"Even paranoids have real enemies, and even righties have real fears about a hostile media. Not Helpful to run towards the flames with a can of gasoline. DISCLOSURES: I am #NeverTrump with a long history of distrusting the media, so take a moment to imagine my angst... UPDATE... Unless C Lew and the security guy have extraordinary footwork I don't see how C Lew grabs Fields on her left arm without blocking the security guy. OTOH, the security guy could easily grab Fields' left arm, drag her back, and slide right by...."
Either you know what that's about or you don't. But steel yourself for endless he-hit-me stories from the press (as they jostle for position and feel roughed up) and from protesters at political rallies who get right where they only need to provoke one intemperate Trump enthusiast to make trouble for the politician they hate.
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221 comments:
1 – 200 of 221 Newer› Newest»There is an audio recording of the incident on politico.com site. Listening to the voice of the journalist allegedly severely mishandled by Lewandowski gives interesting insight - there is no fear/stress/pain/raised heartbeat detectable in her voice.
So, yes, probably Lewandowski pulled her off Trump leaving marks on her arm, but the incident is presented as brutal attack which simply doesn't add up when listening to the tape.
Trump's speeches are attended by tens of thousands of people who behave themselves well.
The Scientific Progressives tried to discredit the Tea Party movement by this same smear tactic. One person at an event would be used to smear all the thousands of people who attended.
Is Breitbart throwing their reporter under the bus? Oooo, color me surprised.
"Please make it stop" says my 86 year mother.......
Regardless of the outcome of this specific situation, these Trump rallies are becoming more and more hostile places as time goes on. There are just too many passionate Trump lovers packed close in with passionate Trump haters for there not to be violence at some point. I don't see this ending well.
""Please make it stop" says my 86 year mother......."
It won't. This will get worse and worse.
Everyone is desperate, and will get more desperate.
Seems to me the security guard might want to add his evidence to the story.
Who knew that so many of the Ballroom Dance Class steps would be necessary to follow a professional reporter.
Fields gets low grades for her slow moves on trump's right. The Terrible Campaign Manager guy wins the trophy for his smooth moves on Trump's other side.
Sirhan Sirhan still holds the Guinness World record for best moves to intercept a candidate walking through a hallway or kitchen to an exit after a political event.
Amanda: "Is Breitbart throwing their reporter under the bus? Oooo, color me surprised."
Narrative beginning to fail...must..change..focus of discussion....
Sorry Drago, if you're getting confused. Most folks here can follow with no problems.
Check out Drudge's Banner Headline about Cruz right now.
Exactly right, Drago. Seems like only yesterday when the two most unhinged people here were touting this story as proof of everything bad about Trump -- and this did this with glee and with little evidence -- and were even calling for Lewandowski to be fired. Hilarious!
Henry is on the right track. I'd like to hear the security person's side of the story. Was it a SS person or a privately paid security person? They identify him as a "security official". If the person was a hired security person, I'd wonder if there wasn't a possibility he was being paid off to say he did it, not Lewandowsky.
Bob Boyd,
Yikes, how dare Drudge question the faith of Ted Cruz?! Of course I'm being sarcastic. I find it very odd, but that is my opinion. What disturbs me more is that a tenet of the Dominionist religion is that God's law trumps secular law. Since we are not yet a theocracy, that could be problematic. I don't see Cruz veering from his religious principles.
Amanda: "If the person was a hired security person, I'd wonder if there wasn't a possibility he was being paid off to say he did it, not Lewandowsky.
So, now that the narrative continues it's collapse unabated, we have Amanda "helpfully" offering multiple conspiracy theories in the same thread in an somewhat amusing attempt to shift the conversation to a coverup!!
Payoffs! Employer pressure to alter stories! Cats and Dogs living together! Typical Hitlerian tactics!
I don't think "unhinged" begins to cover it.
Drago, I'm sorry that you are so narrow minded that you can't fathom this as a possibility. You must be very sheltered, dearie, such things do happen in the real world.
""Please make it stop" says my 86 year mother......."
The fact that Trump even exists is just so insensitive to old mothers everywhere and the media, oh, the poor media.
I miss garage.
When I was 9, in 1968, my mom took me to a Nixon rally. In early September. In North Carolina. At 1pm. It was about 110F in the mall parking lot where we waited for 3 hours for Nixon to arrive, but I had a prime spot at the front of the ropeline where the Secret Service agents told us Nixon would be shaking hands. So I persevered. I was about to shake the hand of the next president.
Nixon finally arrived, exited his car, and walked directly toward me. I reached out my hand to shake his, and... he reached over my head to shake the hand of an eligible voter behind me, instead of silly 9 year old me. My head ended up under Nixon's suit jacket, jammed into his very sweaty armpit. He moved on, oblivious to the outrage he had perpetrated upon me. I was no longer a Nixon supporter.
I remember the day he resigned, and how glad I felt about his ignominy. The rat f**king, lying presidential bastard.
May the Trump supporters never know the anger, the hatred, the disdain I have for Nixon. And may they never shove a protester by accident.
Amanda: "Drago, I'm sorry that you are so narrow minded that you can't fathom this as a possibility."
Oh, so now it's all about "possibilities".
Well, it didn't take long for video/audio evidence to begin taking a back seat to "possibilities".
Apparently, in addition to attacking the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 14th amendment rights of fellow citizens the lefties are running pell mell into putting more emphasis on mere speculation that that which is verifiable to some extent via physical evidence.
We are only moments away from Amanda launching into a "thought/hate crime" riff.
I'll get some popcorn!
Why didn't the security personal simply yell "can I get me some muscle over here" like all decidedly non-fascists might do?
AReasonableMan: "I miss garage."
What do you most miss about garage? His inability to comprehend the actual substance of articles vs headlines which led him to, time and time again, post links which he believed buttressed his inane points but instead undermined his position?
You have to admit, after awhile, that type of dysfunction endeared him to us. In the same way you might find it adorable when you watch a puppy run 'round and 'round trying to catch it's tail.
Amanda said... [hush][hide comment]
Henry is on the right track. I'd like to hear the security person's side of the story. Was it a SS person or a privately paid security person? They identify him as a "security official". If the person was a hired security person, I'd wonder if there wasn't a possibility he was being paid off to say he did it, not Lewandowsky.
I wonder, Mandy, if it might be even worse? Security guards wife and children threatened by Trumps gangster connections? What is you're opinion?
Alinsky tactics by the left and right not working anymore. Trump attracts excellent enemies. Not a fan of Trump but when you have MSNBC, CNN, Fox News and The Glenn Beck Network all trying to take you out, you are doing something right.
AReasonableMan said...
I miss garage.
Me too. He always made me feel smart.
Of course, Mandy is still here....
More articulate, but just as fun.
And, she makes a hella sandwitch!
@Bob Boyd, heard elsewhere that the dad is a nutcase.
Full Moon,
Sorry, I didn't make you a sandwich, instead I baked you a pie.
Here is the picture of the campaign manager grabber her arm taken from a cspan camera shot - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdSYSVZVAAAC-Zn.jpg
What ever happened to no harm no foul. Clearly women aren't ready for combat roles.
