. Where they make elemental mistakes about what is and is not "NPR."
Aaaaaaand...
SNOPES.com SAYS THAT I AM RIGHT!!!
http://www.snopes.com/2017/07/19/milo-yiannopoulos-npr/
I don't want to take too much credit for being right on this one, as usual. This was fall-down easy. The reason I've been getting so angry is not because I took a daring position; it was because I took such an easy position, and such a hard time getting through to the readers.
Althouse said,
My experience with journalists is that they use you to say what they think you'll say and if you don't they don't use it, or they use just the part that sounds like what they wanted. If you went on live, they don't invite you back. I've had situations where I was invited back again and again and then when I didn't give them what they expected, I was, I felt, blacklisted.
Yep; tracks with my experience as well--whether the journalists promised publication or not. (Usually their editors make this call, not the "reporters.")
In the meantime, I am very touched--as I am sure everyone else is--with Comrade LLR's altruistic volunteering to help Jay--and by extension, all of us benighted anti-anti-Trumpits--not be so stupid.
If only there were someone to help him with the same. Sad.
Support the pedo, Prof. Althouse?
And now he's seized upon Snopes as the Bible. My, my.
Fuck you, Marty. I said nothing about "the Bible."
Exactly what part of the Snopes.com story do you think they got wrong?
Chuck: ""And not one word of detailed explanation about the relationship -- or lack thereof -- between "NPR" and "WNPR.""
7/19/17, 12:04 PM
Chuck: "I never claimed that WNPR was in no way "affiliated" with NPR. "
7/19/17, 6:16 PM
On top of that: chuck: "If you want to argue, get it right. Don't be careless and casual and imprecise. 7/19/17, 4:14 PM
So, Chuck is there a "relationship" between NRP and WNPR? If they are "affiliated" then it is a "relationship", right? But how could it be? You claim you never said they were not affiliated, but then you also claimed that NPR and WNPR have no relationship.
Sounds terribly careless, casual and imprecise to me.
The main reason I've stopped commenting is work.
The second reason is the tendency of a few commenters to get into loops of airing their well-established perspectives, baiting others, and then having pile-ons and predictable shitshows.
Rarely have enough time and incentive to help the blog stay on point.
"SNOPES.com SAYS THAT I AM RIGHT!!!"
Be specific. Right in what respect?
God damn you, "Hyphenated American." How slowly do you need me to do this? How small do the words need to be?
NPR is a national network. NPR News produces a few national broadcast news programs, like "All Things Considered," "Morning Edition," and "Weekend Edition Saturday/Sunday."
NPR member stations (independently-operated public radio stations) purchase NPR national programming, which usually fills about 6-8 hours of a broadcast day. The rest of the day is with other syndicated public radio programming (from PRI, APM, PRX, etc.) and also some of their own programming.
I don't much care how you try to define "affiliated." The official designation is "member" stations, I believe, and what it means is that the local stations are editorially responsible for their programs. And NPR is editorially responsible for its national programming.
With WNPR, a station that is operated by Connecticut Public Radio and not by NPR, The Colin McEnroe Show is a WNPR program. It is heard on other stations, syndicated by Connecticut Public Radio. Not by NPR.
NPR doesn't do any production of The Colin McEnroe Show. NPR doesn't schedule the guests. NPR doesn't program the broadcasts. NPR doesn't do the editing. NPR doesn't pay Colin McEnroe, or his producers.
NPR didn't kill the broadcast of the Milo interview. And now, we know that WNPR isn't killing it either. The Milo/Brietbart story was bullshit.
Now is that clear enough for you?
Hyphenated American; you are trolling me at this point, right? I can't believe that anyone could be so obtuse as you.
IIRC, "Hyphenated American" is a Russian who has not gotten over his obsession with making America sufficiently anti-communist, so he harbors a lot of ignorance about what it is and how its institutions function in order to further his objective.
He's also an engineer, which makes him notoriously obtuse when it comes to understanding basic human affairs and institutions.
I find that he's best ignored. He will fight with himself incessantly before realizing that he obtusely persisted in overlooking a basic, simple point in what you told him that would have spared him hours of fallacious straw men arguments.
Perhaps he spent too much time at Chernobyl. You never know with these types.
I think it's an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram that they have in mind since any overlap would indicate commonality. I may be wrong, I'm not a math person.
I wouldn't be surprised if a Soviet had trouble understanding that the relationship between NPR and its member stations is not "top-down" and centralized under an authoritarian control from above.
