Althouse: "Marine Le Pen... quickly called the 39-year-old Macron to concede defeat after voters rejected her 'French-first' nationalism by a large margin."

May 7, 2017

"Marine Le Pen... quickly called the 39-year-old Macron to concede defeat after voters rejected her 'French-first' nationalism by a large margin."

"The result wasn't even close: Pollsters projected that Macron won 65 percent of the votes. Le Pen's projected 35 percent score was lower than her polling numbers earlier in the campaign...."

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Drago said...: The Toothless Revolutionary: "I guess it could have been an Israeli Muslim who did it?"

17% chance of it I suppose.; 5/7/17, 11:14 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Drago,

Presumably dozens of hoaxes is a smaller number than thousands of not hoaxes.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-releasedd

So downplaying something tiny which is dwarfed by something that is monumentally more impactful seems not absurd re reality.; 5/7/17, 11:18 PM
Sprezzatura said...: BTW Drago,

Speaking of NYers shoving stuff up someone's ass, can ya think of some cops that did that to a dude?; 5/7/17, 11:20 PM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 5/7/17, 11:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Drago,

France has had a problem with their attitude toward Jews since long before Muslims entered France. The history is there, go do some research. No one is denying that Muslims in France are a threat to Jews living there, but French Jews didn't see it as as big of a threat as what would've happened had Le Pen won. Her anti Muslim stance would've created an even bigger threat to Jews living there. That is very evident in the articles I posted.; 5/7/17, 11:24 PM
Drago said...: 3rdgrader, the biggest takeaway in that report is that hate crimes against Jews are double that of hate crimes against muslims in the US.

And guess what? That still doesn't explain why Jews are fleeing France and Western Europe.; 5/7/17, 11:25 PM
Anonymous said...: https://www.vox.com/2017/5/6/15566872/nazi-hunters-marine-le-pen-french-elections

"PARIS — Beate and Serge Klarsfeld, France’s most famous Nazi hunters, thought their activist days were mostly behind them. After decades spent tirelessly tracking down Nazi war criminals across the globe, the couple — now 78 and 82 respectively — had finally settled into a quieter life.

Then Marine Le Pen arrived on the French political scene.

With the rise of Le Pen and her far-right National Front party, the Klarsfelds have marshaled the forces of the Holocaust memorial organization they represent — Sons and Daughters of Jews Deported from France — to keep Le Pen from winning the presidency.

They have published five full-page announcements in the French daily newspaper Libération denouncing the rise of the far right and demanding public support for centrist Emmanuel Macron in the final round of the presidential election. And they have written op-eds denouncing Le Pen’s candidacy and some of her more controversial statements, including her denial of French responsibility for the brutal fate of the 13,000 Jews arrested during the July 1942 Vel D’hiv round-up in Paris during the Second World War.

By now, one would have imagined this couple could rest."; 5/7/17, 11:27 PM
Drago said...: Inga: "Drago, France has had a problem with their attitude toward Jews since long before Muslims entered France."

All of Europe has had a problem with this in previous eras.

But you are still avoiding the obvious and immediate question as to why, despite that history, Jews in Europe in the last 50 years did not feel compelled to flee but are doing so now and over the previous years when muslim immigration grew enormously.

Given your political position, I suppose you have to. Otherwise, the questions and possible answers might become...uncomfortable.; 5/7/17, 11:28 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Drago,

I'm impressed that you could get to it since I messed up the link by adding an extra 'd' at the end.

Of course, it'd be even more impressive if ya didn't ignore the race stuff, which was the big chunk of it.; 5/7/17, 11:28 PM
Drago said...: Inga, can you give us an example of a French "Far Right" (they are socialists who happen to be anti-immigration, so that makes them "far right") group committing mass murder against Jews in France?

While you are pretending that question was not asked, since we are playing tit for tat with French establishment Jewish groups (who tend to be quite secular and left), here's another for you (from the more practicing Jewish contingent): http://www.jta.org/2017/03/28/news-opinion/world/why-these-5-european-jews-are-promoting-far-right-parties

snip: "As diverse as the Jewish communities to which they belong, the Jews who promote Europe’s rising nationalistic parties are nonetheless united in their fear of radical Islam, support for Israel and willingness to endorse politicians who are reviled and considered racist by the mainstream."; 5/7/17, 11:32 PM
Anonymous said...: "Serge Klarsfeld
Well, for survivors of the Shoah [Holocaust], it's of course very sad to see a political situation reminding us of the thirties, when we were small children — a time when parties from the extreme right or left were very strong. Of course, an extreme right party today, even if they don't campaign against Jews, we understand that they will be opposed to Jews also.