There are photos showing Lewandosky on the other side of Trump and a somewhat similar looking man identified as a "security guard" where he could have reached the reporter's arm.
It does look like a case of mistaken identity.
Perhaps Amanda finds it easy to believe that someone was "paid off" to cover up crimes at a Trump rally because she's paid to post her comments here: it would explain a lot.
Here is the picture of the campaign manager grabber her arm taken from a cspan camera shot
I don't understand the picture.
Mike Sylwester: "I don't understand the picture."
I think you may have stumbled onto the reason for why some might want to use it.
Hagar: "It does look like a case of mistaken identity."
I don't believe there is anything "mistaken" about it.
I miss garage.
You could talk fishing with Garage. Don't know what else Amanda has to offer that's not all-TEAM-BLUE-all-the-time.
Amanda means never having to say you're sorry.
(Even though she is, in Southern speak.)
Lewandowsky reaching for Michelle Fields
Deny, deny, deny is harder to do nowadays with with so many people videoing everything. What would be Michelle Field's purpose in lying about this? She works for Breitbart for pity sake.
Team Blue? I've said I would've voted for Kasich over Hillary if he had gotten the nomination. Last I noticed Kasich is a Republican.
1. The incident happened. About that, there seems to be no doubt. There's a split, with Donald Trump recklessly claiming that Michelle Fields may have made it up; and with his spokeslady acknowledging that it did happen in a conversation with the press.
2. It may be a case of mistaken identity. If so, the "mistaker" is Washington Post reporter Ben Terris. As a reporter, WaPo-grade, who knows both Fields and Lewandowski on a first-name basis, standing within a couple steps from both, Ben Terris is an unlikely mistaker. And, as of a few hours ago, Ben Terris is not backing down:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/03/11/washington-post-reporter-rebuts-breitbart-story-about-possible-mistaken-identity-in-michelle-fields-incident/
3. From the perspective of Michelle Fields, having reported the incident as she experienced it, and having relied on the statement of Ben Terris as to who the perpetrator was, she has done and said nothing wrong.
4. On the Trump campaign side of things there is all of this: first is Trump's statement that Michelle Fields may be making it all up. That is clearly wrong. Then there was the Twitter attack by a large handful of Trump goons and supporters, all attacking Michelle Fields personally. If anybody wants to debate those, let's get it on. They were bogus, untrue assertions against Michelle. What we learned from them basically was that Trump's vicious counterattack mechanism is locked and loaded at all times.
5. The very best case scenario for Trump will be -- and we do not know if this is true -- that the other guy in the video(s) was a Secret Service agent whose rough treatment of Michelle Fields was legally protected. And, of course, that Corey Lewandowski is innocent. I hope that's not the case, but it might be. If Ben Terris sticks to his story, and is vindicated, it will be a very, very bad day for Trump, his campaign and Lewandowski.
For anyone interested, Breitbart's been posting more and more versions of the incident. Somehow in that panopticon, there are no photos or video of someone touching the reporter.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/11/trump-presser-ben-terris-misidentified/
The in the CSPAN sequence,it looks like there would be plenty of mobile phone photos from the opposite angle which could show the actual contact. The tiny image that MPH posted is there as a larger image, and there's no way at 0:08 of the video that he could have grabbed her.
Amanda said...
Lewandowsky reaching for Michelle Fields...
No. The video shows him reaching toward her. Maybe he is reaching for her. Maybe he is pointing her out to the security person because he is concerned about her.
I expect we will get definitive video at some point. We don't have it yet.
Unless this is a big hoax, it seems established that Corey Lewandowski did it, and there is a cover-up in place because Breitbart.com, the organization that Michelle Fields works for (she was substituting for someone else that day) is behind Trump.
There is both a picture of the bruise and some audio of the incident, in which she said, live, taht she thought it was Corey Lewandowski who had done that.
Corey Lewandowski said on twitter that she was totally delusional. An innocent person would more probably have said that it wasn't him, but some other person was the bad guy and he apolofgized for the campaign.
Patterico has been writing a lot about this. This is his latest:
http://patterico.com/2016/03/11/trump-campaign-manager-denies-assault-calls-victim-delusional-even-as-evidence-against-him-mounts/
Politico has the audio
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589
The link is to a Google cache, because Patterico, on principle, will not link to Politico because of soemthing that happened two or three years ago..
The transcript goes:
(Terris is Washington Post reporter Ben Terris)
Fields: “Mr. Trump, you went after the late Scalia for affirmative action, do you -- are you still against affirmative action?"
Voice (allegedly Corey Lewandowski): “Excuse me, thank you.”
A few moments later (noise of the room can be heard)...
Terris: “You OK?"
Fields: “Holy sh*t."
Terris: “Yea he just threw you down."
Fields: “I can’t believe he just did that that was so hard. Was that Corey?"
Terris: “Yeah, like, what threat were you?"
Fields: "That was insane. You should have felt how hard he grabbed me. That's insane. I’ve never had anyone do that to me from a campaign."
Terris: “Can I put that in my story?"
Fields: “Yeah, go for it — that was really awful. That’s so unprofessional.”
Terris: “He really just almost threw you down on the ground."
Fields: “He literally went like this and was grabbing me down. "I don’t even want to do what he just did to me. Oh my God, that really spooked me that someone would do that."
Terris: “What threat were you?"
Fields: “Nothing. I was asking about affirmative action."
Terris: “And he probably knows you, right?"
Fields: “Yeah, I don’t understand. That looks horrible. You’re going after a Breitbart reporter, the people who are nicest to you?"
Terris: “I know, I’m going to put it in my story."
The two stop talking. Din/noise of people talking, glasses clinking continue through end of the recording.
I don't understand the fuss, but I'm not a woman. Soap opera matters to them.
Amanda said...
What disturbs me more is that a tenet of the Dominionist religion is that God's law trumps secular law.
The Dominionists are coming! The Dominionists are coming!
Next week it'll be the Illuminati.
If Ben Terris sticks to his story, and is vindicated, it will be a very, very bad day for Trump, his campaign and Lewandowski.
The vast majority of people don't care about this at all. It's almost the definition of a "non story." Now that the weekend is here, this will go down the memory hole.
Grabbing someone's arm will not be the incident that prevents Trump from winning the nomination and then the presidency.
In my opinion, this would be a bad time for the Trump campaign to suddenly start bending to media demands. Let's assume that his campaign manager did it. Trump could say, "He did it and I don't care." Folks who won't vote for him will continue to not vote for him. The folks who will vote for him, will vote for him.
Regardless of how this turns out, it won't be changing anyone's mind about the candidates.
Another take on the Fields incident:
http://gotnews.com/were-calling-bullshit-on-michelle-fields/
It's bad shen a secret service agent treats an honorable and upstanding newsbabe like one of his prostitutes.
Amanda said... [hush][hide comment]
Full Moon,
Sorry, I didn't make you a sandwich, instead I baked you a pie.