"I have to give him credit, this is the first time I, an 80 year old lady of the real feminine persuasion, has ever been called a fucking asshole."
Just be glad you're not Greta Van Susteren!
Clayton I get the vague impression that you might be an intelligent commenter that I could actually dialogue with.
Chuck, I understand your fear and why you are trying to buy me off. But I could care less what you think of NPR. What I care about is your sophistry and other intellectual and rhetorical dishonesty with respect to the central issue you raised, WNPR/Colin McEnroe vis-a-vis what constitutes NPR's identity.
Let me give everyone a different example. Had Colin McEnroe, rather than interviewing Milo at all, instead bolted the studio door and screamed "Nigger, nigger, nigger..." into the mike until someone cut him off, it would have been a wholly-owned NPR event no more and no less than WNPR/McEnroe's decision to air or not air - either one - a Milo interview. All three - racial epithet screaming, airing a Milo interview, not airing a Milo interview - are all equally and interchangeably what it means to be NPR.
Everything on any NPR affiliated station is NPR. NPR means nothing other than that.
Chuck, I've got it now: National Public Radio and its AFFILIATES with NPR in their radio call signs have NOTHING to do with National Public radio.
Even though most of the NPR affiliates schedule the same NPR programs nation-wide, and air each others' programs that they feel will have a national audience.
That's just a coincidence. So, it's only a coincidence that NPR NATIONAL funds interviews with people at its NYC headquarters via a CT NPR-affiliated station.
Snork!
You're a dull tool, man, a very dull tool.
Clayton; okay forget it. I didn't want to "buy you off" in any way. I had much higher hopes for you. No more.
How do you propose to argue with the unrebutted position of both WNPR and NPR that NPR has no editorial control of any kind over the Colin McEnroe Show? That NPR didn't hire Colin McEnroe and doesn't pay him, or his producers?
Do you have someone at NPR or WNPR to support the notion that NPR pulled the plug on this interview?
Snopes asked. Did you?
Snopes modus operandi is, as I have often said, a peculiar combination of disingenuousness and autism.
There are some conservative true believers here who are shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya! that NPR might not have the most top-down management style this side of North Korea.
Tells you something about their psychology.
There are different affiliates producing content - most famously, WBUR, WHYY, WAMU and the one of the West coast affiliates that does Marketplace. Those are just a few, along with the many that produce content that doesn't have as wide a national audience. The shows shuffle around all the time per local management decisions, so it doesn't make sense that everything would be top-down.
But what do I know. I only listen to it after all - unlike all these partisan armchair anti-NPR warriors.
Lol, furthermore, NPR has affiliations with PRI (the connies won't know what that is) but it means some international content they might air could come from the BBC, for instance. So of course our illogical Milo Snuffleupagus suck-ups will probably now have to claim that NPR controls the BBC's content. Hilarious. Keep tying yourselves into pretzel knots, you geniuses.
Jay Elink said...
Chuck, I've got it now: National Public Radio and its AFFILIATES with NPR in their radio call signs have NOTHING to do with National Public radio.
I didn't say that NPR "member" stations had "nothing to do with NPR. What I said is that member stations had the full editorial control over their own self-originated programs. The Colin McEnroe Show is such a program.
And they aren't "call signs." They are call letters, and yes, WNPR is independent from NPR. Notwithstanding the commonality of letters. Yes, indeed. I told you that, I gave you the link to the Connecticut Public Radio Wikipedia page and their own home page, and you seem to be too stupid to catch on.
Even though most of the NPR affiliates schedule the same NPR programs nation-wide, and air each others' programs that they feel will have a national audience.
It's true! No matter if it is WDET-Detroit, or WUOM-Ann Arbor, or WHYY-Philadelphia, or WNYC-New York, or WNPR-Connecticut, or WBEZ-Chicago, or WERN-Madison; the programming days look similar. Something like this: 5am-9am "All Things Considered." 9am-10am Local programming. 10am-12noon "On Point with Tom Ashbrook" Noon-3pm Other PRI/APM/PRX programming. 3pm-4pm Fresh Air with Terry Gross. 4pm-6pm "All Things Considered" 6pm-7pm "Marketplace." 7pm-10pm more local programming. 10pm-5pm BBC World Service.
Your local station probably varies a little from that pattern. But only Morning Edition and ATC are NPR programs. On Point is a WBUR program. Nobody pays NPR for those rights. Fresh Air is a WHYY program. Marketplace is a PRI program. The BBC is BBC.
