November 2, 2015

"We love the land, but the land doesn’t love us."

Christians in Iraq.
More than a year after IS swept across northern Iraq, capturing the historic heartland of Iraq’s Assyrian Christians and driving out more than 100,000, many of the displaced say they no longer see a future for Christians here. Thousands have already emigrated, and many others are planning or hoping to follow....

30 comments:

MayBee said...

They can ride out of there on their high horses.

tim maguire said...

We are nearing the end of a 1,300 year process.

The Drill SGT said...

Hundreds of thousands left Iraq – their numbers decreased from about 1.5 million before the invasion to less than 500,000 today.

If the Germans had taken these Christians, both sides would have been better off in the long run.

Todd said...

Why do they phrase it like that? It has far less to do with the land [which cares not one way or the other as "land" has no feelings] than with a world wide cult of murderers, woman abusers, child molesters, slave traders, and gay killers [basically pirates] under cover of religion.

n.n said...

This time, it is the Russian Orthodox Church leading a crusade to reclaim land and defend human lives. The Western Pro-choice Cult seems happy to shift the problem and leave the people and a wasteland behind.

Wince said...

Results on the ground are rendering moot the debate over whether Obama is a secret Muslim.

jr565 said...

The land is indifferent. ISIS doesn't love you. But that's why you are supposed to fight them back.

Achilles said...

I suer sure Muslims everywhere are outraged.

Bobby said...

Todd,

"They" didn't phrase it like that. It is (if the CS Monitor is reporting acurately) a quote by one Mrs. Naghm Yousif Abdel Meseeh. She phrased it like that. The Oxford English Dictionary has many definitions for the word "land" the first is indeed "the part of the earth's surface that is not covered by water"- and it's hard to imaginne that definition loving anyone- but a perfectly acceptable alternative choice could be "a country or state," "a particular sphere of activity or group of people," or even "a conceptual area."

You'd probably have to ask her which definition she meant. My guess is it's not the one that you chose.

jr565 said...

This is why Israel needs to exist. Muslims are simply not good at dealing with minority populations. THe fact that Christians are being murdered suggests that in fact there should be a Christian state, like Lebanon that is more open to not murdering Christians.
The world should be open to not just Zionism, but any movement that allows minorities to get out from under Islam's thumb.

rhhardin said...

Our own primitive culture is called the left.

Sebastian said...

Yes, the "land" doesn't love them.

It's a peculiar land, I tell you.

I understand part of the land is now moving to Europe.

The land will love that land, I'm sure.

traditionalguy said...

Apparently the Muslims are becoming aware that while Jews living in Jerusalem are a nuisance, Christians established anywhere inside Muslim lands are a threat to the survival of their cult. The Egyptians have known this for a long time.

Fernandinande said...

Where's Santa Claus when you need him?

YoungHegelian said...

One of the saddest things about the persecution of the ME Christians (aside from, you know, the mass murders) is that even if they emigrate to a first world country (which they've been doing for 150 years in large numbers), their faith only lasts a generation or two at most.

The problem is that their faith in a new land becomes inextricably bound to their ethnic identity, complete with a liturgy often in the mother tongue. The children of the immigrants get dragged to service & learn the mother tongue whether they want to or not. But, as the kids become adults, their ethnic faith blocks their attempts to fully assimilate. If they keep their faith at all, they often move by choice or intermarriage into the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches. When the grandkids arrive, they see themselves as fully American, Australian, French, etc., & can no longer read or speak the mother tongue. In two generations, the immigrant faith is essentially dead.

For someone who has long admired the traditions of the Eastern Rite (i.e. eastern churches in communion with Rome) & the Orthodox Churches, it is truly sad to see them destroyed piece by piece. I'm afraid that in 100 years, Christianity will be dead in the lands of its birth.

damikesc said...

It's not just their land that doesn't love them.

European governments are gung-ho to bring in Muslims from that shithole --- far less so in bringing over Christians.

Because...reasons.

damikesc said...

For someone who has long admired the traditions of the Eastern Rite (i.e. eastern churches in communion with Rome) & the Orthodox Churches, it is truly sad to see them destroyed piece by piece. I'm afraid that in 100 years, Christianity will be dead in the lands of its birth.

Christians are terrified of the idea of a Crusade...but a Judeo-Christian crusade in that dump of the world would be a massive improvement.

lgv said...

They should move to Israel. Win-win

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

And speaking of audio-books from Audible/Amazon, a good one about minority religions in the Middle East is "Heirs to Forgotten Kingdoms" (Gerard Russell). For a very informative and easy listen history of Afghanistan, "Game Without Rules" (Tamim Ansary).

