March 26, 2017

"Even gender-neutral pronouns don’t feel as if they fit me. I feel no identity or closeness with any pronouns I’ve come across. What describes me is my name."

Said Patch, formerly known as Patrick Abbatiello, formerly designated as male, who not only acquired a legal name change — to Patch, just Patch (It's Patch*) — but got the legal gender designation changed to "genderless."

This happened in Multnomah County, which happens to be a county name I know, because it's that county with the idea of spending $22 million building 300 "tiny houses" in the backyards of homeowners who agree to take in a homeless family for 5 years.

The linked article is at HeatStreet — which has an attitude that I find unappealing and where there's a Gender Identities quiz that's freeze-framed on an image that I'm not going to click on but is either snarkily or unwittingly trading in surprising phallus placement:



I'm creating a new tag — "gender privacy" — for this and yesterday's post "What a deceptive headline at The Daily Caller!"

Yesterday's post was about a teacher who, after losing her breasts to cancer, wanted to present herself as gender neutral and to say to any children who wondered about her gender: "We all have private lives, and it would not be appropriate to talk about our private lives during the school day." In the comments, people focused on the problem of what pronoun to use (which really is troublesome as we maintain an interest in speaking in a natural way), and I said:
I didn't take a position on the pronouns.

I talked about etiquette and decency in interpersonal relationships.

Note that this isn't a woman demanding to be spoken of as a man or raising the issue whether she somehow really is a man. This is a person who is asking for no reference to be made to her sex. It's a request for privacy about her body.

Out of simple empathy, you could respect that.

You could also ask why a person's sex is considered properly in the public realm. Why don't we all demand privacy about the body parts we cover up and demand that others cover up. If they must be covered up, why do we feel entitled to talk about them?
These are questions I really want to discuss.

Also, I see an analogy to something that happened in the development of the same-sex marriage issue. Many people started to ask why the government is involved in recognizing people's personal/sexual relationships at all. Why not privatize the whole thing, get government out of marriage? Now, you might want to think about why government concerns itself with our private parts. If you want to say gender is more than genitalia, that it's a state of mind, the question of privacy is only heightened: Why should government concern itself with how we feel deep inside?

As for those pesky pronouns, we have freedom of speech. That too belongs in the sphere of the individual. We get to decide for ourselves how to speak. There are many difficult decisions here, and the government should not be solving them.

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* Let's never forget what the Saturday Night Live people found hilarious in the early 90s:



The movie was a big flop, but the character had been hugely successful on SNL in many sketches.

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Jon Ericson said...

"Quick, Henry, the Flit!"

Paddy O said...

Take it somewhere else, is the reason Trump won. At a certain point people realize language is just a game for people who flood debates with changing goals and pose in whatever way suits their underlying goals. So people learn that debate is not useful so elect someone who promises a different approach. Even if I disagree with the approach it makes sensefor people to want it, just because it is the way to defy the false moral posturing.

Professional lady said...

I have two transgendered people in my extended family. I love both of them and am very afraid for both of them. I have had experience with social workers, psychiatrists, and psychologists (as expert witnesses). I have first hand experience with how crazy, incompetent, money driven, and political they can be. I am really worried that my relatives' "counselors" are just reinforcing and encouraging their disorientation (or whatever you want to call it). My relatives are also being encouraged in their environments. I wish people would just admit that they really don't know what is going on and be more cautious. Surgery and taking hormones really has me frightened for them. There is really not much I can do but love them and pray for them.

Static Ping said...

Wow, this escalated impressively.

The "It's Pat" sketch was funny the first time and it still had its charms for some time after that, but the truth of the matter it was a one joke bit that got stretched out past marginal returns. This was a common problem with SNL back in those days: find a sketch that people liked the first time, then beat it to death until everyone got sick of it. The "It's Pat" sketch was more one note than their usual fare as every single joke was a variation of the original one.

For the record, I have seen the movie and it was genuinely terrible, one of the worst comedies I have ever watched. The joke was so worn out at that point that it just wasn't funny and their attempts to make it funny seemed truly desperate. Perhaps with better comedic timing they could have made it work, but comedic genius was not evident. This was also a common problem with SNL at the time as their movies were usually terrible, though this one may have been the worst of the bunch.

damikesc said...

"Critics are scrutinizing mixed martial arts (MMA) competitor Fallon Fox, after the transgender fighter gave her opponent a concussion and broke her eye socket.