That's just a coincidence. So, it's only a coincidence that NPR NATIONAL funds interviews with people at its NYC headquarters via a CT NPR-affiliated station.
No, NPR didn't "fund" this interveiw. Not in any way, shape or form. They rented a studio for a remote interview.
Snork!
Geshundheit.
You're a dull tool, man, a very dull tool.
And you're an asshole. When you are in a hole, they say, stop digging. You are a hole.
To Chuck:
"And they aren't "call signs." They are call letters"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign
In broadcasting and radio communications, a call sign (also known as a call name or call letters—and historically as a call signal—or abbreviated as a call) is a unique designation for a transmitter station. In North America, they are used for all FCC licensed transmitters.[1]
What a fucking pedant you are.
, and yes, WNPR is independent from NPR. Notwithstanding the commonality of letters. Yes, indeed. I told you that, I gave you the link to the Connecticut Public Radio Wikipedia page and their own home page, and you seem to be too stupid to catch on.
MORON! If you are affiliate, you are not independent!! Just look at their daily program schedule! It's about 80% NPR!!
And what a fucking douchebag to argue, in effect, that Milo thought he was being interviewed on NPR property in NYC!! with the interviewee yammering on about NPR , and Milo himself in front of an NPR logo on the mike...with a LOCAL PUBLIC RADIO STATION.
Oh and btw: here's an annual report for the CT Public Broadcasting Corp., which is where WNPR gets its funding, for FY 2016:
I direct you attention to this Revenue line item:
Corporation for Public Broadcasting 1,863,896 .
That's for the whole state, but: if you wanna argue that WNPR is independent of PBS and NPR, and receives no funding from them you go right ahead!!!
Can you offer, sirrah, a local public radio station that includes the call letters NPR that is NOT an NPR affiliate?
Because you sure as shit can't say that about W N P R.
PRI -
Partido Revolucionario Institucional ?
I wouldnt be too sanguine about such an affiliation.
And, of course, re the above, joke lang pare. Kool ka lang.
To be fair, Chuck only cares about this because of his social conservatism. This is the Obergefell issue, redux.
He wants to attack Milo because Milo is insufficiently pure from Chuck's socially conservative perspective.
*wink, wink*
LOL, everyone is so obsessed with chuck's stupidity that they are ignoring Ritmo's.
See, chuck does serve a useful purpose.
Do you have someone at NPR or WNPR to support the notion that NPR pulled the plug on this interview?
This is the straw man you've been building your sophistry around all day. It's utterly irrelevant.
NPR - as NPR - owns every consequence of whatever Colin McEnroe or any other of its affiliate or hosts does or doesn't do, with Milo, with Winnie the Pooh, with the intern with the big tits, or with anyone else, irrespective of what granularity of control NPR corporate may have as a matter of contract, policy, or unfocused urge.
Whether NPR corporate made the call to spike the Milo interview, or whether McEnroe & Co. as good, obedient NPR-thinkers made the call locally themselves, for the reasons Milo hypothesizes or for any other reason, either one, for any reason, remains equally irrelevant: NPR fully owns the consequences of the decision anyway, without qualification. It's the nature of the bed they've made for themselves.
Clayton, you stupid shit head; NPR didn't make any call about whether to air the interview. By their own unimpeached terms, they didn't have any role in the production or airing of the interview.
And for its part -- because they, and not NPR, decide -- WNPR DID NOT "SPIKE" THE INTERVIEW. The interview has been rescheduled for later, in August.
To rebut that, Milo and Breitbart have... nothing.
That is the real controversy here. Did NPR spike the Milo interview? NPR says they had no role. WNPR says NPR had no role. WNPR says it is their decision on airing the interview, and they are going to. In August.
This is NPR. But not really.
This broadcast is being recorded in an NPR studio, but NPR rents their studios out to anybody and let's anybody who wants to publicize that fact/trade on the NPR name however they want. Lots of non-Leftist approved shows are recorded in NPR studios, honest.
My principle income is from NPR stations who buy my show, so I primarily make content for NPR stations, but don't let that convince you that I have any direct relation to NPR or should in any way be considered part of NPR.
Perfectly clear.
MORON! If you are affiliate, you are not independent!! Just look at their daily program schedule! It's about 80% NPR!!