Today, Muslims are the enemies. They feel that the priority is to be given to Islam, but there was never an extreme right party which was not against Jews. Many Jews are, how to say, opposed and unhappy with the level of the extreme right in France. The level which is seen by the fact that Marine Le Pen is one of the two candidates for the second ballot.

Beate Klarsfeld
We have placed a full-page announcement in [the newspaper] Libération five times — an announcement against her and against the National Front and asking [readers] to vote for Macron. It explains the danger of right-wing parties, what happened in Europe, you know.

Beate Klarsfeld
Everybody has known that the National Front is an antisemitic party, and a fascist party against foreigners, and a very dangerous party because of this. It was not surprising when she made the statement. Her father [Jean Marie Le Pen] was worse. He said the Holocaust is a detail of the Second World War, you know, and denies the Holocaust."; 5/7/17, 11:34 PM
Drago said...: 3rdGradePB_GoodPerson: "Drago, I'm impressed that you could get to it since I messed up the link by adding an extra 'd' at the end."

That was elementary, my good man.

3rdgrader: "Of course, it'd be even more impressive if ya didn't ignore the race stuff, which was the big chunk of it."

Look, I've got to tell you that, no doubt, there's alot of racial conflict that happens at the "street level" and beyond. But we've all seen how often everything gets lobbed into some of these cases.

The media is still running around saying "hands up, don't shoot" is legit.; 5/7/17, 11:35 PM
Drago said...: Lets try this again:
Inga, can you give us an example of a French "Far Right" (they are socialists who happen to be anti-immigration, so that makes them "far right") group committing murder/mass murder against Jews in France?; 5/7/17, 11:36 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Drago said...
Inga, can you give us an example of a French "Far Right" (they are socialists who happen to be anti-immigration, so that makes them "far right") group"

Yes, that's the amusing thing to me. Economically, LePen is closer to Inga than to me. The only French pol who comes anywhere near to being a conservative in the Reagan-Thatcher sense is Fillon, who was knocked out in the first round. To the idiot media, anybody who is anti-immigration and pro-nationalist is automatically "far right" no matter how left that pol's views might be on everything else.; 5/7/17, 11:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Drago, I think these French Jews I've linked to know an extreme far right Party and candidate when they see one and they along with the majority rejected it. Drago, you don't know as much about French politics as the French people do. I'll take their word for it when they say Le Pen is far right and her party is too.; 5/7/17, 11:40 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Drago said...
Lets try this again:
Inga, can you give us an example of a French "Far Right" (they are socialists who happen to be anti-immigration, so that makes them "far right") group committing murder/mass murder against Jews in France?"

Good question.

Of course, Inga's response will be to trot out more quotes from leftists who say the FN is anti-Semitic and violent, etc.

Because it doesn't matter what the Muslims actually do, it only matters what so and so and such and such SAY about LePen.; 5/7/17, 11:41 PM
Drago said...: Inga: "Drago, I think these French Jews I've linked to know an extreme far right Party and candidate when they see one and they along with the majority rejected it. Drago, you don't know as much about French politics as the French people do. I'll take their word for it when they say Le Pen is far right and her party is too"

Wow.

Thats a really long way of saying 'There is no example of these far right parties committing mass murder against Jews'.

I congratulate you for thus far successfully ignoring all those Jews who have been butchered by your beloved islamists.

Really, it's a testament to your tenacity in defense of an ideology that has declared war on all of us. I can only hope that you encounter some of these "good natured" fellows so that you can explain to them directly how diligent you have been in working on their behalf.; 5/7/17, 11:43 PM
Drago said...: Inga: " I'll take their word for it when they say Le Pen is far right and her party is too."

And yet it's not those "far right" types committing mass murder against Jews.

And you have yet to speak out against those that do.

Congrats.; 5/7/17, 11:45 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: So the leftist who is in complete denial points to other leftists who are also in complete denial - because she can't produce any evidence of, you know, actual violence against Jews committed by LePen's followers.

But she ignores the Jewish doctor thrown to her death by a Muslim immigrant. She ignores the slaughter in Nice. She ignores the actual murders.

Doesn't fit the narrative!; 5/7/17, 11:45 PM
Drago said...: The only thing missing from Ingas spirited defense of the islamists is a direct call for burkas for all and more Female Genital Mutilation.

