1. "'Brexit' Revolt Casts a Shadow Over Hillary Clinton’s Cautious Path" (Patrick Healy, NYT). ("[W]hile many of Mr. Sanders’s supporters are expected to support her in November, she has not recalibrated her message to try to tap into the anger that he and Mr. Trump channeled. Nor does Mrs. Clinton have any plans, advisers say, to take cues from the Brexit campaign and start soft-pedaling her support for globalized markets, or denouncing porous borders, illegal immigrants and the lack of job protections in free-trade agreements...." And the pivot would not be easy because she supported NAFTA and because her views about trade are "nuanced" compared to Trump's.)
2. "The Hillary Campaign Should Be Panicking/But are they buying into their own good press?" by Sarah Isgur Flores in The Weekly Standard. ("[It's] been over 200 days since her last press conference.... Hiding their candidate is exactly what the Clinton campaign is doing. It's hard to imagine Trump will make the rest of this race as easy for Clinton as he has the last few weeks. He's having a significantly better few days, and Brexit only helps his momentum. The fantasy within the Clinton campaign that they could easily take down Trump by calling him 'dangerously incoherent' should be giving way to reality after this batch of polling.Clinton is such a deeply flawed candidate that her staff is learning they can't even run up the score against Trump during the worst month of his campaign....)
3. Riddle: What's the difference between "nuanced" and "incoherent"? (The answer is easy, so I'll withhold my simple riposte and turn the discussion over to you.)
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48 comments:
nuanced is said by people with their little pinky sticking out while drinking expensive imported wine.
incoherent is said by people who chug MD 20/20 and burp.
Gap vs no gap.
Nuanced?
Try she'll say whatever she needs to say at the moment. Better word: corrupt.
Just another way the NYT promotes and covers for Hillary.
Nuanced has bridges over all the chasms.
Wiscexit? Massachexit? New Mexit?
Where's your Hillary's in trouble tag.
Seriously, this blog should change it's name to: Hillary's in trouble!
Incoherent was (4) years ago when you were telling everyone why Willard Mitt was going to easily win!
Nuanced, hmm hard to be nuanced when you're preaching to a 95/5 con choir daily ...
Nuanced means oligarch approved.
My views are nuanced. Your views are incoherent. I think that's the difference you have in mind.
Nuanced = Democrat
Incoherent= Republican
Another incoherent post from shiloh that she thinks is nuanced. Hillary is the worst presidential candidate in generations.
None of her supporters have ever listed a single positive accomplishment of hers.
None of her supporters pretend she is not an amoral sociopathic liar.
None of her supporters will address the reasons why she hasn't had a press conference in so long.
The only people who think Hillary will win trust the media. It is still a 50 50 she is even the nominee.
Achilles, you're always free to foolishly disagree w/my post/opinions, but it in no way was it incoherent, rather quite succinct and on point!
Shiloh at 8:16 AM perfectly illustrates Leslie Graves' point.
What if Trump is elected, and then people in blue states get the leaver-fever?
Oregon, Maryland, Connecticut...
I would not be sorry to see them go. We'd need to have visiting rights to Oregon, though.
Who says Trump's message is not nuanced?
Direct version: "Make America great."
Nuanced version: "Make America great again."
Even Hillary's shitstains are nuanced.
What nuanced is the MSMs rather low key and phlegmatic reporting of Obama's and his would successor Hillary's crimes and treason along with the epic failures of their policies.
shiloh said...
"Achilles, you're always free to foolishly disagree w/my post/opinions, but it in no way was it incoherent, rather quite succinct and on point!"
I am going to assume your post reflects your intelligence. Nothing you have posted so far belies intelligence. If you weren't a Hillary supporter I can see some dark humor in it.
For you I use the equivalent of crayons: There is no good reason to support hillary and you can't even pretend to name any.
The difference between 'nuanced' and 'inchoherent'?
A double shot of "Rock and Rye"
You're welcome.
"There is no good reason to support Hillary and you can't even pretend to name any."
Yup. Even the vagina thing is getting weak as the trannies complain about discrimination.
Incoherent Achilles: Trump the Oligarch will save us from the Oligarchy.