How do you figure "80% NPR"? They carry two NPR shows; "Morning Edition" in the 5am to 9am slot. And "All Things Considered" in the 4pm to 6:30pm slot. Nothing else is NPR News programming. Explain.
Actually, all that matters is The Colin McEnroe Show. Colin McEnroe is not an NPR employee. He says that NPR does not edit or produce his show. NPR says that they do not edit or produce his show.
Explain who it is at NPR who makes executive decisions about the Colin McEnroe Show, and who it was at NPR who made any decisions about the Milo interview. You seem so certain of the rightness of your position. Explain it.
Did Brietbart overreach in claiming that NPR spiked the interview--giving the impression that one of the executives of NPR corporate made a single decision to disallow the airing of the interview? Probably, yes.
Is it reasonable to conflate a guy creating content FOR NPR with "NPR" itself? Also yes.
Someone has decided not to air the interview yet, apparently. That person or persons are at the very least STRONGLY associated with NPR or a local NPR station. It is not a crazy conflation, man, it just isn't. Think of it as synechdoche IIT helps, I dunno.
Its nuts to pretend this content producer has nothing to do with NPR and vice versa.
Maybe the interviewer is just "a guy from NPR's neighborhood," like Ayers was for Obama. Did you accept that explanation then??
I think Sailer and Derbyshire, Dalrymple and Joe Bob Briggs should start recording their show at NPR studios, seeing as these are available. No doubt such programming would be welcome to a good number of NPR affiliates.
"An NPR station rescheduled the airing of the interview, for much later." They gave that explanation (for why they had not so far aired the interview) after repeated inquiries.
Better??
Is this guy's show only aired on this one station, or is it like other shows, locally produced but nationally aired (by other NPR stations)? If the latter, you know, its not nuts to talk about it as an "NPR show." Like Car Talk. I will put it in quotes just to be clear.
Brietbart has MILO saying NPR MILO said, “It’s perfectly obvious from the constantly shifting deadline from NPR producers and the line of questioning from the host that they were expecting a low-rent troll...."
Newsweak avoids naming NPR by shortening the quote: Yiannopoulos said he believes McEnroe and WNPR “were expecting a low-rent troll...."
Who's being deceptive (or sloppy) here?
I think WNPR hoped or planned to get the interview broadcast on the national network, hence McEnroe saying "NPR". Did they promise MILO that?
What we have here is a collision , Althouse.
There has to be an algorithm for when a thread turns to shit.
maybe (C+R)+usxt= shit.
When is NPR not NPR.
At some point I might have given a damn.
Not any more.
HoodlumDoodlum said...
"An NPR station rescheduled the airing of the interview, for much later." They gave that explanation (for why they had not so far aired the interview) after repeated inquiries.
Better??
Is this guy's show only aired on this one station, or is it like other shows, locally produced but nationally aired (by other NPR stations)? If the latter, you know, its not nuts to talk about it as an "NPR show." Like Car Talk. I will put it in quotes just to be clear.
The simple answer is that it is not syndicated nationally, like Fresh Air, On Point or This American Life. It does air on a very small handful of Connecticut and New England-area stations. There are tons of small college public radio stations (and the several Connecticut public radio stations) packed into CT/Upstate NY/Western Mass.
You can talk about it however you want. But the fact is, claiming that NPR "spiked" this interview was fake news. Fake news in the most current, real sense. A phony story, put out by ideologues with reckless disregard for the story's fundamental untruth.
For all the bitching and moaning against me in this thread, everything I wrote was true. And Milo's story -- that his interview was killed off by NPR because he appeared too reasonable (hahaha!)-- was bullshit of the nastiest kind.
Ralph L said...
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I think WNPR hoped or planned to get the interview broadcast on the national network, hence McEnroe saying "NPR". Did they promise MILO that?
Why would you think that? The Snopes.com link that I posted makes it plain, what really happened.
Obergefell and Milo means LLR Chuck will spend hours arguing on behalf of NPR.
Do the math.
Milo broke Chuck. He broke him.
I listened to the interview. It was really pretty fair and balanced. The interviewer did get Milo to backtrack a little on some of the sillier things he's said, but Milo was also given plenty of time to explain what he believes and why.
I particularly enjoyed the interviewer's obvious befuddlement when Milo said that Milos is just fine with a 'Muslim Ban'. Saying that is so outside the mental range of any NPR ( and yes, this was NPR) host that the interviewer's reaction was stunned silence, rather than any of the many legitimate follow-on questions that were begging to be asked in response.