JSD said...

There were lots of Lebanese in Massachusetts where I grew up. They had their own Maronite Church. Great restaurants and bakeries. We mistakenly called them Syrians, but most emigrated from Lebanon to escape Druze massacres in the late 1800’s through 1900’s. Because they were all Catholic, most of us (Irish and Italians) assumed that everybody there must be Catholic. If somebody had an Arabic name, you knew he was Catholic. Muslim was not even a consideration. Unfortunately, Christian exodus from the Middle East has been going on for centuries.

jr565 said...

The funniest thing is that Islam supposedly views the people of the book (Jews and Christians) in higher regard than those infidel religions that have no ties to the book.
and look how they treat Jews and Christians.

The Godfather said...

It's amazing that any Christians have remained for centuries in the lands conquered by the followers of Mohammed. And yet it's Christians who are called imperialists.

Michael K said...

"I'm afraid that in 100 years, Christianity will be dead in the lands of its birth."

There are some who think this century will be one of militant Christianity. The Muslim invasion of Europe may be one factor.

Other countries without an extensive welfare state don’t seem to have Sweden’s problem. Reuters reported that Lithuania “is throwing its doors open to refugees fleeing war and hardship in the Middle East, but is finding few takers.” Rimantas Vaitkus, deputy chancellor of the Lithuanian government, told the news agency: “We are prepared to accept refugees immediately, but there are no refugees in Italy or Greece who agreed to resettle in Lithuania. . . . It seems that refugees know about Sweden, Germany, France, the United Kingdom, which either have generous social security or have been actively attracting immigrants.”

This goes to my argument that the welfare state cannot survive the open borders movement. Soros is now admitting he is behind some of it. Those eastern European countries are more religious than the traditional "western" ones. Russia is experiencing a revival of Orthodox Christianity.

ARM will accuse me of going all fundi but I am just as agnostic as I was before seeing this happening.

I think it will be dead "in the land of its birth" but I think there is a fair chance that everything will be dead here. I'm pretty sure Iran has nuclear weapons and are just trying to humiliate Obama, not dealing that he cannot be humiliated because he is a sociopath.

If they try to follow through on their threats to Israel they will find that Netanyahu does not bluff.

Michael K said...

"dealing" = realizing.

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

Thanks, Mr Bush!

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

For someone who has long admired the traditions of the Eastern Rite (i.e. eastern churches in communion with Rome) & the Orthodox Churches, it is truly sad to see them destroyed piece by piece. I'm afraid that in 100 years, Christianity will be dead in the lands of its birth.

Not in Israel, it won't be.

And driving out Christians has become the newest accomplishment with which the Palestinians can credit themselves.

YoungHegelian said...

R&B,

Not in Israel, it won't be.

Yes, even there. Not because of violence against them, but because the Christians in Israel are all Palestinian Arab, and they are not only discriminated against, they are caught between the Muslim hammer of the greater Middle East's culture & the Jewish anvil of Israel. It seems they really don't belong there anymore.

The other reason the Israeli Christians will leave in the long haul is because, well, they can. There has been so much Arab Christian immigration to the USA, Australia, Canada, etc. over the years that they now have established overseas networks to sponsor them.

BN said...

Didn't somebody write down some prophesy about this somewhere or something?

Still no tag...

Bleach Drinkers Curing Coronavirus Together said...

"Jewish anvil?" You're hilarious. Their numbers have stayed remarkably stable. They have low birth rates and may leave (as do Jewish Israelis - you think they love everything about life there?) But they are not conducting a mass exodus. You are being deliberately hyperbolic and betraying your own words by making a future prediction (always reliable - "will leave") out of a false assertion about the present based on recent trends. No need for all that. It's the Muslims who are doing this, not the Jews whom certain Christians were told for too many centuries to persecute and distrust. I guess old habits are hard to break. If some Christians are leaving (a belief for which you provide no evidence) again, so are some Jews. Taking a stand is hard, but you don't have to tell that to the increasing numbers of Israeli Christians volunteering to join the IDF. Maybe they know the difference between taking a real stand and a metaphorical stand. Kind of similar to seeing the difference between a real danger and a metaphorical danger.

I suspect you're capable of better than this but I think you get a bit blurry when it comes to religious issues.

elcee said...

"Thanks, Mr Bush!"

For the record, explanation of the law and policy, fact basis of the decision for Operation Iraqi Freedom.