The MSM has made "anger" a must-use word in discussing the state of politics here and, of course, in the UK. But I am not so sure it is anger so much as disgust and a rational turn to a different approach. Rational is not a word the MSM will choose in this connection. It is considered brainy to note the demographic shifts and the voting patterns of the aging and put two and two together and then add in a little lack of education to explain the crazy behavior of the voting public. Leaving out those like Boris Johnson who are neither old nor poorly educated and legions of those exactly like him.
Hillary's general election campaign, like her primary campaign, is of no importance.
She already has the votes, real and fraudulent, lined up to win the general, just like she had the votes, and the superdelegates, that gave her the primary win despite her impediments of incompetence, lousy message, no energy, her entire history, absolute corruption, and ongoing moral malfeasance.
Hillary could go to Bermuda until January, come back and be inaugurated. She has already stolen this election successfully, and her incompetent campaign is proof of that. Why work to get something you already have?
Unknown said...
"Incoherent Achilles: Trump the Oligarch will save us from the Oligarchy."
Haven't heard that one before. You must be so smart. Why even bother to read trump's positions or listen to his speeches. The media plays clips of all the important things that make him look bad and that is enough.
It is only incoherent to you because you live in a bubble and you are stupid.
@Achilles, shiloh's comment was not nearly as succinct as he imagines, nor did it address the point of this point. However it was coherent.
Back in the day, when I received training on running a local campaign from the RNC (a friend was running for state senate) I was told that if your candidate is best in small groups, put him or her in front of small groups. If your candidate is best in front of large crowds, put him or her in front of large crowds. If your candidate is not someone people warm to, then keep him hidden. Strange to see those last two pieces of advice played out at a national level.
Managed econonmy = Nuanced
Free market = Incoherent
Follow my plan = Nuanced
Set your own goals = Incoherent
"Nuanced" is bullshit from a Democrat, "incoherent" is bullshit from anyone else.
"Why even bother to read trump's positions"
Since everything associated w/his campaign especially policy positions are, how shall I say, quite fluid it may be better to wait for the debates to better understand his ever evolving political/economic/social policies.
Indeed, nothing nuanced re: Trump's daily incoherent demagoguery.
"Indeed, nothing nuanced re: Trump's daily incoherent demagoguery."
Amusing to see the follower of Obama and Clinton demagoguery project,
Nigel Farage and Trump both attract such amusing opponents.
A nice analysis from Conrad Black today.
The absurdly exaggerated reaction to the British vote to leave the European Union demonstrates the complacency and incompetence of the governing elites in Britain and Western Europe, and how those attitudes rippled out, unchallenged, in the international media and financial markets. There is some analogy with the comeuppance given the American political class by the fighting bulls of left, centre and right: Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. In both these principal sections of the Western world, the political institutions have been misused by feeble, cynical and inept leaders. There are both similarities and distinctions between the American and European experiences, and both should be recognized.
The HuffPo is equally outraged and distraught at the "lizard brain" voters who don't know what is good good for their own best interests. Quite amusing.
Give Hill credit: her whole life has been extremely coherent, revolving exclusively and consistently around the personal pursuit of power at all costs, come what may. At any one point, faced with any one problem, she always calculated rationally from the point of view of the overriding goal (sometimes misjudging likely effects, of course, but nonetheless ruthlessly suppressing any secondary considerations). Whitewater, adultery, travel records, FOIA, Benghazi, Goldman-Sachs, you name it, she dealt with everything in an entirely cold-blooded way, aided by subservient flunkies who could be easily sacrificed. (Not to go all conspiracy theorist on y'all, but I think it's the cost of that sacrifice that affected Vince F.)
The difference? Is Hillary's vodka bottle half-full, or empty?
Shiloh still has no reason to support Hillary. None of these stories are trying to build support for her. The quiet dog bites.
Hillary is going to be replaced if they can pull it off.
"Give Hill credit: her whole life has been extremely coherent, revolving exclusively and consistently around the personal pursuit of power at all costs, come what may."
I have always believed, since they first appeared in 1992, that Bill was about power and his is a very good politician, but Hillary was about money. She was always the bagman for the couple. They are certainly a team. She, however, was always incompetent at politics.
They have kept this huge personal staff together with lots of money raised by selling influence, often to very unsavory characters.
Nuanced is an argument that makes no sense but agrees with orthodoxy. Incoherent is an argument that disagrees with orthodoxy, whether it makes sense or not.
