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47 comments:
On the other hand, those few women who did use it must have been very, very active!
Yeah, 12,000 women could have a field day with 31,000,000 men.
If it was such a buyer's market for women, why didn't more women go in?
What a radical demonstration of the difference between men and women!
The mass of men . . .
So, it was a cheating fantasy website rather than a cheating website...that's the ticket!
And, yet, you can't see how this applies to gay men, what it means about the AIDS epidemic and why gay men belong in the closet.
....and this is a surprise?
What kind of dork thinks that he's going to find casual sex on the internet, and not pay the woman?
What kind of woman has to advertise for casual sex?
She can go to the neighborhood bar, and find plenty of willing males!
@Althouse, men and women are in some ways different? Whoa! When did that happen? How come I missed the memo?
"What kind of woman has to advertise for casual sex? She can go to the neighborhood bar, and find plenty of willing males!"
Not every woman wants to go to a bar. Also, if you're married, you might want to avoid being seen looking.
Supposedly, on-line dating is replacing going out. You seem to be assuming that it's easier to go to a bar and find someone to have sex with than it is to find someone on a website.
This is completely unsurprising.
Nudge, nudge, say no more!
https://youtu.be/SrDFGa0juCM
@Big Mike. I didn't say this is the first time I'm noticing this. I said it's a radical demonstration of the difference... very extreme evidence of it.
The most extreme evidence, in my view, is the business of prostitution. Why, with something that ideally is mutually pleasurable, is there an exchange of money that goes nearly always from the man to the woman? The disparity is extreme.
I didn't realize it was a community site, like Match etc etc.
I thought it was just a site that acted as the pimp for above-scale hookers.
Which means there still is a business opportunity.
I am Laslo.
I didn't realize it was a community site, like Match etc etc.
I thought it was just a site that acted as the pimp for above-scale hookers.
Which means there still is a business opportunity.
I am Laslo.
Not every woman wants to go to a bar. Also, if you're married, you might want to avoid being seen looking.
Granted, but the point is that if all they want is no-strings-attached free casual sex, women have many more and easier options than men in getting it. That dynamic does seem to change a bit if they're looking for something "genuine" and long-term/permanent and especially as they get older, or at least the demographics of eHarmony and cruise ships seem to suggest, anyway.
@madAsHell
No surprise here, I've always believed that any reasonably attractive woman interested in casual sex can find it very easily, without even looking. OTOH, women of my age apparently are desperate for committed sex, I have 3 friends that are very attractive and cannot even land a decent date on any popular site, and if they did, 2 of them would probably put out. Hasn't happened yet. I'm scratching my head about this, and about the mystery of men and women.
AM was a genius of marketing, that's all that needs to be said.
Ann Althouse said...
"What kind of woman has to advertise for casual sex? She can go to the neighborhood bar, and find plenty of willing males!"
Not every woman wants to go to a bar. Also, if you're married, you might want to avoid being seen looking.
Supposedly, on-line dating is replacing going out. You seem to be assuming that it's easier to go to a bar and find someone to have sex with than it is to find someone on a website.
8/26/15, 8:33 PM"
The obvious tip off was that woman didn't pay. Its a form of ladies night to get the men in and pay. If the service had any actual value to woman they wouldn't have been allowed in for free.
Hey Perfesser!
Gay men play in one another's shit!
They kill themselves and the rest of us with this behavior. (Remember AIDS?)
There is no brake in a sexual relationship between men. It's not like heteros. Women say "No!"
The stereotype of gay men is true. They fuck everything that has a hole in it. They get shit on their dicks and cause massive public health epidemics. They fuck every piece of "chicken" they can find.
They're not going to become Ozzie and Harriet because we call them "married."
Gays belong in the closet. What a fucking mess you've made. This has all happened before in human history.
The idle, over paid, over stuffed Mandarin class always adopts faggotry as a class marker.
You are the gatekeeper to the Mandarin class. You're just as corrupt, decadent and obsessed with class markers as Mandarins have always been. You're really fucked up and depraved.
You're not a outsider representing an oppressed class. You're a corrupt, rich oppressor flaunting faggotry as a class marker.
Why did so many men sign up for a fantasy? Who knew that men were so imaginative.........While dating a carbon based life form, it was always a challenge to live up to the specs of the fantasy object one pretended to be. There was always that suspense of who could hold the mask up the longest. Maybe Ashley Madison offered the ideal relationship. You never had to worry about mussing your comb over with an Ashley Madison woman. I've heard that most of the women on Ashley Madison are porn stars who find non commercial transactions with men of average builds a refreshing change of pace.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
@Big Mike. I didn't say this is the first time I'm noticing this. I said it's a radical demonstration of the difference... very extreme evidence of it.
The most extreme evidence, in my view, is the business of prostitution. Why, with something that ideally is mutually pleasurable, is there an exchange of money that goes nearly always from the man to the woman? The disparity is extreme.
