November 19, 2015
Break out the champagne! Yesterday's raid did, as intended, get man believed to have led the Paris attacks.
"Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the Belgian militant suspected of orchestrating the Paris terrorist attacks, was killed in a police raid in the northern Paris suburb of St.-Denis early Wednesday, the French authorities announced on Thursday. The confirmation of Mr. Abaaoud’s death followed forensic tests, the Paris prosecutor, François Molins, said in a statement."
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Not as intended, they wanted him alive. Better get some of those fentanyl bombs from the Russkies next time.
I am not a believer in this quote by John Donne:
Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
The world is a better place without Abdelhamid Abaaoud in it. His death does not diminish me in the slightest. As is sometimes said in Texas, "He deserved killing."
In a way, though, it would've been better to capture him alive. It's easier to extract information from a living terrorist than a dead one. I'm sure the intelligence agencies are doing their best but Abaaoud might've had time to destroy critical information before he was killed.
Another one of those "deprived Muslims" who went to private school and whose family said they wanted him dead.
Well, he is enjoying his 72 year old virgin now.
Orchestrator, not mastermind.
By AA standards, this was not successful. I mean, it was just a bunch of people in an apartment, they had them surrounded, and they killed their target rather than arresting him. Champagne? For killing a mere orchestrator? Have French standards sunk that low?
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IT will be interesting to see how much ISIS wanted to attack Paris, and how much this guy and his family wanted to attack Paris.
So Dom Perignon corks do kill.
Well now, that's taken care of.
Now Obama and the remainder of the west can stick their collective heads back in the sand.
Oh, well, everything is fine, then. Bring on 45,000 more "Syrian refugees!"
Nothing has changed, except the French gave up more civil liberties.
Kill him, debase him, and run his loved ones out of the country and seize their assets. There must be a lesson for would be terrorists that they will not go down as a glorious martyr, but as a shameful fool who harmed those around him--and for those around him to have incentive to thwart his plans.
Rather than drop random bombs in the desert, I'd like to see us put more into infiltrating these people, tracking them and taking them out. They should have to constantly fear having nowhere to be safe, and to always be hunted.
Brando said...
Kill him, debase him, and run his loved ones out of the country and seize their assets. There must be a lesson for would be terrorists that they will not go down as a glorious martyr, but as a shameful fool who harmed those around him--and for those around him to have incentive to thwart his plans.
Rather than drop random bombs in the desert, I'd like to see us put more into infiltrating these people, tracking them and taking them out. They should have to constantly fear having nowhere to be safe, and to always be hunted.
B, I often disagree with you because you are too rational, calm, moderate and nice (and I am not), but this here is some talk I'm on board with.
This celebration of a Mastermind's death is exactly what the PR that ISIL wants for recruiting the sumbags it recruits as suicide killers. The Media just don't care.
That is The Professor's opinion and also Donald Trump's opinion. The strategic smart minded agree.
The President should talk to Brando for planning advice.
"Jawad Ben Dow, the apartment’s landlord, tells how he let ‘two men from Belgium’ use it for a few days as a favour, saying: ‘A friend asked me to put up two of his friends for a few days. I said there was no mattress. ‘They told me, “It’s not a problem”.’ They just wanted water and to pray. I was asked to do a favour, I did a favour. I didn’t know they were terrorists.’"
Mao Zedong's fish.
Can we have more analysis of why we do not strike at the head or heart of this and other such organizations? I suppose whacking/turning the relevant Saudi/UAE/Qatari/etc princes is delicate, but we keep hacking at the capillaries. Training camps, whatev. At least the strike on those tanker trucks was in a sense strategic.
Oh yeah, Brando +, at least in sentiment. Tank ++
"His death does not diminish me in the slightest."
-- A world that someone wasn't this evil they needed to be killed to stop them would be a better world; in that way, it does, in someway, diminish people. But, the diminishing because of the revelation we live in a world where evil people can only be stopped through severe means is... pretty minor compared to letting those evil people keep doing evil things.
"Break out the champagne!"
The 150 dead, are their bodies cold?
There's a thousand more like him right now.
And a thousand three year olds who will become him.
The only solution is a radical and massive reformation of Islam and I don't see that happening.
Also killed was Hasna Aitboulahcen Europe’s first woman suicide bomber. Her explosive vest blew her spine into the street, Obama should be notified one is available.
"There's a thousand more like him right now.
And a thousand three year olds who will become him."
That's true, but if we eliminate enough of them quickly enough the replacements will be less intelligent, less dedicated, and have far lower morale (as well as trust for their confederates). A constant barrage of assassinations and captures (leading the remaining ones to wonder what information has been turned up, and who among them they can trust anymore) will reduce them to a far less competent, dwindling band of thugs.
Look at the German army in WWII--sure, they kept replacing their shattered divisions, but they did so with young boys and old men, lacking the training, equipment and eagerness of those early troops. And eventually, the enemy will run out. There's only so many people you can convince to give up their lives (in, hopefully, a painful, horrifying and degrading way) and jeopardize their families before you get to the real dregs.