I must say, I have now gotten a great kick out of the determined ignorance about the differences between "NPR," "WNPR," and "public radio."
Many of you are willfully choosing to cling to falsehoods. I'd never have guessed it, some years ago when the Atlhouse blog attracted thoughtful conservatives who were interested in the Scott Walker revolution in state government. "Trump" has dumbed this blog down, so very badly.
Again, the allegation made by Milo was that NPR spiked his interview. And the fact is, NPR didn't spike his interview. NPR wasn't part of any decision to air the interview, or not. WNPR's staff -- the staff of The Colin McEnroe Show -- owns those decisions. And their decision is apparently that they are going to air the interview in the coming weeks. A relatively routine decision on their part, for their own production reasons.
That these clear facts seem to elude Professor Althouse and so many of her commenters is such a profound and bizarre shame on them.
Obergefell makes Chuck defend NPR, which supports Obergefell, against Milo because Milo is not "the right type" of Republican.
All LLRs must support NPR if NPR goes after the non-country-club conservatives. Because principles and Obergefell. But mostly Obergefell.
Birkel said...
Obergefell makes Chuck defend NPR, which supports Obergefell, against Milo because Milo is not "the right type" of Republican.
All LLRs must support NPR if NPR goes after the non-country-club conservatives. Because principles and Obergefell. But mostly Obergefell.
Obergefell is what millions of Americans, mostly Repulicans but plenty of others, in overwhelming majorities VOTED AGAINST. They were so determined, to not have their will shoved aside by courts, that they in many cases codified marriage law into their state constitutions.
And you have the ignorant fucking nerve to challenge my bona fides as a lifelong Republican?
If you had read further up in this thread, you'd have seen a lengthy comment by me criticizing public radio as insufficiently representative of conservatives. But of course you ignored it.
I just don't want my side to go after NPR with stupid, ignorant, erroneous charges. Not that Milo is really on "my side" of much of anything. If he is, I might reconsider sides.
Obergefell means that a fopdoodle is required to side with NPR, as every LLR knows.
Milo is "the wrong type".
NPR is generally careful and prudent with their reporting.
Something that no one would ever say about Milo. When your last job involved resigning in disgrace, from Breitbart, as a result of statements about homosexual sex with children, it isn't all that hard to choose.
Embrace your true feelings, Chuck. So much was revealed when finally I understood why you are motivated as you are.
Obergefell.
Boo!
Overlooked in all of this is that the best "NPR" interview Milo could get was on a local station that no-one outside of Connecticut has every heard of. And the best trolling he could do was pretend he was being censored by NPR when all that happened was that a prerecorded interview was rescheduled.
He wasn't bumped from All Things Considered, or Weekend Edition, or Morning Edition. He wasn't confronted by Terry Gross on Fresh Air. He didn't interrupt one of Bob Boilen's tiny desk concerts, or play the celebrity guest on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.
This is Fresh Air: Produced by WHYY in Philadelphia and Broadcast Nationally by NPR.
This is the Colin McEnroe Show: Produced by WNPR and broadcast in Connecticut on WNPR.
This is how Fresh Air is presented on WNPR: My goodness. Check out out the logo. There's something about it.
The discussion about whether NPR is a general term for any NPR affiliate is both mistaken (there's a huge difference between local programming and nationally-syndicated shows) and misses the point. The point is that nothing happened and Milo invented a fictional story to cover the fact that nothing happened.
Yiannopoulos said he believes McEnroe and WNPR “were expecting a low-rent troll..."
...and that is exactly what they got.
BTW, I suspect the reason McEnroe says "this is NPR" is because local NPR member stations do have their stories occasionally picked up by NRP. This does not mean that NPR has any editorial control over the local show.
NPR Stations and Public Media
Each Member Station determines its own format and schedule. In creating their broadcast schedule, Member Stations have several options. They may choose to select from NPR programs such as Morning Edition, All Things Considered or Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me!; pick up programs distributed by other public radio producers, stations or networks; and/or create their own local programming. Stations create their schedules based on the interests and needs of their local audience.
Seriously, opponents-of-Chuck, this is common knowledge and parallels a lot of media arrangements.
Milo called out NPR in his press release for no reason other than that it lent his fabrication more importance.
I am learning how social media works.
Now, Milo goes onto his Instagram account, and posts a picture of himself at the WNPR interview. And he tries to ridicule the sober, unqualified statement by NPR that they were not responsible for his interview (on the Colin McEnroe program).