But, but, but, equality!
I remember when I first went out in public with a big rock on my ring finger.
I was quickly made aware of the world of "cheatin' married folks" at a street level. They were everywhere - the post office, Home Depot, the dealer auto repair. They had not been there before, or rather it was a different selection. This bunch seemed to be reacting to the ring as a prerequisite - maybe as a safeguard of some type.
A bunch of men willing to pay money to hook up. Who knew?
Virtually all the ashleymadison women were fakes? The site couldn't even attract hookers?
My God that is pitiful. They made like $140 million in revenue last year. How many of the male memberships were zombie users? Guys who signed up thinking that they were onto some hot stuff, paid a fee, looked around, and never came back?
So, if there were only a few active female users, who were the millions of males actively pursuing?
Those were some hard working sex workers. Or both male and female members were mostly fake.
This reminds me of Planned Parenthood and their claim that the human babies were mostly fake (e.g. fetus, clump of cells, lucrative body parts).
"I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times."
I think a woman looking to have an affair is going to utilize the opportunities that present themselves as she goes about her daily life. She doesn't really need to spend time trying to find it on a website where the available candidates probably aren't all that desirable anyway. Too risky, not just because of the privacy concern but also the security fear, hooking up with some psycho. Not worth it. This is assuming she doesn't just do the easiest thing in the first place which is call up an old boyfriend, preferably one who's in a committed relationship himself.
Another cross check that could be done: look for female accounts with all data the same except for name and location. The likes, dislikes, etc. could be created once, then dropped in to every city in the world with random names appropriate for the location. Saves a lot of effort.
Which means there still is a business opportunity.
Uber for hookers. Gig economy!
Also, who needs a pimp when you have an app and control access and fees and get a contact/contract with your john?
It's kind of ironic that ST has become the new Crack.
It's kind of ironic that ST has become the new Crack.
Funny you should say that. Blacks almost unanimously reject Althouse's fag hagdom as a peculiar status token among pinhead white intellectuals.
I seldom read the goofy Perfesser's blog any more. When I do, I like to check whether she has yet acknowledged the offense against the public weal committed by gay men... that is unleashing an epidemic upon the world that has taken tens of millions of innocent lives.
This is the disastrous offense against the public good that occurred in our lifetime.
The nutty Perfesser continues to ignore this for the obvious reasons... her son and her perverse fag hag obsession.
She suffers from Brain in a Jar syndrome. Ideology, theory, and pettifoggery matter. Reality doesn't.
Plus she wants to re-run the 60s and pretend she's Suze walking down the street with Bobby in the Village.
It's sick shit.
Waiting For Godot To Get Me Off
I think the interesting statistic is how many computer illiterate people there are.
You can't know how the database is configured or mis-configured. Even the government has lost hundreds of millions of account data.
When it comes to computers and databases, you better have a game plan.
It's very easy to get a disposable Visa, Cell Phone, and Gmail account. Why would people not use that?
Shouting Thomas said...It's sick shit.
Don't you ever get dizzy being up so high on that horse?
Why would any woman want another woman's problem?
fake voyeurism.
Isn't that most online sites? A very small percent of women and a lot of men?
Well, I should own up to my seven fake female logins on that site. One was a lesbian; another was a shman.
Thanks Renee, you made my morning.
What a radical demonstration of the difference between men and women!
The question is, why do feminists willfully ignore this difference?
The only way to square this evidence with feminist ideology is to posit that the cultural taboo is so strongly engrained that women don't tend to feel that it's ok to seek sexual satisfaction. For the numbers to be this disparate though, it's almost impossible to believe that it's all due to cultural indoctrination, especially since this was a situation where the users thought that their privacy would be protected.
n.n said...
So, if there were only a few active female users, who were the millions of males actively pursuing?
It wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that Ashley Madison has the equivalent of a call center in India, full of people paid to flirt in online chats with male customers. Lead them on, string them along, keep them paying the subscription fee. But of course never agree to actually meet with them.
I haven't looked that closely at the details of the release of the database. Are we certain that the released database hasn't been purged by the hackers of most or all of the female members of the site? I understand from some of the comments here that women didn't have to pay to be members of the site. Are we certain that the data dump by the hackers wasn't limited to individuals who had paid something, and thus would exclude most of the female members?
Men are different than women, am I right?
Apologies if anyone else has made this point above. I don't have the patience at the moment to wade through the comments. Let me throw out a guess: women signed up for the site hoping to find some intriguing Christian Grey type who would tart up their flaccid sex lives and rescue them from their boring, mundane day-to-day drudgery; and men were looking for a fuckbuddy.
@Althouse, I hope you realize I was being facetious.
@Ann Althouse:
"Why, with something that ideally is mutually pleasurable, is there an exchange of money that goes nearly always from the man to the woman? The disparity is extreme."
Forget prostitution. Where are the straight bathhouses?
Thirty million defective men discovered, women remain perfect.
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