That link is to the scene where the black lady made a pie incorporating her fecal matter? Didn't see the movie, or watch the vid. Have heard of it though.
Did she squat over the pie and contribute a solid turd. or was it more of a "stream of conscious" sort of delivery? Or, did she "take care of business" in a normal fashion, then fish the floater out with a fork? Was it corny?
Now, stop with the joke, get me a cold beer, sit you're pretty little ass down, and pull off my boots. !
xoxo
Donald Trump was not objecting to the question. Corey Lewandowski took it upon himself to interrupt the question.
My question is:
Do you think Corey Lewandowski is going to fire Donald Trump???
Corey Lewandowski is also the guy who, during the Thursday, March 3, 2016 Republican debate, went on statge during a commercial and started speaking to Trump or something, s against the debate rules for the candidate to connsult anyone, and then wouldn't walk off the stage when asked to by Fox so that Fox News decided
that the fair thing to do was to let aides of the other candidates also talk to them.
It was suspected by some be Corey Lewandowski gave Donald Trump some
kind of a fax saying that Trump University had a A rating from the
Better Business Bureau before it shut down for good in 2015. (The D
minus rating comes from 2010)
Donald trmp has to be careful how he haqndles this, or Corey Lewandowski will fire him.
mikee said...
When I was 9,...
That is so effing funny. Thanks for sharing...
Y'know consulting an attorney beforehand could've averted the situation.
Looked at the Mediate vid. Seems the guy was doing minor crowd control, does not show him touching her..if he did grab her arm, he and Trump should apologize. Simple. Also, there was a mini stampede of photographers rushing past her position. None offered assistance. Animals !
Fabi; this story is moving so fast, most of those boneheaded questions from Charles C. Johnson have already been answered. Others are just stupid questions. The story has basically lapped Chuck Johnson.
Here's Charles C. "Chuck" (Absolutely no freaking relation) Johnson:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/charles/2015/07/13/LGF1391.jpg
Oh, and there's this:
http://chuckcjohnson.info/
There are two people who might have grabbed her arm very hard, hard enough to leave bruises, and pulled her down.
One of them is a consultant by trade who manages campaigns.
The other one is paid to provide security and is probably physically imposing.
Hmm... Most o the people on this board both have an axe to grind and have no understanding of how this would actually happen. The average person is not going to leave bruises by grip alone. I don't think Lewandowski is a gym rat.
The person paid to provide security was closer to her and had an actual job to do. Lewandowski would have had to push past that person, grab her and throw her to the ground and move back.
I think people are trying way too hard.
@Chuck: Little Green Footballs is a product of Charles F. Johnson, not Charles C. Johnson. If you ever see me link something from LGF you'll know I've been taken over by pod people. lol
It is possible Corey did the speaking - and someone else did the grabbing - but he certainly saw what happened. Immediately after Michelle Fields and Ben Terris) seemed to think there was only one person.
Fabi:
Yeah that's what is hosting that picture (LGF); but the picture is in fact Charles C. Johnson, your fave blogger.
Charges have been filed. People are quitting at Breitbart because they do not feel Breitbart management is protecting Breitbart employees.
Anybody who thinks those bruises were not real, please self-identify.
The person paid to provide security was closer to her and had an actual job to do. Lewandowski would have had to push past that person, grab her and throw her to the ground and move back...
I noted that; and then I recalled that it's Corey Lewandowski's voice saying "Excuse me" as the grab apparently occurs on the audio recording.
These days it's not candidates who fire campaign staff but campaign staff who fire candidates. Ben Carson's staff fired him the day of the Iowa caucuses but he refused to go, and stayed for another four weeks. Chris Christie's staff fired him the day after the New Hampshire primary and told him to endorse Trump. Till about a day or two ago, Marco Rubio's staff was trying to fire him.
Donald Trump really does have to worry that Corey Lewandowski could fire him. That's why he is backing him up.
The (Trump = Hitler) New york Daily News told someone's story. A college student came to a trump rally o\ut of curiosity, wa staken for one of 20 protesters, agreed to leave anyway and was slapped by someone associated with the campaign before the end.
Looks like more violence, this time outside of a Trump rally in St. Louis
I'm sure there are instigators on both sides, but how soon until someone gets seriously hurt or killed?
I still can't make out anything in the latest video, but the dialogue with Brian Terris on the scene is very convincing and will be great evidence in court.
Trump needs to quickly apologize, fire the guy and settle up.
Sammy:
Since you brought up the story (recalled accurately on your part) about Lewandowski's production of that BBB "A" rating report at the debate...
We now know, after further digging, that the reason that the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative (the successor name that Trump University went to, after they were told many times to quit using the deceptive title "university" for their non-certified unchartered thing) ever got an "A" rating is because the enterprise was a newly-named entity, and at the time of the report that newly-named entity had no complaints against it. BBB gives grades based on the number and the nature of complaints.
And the reason for zero complaints, which produced the "A" rating, is because Trump University a/k/a Trump Entrepreneur Initiative had no students. No students = no complaints. No complaints = "A" rating.
It seems to me that there are plenty of people upset at Trump for upsetting the apple cart. Or perhaps their own rice bowl. Some of them might be upset enough/deranged enough to try to kill him.
Ditto every other presidential candidate for the past 100 or more years.
If I were one of Trump's (or any other candidate's) close people, and I saw someone moving toward him/her without knowing the intentions, I would probably body slam them.
I can always apologize if the person's actions were innocent. I would much rather do that than have to deal with a dead or injured candidate.
Just like with a cop. If you are going to be around a candidate, be sure everyone can see your hands and move slowly. Do NOT give even a hint of being threatening in anyone else's mind.
I don't know what happened here but even if Lewendowsky did grab her arm, so what? Even if he did throw her to the floor, so what? It does not seem to have been done maliciously.
I trust that Trump has good security. Probably his own team plus the SS as backups. And if I were him, the SS would be backups, not primary. They have fucked up too much and too often in recent years to be trustworthy. They just do not seem competent.
John Henry
Who here would plead guilty in a court of law based on the evidence presented, for example, a photo of an anonymous arm with bruises? Of course that arm belonged to Michelle Fields - because it was included in the presentation. Such association is all the proof one needs.
It's not that it's not at all possible that it happened, only that there is precious little non-narrative evidence being presented in a context where dirty tricks and lying is the universal norm.
Sorry for the confusion, Chuck -- I saw the LGF link and instinctively went into vapor lock. Charles C. Johnson is not my "fave" by any stretch; just putting a little info out there.
What a Trump rally looks like. This is very bad, anyway you look at it.
Here's a helpful hint, Chuck: if you want people to think that you're a "real conservative" and a "true Republican", then you'll never, for any reason, link to LGF. They probably didn't tell you that at Hillary! HQ, but I'm just trying to help you maintain your façade.
Fabi: I had actually forgotten that LGF was indeed (as you say) another Charles Johnson. So you re-learn sumthin' new everyday!
Which might explain how LGF-man is known as "Charles Johnson" and the other wanker is "Chuck Johnson." (Am I right about that? I think so...)