Milo's posting the photo of himself in front of a mic that is badged "NPR" is supposed to be a hilarious argument-ender.
But of course Milo WAS in a New York City NPR-owned studio. One that had been rented, by WNPR-Connecticut, for the remote interview. On a show that NPR did not produce, or edit, or will air. NPR doesn't own the interview at all.
But see how this works. With no real facts to support him, Milo runs his photo as some sort of laughable proof of his side. Without any substantive meaning behind it.
So a bunch of Instagram morons are convinced, when there is no good reason for them to be convinced.
This is the essence, the very definition, of "fake news" in the age of social media.
I have to believe that Althouse will want to do a corrective post on this matter.
Forgot the Milo Instagram link:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuspM9AA5Z/
The dulcet tones of NPR. Heh. Their problem is that Milo sound like he knows sandwich meats, and their listeners would hear that too.
They can't abide that, can they?
How does the interview start?
"Joining us from the NPR studios in New York City ... "
"The downside is... his loud, outrageous persona might drown out the message the administration wants to convey."
More like the downside is his loud, outrageous persona might drown out the loud, outrageous persona the administration wants to convey.
He trolled them by not trolling them. Brilliant!
BDNYC said: "The downside is he publicly defended gay pederasty and his loud, outrageous persona might drown out the message the administration wants to convey."
Amusingly, if Milo became a Trump spokesman, homophobia would become fashionable on the Left. The Left has no principles, just tools to use against the other side.
Bruce Schuck said...
How does the interview start?
"Joining us from the NPR studios in New York City ... "
Because it was a remote interview. A WNPR-Connecticut show, in which their interview guest was in a rented studio in New York City. It was done that way, to accommodate Milo's schedule/travel.
It was a true statement of fact; a standard way to introduce a remote guest. A journalism convention that is observed in that way throughout broadcasting.
It isn't a statement of any sort of ownership of the program; NPR didn't own, produce or edit the interview. The interview was for a Connecticut Public Radio show, not an NPR show.
I can sort of see, why a dumb, disinterested, badly-informed person might be susceptible to Milo's hysterical claim that NPR spiked his interview. But that's about all.
I can sort of see, why a dumb, disinterested, badly-informed person might be susceptible to Milo's hysterical claim that NPR spiked his interview. But that's about all.
One might call them deplorables, if one wasn't a lifelong Republican.
The point is that nothing happened and Milo invented a fictional story to cover the fact that nothing happened.
Kind of like the Democrats and losing the 2016 election...right?
That these clear facts seem to elude Professor Althouse and so many of her commenters is such a profound and bizarre shame on them.
We're clearly not worth you.
Trying to claim this wasn't NPR is like arguing about the meaning of 'is'. That didn't work for Bill either.
@gahrie -- Remember balloon boy? Like that.
@Jim Howard -- The argument about whether or not it was NPR is pertinent in one sense and semantic confusion in another. Setting aside that question, here are some contextual questions to which we have clear answers:
1) Was the interview recorded for a national show or local show? For a local show.
2) Was the interview produced by WNPR or NPR? WNPR.
3) Did the national NPR organization censor the interview? There's no evidence that anyone at the national NPR level knew or cared about the interview.
4) Did WNPR censor the show? Maybe, but the email chain released by WNPR plausibly explains that the delay of the show was due to banal scheduling issues.
5) Did WNPR censor the show because Milo was so reasonable? There's no evidence of this.
6) Given this context, does it matter whether the show was produced by an NPR member station vs. the national NPR organization? Not really. Either way the whole incident is trivial. But the terminology does matter to Milo. For him to get the attention he wants, he very much wants to stage this conflict as Milo vs. Liberal Goliath.
Milo vs The Liberal Nutmeg won't bring the hits.
This horse is well and truly dead.
Let's hit it some more!
I came back, long after the fact, to note that I was right, all along, in this comment-war.
On July 24, WNPR aired an edited version of the interview and linked to an unedited upload of the entire interview at Soundcloud.
NPR never spiked the interview. It was not NPR's interview to spike.
And WNPR didn't spike the interview. They aired it. And linked to it in an unedited form.
I won; but what a stupid argument to have had. What a stupid fight for Milo to have started. Unless, Milo simply feeds off controversy. As long as his business is controversy, and not being right, maybe it's been good for Milo. What a disgusting piece of work he is.
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