"Hillary’s been having screaming, child-like tantrums that have left staff members in tears and unable to work,” says a campaign aide. “She thought the nomination was hers for the asking, but her mounting problems have been getting to her and she’s become shrill and, at times, even violent.”... but if I were Hillary, I'd give him a "shrill" kick out the door. What contemptible disloyalty! And "shrill" is a word too characteristic of sexism to be used by competent politicos.
But, assuming this aide exists, isn't Klein paraphrasing? No one will step up and say, you didn't quote me precisely.
Strip away the exaggerated language and there's nothing abnormal here. There's nothing wrong with Hillary getting angry and yelling. There's no detail to what she said that "left staff members in tears and unable to work." You'd think staff members would be plenty tough and able to serve as sounding boards as the candidate ventilates. As for "even violent," what does that mean? Are we talking about physical assaults? If not, don't use that word.
And, yes, I know there's a long history of stories about Hillary throwing things at Bill:
Here’s our best re-creation of how the Hillary-throwing-stuff trope emerged. It seems to have first appeared in print in late February of 1993, when the Chicago Sun-Times reported that the new first lady broke a lamp “during a heated late-night argument” at the White House with her husband. The attribution? The delicious-sounding “wicked Washington whispers.”I'm sure Klein would love to get resonance off that old junk, which at least named the object thrown. Klein's "she’s become... violent" — without more — is utter trash.
The story quickly metastasized, with Newsweek soon thereafter reporting that “Washington dinner parties were buzzing with stories of Hillary throwing — take your pick — a lamp, a briefing book or a Bible at Bill.” However, the magazine noted that there was “no evidence” to support the tales. Prevailing theories at the time had it that the source of the rumors were Secret Service agents, with whom the Clintons were thought to have testy relations.
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And "shrill" is a word too characteristic of sexism to be used by competent politicos.
God gave women the voice of a child for a reason.
You know, it might not be sexist to define her as shrill or bitchy. She comes across like that on the trail.
Would you prefer the accuser just keep quiet? Deal with an abusive employer by not doing anything? If your boss was violent towards you, I doubt you would care for somebody to say you're being "disloyal" in mentioning it.
Especially since Shrillary 2.4 has a long track record of violence towards Bill and the Secret Service detail sentenced with protecting her that has been mentioned by multiple people for years.
There's nothing wrong with Hillary getting angry and yelling.
God gave women the yell instinct for a reason.
Men have a zinger instinct.
It's a fair fight.
Klein doesn't mention sotto voce remarks either, the traditional workplace reaction if a zinger is too dangerous, say if your wife will yell at you if you get fired.
Women staffers of course cry.
You should imagine a W. C. Fields flick with W working on Hillary's staff to see the guy dynamic.
But, assuming this aide exists, isn't Klein paraphrasing? No one will step up and say, you didn't quote me precisely.
Do you have any evidence that Klein is paraphrasing? You point out why he could get away with it, but no reason to believe he did.
Strip away the exaggerated language...
Do you have evidence that the language is exaggerated?
"Do you have any evidence that Klein is paraphrasing? You point out why he could get away with it, but no reason to believe he did."
I suspect him of paraphrasing because the word choice is so clearly in the zone of a Hillary-hater (like him) and not that of someone who would be working with Hillary.
Also because there is no detail to justify the words, only the words themselves. That makes me suspicious that the actual substance can't support the words used.
Enh, female voices are higher than male, so it's easier for a woman to be "shrill." Just as it's easier for a man to "bellow." Is that "sexist" too?
Professor, shall we also redefine rape back to only involving physical violence? None of the BS that is used now? Shouldn't we also stop labeling drunken sex as rape? Verbal coercion?
Professor, stories of Hillary being vicious to other aren't exactly rare.
In one incident, Hillary berated a low-level campaign worker for making a scheduling mistake. When the girl had the nerve to turn her back on Hillary and walk away, Hillary grabbed her arm.
This is the graf following the "even violent" one. What do you think, Ann? Isn't that battery?
By the way, Happy 40th anniversary, President and Secretary Clinton (no irony intended).
So, unless there is video of Hillary! going wild, it didn't happen?
I thought we had to believe accusers...or is that only if they are women.
Reminds me of many scenes from Veep.
"So, unless there is video of Hillary! going wild, it didn't happen?"
Even if a video surfaced, it would be Edited! and Out Of Context!
For sure, campy.
Why would you come to the defense of that Harpy?
Same instinct that caused you to vote for Obama?
Aging white women gotta stick together!
Hillary is only abusive when she drinks.
The problem is she is always drunk.
People think the perpetually drunk must be obvious, slurring and wobbling, like a Hollywood cliche.
The perpetually drunk know how to act 'normal': they just will have no recollection the following day of what they may have said or done.
This leads to them not remembering the lies they tell, so more lies are needed to cover up the gaps.
If you view Hillary through the lens of 'stone drunk' her actions and words make sense.
Huma is never too far away with that bottle.
I am Laslo.
Ann screeched: "I'm sure Klein would love to get resonance off that old junk, which at least named the object thrown. Klein's "she’s become... violent" — without more — is utter trash."
