"There’s rumors that they actually were right-wingers. They were a part of a kind of group that was organized and ready to create the kind of tumult and danger you saw that forced the police to cancel the event. So Donald Trump, when he says Berkeley doesn’t respect free speech rights, that’s a complete distortion of the truth.”Yes, they did look "almost paramilitary." Here's a description:
“You think it’s a strategy by [Milo Yiannopoulos] or right-wingers?” asked host Don Lemon.
“I wouldn’t bet against it,” Reich said. “I saw these people. They all looked very– almost paramilitary. They were not from the campus. I don’t want to say factually, but I’ve heard there was some relationship here between these people and the right-wing movement that is affiliated with Breitbart News.”
Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires. They also smashed windows of the student union center on the Berkeley campus where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held.They wore masks. It's ludicrous to say "I have never seen them before" when you are talking about people who hid their faces with masks.
How can you say they were from the "outside" and "not from the campus" when you can't see who they are? Even if you could see the faces, how could you know if you were looking at students? Reich may be a Berkeley professor, but there are over 38,000 students at Berkeley. He can't recognize them all.
Is he relying on some sort of stereotype of what Berkeley students look like?
That's a microaggression against students who don't look like the stereotype.
Although Reich went to Yale Law School — he's currently a professor not of law but public policy — he does not use weaseling language to say something without saying anything. That makes it easier to cry "fake news" on him as he wafts his theory.
But that doesn't mean his theory is wrong. It might be true. It's interesting to hear a person of the left say "outside agitators."
"Outside agitators" was a classic phrase used against civil rights workers. Here it is in a classic context from 1963:
While confined here in the Birmingham city jail, I came across your recent statement calling my present activities "unwise and untimely."...
I think I should indicate why I am here in Birmingham, since you have been influenced by the view which argues against "outsiders coming in."...The last time I looked Berkeley was inside the United States.
But more basically, I am in Birmingham because injustice is here....
Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Atlanta and not be concerned about what happens in Birmingham. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 212 of 212AReasonableMan said...
This is a reasonable assessment of the start of Trump's presidency. He came into office with very little political capital. A lot of his voters were cool, at best, on his candidacy. He had to win people over early by appearing competent, calm and focused on the core economic issues that got him elected. Didn't do it.
Core economic issues? What fantasy land do you inhabit? A very large number of his votes were anti-Clinton. Like mine. Every voter, as in "every voter I know and talked to or saw posting on facebook who was pro-Trump was pro-Trump because immigration issues. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... in case you didn't get it.
@Harold, lefties are ahistorical, even when the history is only two or three months ago.
Milo paid 7K for his own security and there was not a single arrest made. Not one arrest. What that says is that the Security detail was told NOT to arrest anyone. They certainly seem complicit.
Did the same at DePaul. And when BLM thugs rushed the stage, the security --- did nothing. And they were there for a while.
But, I'm curious --- when can security details arrest people? I was unaware private security had that level of authority.
If Berkeley was the same as previous university visits, his "private security" was university police. Who, in most public universities, are peace officers with the power of arrest. YMMV with private universities. They may be akin to railroad police, private employees granted police and arrest authority by the state.
BTW, I'm not happy with people blaming Cal for this.
@Michelle Dulak Thompson, I don't see how Cal can extricate itself from a share of the blame when it points at the victim and claims he's the perpetrator, and when it cannot protect the safety of its students merely attending a presentation. FWIW there are lots of universities that give their students a fine education.
Enh, always with the "p" in my last name. It's not there :-)
I don't mean that Cal isn't to blame here. I mean that the institution -- meaning the students and the faculty -- is not responsible for several dozen thugs setting Sproul Plaza on fire. Yiannapoulos was provocative, as is his wont, and he's certainly the winner of this round. But, really, when a gay Jewish immigrant can't get a word in, isn't there something wrong?
That said, Cal was very good to me, and I had only fine experiences there. I wonder whether they still host the engineering race on the vents outside Etcheverry Hall, because I'd love to put in my updated model. (The vents have major down-draft, which is the motive power for the vehicles. The catch is that there are points on the path where the flow is blocked, and vehicles that were doing fine until that point tended to take to the air. I had this model that had wings strapped to rubber bands, so that they would snap down once there wasn't air coming down, but it wasn't enough. I think I could do better next time.)
Harold said...
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... in case you didn't get it.
But no one gives a shit about those people because they are always voting Red team. They are the equivalent of inner city blacks. The people that the Dems have to win back cared about jobs, manufacturing jobs. Trump just made winning those people a lot easier.
"The people that the Dems have to win back cared about jobs, manufacturing jobs. Trump just made winning those people a lot easier."
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Apparently two keys are stuck on MK's keyboard.
ARM: "...two keys stuck...". I think MK has downloaded the "Derision Level 5"
App. Very popular these days.
Harold said...
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM... in case you didn't get it.
But no one gives a shit about those people because they are always voting Red team. They are the equivalent of inner city blacks. The people that the Dems have to win back cared about jobs, manufacturing jobs. Trump just made winning those people a lot easier.
And putting the working man down is why Trump won, and how you get more Trump. Keep working at it and showing your derision for T.C. Mits, and next time it's be a landslide.
Harold said...
And putting the working man down
Which I didn't do. No one gives a shit about my vote either.
The Left is convinced that Trump is SO bad that they will be rewarded for engaging in violence.
It's a shame - not for the Left, or the Democrats like Pelosi who are openly siding with them (who deserve what is coming) - but for the country.
I left my Presidential ballot blank - Trump's mouth and ego are not to my liking, my hope was and is that he'll hire grown ups to work for him, and they'll be able to keep the worst impulses of those things to "sideshow" impact. That's my hope.
What the Left - and the Democrats who've thrown in with them - are doing is showing not just their hatred for Trump . . . . they're showing their hatred for America.
Yes, I know "Hillary won the popular vote" blah blah blah
Got news for you.
"Everyone in the middle of the country" is well aware the elites on the East Coast and West Coast hates them.
That Hillary won the popular vote is no big deal - California gave her that "margin of victory" (and then some), and California is clearly insane . . . . . you want to secede? We'd like you to go too.
Being lectured by our "betters," when they clearly are NOT our "betters," gets old.
Keep it up, lefties, and you'll get to see what "energized" looks like.
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