Have a very nice weekend.
Fabi, I stopped reading LGF years ago. I'm not sure why I stopped. Nothing comes to mind. I read it avidly, for a very, very brief time period. Haven't clicked on it in more than five years.
Again, I was looking for the most-wankerish picture I could find, of Chuck Johnson. And there are a LOT of wanky pictures of the guy. I chose an LGF-hosted pic just for the look.
It’s becoming increasingly evident that Corey Lewandowski is innocent of throwing anyone down. The Breitbart reporter indicated she did not know who it was, which I find odd. If someone grabs my arm I’m going to know who the hell it is. The whole narrative is based upon the word of one person: another reporter.
In general reporters do not like Trump. In general reporters love a juicy story. And in general eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable.
As far as I can tell Trump has not hired private security as personal guards since he qualified for Secret Service. Private security would just be in the way. The folks who corral and eject the protestors are local cops. They are in the stands, not guarding Trump. The reporter was likely grabbed and shoved away by the Secret Service. But that would not be a negative for Trump or as juicy a story since the Secret Service is an arm of the Obama administration. Ah, temptation!
I also find it odd that so many cable cameras failed to catch the incident. They all seemed to have managed to miss it entirely – with footage just before, footage just after, worthless footage that shows her going down but we cannot see who grabbed her. How oddly convenient.
Until I see some definitive, clear footage this all adds up for me as total bullshit.
Hey, it's Friday. Let's all lighten up, have an adult beverage of the type that Donald J. Trump sells but never consumes, and enjoy this, from The Daily Show. This one, I could have written:
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/10/11192700/daily-show-trump-steaks
You're welcome!
Amanda: "What a Trump rally looks like. This is very bad, anyway you look at it."
LOL
I advise one and all to go read the Vox article that Amanda linked. It's hilariously devoid of anything factual.
Which is pitch perfect given the conversation on this thread.
"Lifelong republican" Chuck links to a Daily Show clip via Vox.
"lifelong republican".
"lifelong".
Still waiting for one of those patented outraged out-ragey posts by Chuck attacking the dem frontrunner.
Or the dem trailing candidate.
Or any dem.
Or any dem policy.
Hmmmmmmm.
It sounds fishy. If there were a story here, an apology and a response would suffice.
@Chuck: LGF is nuts. He did a great job on the Rather letter but went full-lizard shortly after.
Hope you have a nice weekend, too. Hit 'em long and straight!
There are better times ahead, and better things to remember, like Shenandoah.
I play it better on the piano.
Yep, Drago. I didn't see that Daily Show clip live, because I never watch the show. I like Colbert less and less as time wore on, and I didn't like Trevor Noah from the start. It is a thoroughly left-wing show.
If anybody could catch a lie in any part of a Daily Show segment on a Republican presidential candidate, it would be me.
But every line of that sketch had backing.
Drago; I want you to picture me, inches from your face and jabbing my finger in your chest, asking you, What part of that sketch did they get wrong? Which Trump-branded enterprise did they mischaracterize? Does Donald J. Trump have a leg to stand on, after that colossal dog-and-pony show in Jupiter?
The answers are "nothing," "none," and "nope."
This is a brave new world for me, where the crowd I socialize with, with lots of graduate degrees and lots of left-leaning opinions, is now a strangely comfortable place for me. We're all unified, in Trump-hatred. They wouldn't speak to me, if they knew how I felt about Obergefell or Fisher or NFIB v Sebelius or Windsor or Lawrence or Heller. But they love me, as a knowledgeable Trump-hater. Good times!
Chuck: "Yep, Drago. I didn't see that Daily Show clip live, because I never watch the show. I like Colbert less and less as time wore on, and I didn't like Trevor Noah from the start. It is a thoroughly left-wing show."
Impressive. And almost "convincing".
Chuck: "Drago; I want you to picture me, inches from your face and jabbing my finger in your chest, asking you,...."
LOL
Chuck: "This is a brave new world for me, where the crowd I socialize with, with lots of graduate degrees and lots of left-leaning opinions, is now a strangely comfortable place for me."
This qualifies as Titus-level "trying too hard".
Throttle back ace. You'll be more "convincing".
Presumed innocent until proven guilty.
That said, when providing aid to people, beware of legal liabilities, real and imagined, perceptual ambiguity, and social arguments that can bypass normal channels.
This session of the social justice court is now adjourned.
So, now that we have dispensed with Amanda's "possibilities" and "lifelong republican" chucks daily show clips, what is left?
Not very much I'm afraid.
Drago, straight-up:
What part of the Trump Tuesday shit-show was true? Name one thing that Mitt Romney called out incorrectly. Do it. Sport.
Okay, let me try to understand what's being said in this discussion. A reporter asks a political candidate a question. she was not rude or confrontational. Trump was moving through the crowd answering questions from reporters. Someone grabbed her arm strongly enough to leave a bruise and pulled her away from the candidate and she fell to the ground. Right? I mean, the videos people are showing do show that within a few feet of the candidate, a reporter doing her job was grabbed by someone. And all that seems to matter here is whether it was Trump's campaign manager or a security guard. So someone needs to explain something to me--- why is it okay either way? Why is "oh, never mind, it was really a security guard who grabbed her and injured her and tried to prevent her from peacefully and respectfully doing her job. That's okay" an appropriate response? Why should I NOT be outraged on her behalf? Because she is a reporter, that is, a part of the media? Have we really sunk that low, that we are not suppose to defend the right of people to do their job without being roughed up in the process? Why should I not be concerned that Trump's response is to say "I think she made it up" instead of "I will look into what happened and we will take care of it"?
ella: I have to say; one possibility that you haven't considered is that the "grabber" was a United States Secret Service Agent. So there's that. No vicarious liability for Trump; all sorts of legal discretion in the use of force; immunity from suit; etc.
But if it was Corey Lewandowski -- and the battle lines are getting drawn pretty deep at this point -- then there is a vast amount of Trump Tomfoolery to answer for.
Professor Althouse: I knew this would be a lively topic when I emailed you! ;-)
Who dares to deny a woman's claim to be victim? Oh, Fields is conservative? She was asking for it.
Darn, what a time for my long response to get eaten by the machine. Let me try again and I'll make it shorter this time around:
Yes, Chuck, I recognize it is possible that the person would grabbed the reporter was a secret service agent. I will concede that point. i will also, however, state that, applying occam's razor, I find it highly unlikely that it was. Either the manager or a security person has a different agenda, to varying degrees, than a secret service agent. Why would an agent bruise a reporter? It is the agent's duty to protect the candidate. So the agent would be trained to respond to an incident in which he suspected someone had a weapon (not the case here), was physically menacing the candidate (again, not the case), was verbally abusive and out of control (not the case), or was acting strangely or otherwise presented a security danger (nope). I have neither seen nor heard anything to indicate that anyone witnessed the reporter doing anything that might raise the suspicions of a trained secret service agent.