But only the "good kind", as explained by the leftist professor on Tucker's show, of course.; 5/7/17, 11:46 PM
Anonymous said...: I have no "beloved Islamists". Drago when you resort to such hyperbole, it's a sign you've lost the argument. I'm not a rabid Muslim hater and I'm on par with the French Jews I linked to.; 5/7/17, 11:46 PM
Drago said...: You know, I had no idea that Female Genital Mutilation wasn't a big deal until Inga's political soulmate patiently explained it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYTu7m95pQ; 5/7/17, 11:48 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: "I can only hope that you encounter some of these "good natured" fellows so that you can explain to them directly how diligent you have been in working on their behalf."

I'm sure they'll spare her too. I mean, did you notice how carefully the terrorists separated the nice liberal pro-Muslim infidels from the bad conservative infidels before they committed murder on 9/11. They're always very scrupulous about that.; 5/7/17, 11:48 PM
Drago said...: Inga: "I'm not a rabid Muslim hater and I'm on par with the French Jews I linked to."

The ones that are still alive.

For now.

Similar to the Jews in Germany in the 30's who thought hey, it can't really be this bad, can it? Why leave? This is our country too!

Most of them learned their lesson far too late.

Still waiting on that list of Far Right killings of Jews in France. It's okay Inga. We know that list isn't coming.

The list of muslims killing Jews in France?

Well, where do we begin?....; 5/7/17, 11:50 PM
Drago said...: Remember, in Ingas world, if you even happen to notice that, gee, there sure do seem to be an inordinate number of mass murders in France/Europe by islamists, you are a bigot.

Noticing it is one of the lefts newest (the list is quite long) thoughtcrimes.

Noticing must be stamped out!

And that Female Genital Mutilation? Sex Slavery? Mass Sexual Assaults?

Good natured "fun", thats all. H8ters!; 5/7/17, 11:53 PM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: "The only thing missing from Ingas spirited defense of the islamists is a direct call for burkas for all and more Female Genital Mutilation."

Maybe the women with the pussy hats should start snipping bits of the hats off as a symbol of their solitary with this perfectly valid cultural custom.

After all, Women's March organizer Linda Sansour thinks Sharia law is just peachy. Oh, and she just loves the Jews too:

"Now, some, including state Assemblyman Dov Hikind (D-Brooklyn), are saying that Sarsour’s activisim and beliefs make her unfit to serve as speaker at the taxpayer-funded university's commencement.

“She is someone who associates with radical Islamists," Hikind said. "She is someone who has said, clearly, she thinks throwing rocks at cars in Israel is a good thing."

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/22/sharia-law-advocate-linda-sarsour-give-commencement-speech-taxpayer-funded-university; 5/7/17, 11:55 PM
Drago said...: Stupid Germans! Why won't they listen to Inga from Wisconsin?!

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9154/germans-leaving-germany

"Germany is facing a spike in migrant crime, including an epidemic of rapes and sexual assaults. Mass migration is also accelerating the Islamization of Germany. Many Germans appear to be losing hope about the future direction of their country.

"We refugees... do not want to live in the same country with you. You can, and I think you should, leave Germany. And please take Saxony and the Alternative for Germany (AfD) with you.... Why do you not go to another country? We are sick of you!" — Aras Bacho an 18-year-old Syrian migrant, in Der Freitag, October 2016.""

Ingas Islamist pals are certainly keeping busy.; 5/7/17, 11:59 PM
Drago said...: Right about now Inga is feverishly, FEVERISHLY, googling to find one, just one violent incident of a French "far right" person attacking a Jew so she can draw immediate moral equivalence between Le Pen and islamist terrorists.

But who are we kidding.

Inga is not really going to assert moral equivalence between Le Pen and islamist terrorists.

Inga will actually give the islamist terrorists the benefit of the doubt.; 5/8/17, 12:01 AM
Anonymous said...: http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/-4-4-2017?utm_source=World+Jewish+Congress+Daily+News&utm_campaign=67b1e19ad4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_04_06&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a1de7e9b27-67b1e19ad4-310829305

""The AfD continually points out the dangers of such developments that have intensified as a result of the massive illegal immigration in recent years," Petry told 'Die Welt' in an interview. She rejected the charge made last week by World Jewish Congress President Ronald S. Lauder, who in an interview with the same newspaper had called the AfD "a disgrace for Germany" and expressed hope that the party would soon disappear from the political landscape.