Pretty sure that just a week or so ago, you stated that you never make assertions without being certain.
But there is no way you can be "sure" of Klein motives, is there?
Hillary is a vicious, lying, dishonorable person. Being shrill and violent are the least of her negatives.
Also, we thought you didn't like "yelly" or is that only in men or Republicans? I remember her literally gibbering about debate and disagree and you just ate that up!
Hillary is absolutely shrill. She is obviously well practiced, too, because you need practice to be able to scream like this extemporaneously.
Ever notice that when she gets close to being backed into a corner, she starts the verbal aggression, as in "what difference, at this point, does it make", which she repeated, in style, anyway, to Savannah Guthrie's recent tongue bath. She got Guthrie to back down by doing the same style of performance as she did with the Benghazi lies.
Yup. Hillary is shrill, and can get violent. Her head injury is making it harder for her to hold it in.
So I guess the denizens of Meadhouse will be voting for Hillary! this coming campaign season.
Hasn't so much political journalism in recent years been of this National Enquirer type of quality? So much seems to rely on "unnamed sources" who can't be verified, that reporters refuse to name, and whose motives and/or existence may be dubious at times.
This does want for examples. Assuming Hillary's staff is fairly youngish, the little snowflakes might be reduced to tears by things that the rest of us would just shrug at. Maybe campaign HQ should put up a banner that says TRIGGER WARNING - adults in the room, hard realities may be spoken in loud voices at any time!
"And "shrill" is a word too characteristic of sexism to be used by competent politicos"
Hirschman forgot to act whining to the rhetoric of reaction. Shrill=Sexist is classic reactionary feminist whine.
Sorry, AA, Hillary is often shrill. So are many other women in public life.
Of course, using the word might just be a mark of competence for a politico (or a writer assuming the voice thereof) who wants to take Shrillary down a notch and understands how much "sexist" put-downs irritate feminists of a certain age.
Althouse, a Hillary apologist.
Hillary is a Boomer. -30-
This is kind of getting old, don't you think? These unnamed sources and painting her a monster (didn't Samantha Power say that during 2008 campaign?). I hear that there are many Obots involved in her campaign. I suspect there is an ongoing sabotage from these Obama critters, like death by thousand cuts. Nothing too overt that it could be traced, but drip by drip.
Kudos to Althouse for questioning all of this.
pm317 said...
I hear that there are many Obots involved in her campaign.
Ok, fine, now can you please prove what you just said. Who did you hear this from? Are you willing to name names?
Alrighttt.. we have this to balance
Joe Biden called staff 'dumb f**ks' and plagiarized speeches during 1988 presidential campaign, book claims
AllenS, campaigns are big employment opportunities for these otherwise unemployable people and it is silly to think that those who worked on Obama's campaign are not in Hillary's.
And here you go!
In thirty years of mamanagement (Marine officer, COO of $1Billuon company, three start-ups), I've never found an occasion to "yell" at an employee. Nor have I tolerated such behavior in any of my organizations. Casually excusing this kind of bad leadership is beyond me.
Why would anyone doubt she's a harridan? Question is whether you late, love, like, dislike, tolerate, meh a harridan in the ultimate seat of power. Are harridans a likely source of good government? Even honest ones, which Hillary! is not?
Childish, shrill, violent and entitled...
As a "splooge stooge" I cannot understand why shrill is wrong.
Hillary is who she is. These accusations go back to the early nineties. The accusations of late are of the same nature of those back then. Hillary acts the way an incompetent does when raised to their Peter Principle. In the meantime I have to hear from her why was it she considered it proper to run a cabinet agency from her private email server and in light of every other country at the time having their consulates closed in Benghazi why ours was opened (in an unsecured building) with our ambassador present as this is something she would have direct knowledge of as SoS. I would like her explanation of why a filmmaker was arrested and imprisoned as a scapegoat. Why she she is denouncing her presumed signature accomplishment trade deal. And how is that reset with Russia doing? Everything she touches turns to shit.
I would like to know why our hostess seems to support this singularly unqualified woman and why she shills for her. If one is going to advocate for having a woman as president lets not make the same mistake as was done with Obama. First find a qualified person for the job.
" the word choice is so clearly in the zone of a Hillary-hater (like him) "
There are two books about the behavior of Hillary Clinton. I suggest you read one of both of them.
One OR both of them.
Grabbed an employee's arm when she tried to walk away? Yeah, she's got the right temperament for the nuclear football.
But, Vagina Power!
There's nothing wrong with Hillary getting angry and yelling. There's no detail to what she said that "left staff members in tears and unable to work."
@Althouse, do you regard the presidency as a low-stress job? It seems to me that "throwing child-like temper tantrums" is not what I'd want a president to be doing when the shit's on the fan blades. Do you want a person in the presidency who either (1) reduces tough people to tears to the point where they can't do their job, or (2) hires people who can't suck it up when the going gets tough in the first place?