But let's say that an agent was less than professional and did indeed cause that bruise on the reporter's arm. I would still argue that Mr. Trump should handle it basically the same way I mentioned earlier, which is the exact opposite of how he has actually chosen to handle it. He could easily say, "I will ask the secret service if they were involved and if they had any reason for having done that. And if there was not a good reason for such behavior, I will ask that agent be reassigned away from my detail." He could still insist that his campaign is trying to find out what happened and will work to be sure nothing similar happens in the future. He could, in other words, act like a grown-up, like a person who wants to be the president of the United States. I am not at all surprised that he has not done that. He doesn't have it in him. He is a petty, vulgar, little man and he could not care less about what actually happened to that reporter.
ella - You understand; that I think you are right about all the knowable stuff, and that I hope you are right about all of the unknowable stuff. Very best to you.
St. Louis is a violent city. Like Baltimore and Oakland and New Orleans and Detroit. The protestors are focusing on the wrong people and the wrong problem.
@ellamentary: It should be obvious in this anti-Trump climate that the possibility exists for a reporter to inject herself in the campaign to raise her stature -- Candy Crowley is a perfect example of that behavior.
I don't know if that's the case, and maybe it's exactly as Fields described, but there are a lot of conflicting stories out there and they will eventually play out.
AGAIN:
Charges have been filed. A police investigation is ongoing.
All of you - ALL - should await investigation, as always.
"As far as I can tell Trump has not hired private security as personal guards since he qualified for Secret Service. Private security would just be in the way. "
That's incorrect. At least several of Trump's private security agents are still on the case. The most noticeable one, always hovering around, is probably the guy that threw Jorge Ramos out of the Trump show a number of months ago -- before Trump had Secret Service protection. It's the guy who looks like a character from the Adam's Family who was also responsible for roughing up some peaceful demonstrators outside the Trump NYC building a number of months ago. Following that incident he was described on TV as "head" of Trump's security. Several members of the Trump organization were quoted as saying that he's an all round good fellow, so maybe that incident was an out-of-character lapse. He also, apparently, totes Trump's golf bag from time to time.
We have now reached the "Trump is a fascist racist" stage, the last stage of grief from a rotten establishment household consisting of lefties, righties, and media-ies.
It's ugly now and will only get uglier. It makes me sad.
Anybody remember when Althouse was violently attacked at the state capital? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLANDIK3mJA
Just more reason to distrust the MSM and Trump haters who pretend to be Republicans and Conservatives. Watching TV, left-wing Democrats are disrupting Trump rally. Of course, MSM will report this as Trump's fault.
Listen Trumphobes, every time you lie, smear, and exaggerate, smart people pay less and less attention to you.
"We have now reached the "Trump is a fascist racist" stage,"
You must have a short memory. Romney was smeared as a fascist-racist and so was McCain. Bush II was called "Bushitler".
The only difference is the so-called moderate Republicans are calling trump a racist-fascist. Showing their true colors.
I"m only sorry her arm was yanked. MSM reporters should be beaten daily just on general principle.
Rcocean, I'd like to think you're just joking around, but someone I don't think so. I should just ignore your comment, but instead I will point out that this reporter works for Briebart, hardly MSM. Briebart often veers into cheerleading for Mr. Trump. Keep up. (Oh, and I don't pretend to be anything. One can indeed be a republican and a trump-hater. We don't all fall for any vulgarian who decides to join the party when he needs a platform from which to run.)
Chuck, yeah, I know you and I often think very much alike. Just covering all the bases. And I agree that it is very likely that Corey should have a great deal for which to answer. But like his boss, he will not be damaged by this incident, only more admired by those who follow his boss so fervently.
I am tempted to post the "this business will get out of hand" clip from The Hunt for Red October but it makes me think about what a good President Fred Thompson would have been and that makes me sad.
I like the precedent of filing charges. Unrelated, but I dislike the general precedent of the Left protestors disrupting every Trump event. If Trump gets bad press out of it I don't know why the Right wouldn't adopt the same tactic (other than that the Media would never allow those types of incidents to harm a Dem).
"The only difference is the so-called moderate Republicans are calling trump a racist-fascist. Showing their true colors. "
People who call Dumb Dumb a racist or fascist are mistaken. Trump is not sufficiently principled to be either a racist or fascist.
And all that seems to matter here is whether it was Trump's campaign manager or a security guard. So someone needs to explain something to me--- why is it okay either way?
To point out the obvious: It’s not OK either way.
If it’s Secret Service that did the grabbing Trump is not at fault since Trump does not dictate Secret Service behavior. The Secret Service is an arm of the Obama administration. Obama’s supposed to be responsible for them, not Trump. But that would not have been a juicy story.
We have no way of knowing the Secret Service’s side of the story since they do not publicly comment about security procedures. For all we know the SS received intelligence that there might be an assassination attempt.
If it was private security then presumably Trump hired them and would be somewhat at fault. But it wasn’t. Trump has had Secret Service protection for weeks now.
I have neither seen nor heard anything to indicate that anyone witnessed the reporter doing anything that might raise the suspicions of a trained secret service agent.
The reporter was trying to slow and impede the progress of a presidential candidate trying to leave so she could ask a question and part of the Secret Service’s job is clear the escape lane. The more crowded a situation is the easier the assassination. The Secret Service is trained to be suspicious of everyone.
And if there was not a good reason for such behavior, I will ask that agent be reassigned away from my detail.
If I were Trump I would not be too eager to cause a reprimand to one of a tightly-knit group of men in charge of protecting me. Maybe next time they won’t grab the arm and Trump gets shot.
At least several of Trump's private security agents are still on the case.
And the commentor knows this … how? Is he intimately familiar with the identity and duties of Trump’s close associates? I think not.
The most noticeable one, always hovering around, is probably the guy that threw Jorge Ramos out of the Trump show a number of months ago -- before Trump had Secret Service protection.
And that “probably the guy that threw Jorge Ramos out … ” is weak. I’m not much impressed with stuff people “probably” know. Speaking of the Jorge Ramos incident. When I saw that tape of Ramos being put out was when I became a Trump supporter. Witnessing a public figure finally stand up to an asshole like that was deeply satisfying.
The reporters herded out of Clinton's way with a rope Forget it
The refusal of Clinton and Obama to meet with reporters Forget it
The stacking of the decks for questioning at White House press conferences Forget about it.
Reporters ignoring Hillary's exposure of national secrets. Forget about it.
In a huge scrum a reporter gets jerked out of the way by a Trump guy and this is witnessed by a WaPo guy. He sees a story right away and he's right. Ohh fascism, talk, talk, worry, worry, develop Fascist theme. As if WaPo reporters cared what happens unless it helps some narrative they have. What about the guy who spent a year in jail because of Hillary's lies about Benghazi? What about the Mexicans shot due to the Fast and Furious debacle? What about the people dying early in coal country because of Obama jamming through the fall of the coal industry? I thought we were trying to save lives. But the EPA regulations are killing people. Does the WaPo care? not about these people. "Coal country is suffering? they have no jobs? why then do they not just go on welfare? I'm busy covering a story that makes Trump look bad, I'm not going to challenge Democrats just because they are screwing miners."