I wish they would catch SOMEONE alive who is knowledgable, torture him for info and then kill everyone he gives up.
War is a game of numbers, attrition. As long as a few can have a 10x multipler (1 attacker dead vs 10 or more defenders dead, the act will be viewed as successful. Even if authorities find the one on the run or the "leader" of the small group, a positive feedback loop is established and others will be motivated to do something similar, aiming to achieve greater and greater multipliers.
The odds need to be switched so it take 100 attackers to get just one defender (or none), and establish a negative feedback loop. it's easier to go on the counter-attack and strike back harder, with greater tempo, and a willingness to continue until surrender is achieved.
Stopping short of surrender never ends the conflict. If they don't surrender, total and complete annihilation is required.
Poor Hillary. At this point does anyone even remember the "good week" she had?
Well, Dylan still wants the police to protect the public during his concert in Bologna
Michael McClain said...
The President should talk to Brando for planning advice.
11/19/15, 8:10 AM"
First we need a President. Pick anyone from a jury pool at random and the result will be better than Obama. Then take his advice.
Bring back the guillotine.
I am Laslo.
David Begley said...
There's a thousand more like him right now.
And a thousand three year olds who will become him.
The only solution is a radical and massive reformation of Islam and I don't see that happening.
11/19/15, 8:17 AM"
Kill three thousand and pretty soon they are either all gone or the ones that are a problem are gone and the rest give up. Bullets are cheap.
Crazy unleashed above.
The problem for anybody arguing for less than a disproportionate, overwhelming and unwavering response is that either that -- or abject surrender -- are the only options.
(Metaphor alert)
As Islamic radicalism metastasizes, the military will have to remove more healthy flesh from the patient in order to get clean lines. The problem is caused by those who argue to wait. The blood will be on their hands too.
The reality is that France is at war and this is probably a legitimate enemy action. We would have expected the same from the Germans or the Japanese, and while we would have executed any agents of either power (Italians probably would have surrendered as soon as they touched our soil) within days of catching them on our soil if they were out of uniform, we would not have considered them to have acted outside the "rules" of warfare. We would have hanged them, but it would not have been "personal."
How we got mixed up in Syria's internal affairs is the mystery I can't fathom. I thought we learned our lesson from Iraq.
While it's a pleasure to wake to news that that Belgian guy was taken out, I'm sick of the media referring to him as a "mastermind". Moriarty or Blofeld are masterminds. This guy plotted attacks that largely failed (none of the suicide bombers actually got into that stadium), and now he's DEAD. That doesn't exactly imply organizational brilliance.
Ringleader or plotter would suffice.
Meanwhile, somewhere in a Texas bathtub,
George W. Bush paints his toes...
And Hillary, John Kerry, and Obama pursued a policy of destabilizing Syria and Libya.
Ok crazy woman, what's your plan? Surrender? Relating to them? (as if there's a difference)
And the answer to your loaded, assumes-facts-not-in-evidence question (Isn't that what happened when the US lowered military recruitment standards during GWB's administration?) is No.
That said, Althouse is as bugshit crazy as you are, with her "break out the champagne!" Champagne indeed. I don't know which of you I want to slap more.
If we're not talking about the ideology of Islam, then we're not talking about the problem.
Nichevo: Can we have more analysis of why we do not strike at the head or heart of this and other such organizations? I suppose whacking/turning the relevant Saudi/UAE/Qatari/etc princes is delicate, but we keep hacking at the capillaries.
Been wondering that since around, oh, I dunno, 2001? The behavior of Western leaders sure looks like it could be plausibly explained as the product of subornation by Saudi money, doesn't it? Really peculiar how, since 2001, "our" leaders have moved from merely enthusiastically promoting and facilitating Islamisation of Western territories, to now being nastily coercive about it. While cack-handedly messing with just about every Muslim regime but the Saudis/Qataris.
Yeah, good thing we got him. Without this Islamic Julius Caesar, the enemy will be unable to execute such dastardly plans such as: Arm a dozen angry Muslims with Kalashnikovs and explosives, go to populated place, shoot until killed.
Diabolical 'mastermind', I tell you!
This is nothing more than a useless distraction, designed to promise the problem is solved when it is nothing of the sort. It's like declaring strategic victory because the 2nd Lieutenant of a particular troublesome sector of trenches has been killed. Whoopde-doo.
1. Muslims colonize
2. Some Muslims unable to hold back from expressing joy at generational demographic trend, slaughter natives.
3. Treasonous Elite Cucks (TECs) vow war with 'extremists', conduct a raid or bomb something in the desert.
4. Bubba cheers.
5. TECs note Bobby is hung over from last night's cheering of bombing of empty desert camp, quietly promise colonizers that the door is still open.
6. Rince and Repeat
BTW, I assume the headline is meant to be a riff on the Hebdo cover post? Doesn't work.