Pointing to what she regarded as growing dangers for Jews due to "illegal anti-Semitic migration" [of Muslims], Petry said the AfD was "one of the few guarantors of Jewish life in Germany. The AfD has been democratically elected to several regional legislatures and is therefore a legitimate force in German politics," she told 'Die Welt'.

According to Petry, the AfD was highlighting the dangers of massive illegal immigration and was also opposed to a boycott of Israel which was promoted by left-wing parties.

"This party has no place in Germany. I hope they soon disappear from the political stage," Ronald Lauder told 'Die Welt'. Asked what he made of recent remarks by Björn Höcke, one of the AfD's leading figures who declined to call Adolf Hitler "absolute evil," Lauder said: "What he said in his speech in Dresden and his interview with the 'Wall Street Journal' was absolutely shocking and repulsive. He sounded like an apologist for Hitler. It is clear to me that AfD party panders to the extreme-right. They are playing with fire," Lauder said.

Knobloch: AfD is 'brazen and dishonest'

Charlotte Knobloch, the head of the Munich Jewish community and World Jewish Congress Commissioner for Holocaust memory, categorically rejected Petry's remarks. "It is incredibly brazen and dishonest that the AfD is now trying to exploit the justified concerns that exist among Jews when it comes to anti-Semitism among Muslims in Germany.""; 5/8/17, 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Drago,

France has had a problem with their attitude toward Jews since long before Muslims entered France. The history is there, go do some research. No one is denying that Muslims in France are a threat to Jews living there, but French Jews didn't see it as as big of a threat as what would've happened had Le Pen won. Her anti Muslim stance would've created an even bigger threat to Jews living there. That is very evident in the articles I posted.

5/7/17, 11:24 PM
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Drago, you've lost this argument. European Jews and gentiles alike reject far right politics. You can't continue to use Jews to promote your Islamaphobia.; 5/8/17, 12:16 AM
Anonymous said...: The rest of the article.

"Schuster: 'Can do without AfD'

Josef Schuster, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, also rejected Petry's remarks. He accused the AfD of pandering to the extremes and of stirring hatred against minorities. "We can do without such guarantors," Schuster said.

Support for the party, which was established in 2013, has declined as immigration has fallen out of the headlines. In opinion surveys, the AfD is polling between 7 and 11 percent, above the 5 percent threshold to enter parliament but well below its high of 15.5 percent at the end of 2016."; 5/8/17, 12:32 AM
Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...: Drago, you are becoming unhinged regarding muslims. Muslims in Europe are, in general, a poor underclass, not much higher on the pecking pole than the Romani. They are not an existential threat to Europe. The failing economy is an existential threat. The economy is failing because the west has no effective answer to China's state powered mercantilism. You have lost all perspective.; 5/8/17, 5:44 AM
exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...: Inga wrote: "Drago, you've lost this argument"

No, he did not. We were both right in our predictions.

He said -repeatedly- "Inga, can you give us an example of a French "Far Right" (they are socialists who happen to be anti-immigration, so that makes them "far right") group committing murder/mass murder against Jews in France?"

I said:

"So the leftist who is in complete denial points to other leftists who are also in complete denial - because she can't produce any evidence of, you know, actual violence against Jews committed by LePen's followers.

But she ignores the Jewish doctor thrown to her death by a Muslim immigrant. She ignores the slaughter in Nice. She ignores the actual murders."

Which is what happened. You can't find actual EVIDENCE to back up your claims - all you can do is point to other shortsighted idiots and say "Look! They think the same way I do!"

That wasn't the question. Drago asked for actual evidence of violence committed by LePen followers.

You can't provide it.

Once again, you are completely, predictably, totally wrong.

Don't you ever get tired of it? Or are you really too stupid to realize it?; 5/8/17, 5:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Marc Puckett: Angel-Dyne, I'm planning on making the pilgrimage from Le Puy, too, probably after retirement, in 2022 or 2023, God willing. Had planned on the Pentecost pilgrimage from Paris to Chartres this year but unfortunately that's not happening (for me, I mean).

Perhaps we'll see you on the road! Our dates aren't exact yet, either. Tough call on which route to take, but the Le Puy route covers more of our favorite parts of France.

(I wouldn't mind a stroll to Chartres, either. Fixed your link - you had an extraneous character there.); 5/8/17, 7:07 AM
Rick said...: Inga said...
I have no "beloved Islamists". Drago when you resort to such hyperbole, it's a sign you've lost the argument

Wouldn't this philosophy cover people who claim the American religious right wants to turn America into The Handmaid's Tale?; 5/8/17, 8:45 AM