" Unrelated, but I dislike the general precedent of the Left protestors disrupting every Trump event."
I'm not real sure. Perhaps the Trump Suckers reaction to the protesters will enlighten some people. Probably not, but one can always hope.
I've not been to a Trump rally and don't intend to ever attend one. But, back in 1968 I did attend a George Wallace event in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. I don't have real clear memories of it other than that Wallace was pretty light on his feet when dodging fruits and vegetables. He was probably more nimble than Trump would be. Of course, in later years, after his kicking-hippies-asses days were brought to an unceremonious end, Wallace was not nearly as nimble.
In Chicago they are having a nice riot right now to stop a Trump rally - and the "protestors succeeded. Trump canceled his speech.
Fox is covering it live, but this certainly will be all over the news at 10.
I predict Trump will one day leave this country in shame. He will be so hated and reviled it wouldn't be a nice place for him to live anymore. Live by the sword, die by the sword. What I mean by that is from day one he spewed hate and division, now his seeds of divisivness are sprouting weeds, which are growing out of control. One day soon when someone wants to describe a very evil person, one will say you're a Trump.
Anyone still think Trump will get any significant amount of black votes? Hispanic votes? Women's votes? Muslim votes?
Let's all stipulate; protestors have no right whatsoever to interfere with a rally. They've no right to shout down a meeting in a space that Trump has rented. These are all facts. These facts are clear. There is a rule of law; to say otherwise is ludicrous.
But of course, as Scott Adams has pointed out, the Trump campaign isn't about facts or legal analysis.
It's all about emotion. Right, Scott Adams? Pure emotion.
Amanda said...
"One day soon when someone wants to describe a very evil person, one will say you're a Trump."
Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy and the Son of Sam all thank you for this perspective.
Gary Leon Ridgway, too.
Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono.
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer.
Richard Allen Davis.
Ed Kemper.
Albert DeSalvo.
and
Huma Abedin.
It is easier to be Not Evil if Girls won't wear Thigh-High Stockings.
I am laslo.
Show of hands; who is old enough to remember the Chicago Democratic Convention of 1968? Who finds tonight reminiscent of that week? (On a far, far smaller scale.)
I'll bet Professor Althouse can remember. I'll bet Meade remembers pretty well. I was young -- 12 -- but I remember it all quite well.
Remember the First Amendment is exercised in the form of protest also. It's a form of speech our Constitution allows. When Trump encourages violence toward his protestors, he has violated their free speech, just as they violate his when they disrupt his speech endlessly.
Trump brought this about, no one should be surprised.
Chuck: "Let's all stipulate; protestors have no right whatsoever to interfere with a rally. They've no right to shout down a meeting in a space that Trump has rented. These are all facts. These facts are clear. There is a rule of law; to say otherwise is ludicrous.
But...."
LOL
Amanda said...
"Trump brought this about, no one should be surprised."
People in crowds are primal. That is why Hillary keeps them away.
Men aren't surprised; Women usually are.
Don't get me wrong: I like Slumber Parties.
And Pillow Fights.
I am Laslo.
I especially love pillow fights between petite Japanese Girls in short skirts and Thigh-High Stockings.
And to think their ancestors almost won WW2.
I am Laslo.
People criticizing Trump need to remember the passionate, sometimes violent, Mitt Romney rallies that rocked the nation.
Plenty of whining weenies out there. We'll hear from all of them.
Amanda: "One day soon when someone wants to describe a very evil person, one will say you're a Trump."
LOL
I guess we can forget about describing the thousands of islamists hacking off heads, sexually enslaving children, committing genocide, mass sexual assaults etc as "evil".
'cuz that my friends, is simply islamophobia. Straight up.
Japanese Girls know the right amount of milk to put in the Tea.
That is a metaphor.
I am Laslo.
Of course this happened in Chicago. The most corrupt, violent, city in the USA. A town run by Democrat thugs for almost 100 years. The damn place has never been part of America.
since we are entering the "1968 zone":
Senator Bobby - Sock It To Me Baby [1968]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgzOMoZpRjM
Amanda: "Trump brought this about, no one should be surprised."
This from the crowd that literally feinted when Rick Lazio tried to hand a piece of paper to Hillary onstage during a debate.
I watched the slow motion version of the Zapruder film of the Trump assault here. My prediction, no conviction.
Chuck: "Show of hands; who is old enough to remember the Chicago Democratic Convention of 1968? Who finds tonight reminiscent of that week?"
Leftists.
Like you.
"I will point out that this reporter works for Briebart, hardly MSM"
Anybody reporter who files a criminal complaint because their arm was bruised is a MSM reporter in my book.
AReasonableMan: "I watched the slow motion version of the Zapruder film of the Trump assault here. My prediction, no conviction."
We'll be hearing about the "magic forearm" soon from the Amanda/chuck quarter.
Why is the left doing this? Easy, because their are X% of Americans who are fucking idiots. They'll clutch their pearls, and think that Trump and his supporters are somehow "violent" and vote against him.
488 murders in lefty Chicago paradise last year.
But Trump is evil.
Huma pushing a crowd member away.
Memory Lane.
It reminds me of when Huma pushed my head into her lap to suck her cock.
I am Laslo.
Move-on and Bernie's fuckers.. is anybody surprised?
How do you like your revolution, Bernie, you angry old man?
"It reminds me of when Huma pushed my head into her lap to suck her cock."
Don't get me wrong: it was very, very tiny.
Almost like a clitoris.
But her parents had already had that removed.
I am Laslo.
You know, Trump and his supporters need a safe space too. Having reporters and black people around at a white nationalist rally can be very triggering. Perhaps protesters and reporters should give Trump and his supporters a trigger warning before they turn up. It's the right thing to do.
rcocean: remember this?
Da confrontation was not created by da police; da confrontation was created by da people who charged da police. Gentlemen, let's get the thing straight, once and for all. Da policeman isn't dere to create disorder; da policeman is dere to preserve disorder..."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_J._Daley
rcocean said...
Why is the left doing this? Easy, because their are X% of Americans who are fucking idiots. They'll clutch their pearls, and think that Trump and his supporters are somehow "violent" and vote against him.
Yipes, whatever you do, don't substitute "47" as your X-variable. Because Donald Trump told us how stupid that was.
Trump supporters interviewed on TV, esp. that young guy seemed normal compared to the protesters.
ON NPR's reporting of the incident, the Trump supporters were identified as 'Trump supporters', while their opponents were merely called 'protesters'. No political motivation was ascribed to them at all.
Another reason to defund NPR. Let the Lefties pay for their own damn propaganda.
Chicago is America's future.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: civility reigns.
" Chicago community activist Quo Vadis said hundreds of protesters had positioned themselves in groups around the arena, and that they intend to demonstrate right after Trump takes the stage. Their goal, he said, is "for Donald to take the stage and to completely interrupt him. The plan is to shut Donald Trump all the way down."
Isn't it terrible how Trump made these people behave uncontrollably? Leftist are never responsible for their actions.