Professor, you seem to keep coming back to the point that Klein doesn't much like Hillary (he is not without company!). But that has nothing to do with whether what he says is true, does it? If the stories are true you wouldn't expect a Hillary aficionado to report them, would you? If the stories lack a kernel of truth, would Klein risk reporting them?
@Althouse, PS. Get used to the phrase "President Fiorina."
"In thirty years of mamanagement (Marine officer, COO of $1Billuon company, three start-ups), I've never found an occasion to "yell" at an employee. Nor have I tolerated such behavior in any of my organizations. Casually excusing this kind of bad leadership is beyond me."
Bravo, Rob Parrish. The old saw is, "People call authoritative female bosses bitchy for behavior that would be admired in a male boss."
NO. Abusive, bullying behavior, yelling and insulting people or bringing them to tears, is contemptible behavior in any executive of either gender, and betrays that the bullying executive is either, (1) incompetent, or (2) a bully and a creep who enjoys using authority to terrorize others, or, (3) both.
Cookie, you have me agreeing with you again. Now cut that out!!!
RC @ 1.18 that's right but come next November if she is the candidate will you be voting against her?
I agree "shrill" is sexist, by virtue of invoking childish or infantilized timbre. The "Old Battle-axe," on the other hand...
What Democrats objected in 2008 when then Senate Majority Leader and Democrat Harry Reid called Palin "shrill?"
Looking for names, thanks.
Big Mike said...
@Althouse, PS. Get used to the phrase "President Fiorina."
Carson is doing better at the moment IMO. He is throwing historical perspective at the left which is garlic to a vampire. I could see some combination of them on the ticket.
"In one incident, Hillary berated a low-level campaign worker for making a scheduling mistake. When the girl had the nerve to turn her back on Hillary and walk away, Hillary grabbed her arm."
OK, in Ideal World, you don't grab the jerk's hand. But the low-level punk, who likely was the source of the leak, gave near likely future POTUS the back of her hand. Oh, goodness, get someone else fast.
Hillary is lucky the aide was less aggressive than some. I have heard rumor of people objecting to batteries with some deterrent force.
"As for "even violent," what does that mean? Are we talking about physical assaults? If not, don't use that word."
Is physical contact the only measure of violence? If someone was arguing with you, yelling and threatening, and they tore a cabinet door off and started smashing up the kitchen, would that be characterized as violent?
Ann Althouese said...I suspect him of paraphrasing because the word choice is so clearly in the zone of a Hillary-hater (like him) and not that of someone who would be working with Hillary.
Only true if your assume 1.)everyone who works with Hillary does so voluntarily and 2.)people can't simultaneously be Hillary-haters and work for her (Washington DC power is a hell of a drug).
Look, anyone making vague, impossible-to-prove assertions of violence against Hillary has the RIGHT TO BE BELIEVED, people. Get with the damn program.
Shrillary!
It's pretty evident she is a poor manager.
I didn't hear our host screaming disloyalty when the bozos on McCain's campaign staff trashed Sarah Palin.
Should we be suspicious of stories of this nature?
An unnamed person has said that a politician is falling apart. Yes we should be suspicious of the story. The thing that makes the story a little weird and maybe true is that the "violence" alleged is grabbing someone's arm as they turn away. Yes, grabbing an arm is unusual. When things go wrong at work the usual is to turn sharply away and confer with your close associates on how to make the other one look bad to the boss. But to me it seems that 'grabbing an arm' is not violence except in Special Snowflake land.
Campaign aides are and always will be more loyal to themselves and their careers than to any candidate. Which is why they want to work for winners and despise working for losers.
So, the real story here is: the reason why Hillary's campaign workers are dissing her now is because they increasingly see her as a loser. When a campaign starts to crater, campaign aides suddenly want to be very, very clear that it is the candidate who is faulty, not the campaign's paid staff.
"if I were Hillary, I'd give him a "shrill" kick out the door. What contemptible disloyalty! And "shrill" is a word too characteristic of sexism to be used by competent politicos."
"him"? Is that specified?
"There's nothing wrong with Hillary getting angry and yelling."
Yes, there is. Ms "3 AM phone call" is selling herself on her ability to respond to problems. But if her response is to get angry and yell at the person calling her, rather than buckling down and working to solve the problem, then she's not the proper person to be taking that call.
Now, if she's yelling at people for screwing up, that's one thing. but she's not losing because of her aides, she's losing because of her. Her inability to face that, and her willingness to scapegoat and attack others for her failings, is a good chunk of why she's losing.
If Walker had been screaming at aides in the weeks leading up to his dropping out, it would have been reported, and he would have been, rightly, criticized for it.
I see no reason why Hillary should be able to get away with it.
Really nothing surprising here about Shrillary.
What's interesting is Ann's assumption that the sourced aid that used the term shrill is male.
In actuality, the only the reference to gender of an aid was..
"In one incident, Hillary berated a low-level campaign worker for making a scheduling mistake. When the girl had the nerve to turn her back on Hillary and walk away, Hillary grabbed her arm."
Hey! War on women!
So..
In this episode of Altparse, if we are to believe she's sincere, she exhibits the sexism she aims to call out.
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