P.S. Is there some point in responding to Mary, people? She's batshit. As in, swivel-eyed, concrete-enclosed cranium batshit. And you know that.
If it was as easy as it seems to find and destroy this cell, why was it allowed to plan and execute its successful operation? Was it because Hollande knew about it but did not want to act because of the concerns of those to his left? Or was there a desire not to reveal intelligence capabilities like Churchill and Coventry? Whatever the reason, the successfulFrench raids lead me to believe that if we and our "allies" had the will (requires leadership) we could destroy ISIS in Europe and the ME.
It just goes to show what suspending the Constitution would do for America also. The French State of Emergency (a form of Martial Law) is a fantastic way to employ the millions of federal police agencies.
During an emergency, there is no time for freedom to exist. After the emergency is over, the citizens may be allowed to exercise their constitutional laws again.
Without the suspended Constitution, these guys would have escaped.
I would take the prisoners to the nearest Army base, and have them executed before the Constitution is re-started.
Right Ange. My error. Fascination of the trainwreck I suppose. If nothing else it's good to see how unhappy she is and how she's not going to get what she wants, whatever that could be as sorted from the word salad she spreads.
I would say that Bush appeared to be beginning to handle the problem. Quietly and discreetly, the only way it could be handled. Don't you remember how certain eminent Saudis were mysteriously disappearing, being found dead of exposure in the remote desert, being eaten by sharks, etc.? Not sure what put the brakes on it.
If it was as easy as it seems to find and destroy this cell, why was it allowed to plan and execute its successful operation? Was it because Hollande knew about it but did not want to act because of the concerns of those to his left?
They found a cell phone. Of course they blabbed about how they found them, but that's how. Notably, none of the terrorist's Muslim neighbors dropped a dime on them.
Crazy continues unabated.
I feel pretty sure the problem with terrorism is sorting out the wannabes from those who will act, that the wannabes create a huge cloud of "uninformation" around the real information. And Obama is probably preventing the development of the profile of the type of Moslem who will most likely act - because when he hears the word "profiling" his knee jerks and he bans it.
If Paris is a guide, then right now some of the people who are planning an attack on DC and NYC are known to law enforcement but only as names on a list, a very long list with no profiling attached. It's my understanding that the liberals don't want to live in a country where profiling is used and I guess they will get their wish right to the end. It's kind of fun to see the liberals getting borked in the colleges but this other is very sad and futile.
And, yeah. This is the bigger problem with calling this guy a "mastermind".
The idea that we've fixed the problem because the people directly related to the attack are dead.
The funds are running out for unending warfare. Think of that as you lift your glasses to the latest military success, and participate in security theater lead by the men with biceps and guns, but small brains and penises. (Do you old men even get hard by the tough talk anymore?)
11/19/15, 10:06 AM"
Yes Mary, The War On Poverty has been lost. No more welfare for you. Time to support yourself and stop being a moocher. And speaking of penises, with your nasty craziness, I doubt you have ever seen one small or big erect in your presence. Now get off your ass, get a job, support yourself and pay your share of taxes both current and back taxes or join the forces and serve as a mercenary since that is what you equate our Armed Forces to be composed of. Better you killed in the line of duty than any of them.
Blogger Sebastian said...
Orchestrator, not mastermind.
That's insulting to orchestrators, who are very talented people. Shall we say instead organizer? Community organizer?
We only back winners in my house.
What "we?" Cats don't count.
Imagine you living with another human being.
/yesyes #donotfeedthetrolls
EDH said...
Poor Hillary. At this point does anyone even remember the "good week" she had?
She does. It got her the Democratic nomination.
The Treaty of Versailles, the Peace to end all Peace.
"Notably, none of the terrorist's Muslim neighbors dropped a dime on them."
True that, though whether out of sympathy or fear is uncertain.
The lack of reporting about the reaction to the killings in the Muslim suburbs outside Paris is quite striking. Almost as if the news organizations were afraid of something.
"During an emergency, there is no time for freedom to exist. After the emergency is over, the citizens may be allowed to exercise their constitutional laws again."
You know what happens right? Any temporary encroachment on liberty becomes permanent. Your surveillance/police state feeds a bureaucracy agitating for more power and control.
No thanks.
Thanks, but I'll drink my champagne when the last Muslim who thinks it's his holy duty to kill Americans has been killed or locked away in the bowels of a prison with the key conveniently lost.
Not only was Hasna Aitboulahcen Europe’s first woman suicide bomber's spine found in the street, but her head was reportedly seen flying out of the apartment window by French Police. Her head was sent to Isis in Iraq where it was gang raped. It's a Jihad thing.
I agree with Cookie. Mary has become rational in her criticisms and not just over the top anti-Ann.
She is an interesting person now that she focuses on her targets..
In Texas we say, "He just needed killin'."
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
And how many more Abdelhamid Abaaouds are out there in the banlieus and the Molenbeeks of Europe?
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