Pm317,
How "normal" will Trump appear when he debates Hillary Clinton? Will you still carry his water when he focuses his unique brand of vileness toward her? You're a Clinton supporter, how will you reconcile your Trump infatuation with your Hillary worship? You speak out of both sides of your mouth.
This blog hates Tor. Can't get past the visual captcha. 6 attempts and redirect to the openid login system. Did this 3 times and nothing results. Too difficult to figure out.
I say Bernie, the angry old man is responsible. He is the only one inciting these jobless 18-20 year-olds using the word revolution in his stupid rallies.
CNN and MSNBC are spinning this as (I paraphrase) "of course people behave this way when confronting trump. It is perfectly normal." Of course if a Right group was this out of control at a Clinton or Sanders event it would be all about the terrible racist protesters.
This is where I am about to step off the "I could vote for him" train.
Is this one incident horrific? No. But HIS response is bad. No "I feel bad that something happened at my event". Its "bitch be lying". Even with multiple eyewitnesses, he doesn't even make his flunkie apologize for the misunderstanding.
This is a worrying sign to me. One I'm having difficulty remotely accepting from anybody. Add into this the footage of people being cold cocked at his rallies and the claims of a cult of personality seem way less extreme.
Trump should make an ad showing that angry old man calling for revolution and his minions trying to cause a revolution. Go get a fucking job.
Voter,
Isn't it awful that Trump rally goers can't keep from beating up protestors? Why do they react uncontrollably toward protestors? Are they not responsible for their actions? Sounds like the abusive husband scenario in which he tells his wife she is responsible for her wounds at his hands, she "made" him do it.
Mind you, I'm hardly a Trump haters. But his supporters are freaking me out.
Let it be known, I am no fan of trump and will be voting for Rubio next Tues. But I am much less a fan of this terrible protester behavior justified by the press.
pm317, tell everyone here why you love Hillary. Or are you too cowardly, knowing you'll get blowback?
damikesc, you know who freaks me out? BLM..
Hillary supports BLM, pm 317.
Drago;
Sorry you didn't like my post. But no matter what you say, I am sticking to my conviction that protestors have no right to shout down an indoor political rally on rented premises. The protestors were wrong and were out of line. Law enforcement had the right and the duty to intervene. The Trump rally participants deserved legal protection.
And again, I like clear facts and solid legalisms like that. I liked the clear facts that Trump Steaks, Trump Magazine, Trump Vodka, Trump Airlines and Trump University were all aout of business. I liked the clear legalism that the U.S. Armed forces didn't target families of illegal enemy combatants. I liked the legalism that the U.S. didn't pose religious tests for entry into the country, in the 21st century.
But Scott Adams corrected me:
Last year I teased you in this blog by saying Trump would change more than politics and more than the Republican party. Trump will change how you view human beings in general. His complete disregard for facts is irrelevant to the outcome of the race because he knows humans don’t use facts to make decisions. They use emotion.
Only one candidate in the race understands how reality works, and he’s teaching us as he goes. All I’m doing is documenting it. Check out my book for more detailed discussions of what I call our Moist Robot nature.
BLM, only if a white cop kills them, no matter the circumstances. Gangbangers can slaughter at will and hardly a peep. Snitches get stitches, you know.
I think Cruz is a magnificent nominee for President. If there were multiple instances of violence in a lot of his rallies, I'd expect him to get some control of the situation. Get better people at the door at the very least.
Hillary "loves" BLM. Because if she doesn't, she loses some of the black vote and Bernie rolls her in the primaries.
Should Dems be worried that Hillary does best where she will not win in a general?
"Hillary "loves" BLM. Because if she doesn't, she loses some of the black vote and Bernie rolls her in the primaries."
Yes Sane Voter, that is true. Sanders is the sanest person running for President.
The shutdown of Trump's rally in Chicago was not a spontaneous uprising. It was a highly planned and coordinated terrorist attack paid for and planned by Hillary Clinton for President.
The latest GOP insider meme is that since Trump is continuously inciting violence at his campaign Rallies, he will have to be thrown out of the Party so he will learn who is in charge. The violence is Mexican immigrants lead by George Soros funded Revolution street thugs.
It seems to be official now that the cheap labor of Mexican migrants and any others immigrant wage slaves is favored by the GOP insiders over all worthless middleclass Americans.
You know, many of you have a good point, that Hillary Clinton and her campaign would do almost anything to court BLM leaders.
But both Sanders and Clinton have had speeches interrupted by BLM. I don't know what to think.
BLM tried to shut down the Mayor (Mike Duggan-D) of Detroit's State of the City Speech two weeks ago.
Chuck, glad to see someone else is still interested in fact-based reality and that someone else remembers, even though young at the time, the craziness of Chicago 1968.
So I'm not the only person deeply disappointed in Scott Adams? Glad he can find it all so drolly entertaining. Glad he "gets" Mr. Trump and can explain his appeal. I prefer Mr. Adams stick to explaining Dilbert to me. That particular form of entertainment doesn't endanger my country.
Let us see if the angry old man calls for a revolution in his next rally. All this is starting to look like third world.
while their opponents were merely called 'protesters'.
All part of the left-wing MSM brainwashing that's been going on for years. Leftists and liberals are rarely identified in the MSM. They're 'activists' or 'protesters' or 'advocates'. Or just label-less senators and congressman. Y'know normal people like you or me.
Meanwhile everyone on the right is constantly labeled as "right wing" "conservative" etc.
Is anyone else scared about Trump? I feel that its just like Hitler. violence in the streets. Populism. Patriotism. Opposition to open borders and billion dollar trade deficits. Pushing bottled water and steaks.
I even hear Trump is growing a mustache. And this is the scary part: he's a teetotaler.
You know who else had a blond girlfriend? Yep.
Trump lied about Chicago police and university police. Trump said on Hannity that they strongly recommended he cancel the rally. Chicago police and campus police deny that they even spoke to Trump and didn't recommend the event be cancelled. What a lying sack of shit trump is.
Didnt I say thing were going to get worse?
This is just the start. The big stuff hasn't happened yet.
Street fighting like this will seem tame by October.
Too much is pent-up and waiting for release.
This really isn't about Trump, or rather Trump is merely a symptom.
This is going to be a very disturbing year.
Apparently a group called "People for Bernie" is responsible for the Chicago riot.
@buwaya puti.. agree this is going to be a very disturbing year; that angry old man says it in his rallies, revolution, he wants a revolution, the little socialist wants a revolution like all those other third world countries. It is not all Trump and his supporters. Maybe the GoP establishment is celebrating today. Can they resurrect their pet, Rubio?
Clinton says all we need is love, y'all.
It's not even about Sanders.
Too many conflicts have been suppressed or put off, too many contradictions have accumulated, palliated instead of resolved.
We haven't gotten to economic matters yet, which are also in that state.
As for the international situation - wars and rumors of war, all over. A great number of countries are arming as fast as they can. Or as fast as they think they can. This will speed up.
Amanda said...