I wonder how long before nuanced become a word whose negative connotations outweigh its actual meaning. Bernie Sanders, for example, ran on a campaign of national socialism but sadly the negative connotations of those words had more significance than the beauty of his vision.......Only liberals get to "evolve" into "nuanced" positions on gay marriage and gun control.
Why is the media giving Hillary a pass on no press conferences for 200 days?
I've been told there is no media bias....does anyone really think the MSM wouldn't be throwing a fit if Trump hadn't had a press conference in 200 days?
Gahrie:
The press is with her.
And why bother? She never gets a tough question. And she dodges any question that is half-way tough.
@Dr K - Not sure if I completely agree about Bill Clinton. Some of it may have been about power, but I think that part may also have been abut sex and maybe his other appetites (e.g. Cocaine). Obviously not a shrink here, but there always seemed something almost pathological about his risk taking and his sexual conquests. Why rape or sexually assault unwilling women when willng ones would have lined up for the chance? Why risk discovery by his wife and the public, after she started actively trying to prevent him from hooking up while in the White House? It was almost like a game with him. I expect that actively thwarting his wife gave a bit more thrill to his trysts. I know guys like that, but none of them had the nuclear launch codes, or took blow jobs while on the phone with national leaders. And he appears to have done some, if not all, of them while high on illegal drugs.
Nuanced is a mature adult way of communicating. Trump does it all the time. Just because he can
Do age 8 communication to the other
80% of the voters too in no problem at all. Hillary and her Media claque says it is cheating to do both like dribbling a basket ball with either hand.
Hillary actually fears Trump's skill level. So she calls him names, and we laugh.
"there always seemed something almost pathological about his risk taking and his sexual conquests. "
Yes, I agree. Maybe Hillary played the mother role for him. He had an odd childhood with father figures coming and going.
I'm not going to try to analyze him I agree he is an odd character. Very skillful as a politician but that goes with a certain level of psychopathy. Alan Greenspan once said the only president he ever met who was a normal person was Ford.
Eisenhower seems to me to have been pretty normal but he is reputed to have had a terrible temper.
His stroke was during a rage at being called from the golf course for some inconsequential matterl
It's amusing that the "Petition" to reverse Brexit seems to be a hoax.
I hope all the "unknowns" are not too upset.
Anne Applebaum made an insightful comment this morning on CNN. [Really, she did!] She made the observation that the Brexit vote revealed that the economy is NOT necessarily as important to a lot of people as cultural identity. She no doubt considers this a catastrophe.
People who voted 'Leave' were not a bunch of ignoramuses not realizing the impact on the markets, contrary to what the MSM are so eager for us to believe. There are things more important than money. Quality of life, for instance.
mockturtle: There may also be some disagreement about what "the economy" is and who should affect it and how, even if it is ignoramuses vs MIT and LSE economists talking their books and government officials worried about selling bonds to actual people with their own actual capital at stake. Next step: An absolute bar on central banks buying debt (particularly government or government agency debt) or equity securities or lending money to intermediaries to do so.
James, I wholeheartedly agree. Our Federal Reserve Banks make a killing on the interest on our ever-escalating debt, of which they hold the largest share.
Well Hillary does not want to lose the nevertrump republican vote.
"Our Federal Reserve Banks make a killing on the interest on our ever-escalating debt, of which they hold the largest share."
That will work very well until almost the end.
Nobody alive remembers 1929 but a few of us oldsters heard about it.
I think "nuanced" has something to do with the meaning of "is."
I have a theory that will be tested very soon.
My theory is:
Polls are disastrous for Trump right now because they aren't taken in a vacuum. The people being polled are real people with thoughts and feelings. And many of these people want to influence the rest of us with their responses.
Currently, there is a chance, although an outside chance, that Trump can be replaced at the convention. Those being polled are hoping that if Trumps chances are small enough, that'll increase the chance he'll be replaced at he convention. So people are telling pollsters anything other than "Trump" when asked "Hillary or Trump?"
Once the convention comes and goes and Trump is the undeniable, official candidate, this theory will be tested.
If Trumps polling doesn't approve after the convention is over (I'll give it two weeks) then he's toast.
"If Trumps polling doesn't approve after the convention is over (I'll give it two weeks) then he's toast."
Brexit should be a warning. I thought that about Romney in 2012 but he was a much more conventional candidate,
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