Fox defeated her opponent, Tamikka Brents, by TKO at 2:17 of the first round of their match. Brent’s eye injury resulted in a damaged orbital bone that required seven staples.


UFC has quite publicly opposed allowing Fox to fight for them, but I suspect we'll eventually see litigation to force their hands. And they oppose it for specifically this reason.

The most out-of-shape man on Earth will be physically stronger than most seriously physically-fit women. It's reality and it's biology. Men are made differently. Same as why Serena Williams would be unlikely to even be COMPETITIVE against a man ranked 150 in the world (and why Robby Riggs likely threw his loss to Billie Jean King).

Feminists come across like absolute idiots with this. They fought hard, for years, to claim that women warrant some legal protections against men --- and THEN sit back and applaud as pop culture now says "thinking you should have had a vagina and boobs is all it takes to be a woman".

It is profoundly insulting to women.

I remember Renée Richards, a male-to-female trans tennis player who sued to play on the women's tour. 'She' was granted permission by the NY Supreme Court. I expect golf and other sports will become havens for trans athletes wanting to up their chances of success. Women's sports are doomed.

On the collegiate level, it is inevitable. Why in the world would a marginal male basketball player not claim to be a tranny and go for the women's team, most likely make the team, and end up with a free ride? UConn, easily the best women's team in the country, would be in the bottom of virtually any men's conference. Size, speed, etc --- they would not be competitive.

This woman broke all previous lifting records by a long ways and completely dominated the competition.

17 year old on steroids wins state and goes 52-0 because she is transitioning to male but rules wont let her switch.

The goal here by the right seems to be to ignore the issue and pretend these people don't exist and/or have feelings.


The Right recognizes that feelings do not trump biology and, barring creating a special tranny division, there is not a viable solution to protect these people's "feelings". And, again, we don't worry about the "feelings" of people who are delusional and incorrect in reality.

Are you saying people are choosing to feel messed up?

No. But we also don't expend efforts to pretend that their feelings are reality. Anorexics believe they are fat when it is clearly not the case. Should we start calling them tubby?

No company is as accountable to the public at large as an elected government that must be rechallenged every 2 to 6 years.

You're actually arguing that bureaucrats, many of whom you couldn't name if you tried, that cannot be fired are accountable at all?

PEARLAND, TX (WPVI) -- Kimberly Shappley is as conservative and Christian as they come.

They are trying to peddle that their FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD has a concept of its own sexuality. I'll note that they didn't do anything to help their child. They are allowing a delusion to become a child's reality. My five year old thought he was a panda for a day or two. I played with him and made sure he was aware he was a human.

This is little more than child abuse. And you CHAMPION it.

Chuck said...

jayseedubyou said...
I was somewhat happily uninterested with the transgender and pronoun issue until the 2016 Obama administration's "Dear Colleague" letter, addressing Title IX, and conflating "sex" with "gender." Once I saw that, I couldn't ignore it.


Actually, it was April of 2011.

Chuck said...

Wait, stop, I am sorry.

jayseedubyou was talking about a different "Dear Colleague" letter. The transgender one from 2016. Not the famous one from April 2011.

I extend not only my apologies to jayseedubyou, but also my thanks because it made me look it up and read it as an original .pdf.

Freaking amazing. And again I say, sorry, and thanks.

ccscientist said...

Why is the gov involved? Children. Ever since we have had taxes it has been the policy to help families a little. You get a deduction for your kids. Inheritance is also about your kids. For a child it is obvious who the mother is if not always who the father is. These things matter. A child needs to have a defined mother and father. Adoptive gay parents kind of screw this up. Medical treatment to be proper must be gender specific. Medicines differ in their effects. Heart attack symptoms differ. Likelihood of getting many illnesses differ (for diagnosis purposes).
It is not possible in a society made up mostly of strangers to keep straight all the people who want a special gender designation. It is impossible to know. Even in school I did know all the teachers by any means, much less about their pronoun preferences.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Take it somewhere else, is the reason Trump won.

Repeating assertions doesn't, actually make them true, California Republican. No swing state was won by Trump, the first Republican candidate to mention "LGBTQ rights", on the basis of that issue or pronouns. You California Republicans need to get real jobs, manufacturing jobs like the ones he promised to bring back to the four swing states he won, and then figure out that no one gives a fucking hoot about that stuff. They don't vote on it one way or another when the issue is EATING and NOT STARVING. Get a damn clue and get out of your War on Hollywood bubble.

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