Trump lied about Chicago police and university police. Trump said on Hannity that they strongly recommended he cancel the rally. Chicago police and campus police deny that they even spoke to Trump and didn't recommend the event be cancelled. What a lying sack of shit trump is.
I didn't see Hannity. (Bet you don't watch him either.) But in the two interviews I listened to (Greta and Chris Mathews) Trump made it clear that the decision to cancel the event was his decision, not a police decision.
For me it is about Sanders. He has no plans, no working and realistic policies and no path to really getting to run the country, and he is inciting impressionable young people into a revolution in his rallies. Let them go storm the wall Street. No, of course not, that would be difficult. So they go and find easy preys in Trump rallies. And, of course BLM showed them how to do it. The Media (and Cruz) tells them Trump's supporters are hillbillies and low information voters. Media and the lefty fuckers think that these poor schmucks deserve every bit of the scorn coming there way.
The Trump haters Standard Attack No. 42:
1) Misstate what trump said.
2) Attack trump for Misstatement
3) When called on misstatement, claim its "fake but accurate"
Rinse and repeat. Daily.
Any idea who is behind BLM? Who runs the organization? Who pays the bills? This is a group that demands racial privilege for their group and has no use for democracy. You'd think the press would be interested in a group like that.
Chuck: "Show of hands; who is old enough to remember the Chicago Democratic Convention of 1968? Who finds tonight reminiscent of that week?"
Chuck, Chicago 1968 was a couple of orders of magnitude worse than what happened tonight. You are confusing television clips with reality.
Most of the people who identify Trump and his supporters with fascism are confusing television clips with reality.
No David, Trump stated emphatically that he spoke with Chicago police and on their recommendation he cancel the event. I saw the interview with Chris Matthews and one on CNN, he said that the Chicago police recommended he cancel. Chicago police say they never spoke with him and made no such recommendation.
@Terry, it is a Soros outfit. You would think after 8 years of Obama, at least a good number of these people would have jobs that they should be at. No. They get their moneys from Soros. Nice way to live.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-cancels-rally-overwhelmed-by-protesters/
"Mr. Trump just arrived in Chicago, and after meeting law enforcement, has determined that for the safety of all the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena tonight's rally will be postponed until another date," the man said from a podium. "Thank you very much for your attendance, and please go in peace."
However, a Chicago police spokesperson told CBS News there were no meetings between police and the Trump campaign about security.
CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told the Associated Press that police never told the Trump campaign there was a security threat at the venue. He said the department had sufficient manpower on the scene to handle any situation.
Guglielmi said the university's police department also did not recommend that Trump call off the event. The decision was made "independently" by the campaign, according to Guglielmi.
Cruz said blame for the unrest Friday rests with the protesters but "in any campaign responsibility starts at the top."
He added, "When the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face, the predictable consequence of that is that is escalates. Today is unlikely to be the last such incidence.""
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-george-soros-218494
"George Soros in December donated $6 million to the leading super PAC supporting Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, marking the return of the billionaire financier as among the biggest givers in all of American politics.
The massive check brings to $8 million the Hungarian-born investor's total 2015 giving to pro-Clinton groups."
Pm317, perhaps you are unaware that George Soros backs your hero Hillary Clinton. Speaking out of both sides of your mouth again.
Show of hands; who is old enough to remember the Chicago Democratic Convention of 1968?
I am.
And I also remember that Nixon won the election.
Watching attempts to get on camera comments from the protesters. What a bunch of imbeciles.
This one isn't Chicago 1968.
It's still early though.
What will it be next month?
What will the conventions be?
And that certainly doesn't cover all possible events.
I liked what Rubio said on Kevyn Kelly. Cruz not so much. He is trying to make hay.
* megyn
If a bruise on the arm is enough to create a political firestorm and lead to claims of "brutality", the USA has become PUSSIFIED beyond belief.
If arms-eschewing moveon.org trustafarians don't yet understand the "correlation of forces" concept their Soviet mentors used to push: their opponents in the US have ALL the weapons they need to blow unarmed totalitarians like themselves to bloody gore and tissue.
So if push comes to shove, and shove comes to shoot, only one side will be armed to do the shooting.
No David, Trump stated emphatically that he spoke with Chicago police and on their recommendation he cancel the event. I saw the interview with Chris Matthews and one on CNN, he said that the Chicago police recommended he cancel. Chicago police say they never spoke with him and made no such recommendation.
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Yeah. The Chicago police just sat there with their thumbs up their asses.
Sure.
Riiiiiiiiight.
Amanda said...
Trump lied about Chicago police and university police. Trump said on Hannity that they strongly recommended he cancel the rally. Chicago police and campus police deny that they even spoke to Trump and didn't recommend the event be cancelled. What a lying sack of shit trump is.
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If what you say were true, the Chicago police just committed an act of full-frontal incompetence, because they FAILED to anticipate the violence that occurred.
Just THINK (if you are capable of rubbing two working neurons together), how much worse things could have been if Trump had gone on with his rally.
You're a dull tool. In a drawer of kitchen knives, you would be the clam knife.
To get to the Defcon 4 level of Lefty hysteria, you need something that they can compare to the Reichstag fire. Amanda will back me up on this.
Reichstag fire is coming up.
Inevitable at this rate.
There’s an interesting video at YouTube. The “eyewitness,” Ben Terris, is a Washington Post reporter. It turns out that a Washington Post photographer was present and was shooting images right when the incident occurred. But get this: When contacted by the YouTube-er the photographer, Jabin Botsford, at first denied being at the event. When confronted with the fact of the attribution of his photograph at the event Botsford hurriedly deleted the denial tweet. But the YouTube-er took the sensible precaution of taking screenshots of the tweet by Botsford denying he was present at the event. Readers, watch the video and see for yourselves.
http://tinyurl.com/j65n8qm
And below are archived screen shots of the tweets in question.
http://archive.is/Xfnun
http://archive.is/m9FuZ
The alleged incident is looking more and more like bullshit and cover-up.
David said...
Chuck: "Show of hands; who is old enough to remember the Chicago Democratic Convention of 1968? Who finds tonight reminiscent of that week?"
Chuck, Chicago 1968 was a couple of orders of magnitude worse than what happened tonight. You are confusing television clips with reality.
3/11/16, 10:31 PM"
I remember watching the coverage of the police 'riot'. I was rooting for the cops.
Original Mike said...Apparently a group called "People for Bernie" is responsible for the Chicago riot.
Look at the faces of the perps. Do they look like Bernie people? Them people are drowning in soros.
A cursory examination of a few sources indicates that the purpose of these people was not to protest Trump's appearance, it was to shut it down.
That is a brownshirt tactic. It seems that the losers on the left aren't happy with being able to choose their own candidate for president, they want to choose the opposition candidate as well, and they will not take 'no' for an answer.
This 'not taking no for an answer' seems to be the latest tactic of the totalitarian left. You are expected to abide by laws and court decisions that go against you. They openly refuse to abide by the rule of law. It is the worship of power that is the end result of all socialist movements. At some point they realize that what they want you to do is arbitrary. The more important thing is the ability to make you do it.
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